i'm jessica dean in new york. we are exactly 2024 days from election day in america. vice president kamala harris has arrived in north carolina with plans to step a pr outreach to black voters as the campaign continues to hold it in on swing states that will decide this election. meanwhile, former president donald trump is opting to spend crucial time in a solid blue state for presidential politics. as for a rally in california's coachella cnn's kristen holmes, is there kristen big crowd behind you? what are we expecting to hear from trump and also a big crowd? >> out to the side of me as well. i mean, the big hope here for donald trump was to draw as many people as possible, even though it is a blue state. remember one of the things that he's trying to do is turn out the popular vote even so we know of course, that doesn't matter in the end, and there is no real it is really 0% chance that he could win a state like

california. but part of what i'm told he's going to talk about today is back of kamala harris's record. he has gone after her for the state of california, blaming her for crime in various areas will go after gavin newsom and we talked to senior voters i was just about why he is here and these critical final days, they say they believe it doesn't really matter where he goes to give his message. we asked why he wasn't in swing states. they say but this is a national media campaign that when he does these kind of events, when he's bound the stage for the national media will cover it. but in addition to that, they're really trying to read low propensity voters ahead of november, meaning people who don't generally engage with politics in the typical way that others do. they believe that clips from these kinds of events can reach these people on podcasts or social media and might even have more reach than say, a traditional rally in a swing state. now that's not to say that he's not going to these swing states. we know it was in nevada yesterday and today, he'll be an arizona tomorrow, but they don't

really feel like he has to do just that now i want to talk to a number of republican operatives who disagree with this. they think the race is just simply to close that he should be spending every waking moment in one of these critical battleground states like georgia, north carolina, arizona, as he is tomorrow. but they say, again, this is a new strategy that they are taking will if it pays off. but we really won't know until november and jessica one of the things that we're going to listen to carefully here. as he continues that really dark rhetoric when it comes to immigration on the economy i'm told by people close to him that he's going to double down on that messaging ahead of november. he believes donald trump that it helped propel him to the white house in 2016, and it could help him again in november. >> all right. kristen holmes for us there laying out this new strategy in coachella. thank you so much for that reporting. joining us now republican strategist and former spokesperson for the doug burgum presidential campaign. lance trover also with us cnn contributor and new york times journalist and podcast host, lulu garcia

navarro. great to have both of you here with us. thanks so much for being here this week. >> we really saw a number of notable democrats raising concerns about whether the harris campaign may be losing some momentum. harris addressed those concerns last hour. i want to listen to what she said >> i stayed in my rallies >> it has a margin of and that's why i'm out here. >> we will continue for the next 24 days to be traveling around our country, talking with folks about the issues that matter most to them. and offering them what i believe democrats expected? what do you make of this it's, funny whenever i've talked to democrats, they always talk about how the democratic party always freaks out right before an election. one could say that

it is a typical thing for the democrats, but feel this way and i think ultimately anyone who tells you that they know what's going to happen in this election. >> really is making it out because the polls have been all over the place. it is going to be a margin election. it is extremely close and it is going to depend on who shows up to these polls and these polls have been showing different things at different times. pennsylvania alone, you saw, you've seen harris up and trump up and arizona, the same things have been swinging pretty wildly the fact is that everyone at this point has to be on their, a game that's donald trump, that's kamala harris, and that's why you see them just pushing out too. as many places as they possibly can? >> yeah. and lance, this is an extremely tight race. we can all agree on that. we saw new cnn polling average. now with this new data from the new york times, the today in pennsylvania, it shows harris with 48 to trump's 47. today,

trump was in california. he was in colorado yesterday just heard from our colleague, kristen holmes about this strategy that he can go wherever, but that the message is still going to make it to the people in battleground states that he can have this rally in california. but it's still effective. do you agree with that strategy? >> yeah. look, it's donald trump. i mean, he can go i completely agree with that strategy. he can go anywhere the media is going to cover him. he takes advantage of $1 billion in free media every single day. but, you know, he's clearly in the driver's seat when it comes to polling right now, you've heard david axelrod and others talk about that. and i've got a hot take tonight. maybe it's more of a hot question i'm beginning to wonder what the democrats kind of freaking out are they also asking themselves that maybe they shouldn't have done the switcheroo a few a few months ago to kamala harris because if you think about what the discussion has been this week, it has been that she is not meeting latino voters at the way joe biden did. she's not getting black men the way that joe biden did. and she's not getting the critical numbers in

blue collar and union households the way joe biden did, if you put all that together, that means she's not going to win come november 5. so i also wonder if there's some grumbling thinking. should we have not done the switch-a-roo a few months ago and stuck with joe biden. i think that could be a question that comes forward if she continues to plateau out over the course of the next couple of weeks it's interesting you say that though because biden was underwater even worse than he than she is on his numbers in 2020, lulu, what do you say to that i mean, would i would probably say to that is also donald trump has some softness that is very concerning to, i mean, if you think that harris is support among her base, the democratic parties and the 90s, donald trump's is in the 80s. >> there are still a lot of disaffected republicans who are on the fence about voting for him. they might come home, come november, but they very well may not and so everyone again is trying to figure out who they can get to the polls, who we're going to be, the people that are going to reliably show

up and vote for their candidate. and we really don't know if there are you know, who these new voters may be, how they're going to vote. i mean, i think that it comes down to as everyone's been saying, over and over again, a few hundred thousand people in a very few states. and so those are the people that matter california. i'm so glad donald trump is enjoying a sunny vacation. i'm not sure it's the right tactic. >> and i'm not suggesting that race is not going to be close in any way, but i mean, you, you've seen other people in the democratic party raising these questions and raising these issues. and there's the fact that she has plateaued. and if you look at both of you talk to pollsters internally and both publicly, it it's clear that he's in the driver's seat at this point and we're now three weeks out of the election. i mean, this thing, this cake is pretty well getting baked. and so that's, that's why i'm saying i'm beginning to wonder if maybe maybe it would are they questioning whether they made the right decision i want to ask you about a lot. go home for that a lot of postmortem i want to ask about the vice president isn't it releasing her health records today or doctor saying she's an

excellent health. >> we have a release from the trump campaign saying they don't plan on releasing anything beyond these updates that they pointed to following the assassination attempts from ronny jackson lulu. do you think this is something that sways voters at all? >> i mean, it should, i think one of the big things is that since biden dropped out of the race, now, former president trump is going to be the oldest candidate ever to run. and if he wins, the oldest sitting president ever to be in office. and so we have seen decline happened. i mean, it is not because of trump, it is just the age affects everyone the same way. there's only one way that you end up and that's downhill. and not releasing his records is not something new for former president trump. he wasn't very forthcoming while in office. but i do think it's something that is important for the american people to see. >> lance, do you think that former president trump should releases records i leave that

up to each individual campaign has to, in terms of what they wanna do. >> i mean, i just to me, it was the harris campaign trying to bait the trump campaign a little bit like, i think voters take a look at the candidates and how they, and how they are public and what they do. i mean, obviously joe biden had some difficulties these last couple of years to say the least, and voters took a look at that and they look at the, look at the debate and didn't like what they saw in that reflected that. so i think i think it's not a big deal to voters at all right now, i mean, to the voters right now, i was just actually in southern california and even out there, the questions are high price of gas, high cost of living, the immigration issue everywhere you go, that's their top concern the health stuff is just to me not not really on their radar right now interesting though, that he will be the oldest nominee and it was the health thing was all very much pointed with that with president biden, lulu. >> i do want to talk to you about you sitting down with trump's running mate, senator jd vance this week, we have a quick clip that we can play do

you believe he lost the 2020 election? >> i think that donald trump and i have both raised a number of issues with the 2020 election, but we're focused on the future, senator yes or no did donald trump lose the 2020 election? >> let me ask you a question. is it ok? that big technology companies censored the hunter biden laptop story he did not want to answer that. >> it seemed lulu he did not. >> and the reason i pressed him on that repeatedly in a very long interview is because ultimately there is one question that is very important also to voters and that is democracy in this country. and there is just two answers, yes or no to that question. and that's why it is important to get someone like senator vance on the record because he will be a heartbeat away from the presidency, should trump in this election lands. >> why is it, why is this a difficult question for senator vance? why can't he just say yes or no?

>> i leave those questions first off, let me just say lulu, i just watched the interview. i thought it was a fantastic interview. i think everybody should watch it. you asked some very good pointed questions and we learned a lot about him. i learned a lot about jd vance and so anytime you can bring the big lebowski into an interview, i'm i'm sold immediately, so everybody should check it out here's my here's my take on this look. i mean voters, i agree with you. it is an important issue. i'm not suggesting that it's not, but anybody who considers this as their number one topic or our vote out, they know how they're going to vote but on this and from a strategy perspective, i saw a candidate who was just really on message and it allowed him to talk about the future. and every time that it goes back to 2020, it allows him to say, i'm focused on the future and that's just a message that a lot of people want to hear again, not disparaging the question i think is a very serious is i think it's an important question it is, but it ultimately the problem with it is that it's president trump who keeps on dragging things back to 2020. that is a message that donald trump has made

central to his campaign, and that has put his running mate, senator vance and a difficult position because you've seen him privately say that he does think that donald trump lost the 2020 election chin, but publicly, he cannot say that because he has an audience of one i want to talk a little bit about, about harris going on. >> some of these podcasts, some talk shows. we've seen her trying to get out there and reach voters in different places. there was a moment during her appearance on the view this week that was interesting. i want to play it if anything would you have done something differently than president biden during the past four years there has. done a thing that comes to mind in terms of, and i've been a part of most of the decisions that have had impact that she did go on to say that she is considering appointing a republican to her cabinet. a recent poll from abc news and ipsos shows 74% of americans want to see harris go in a new

direction, apart from biden, is that a missed opportunity by her to just say yeah, here's maybe one or two things. i would have done or we would have done differently. i wish sure. >> it's a missed opportunity. i mean, the fact that the clip gets keeps getting played over and over again. one of the things that she has been trying to do is say that she is the future, that she is different than both donald trump and president biden. and so it really was a missed opportunity for her to articulate her own vision vision for this country and where she would take it. and so it's surprising that she wasn't prepared for a question like that. >> lands i'll give you the last word on this. i just i along those lines, it is striking to me that here we are three weeks out and both trump, a former president and a sitting vice president, are both trying to make the case that they're there the future sure. which is interesting that they're turning a page well, i think that's why this comment that she made this past week is so devastating for her campaign.

>> because the theory of her case is turn the page and move forward. the trump campaign is out there saying no, no, no. she's part of the biden administration 70% of this country, us side of the polls, everybody wants a new direction. they think we're going in the wrong direction. so to sit there and say that you wouldn't change anything over the last four years is really not a good thing, and i'm guessing you're going to see that in every swing state on every tv for the next three-and-a-half weeks all right lance trover and lulu garcia navarro. >> thank you to you both. thank you to you both. and lulu, again, a reminder for everyone to catch her interview with senator jd vance. thanks so much and it's. >> a tight race between trump and harris in georgia and misinformation could play a bigger role this time around, we're gonna talk about that. but first, i'm next, we're going to have new report reporting from the new york times that hamas tried to persuade iran and hezbollah to participate in the october 7 attack on israel. one of the reporters who broke that story is joining us to talk about it. during the cnn newsroom

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doha stationed hamas officials have themselves stated that they too had no prior knowledge of that operate of the operation, and that all the planning decision-making, and directing were solely executed by hamas's military wing based in gaza any claim attempting to link it to heran or hezbollah, either partially or wholly, is doing void of credence and comes from fabricated dockets ronen bergman, one of the new york times reporters who broke the story, joins us now from tel aviv, ronen, thanks so much for being here with us. i just want you first walk us through this report. and what what points toward an attempt by hamas to coordinate with iran? >> so what will be about ten documents that of 86 that took place between july 21 to august 7th of august 20, 2023. so exactly two months before the war started, before the hamas attack on israel. this is the only for it's called the small

military council. so basically the supreme form of hamas, cheered by if you're sinwar, the leader of hamas in gaza and the mastermind behind the attack, is the only way they spoke freely because they were sure. >> we don't get reason has proven because israeli intelligence only got these after the attack. >> they were sure that nobody's listening and they spoke freely about the decision-making, the conclusions, the preparations their attempts to bring it to convince iran hezbollah, to participate. and with my colleagues, patrick kingsley at the rossmore we examined these protocols, verified better them one of the things that we it's clear that comes out of the protocols is that the leader of hamas, if you say no, i saying if we attacked by ourselves, we could cause significant damage

to israel but if we check with the whole fraud, so the axis of resistance, hamas, hezbollah, palestinian islamic jihad, the houthis, the militias in iraq we could collapse. israeli said, or at least take israel many years backwards. they're trying to convince them first in 2022. and when they are not successful, they delayed it to 2023. >> a series of meetings in beirut between hiring coefficient from hamas is there a little higher. the deputy of mr. sinwar, they senior iranian official they discussed the details of the plan and what hamas asked the iranians and hezbollah to do. for example, to bond to attack some sensitive sites at the beginning, the first hour of this surprise attack according

to your reporting, hamas had been avoiding major escalations with israel since 2021 to try and low israeli leaders into this false sense of security and that hamas initially planned to attack in the fall of 22 but delayed to try and persuade iran and hezbollah to take part. >> were there any indications in those documents that iran had any hand in helping hamas prepare for those attacks. i know iran has denied that yeah. >> well we know what the radius, of course, talking about this about the massive help finance, financing composite supplying them with no, how sophisticated military equipment and others what these protocols reveal is that unlike the claim from israeli intelligence that this was a well-kept secret between only six people in gaza which of course makes the israeli intelligence failures slightly

lighter, smaller the hamas shared this secret of the coming attack with iran, with his hezbollah they understood from iran that iran will help if hamas attacks, though daughter progress to join them in the first minute as it did happen, hezbollah joins the war on october 7, but they also shared these secrets people from the political bureau of hamas you said, you said something about the nature of the deception hamas orchestrate a very sophisticated campaign of deception to convince israeli leaders, as they say, the protocols that hamas is interested in economic welfare in prosperity and in column while effect, they were planning what they call the big project that's the code name for the attack. >> so for example, they make sure, they made sure that they do not join rounds of fighting

between israel and the other palestinian john, this movement, the palestinian islamic jihad because they wanted to show israel that they don't want war and when you look at israeli intelligence document, you see that they fully fall into the trap. the israelis believed that hamas is deterred they believe that hamas doesn't want, it cannot execute such an invasion. they didn't that the stand that they are just following a script written for them by if you sinwar and his lieutenants all right. >> ronen bergman. thank you so much for being here to talk about your new reporting with us. we really appreciate it thank you just hours before president biden set to visit florida, he is making it easier for residents to start the rebuilding process. we're gonna have more on that next week and asked questions like, what does accommodation so doing on cnn that's too much

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there in florida fixing homes hit by floods when tornadoes cnn's randi kaye is in siesta key with more the storm surge was enough to make us concerned. we didn't know where it was going to land pester charlie geren's family has lived on siesta key where hurricane milton made landfall since 1948. >> he and his wife had decky share this property with his father who lives in the front cottage. all of them evacuated for hurricane milton along with their eight dogs lost trees all the way back on the property on the side, they're all down and then all of a sudden the wind started coming from the other for direction. and it was as bad as i've ever been in. this was horrific, has anything charlie says the house flooded with about three feet of water, just like it had a couple of weeks ago during hurricane helene, they didn't evacuate, then people say, well, are they are they going to run or are they going to be rebuild which one is which one is it for you? >> you're going to no worst day. >> yeah. we've been here all

these years and i'm going nowhere. dad has had enough and he is moving off the island. it's just not worth saving the house probably why didn't why do you say helene went all the way up to ohio and it destroyed entire towns. where are you going to go? >> right? i mean, this is where i grew up there's nowhere safe on this planet. wherever you go, there is something he's working around the clock to clean up his yard sofas. >> there's all kinds of stuff garbage cans. all these garbage cans, i'm using, they all came from somewhere else or not mine. everything i had during helene is out in the bay. >> it's all gone about 170 miles away from siesta key in palm beach gardens on the east coast of florida. more destruction, an ef-3 tornado, packing winds of 140 miles per hour chew through this community as milton approached florida, it is the strongest tornado from a tropical system in florida in more than half a century. this house was actually the first home that was completed in this community. and now it's condemned. here's the sine

marked unsafe. they lost their roof. these are just some of the tiles you're on the on the ground, right on their driveway. they lost their window they lost their front doors. and now there is literally a hole in their house. you can see right through it. >> was in a federal house like they always trying to do so in a house multiple walls around us and we don't need to stairs. >> will you rebuild? >> yes. you'll stay put. >> yes, ma'am. >> down the street, this woman was huddled in a closet under her stairwell with her family and a friend who evacuated from sarasota thinking they'd be safe here. that's when she got a terrifying text from a neighbor. >> someone says, oh my god, i see it like you see it. and they said, yes, it's coming from publix and it's coming right for us. we definitely hear it coming through. and the shaking. and then we also felt the wind and when we felt the wind, you know, we we knew we were compromised. >> her home is badly damaged, but not destroyed do you consider moving or are you going to rebuild well, we will

we will rebuild back in siesta key. >> charlie is leaning into his faith while keeping an eye on mother nature. >> as long as i have that faith, that christ came out of the grave nothing can harm it. >> and you feel like you feel like god will keep you safe here. >> no if i stay here and i died, it would have been my fault. it's world of disaster and so we make choices and those things happened randi kaye, cnn on siesta key, florida this week, president obama told black men it's quote, not acceptable to sit out this election. some democrats right now worried about the vice president's standing with black mountain voters. what more can the campaign do? we're source with kaitlan collins, weeknights at nine he's coming in the driveway

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curated upgrades elevated design for thoughtful living through that hl you may want to detailed new report about the health of vice president kamala harris and the campaign is using the moment to highlight trump's unwillingness to share information about his own health. >> cnn chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta details what we learned from the harris report what we were provided with is about a page and a half letter, which is pretty standard for presidential candidates and presidents when it comes to their health history the headline is the vice president is a 59-year-old healthy woman who was able to fulfill the demands. >> and the office of the presidency this particular letter signed by joshua

simmons, who has her doctor and a colonel in the u.s. army just a couple of notable highlights. again, keeping in mind that these are minor things that she is healthy. she has allergies, she has hives associated with those allergies. she wears contact lenses. most notably is that she has a family history of colon cancer. her mother died around age 70 of colon cancer and they make note of this saying that she is getting preventive care recommendations , including colonoscopies in annual mammograms i think they also spent a lot of time in this letter talking about what the vice president does not have. she does not have a history of diabetes, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, heart disease, lung disease neurological disorders or cancer. they give a lot of the numbers of recent physical exam which was done in april of 2024. they talk about things like her blood pressure, but also any medications that she may be taking she is taking things like vitamin b12 vitamin d, which they find all those to

be in the normal range. so this is a pretty standard letter. there are no particular concerns when you see a letter like this. again, coming from her doctor talking about her most recent physical exam the headline being that she is an excellent health and possesses a physical goal and mental resiliency. they say here, required to execute the duties of the presidency. >> becky sanjay gupta. >> thank you so much democrats starting to hit the panic button that's the headline from a piece this week in the hell written by my next guest amie parnes, joining us now now, amy, great to have you thanks for having me. yeah. you've written a few pieces this week around this theme, including whether harris has a gender gap problem with male voters. >> listen this whole week we've heard a number of democrats starting to panic. what are you hearing and talking to people? >> well, they are there is a very palpable shift in the way that democrats have been

talking to me since the convention. i think they came out of it. that's the very excited. there was a lot of energy i was in the hall during the convention. i could feel it people were really excited. they thought this is we're going to win it's shifted proactively received a lot of calls from democrats who really aren't the nervous types saying, i'm nervous. and here's why. and i've gotten a lot of those i've sent still that shift happening in the last week or so because they see how deadlocked and stubborn in these numbers are and they're trying trying to see how they can shift this race. they think they should be so much farther ahead, even though kamala harris has said from the beginning that she is the underdog, they're saying, look, we're running against a convicted felon and we're not gaining traction and we need to figure out what we can do in the final weeks of this campaign. >> yeah. is that what it is? because i'm curious what they're pointing to because frankly the data in the polling is, i mean, there's swings here and there, of course, and

things are up and things are down. but this continues to be a margin of error. race is kind of the broad point here. what are they pointing to? is it that you think that it's just getting closer and they thought they would be farther ahead at this point. >> i think they did think they would be farther ahead, but i think they're pointing to a lot of people i talked to you this week thought that she did fine on her 60 minutes interview, for example, but that she could've sold and made the case even stronger on economy and on immigration. and they think that she's still kind of testing a message and she shouldn't be there right now. she should be in the selling phase. this is the final weeks of the campaign. so they're pointing to that. they're pointing to men. they're pointing to the fact that the race isn't moving, that nothing is really picking up in favor of her so they want to shift gears and a lot of people have said maybe she needs to sit down and do more serious interviews or do a town hall or two or three to show that she can kind of solidify those voters who are still

questioning what she stands for and what she promises ahead, because elections are about the future. >> and amy raleigh, you were talking we're looking at some video from just moments ago, vice president harris is in north carolina of course, one of the battleground states meeting with voters there and specifically with a group of black men, they're, of course former president obama had, had a very sharp message to black men about this election. i want to play a clip from what he said earlier this week. >> you're thinking about sitting out or supporting somebody denigrating you sign of strength because that's what being a man is putting women down that's not acceptable. and you all know some of those runs

>> what did you hear from democrats in reaction to what the former president said? they were so happy that he was voicing concern about this, that he was sounding the alarm they say that he is the perfect surrogate to make this case, that he needs to be out there doing more of that and that this was kind of a clarion call to his party that he he understands what they need to do here. know, he built this obama coalition. he knows where kamala harris needs to be, and he knows that those numbers need to tick up just a little bit. if this is a game of, if this is an election of the margins, even one or two points with this demographic can help and so a lot of democrats i spoke to since he made if those remarks were so pleased that he did that and they think that he can be effective and that michelle obama can also be effective in getting these people out to vote. and i think that's the point that a lot of people there, all of us,

there's all this fear going on right now. but that president obama can kind of make the case for the sphere you speak to these people in a way that a lot of people kept could not do. >> i'm curious to what you're senses because i know you've covered this to how much it does the ghost of 2016 linger for these democrats that you're talking to oh, it lingers a lot here that in every conversation that i have that we need to learn our lesson. >> even with men, i'm hearing, we need, this is going to be a conversation that goes well beyond on the 2024 race. we have a man problem. we need to figure out what went wrong in 2016 and beyond and how we fix this problem. but yes, a lot of the sphere is of course, good dating back to 2016 when democrats thought that they had this in the bag and then trump came out and one and they look at hillary clinton's numbers and they say hillary clinton was ahead with certain

demographics at this point going into that election. and she said she lost of course, and they don't want kamala harris to be in that vote and there is misogyny. a lot of i'm hearing from democrats that they're worried that massage and he is playing a big factor in this race and so that's another reason why they're happy that president obama, former president, came out to talk about this even more so it will be interesting to see what the next three weeks hold. >> thank you so much, amy. good to see you. >> thank you the race for the white house could come down to a handful of votes in key states, like georgia and misinformation could play a role here that's next on cnn newsroom from springfield, ohio, where haitian immigrants face hate in this city. they've called home if all of the haitians here were gone, what do you think happens to springfield the whole story with anderson? >> some cooper tomorrow at 8:00 on cnn before the next commercial, find out if you're

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rules in georgia on things like how ballots are counted and how easy it is to challenge the election results before the 2020 election. >> you are necessarily involved that at a political organizing level, that all know what changed because of the ballot shredding it didn't happen at jen miller park. call that treading as trump's election denialism grip georgia in november 2020, sally got caught hope in a conspiracy theory of her own november 20, friday morning. i got a phone call from a friend and said they're shredding things you know, you need to get over there. >> i'm watching all of these ballots being shredded now. i'm they jumped in their cars and chased the truck. >> sally said it was like a scene from thelma and louise. what did you see? you saw i saw big containers, big bend's of things that said official absentee ballot, wield over to

us running drugs sucked up into the truck and treta. >> the story went viral, but county and state election officials, even the shredding company itself said that no ballots were shredded. only things like envelopes and mailing labels were destroyed. >> if we can get lottery tickets, right, we should be able to process ballots. >> sally was directly involved in changing a rule to give local election officials the power to delay certification of the results she is highly motivated individual who has taken advantage of the laws as written. >> if you're relentless you can get to the places and get things done. >> gabriel sterling is one of the top election officials in georgia most of the stuff i do is just adding extra stress to our county workers more than anything. >> if trump wins the state everything will be roses. if he loses the state by a small amount, which is a possibility too, then this is just laying the foundation for the conspiracy theories of how the election got stolen this time, one one of the last minute changes here involves an

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right now and see how much you can save tv on the edge tomorrow at nine on cnn i'm jessica dean in new york and we are 24 days away from election day with this race coming down to the wire, a newly released new york times sienna poll showing a very tight race with vice president kamala harris having a slight edge in must-win pennsylvania yeah, though it is within the margin of error. and former president donald trump ahead in arizona harris, tonight addressing concerns from some democrats. but just weeks to go