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>> into the amanpour hour. he is where we're headed this week, less than a month before america heads to the polls, the new york times, mark landler, and bloomberg, stephanie slanders, join me to discuss how disinformation from abroad and within is shaping the election, then to know catherine really >> the truth disclaimer, a psychological thriller starring cate blanchett. i sit down with the legendary actress and the director, oscar winner alfonso caron, plus, i will fight until i win against his people the fight against gender, apartheid, how an afghan woman living in exile in paris practices taekwondo to assert her autonomy and finally, world war ii through a child's eyes
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oscar-winning directors steve mcqueen joins me to discuss his new film, blitz everyone, i'm christiane amanpour in london it's probably no exaggeration to say that practically the entire world is looking at the u.s election now, less than a month away right the sitting president and incumbent democratic candidate made the unprecedented move of stepping aside. >> history was then made with the first woman of color replacing him on the national ticket. the republican nominee and former president survived an assassination attempts and contributed mightily to the deluge of disinformation thrown at america i can voters from every direction. it comes from the depths of social media and online from inside america and from enemies oversees the polling is so tied that predictions at this point might be a fool's errand now, democrats are showing signs. they're anxious about the outcome in key swing states with me to discuss the race and
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how disinformation is shaping it. a journalist, stephanie flanders, head of economics and politics and bloomberg and mark landler, the london bureau chief for the new york times. welcome both of you back to the program so first of all, the atmospherics i'm right. right. i mean, everybody asked me they must all ask you as americans, who's going to win the election yes. >> and i'm glad you said fool's errand a moment ago because that's what we're mostly asked to do, which is offer prediction. and at this point, it seems crazy to do so as you said, everything is such a razor's edge. and what you think it's going to happen bears a lot on what you think the polling is showing or failing to show. so i think the best answers to say you're not in the crystal ball business and stephanie, just for our american views why is it that everybody overseas is also looking at this so closely and literally minute by minute. >> i mean, it is always the case, right? that this is the most important election well, this the biggest economy in the world. the leader on the global
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stage with particularly with so many major conflagrations at the moment where the and consequences for this election, for policy in ukraine in the middle east, in china, i think that is sort of intensified the focus and its part says the the fact that it's just so close all these, all the things that you listed in your intro, all these dramatic things that have happened have not changed the polls. and i think people are also just as a sort of anthropological spectacle. they can't take their eyes away from the river logical spreads guy like that. let's go to the heart of what we're trying to figure out. and that is disinformation. again, it was the case it's in 2016. it's been the case pretty much ever since to some degree. can i just read out a list of disinformation over just the hurricane, which also has been a big international story. hurricane milton. and before that, helene so basically over trump's narrative is that biden response was incompetent and federal assistance had run
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out he accused the democrats of basically ignoring republican areas. he accused them of funneling fema assistance money to migrants and immigrants falsely claimed that the georgia governor couldn't reach president biden during the crisis and on and on and on falsely claimed that government only offered $750 to those who lost homes and of course this is all being amplified on by his minions and his supporters, but also by very important sectors of social media like x is this different than what we've seen in the past when you look at the amount of disinformation and the new york times is writing about it a lot how would you analyze the impact? >> well, is it different know, in the sense that in a couple of election cycles now, we've seen social media used as a kind of a channel for disinformation i think with each succeeding cycle, as the types of social media and their
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use, our amplified, it becomes more and more potentially disruptive. the hurricanes are very good example of this. so here we are less than a month away. and these very destructive storms go through key swing states. i mean, that's the important thing to remember it's north carolina and georgia that we're talking about. florida to a lesser extent. and we're also talking about an area or emergency management that has long been a difficult area in the us going back famously to the case of hurricane katrina. and themis very shaky early response to that so this this is where social work, this time has done very well and it has done very well. but they're playing to a kind of a legacy of a credibility problem that has no bearing on today's fema. and what fema is doing, which by all accounts has been very effective and when you're at the point right now where the polls are within the margin of error in georgia and in north carolina shifting a few people and making a few more people
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think the federal government is not coming through, is very damaging as ever. >> it is also a trump aspect of this. i mean, the uniqueness of him as a candidate. it isn't just surrogates who are going out. it's not just sort of influences and shady forces on social media who are propagating the misinformation. it's donald trump on the stump saying these things and he's got good reason for it. so he has he feels he has a track record of doing this and he has doubled down to such extent you have this extraordinary thing of the president himself calling him out in the press conference earlier this week yes. >> exactly. before we go to a break and talk about some other issue excuse this is also something that is being used very significantly by various dictators in the world in terms of in the philippines, you remember under duterte are in myanmar, under the hunter, et cetera, using social media as the only news outlet and too often, violent ends. >> those who are in the firing line of a lot of example in
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taiwan, people who've kind of learned to deal with china, chinese misinformation there. and they say disinformation. it is all about pre inoculating the population, having them be suspicious, having them questioned things not always believed, things the problem with this is you do want them to be have trusted ways of communicating with people in a life-threatening situation in the hurricane. so if you've if if everything is distrusted, that can't be an answer either because fema and others can't get through to people when you really need that message to be believed it really has a massive impact on leadership. and we'll come back with more stephanie and mark don't go away. when we come back after a break, part two of this conversation will talk about some of the main issues for voters ahead and for overseas observers and asked questions like, what does a comedy show doing on cnn too much i want donald now, can you slice that he got news for
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targets candidates in both parties. iran apparently opposed this is trump's reelection and cuba apparently is likely to mount a campaign in favor of any candidate who'd be more supportive of lifting those sanctions. what do some of these influence operations look like? >> well, what's interesting about them is to some extent what they're not, they're not an attempt to actually interfere with the voting count. the vote count running process. i think a lot of these foreign governments have decided that's too difficult. it's, it's controlled largely by local authorities. so trying to infiltrate that process is perhaps not worth the effort, but i think what they have concluded is if they can get out enough message that raises questions about voting irregularities, you so dissent division in the society, which is a fundamental goal of any disinformation campaign. and as you say, you do it in the service of one candidate or another, and it's actually a fascinating way to look at the issues and in a perverse way by which government is most
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interested in helping which candidate presumably iran on supports kamala harris because they assume that a president donald trump, who after all ordered the assassination of a senior iranian general would be tougher on them, perhaps than she pulled out of that deal out of the nuclear deal. and then likewise, the russians might feel that donald trump would force the ukrainians to go to the negotiating table with the russians in a way that kamala harris presumably wouldn't. >> and that leads me to something i want to ask you. i mean, i think it was written about in the time is maybe elsewhere as well, but in terms of foreign policy, we know where the democrats stand on ukraine. they want to support ukraine's right to defend itself and they don't want russia to win. trump is much more big us on this. there was an article saying that trump had developed his views on ukraine and zelenskyy through conversations with putin in more generally, i think it foreign policy is the area where this debate about who will be most influencing president trump if he's
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reelected in the white house house becomes most acute because you tend to hear a senior republican say, even now, well, there will be gripped guard rails when it comes to foreign policy. there will be grownups in the room and others saying, hang on a minute. all those grownups have gone, none of them are supporting him anymore. actually, this could be a question of who is last talk to even members of his family? so i think the lack of clarity there is extraordinary because you are journalist and expert on economics. it's still a case in the united states that trump does do better by a longshot with the voters on the issue of a strong economy. well, it is interesting that's one things i think had, had heartened the democrats over the last month or so, last couple of months is the narrowing of that gap. >> it is true. i think he's still in swing-state polls. he's narrowly in the lead still on the economy, but that gap is pretty almost disappeared in many places. and of course now we've had quite a big interest rate cut from
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the federal reserve central bank. and some pretty good jobs numbers recently. their hope i guess would be that will start coming through in the polls. but actually, as you know we're actually seeing the opposite. if anything, we're seeing those polls continue to be extremely tight. and kamala harris, actually, if anything, losing her lead in some of those swing states so perhaps that the connection between them those two in the polls, or maybe in the way the polls are done or others, it's just not coming through and finally, again, on foreign policy and donald trump's tendency to fabricate me. let's face it, he said in an interview that he had been to gaza which she hasn't been to gaza. >> right? >> the times wrote a very, very interesting article about the evidence diminishing of his memory. >> well, that that does raise an interesting question, which is, does donald trump genuinely believed he was in gaza? or is he just simply misspeaking that raises a question which are news paper has raised in the last few weeks about whether
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his cognitive abilities are in decline and he simply forgetting things conflating, things confusing things and, you know, and that's interesting because those were the very charges allegations observations that led joe biden to eventually yield to the wishes of him as party and withdraw from the race. so if that becomes a big topic in the final month in such a close race, it's possible that plays into people's final decision as well, is really fascinating. >> mark landler, stephanie flanders, as always, thank you very much. thank you. >> coming up, disclaimer. she is the oscar-winning movie star he is the oscar-winning director behind roma and gravity. together, they've teamed up for an extraordinary news psychological thriller i the man's hands of here with a bookie has written you harassed me britain didn't threatening
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people in america, were watching and then the next day, our world change murphy has baby quilt well as cow bones coming out episodes says to the world, it's okay to be gay. george bush does not care about black people never thought something that i wrote with me too. >> the culture ward, you didn't shoot back like this and watch you sound like tv on the edge, moments that shaped our culture tomorrow at nine on cnn close captioning brought to you by mesobook.com if you or a loved one have neizha helium up, we'll send you a free book to answer questions you may have called now and will come to you 808 to one-fourth thousand else in the hobbit. >> and lord of the rings to a world renowned conductor in tar, the award-winning actress cate blanchett, is known for
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taking on a range of remarkable roles with stunning success now, she's stepping begin to a psychological thriller, starring in alfonso quarante, new apple tv plus series disclaimer blanchett plays a celebrated journalist who's paused, catches up with her when she finds herself the subject of a tell-all book. and the disclaimer of my own, i make a cameo appearance in the first episode presenting blanche she has character with an award before this multilayered mystery starts revealing itself from ladies and gentlemen and an inspiration to us all catherine records, crime parts of yourself from the world to a beacon of truth
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somebody who ends i asked me every, everyday, you keep everyone in the dye to maintain a balance and do you think you have succeeded? i sat down with kate blanchette and alfonso koran here in london to talk about bringing this suspense to life kate blanchett, alfonso koran, welcome to the program this is an extraordinary movie. i'm going to say movie because that's, i think how you did. just tell me what it was like shooting what i think you've described as seven different movies. there's so long, so complex, you had never done a tv series, ever. never, and never again series, not to call it episodes. >> it is chapters of what looks to me like a movie. it's like an alfonso khurram moving well, i think it's up to the viewer to decide what, how they want
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to call it the fact is that i have never done television. >> i don't know how to make television, and i'm not saying it would pride, i think is a skill that i don't have. you know, there's a certain skill to shoot very fast and let go. you know, i don't think that that's in my in my dna. >> this took a long time. >> i saw it took a long time and full disclosure. >> i'm just going to say i was very proud to be playing myself do that fellow and this is what i said at the beginning. be aware of narrative and form their power can bring us closer to the truth, but they can also be a weapon with a greater power to manipulate what a, we, the viewers meant to take from that, that speech, because it's not obvious, it's not obvious. you know, until much later well the, the, the program is called disclaimer and it is a disclaimer of sorts
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and i think that we're where we're living in it's, it wants to cliche in a post post-truth world. and that we're very concerned with. there's many wars going on around the world right now, many conflicts, but i think the conflict that's not discussed is the conflict of a narrative and who gets to control that narrative? and it's this sort of, this quest of all war to have a simple truth. and it's saying, in you're coming out of your mouth at the very beginning that things are not what they seem but it's and you're going to be told a story in a way that perhaps you're not entirely in control of when we do think and demand to be in control of our own narrative, but also more importantly, the narratives that we create of ourselves narratives are hiding a deeper truth everything is constructed. now,
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there are many, many, many, many clue or gloves throughout the whole, the whole, the whole, the whole you watch it for the second time it has a complete different a complete different reading we're holding includes. actually there was kate's concern from the get-go not that we withhold anything, not to cheat in other words, is more about not to mislead or not to mislead. the audience. >> so let's now talk about just the story itself. and there are these constant flashbacks where you as a young person, young woman on holiday with your child basically having a fair with a much younger boy then you get this book given to you that then reveals a whole story about
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what happened and it's kind of like a revenge book. tell us the story. >> well, at the heart of a heart of the series is a book called the perfect stranger, a pulpy, self-published book that is delivered to my character in episode one. and it's describes an event from someone else's perspective of what went on in italy. and we want your witness is what you're referring to before. it's my character doesn't really doesn't speak, can't unpack it by herself, but also is not given the chance to speak, which i think often happens to women. >> there's a lot of sex in the film. how do you feel about it? because it's your character basically, i, when i first read the script i throw it across the room and kordofan. >> so when i said there's a lot of sex in this to be need that much talking through it and the way you so meticulous about how you plotted the many strands of the drama is that i realized it was to place the audience in a very powerful, memorable relationship to that, to their own sense of what was enough to
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what their own sense of what was, what desire was, and also to really get locked into a very male point of view. very early on in relationship to that sex. >> in the first half, essentially, you are well and truly canceled. >> you're career is practically crumbling because of this book that's landed and everybody's lab very today thing, right? >> the idea of instant judgment and that's what this film is about as well. >> i mean, it's what i think is really interesting about the way you framed that on the day when we shot it is what happens in the office is almost like a nightmare. you know, it's it's it's a heightened state that it because at the suddenly everyone in the office turns around and so you've gone beyond naturalism because that whole experience of a minute's silence, old-fashioned now, but cancel culture is a very
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unnatural experienced that people you don't know outside your framework you might not know all the details of things have happened or form quick and easy judgments as a pack now, i have a very clear moral compass and i believe that there are certain things that you cannot transgress, but it's also we don't need to get all the facts together or actually we've lost faith in our judicial system. so there's all these other structures that we could find a sense of collective justice that we no longer have. so we have packed jam justice and i think vengeance is an retribution there are understandable, but they're very different things to actually what i think is what at the heart of justice and cancel culture has an energy of vengeance we did that interview in the churchill swede of the old war office here in london. now a hotel. we'll bring you more of our conversation when they tell me about the power of truth. after the break
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and the power of truth and lies the story was based on the perfect stranger which is the book in the film that landed in catherine's lab it was written by the mother of the deceased young man who drowned how did she know the story what was it based on? >> well, she she went to she went to the place where it happened to retrieve the sun, her son's corpse and et right after he died. >> so he she knew the places, she knew the places and there was already the information that catherine ravens croft was the person who was there i'm pretty much then where you're watching the one you experience
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of that novel is the point of view of nancy, the mother of the mother right? >> excellent. let's that is incredible. >> ways and it, but they sow she is either she wrote that novel as an act of catharsis as son, as an act of anger or as or as an act of of hope for certain retribution. >> that in many ways is irrelevant one more time, what matters is the judgment that everybody is taken based upon a book. she's reconstructing a reality based upon just a few facts that on some photographs,
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photographs i mean, as a mother of three boys, it's a big moment. >> you were a mother? >> yes, i am. yes. it's a big moment when you're when your son enters into a sexual relationship with someone else? so for her to find those photographs, it's a very confronting moment for a sum that she hasn't she's very, very enmeshed with and those photographs become a hand grenade that she obviously hasn't processed herself or hasn't had has transposed her own layer of meaning onto those photographs. i mean, we think we're so visually literate but i often wonder that people can read a photograph properly or don't take. now with ai, i'm in photographs have been there there there there's being bastions of truth it's been eroded even further. but the photographs are a real hand grenade and they keep coming back and being reframed in different ways. and of course, they made an entirely different thing to catherine than they do to nancy also because all of that is a projection of the
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relationship that that man's he had with jonathan, her son that there's there's a very strange relationship that we'll be unfolding as you, as you watch. well, honestly, there's so much more i could ask you, but this is such a complex story and such an amazing ensemble and such a reveal that we're just going to leave it there. >> and thank you for keeping that, especially saying this stuff, amount because we needed that voice. we needed a voice that was sexy >> to be a voice of credibility that from the get-go states, what you're doing is warning the audience of what they are going to see and you don't realize it, but yes, but yes, you do. >> it it's really great. i was glad to be part of it a little part of it. alfonso qur'an cate
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>> any wednesday they dynamite live on tbs after 91123 years ago this week, us led forces invaded afghanistan. >> they quickly toppled the taliban for harboring al-qaeda leaders who had planned the attack and while a new us backed government brought massive change to the country, especially for women they continue you to struggle hard to achieve real freedoms. i witnessed this during one of many reporting trips they're among the many women and girls i met about a year after the taliban was overthrown one of the most memorable was 10-year-old pi k who had been sold to a 45-year-old man who already had another wife. take a look. >> why did you get married so young our family was bankrupt
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so to pay back debts, my father alford me to the man we owed money what did you think when you understood that your father was giving you to this man? to pay off his debt. has largely in political buzzer. >> i was very sad, but i couldn't do anything. >> pecker. does your husband tried to have children with you? >> owe yes. >> have you ever understood happiness? have you ever known happiness? >> know although the chief justice presiding here over the supreme court says selling young girls is a serious crime. >> it's actually on the rise as family's struggle to survive what's happened to these people after this 23 years or four. and the poverty, they really selling their daughters. this is not legal. >> but what they do, it's a kind of tradition so that the government is not really in a
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position to enter phage because we still have a lot of people who think the way the taliban i mean, i was thinking and the faces only change everyone we talk to says only time and education will bring real rights for afghanistan's women and nowhere is that more keenly felt than among girls who are now allowed to go to school and that education did work. but after 20 years of regaining some of those rights, it's all gone backwards again since returning to power when the u.s. unilaterally pulled out just over three years ago. the taliban has again erased women from the public sphere. no school past the age of 12, no work, no playing sports are going to the park if you're female even speaking allowed in public is now being banned. and while a small number of afghan women have managed to escape and leave it all behind even in exile, even on the streets of paris, threats and misogyny
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continue to follow them. but as this cnn report shows, some of these brave women like taekwondo athletes, masia humde or not willing to back down. not yet. >> i will cut your head up you have your location. we will share it for the highest bidder. they are so angry and they are hating me champion from afghanistan. now, i'm an athlete in exile in harris afghanistan is not easy for a woman to take on the was a way to fill that. >> i have some power taliban took power in kabul they announced that women are not allowed to use sport and they cannot even go to school and they officially ban everything for a woman. for me,
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it was not possible to stay hey, in afghanistan anymore hard it's beautiful paris every day. >> i was stressing and thinking that okay. how i can help my family, my people, my country, even sometimes i feel guilty. that's why and here, that they are millions woman, there that are suffering. so i launched my hashtag, lets us exists. >> i mean, waiting all of you to join me with afghan journalist he asked me about the cricket national team of afghanistan as a woman, i cannot represent my country. i have to compute as a refugee, but they can easily come to the international competitions represents afghanistan. and i say that, no, you're not representing me. and people like me, there are normalizing taller ban the day after i
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receive calls, you have to stop talking about the cricket team. i could feel that he's ready to kill me because he was so angry then i received like, nonstop costs, more than 5,000 calls and messages. if i find you, i will make you in pieces. i suppose, too. be safe here but i'm facing with the same people that i was facing in afghanistan and i have to fight with them again, they called me from france, germany, uk, bush, and netherland like everywhere, everywhere. i changed my home and i'm under the police protection all the time ready, to be like attack by someone i don't think we can find a safe place for afghanistan woman, especially a woman who i can't against terrorist. >> but i will fight until i win against these people and i hope
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that's pier the poll, they wake up and they see that there is a country binar of afghanistan and woman are suffering mars. >> you hamdi in her own words, raising awareness about the suffering and that is what she and other brave afghan women like her are trying to do all the time. and just to note, cnn has reached out to the afghans national cricket team for comment on this report. when we come back, blitz, a story of war, race, and ultimately love through the eyes of a mother and son. i speak to british film director, oscar winner steve mcqueen about finally showcasing diversity in his new world war ii film. that's after a break you covered, no matter the question from more about the candidates to rules in your state, to casting your ballot the cnn voter handbook has your answers. >> visit cnn.com slash vote for
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>> parents whose children have been evacuated and for my boy job, it is also above all a story about a mother and her son, about the children. mcqueen is known for grappling with important periods of history from 12 years a slave and small acts to shame and hunger this project is no different. here's what he hopes we take away from the film that follows a mother and son separated by war played by saoirse ronen and elliot heffernan i want to focus on the people on the ground. i think that in usually would war films people make decisions and people have to sort of seem to have to survive because of decisions and i wanted to focus on on you know, on the normal people while is left behind. robin, the soldiers and so forth. >> so this centers around a mother and her boy elliot how to deal with who george was at
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that time and sort of racism itself, whether what was going on at a time when he steps inside actual segregation. that's going on in one of those underground shelter? >> yes. was a story this i took from an actual an actual an actual story would actually happened where if they would, which means love it, everyone has to confront racism within an airway shows where people are sharing a space of safety and people within that safe spaces, of safety, people stopped putting up barriers and divisions. and he says, this is not happening here. tear it down. we are all here to be one. we're and we have to set an example because of what's happening above us is someone trying to sort of set another example for us. and if you don't like it, you have to leave. >> what do you want the impact of this particular film to be what do you hope it is? >> i think it's going to say, but it's about love and it's the only thing i'll just say it sounds a bit weird, but no,
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it's not worried at all. i'm very proud to say that because it's one thing worth dying for and bringing wealth living for. that's it. there's no all this nonsense goes on in the world has kind of stopped, just end. it comes down to love and i think the 50 goes back to the situation of a community i'm a mother and her child. >> it's such a moving film. blitz is in select theaters from novak amber first, and then streaming on apple tv plus on november 22. that is all we have time for this week. don't forget. you can find all of our shows online as podcasts at cnn.com/podcast and on all other major platforms. i'm christiana amanpour in london. thank you for watching and see you again next week. >> hello, thanks so

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