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for you saturday at nine on cnn square. >> welcome to all of you in the united states and around the world. i'm fareed zakaria coming to you live from new york today on the program as an anxious middle east awaits israel's next move. i will talk to richard house and randa slim about what a strike against iran could lead to will also discuss israel's operations in lebanon that are drawing international outrage. plus admiral james stavridis on the other war in ukraine. what is the way out of that deadlock and malcolm gladwell on what he learned when he revisited his mega bestseller, the tipping
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point 25 years after riding it but first here's my take as tensions spiral in the middle east. >> keep in mind that this is only one of three arenas in the world where regional or global players are trying to upend the international order in europe, a war continues to rage and in ayesha, a dangerous new dynamic is at work. taken together they define the most dangerous period internationally since the end of the cold war in the middle east, the current tensions are rooted in a tussle between iran and america's allies, israel and some of the gulf states. iran being a relatively weak power, has used asymmetrical means through a series of militias are allied with it hezbollah, the houthis hamas, and groups in iraq and syria. it has supported and supplied for years even before hamas's attack last october 7,
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these groups had kept up a steady stream of small bore attacks on israel. and on occasion, the gulf monarchies the effect of this pressure has been real, keeping israel in the gulf, arabs on guard and the region on edge since october 7, tensions have made normal commerce much harder about 70% of vessel traffic has been diverted from the red sea region as of june many airlines have stopped flying to israel for the time being emirates, the dubai-based airline has recently canceled some flights to iran and iraq another houthi attack on saudi oil facilities would send oil prices skyrocketing if the current middle eastern order is under pressure so is the one in europe. russia's invasion of ukraine is a traditional war of aggression using the means russia has a plenty traditional military power, but it's also an effort to upend the western led european security system that is under britain and
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dominated by the united states, or russia to succeeded in its aggression, that would significantly wrote the entire structure stability in europe created after 1945. and expanded after 1989 putin would press to have russia's imperial ambitions accommodated and places like georgia, moldova over and perhaps the baltic states, and even poland in asia. we are also facing a rising threat that has gotten somewhat unnoticed robert manning of veteran american diplomat rights, these words in foreign policy i have worked on the korean nuclear problem in and out of government over the past three decades and the korean peninsula seems more dangerous and volatile than at any time since 1950 ever since the failed summit between donald trump and kim jong un, the ladder has adopted a policy of greater bellicosity in 2021, kim announced a major expansion and modernization of his
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nuclear arsenal. in january, manning points out he announced the end of a 70-year-old goal for his country reunification with south korea, which are always placed some restraints are not curious potential military actions now the kim has designated south korea as the principal enemy, ordered the destruction of a reunification monument built by his father and shuttered the agencies that plan for reunification this could signal a greater willingness to risk war in asia more broadly, china has been applying pressure mostly economic but also military to rival or even replace america as that region's dominant power. those tensions are of course greatest around taiwan, but existence several hotspots from the philippines to the south china sea if all this one are troubling enough, there are now increasing indications that this axis of revisionist powers is coordinating and helping one another the economist points
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out that this quartet of chaos is actively swapping weapons supplies, and most importantly, know-how. iran and north korea supply russia with drones, while russia shares information with tehran on how to jam drones and disabled gps systems it sends seize western military weaponry to iran. so that we can analyze the kits the us government estimates that 90% of russia's microelectronics imports and 70% of its machine tools now come from china. much of this being dual use, meaning it can be used to make weapons the us and its allies must strive to thwart these efforts at coordination. but this will require that they themselves be unified in their policies above all they should try to drive wedges between these countries, which have long histories of suspicion intention among them china in particular is somewhat unlike the other three nations
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those rogue regimes actively seek to foment instability largely because they have little to lose from disorder china on the other hand, benefits immensely from economic trade and interdependence. it has risen to power thanks to globalization and peace guaranteed by the current international system. china's assistance to russia shows that beijing is willing to unsettle the world order, but not necessarily upended. the last time the united states faced in lines of hostile powers during the cold war, it effectively so discord within the communist world maintaining good relations with countries like yugoslavia and amenia. and above all, dividing china from the soviet union but in a washington that today's sees the world in black and white, i wonder if we have the diplomatic skill and acuity to pursue a sophisticated strategy like that one go to cnn.com/fareed for a link to my
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the washington post column this week. and let's get started intensified. >> five un peacekeepers were injured in israeli attacks in southern lebanon over the past few days the un secretary general said these attacks were a violation of international humanitarian law. prime minister netanyahu demanded that the un remove its peacekeepers immediately from quote, hezbollah strongholds and the combat zones, unquote. meanwhile, hezbollah, while severely weakened, is not out over this weekend. it has launched hundreds of projectiles into israeli territory. hovering above all, this is the near certainty that israel is going to strike iran directly soon joining me now around the slim conflict resolution director of the middle east institute and richard haass, the president emeritus of the council on
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foreign relations randy, let me start with, you. you were born in lebanon. you have family there? >> tell me what is going on there, and what do you make not of israeli operations which seem at a tactical level to be very effective. >> but prime minister netanyahu is now stated goal which he said in the speech, which is that he was asking the lebanese people to rise up and get rid of hezbollah is that possible which is a recipe for civil war. >> the israeli strike back in 1982 to impose a pax israeli anna on lebanon during that invasion of lebanon. that proxy must surge male was assassinated. as a result of that 90 hezbollah was formed in 1982 and israel than the plo, which was kicked out of lebanon at the time. of the invasion and then
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we had the us paid a heavy price for that 241 service members were assassinated in a suicide bomb by group slamming she had at the time now we know it is his butler the war does not seem to be limited. in fact, if you look at the military evacuation order is issued by the israelis they go into villages as far as 40 kilometers north of the blue line, which is an official border between israel and lebanon. you have what you want, 1.1 million it lebanese displaced inside the country on top of the 1.2 syrian refugee million, syrian refugees and more than 200,000 palestinian refugees. there is no safe area in lebanon right now strikes, israeli strikes are not only in southern lebanon, not only in the southern suburbs of beirut, it is in the north. it's in the northeast, in the beqaa. it's even in the capital they are targeting residential
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neighborhoods, arguing that hezbollah members are hezbollah offices exist, but still, according to international law, they have the responsibility, they have the legal responsibility to avoid civilian casualties, even while targeting hezbollah and hezbollah officers or hezbollah figures. and the death toll in the last two weeks we have had more than 2000 people killed. most of them are civilians, women, and children. unfortunately, i don't see either side willing to end this at this point, although we have short window of opportunity to pivot away from the military operations into a diplomatic process. >> let me ask you, richard, in israel, i think there's overwhelming consensus that this was something they had to do because hezbollah had been raining projectiles on them how do you see it it was something israel has to do and it's something israel had the right to do lebonon has the sovereign
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obligation to make sure its territory is not used by itself or anyone else in this case is bola to attack other countries. >> they're unable to fulfill that sovereign obligation. so to me, israel had every right to go in israel has now realized its initial war aims. you have hezbollah saying, we are prepared for a ceasefire. they have delinked that from a ceasefire in gaza. the israeli national security goal is to allow 60 to 70,000 israelis who are moved back after october 7, to move back to their homes, presumably that can happen. what's happening now though fareed is really interesting in the midst of war, israel as essentially up to its war aims, reminds me a little bit of what happened to the united states and korea after we push back the north to the 38th parallel, we said, maybe we can go further. >> i thought of the same. and so the hubris of having succeeded is making them push do you think the danger is then they do get mired in civil war and i think the danger is overreach and the idea that you can quote unquote, eliminate
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hezbollah, that you can divorce it entirely from the population. now again, his bullet is a foreign entity to some extent at an instrument iranian policy. but i think the danger in israeli policy is the elimination goal to get a lebanonn strong enough and willing to oust him, i think is unrealistic and they correct me if i'm wrong, they do represent the sheer who are the single largest minority. i mean, the plurality and lebanon, right? >> exactly. i mean, unlike 19 82 when israel invaded lebanon to kick out the plo, plo was a foreign implant into the country. they did not have much of a supporting milieu. hezbollah is lebanese militant group is the lebanese political party. it has supporting media the shia community you know, there have also engaged in, in hubris and arrogance since 2006, after they brought the war with israel to a stalemate. but i mean, you cannot marginalize hezbollah. you cannot marginalize the xuixo
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from any kind of political process going forward. >> so let me ask you then, in that case, is there some people talk about getting back to the un resolution, which both sides argue the other side via has violated. >> is that a possibility? >> my guess is the un resolution 171 is too ambitious because he calls them the things should the demilitarization, the disarmament of all groups. but could you get back to a situation where hezbollah essentially moves north, where israel could once against safely realistically puts people back in the northern reaches of israel. yes. real question is, what is the extent, what is the ambition of israeli war aims? and that's what this is about when we come back, stay with us, we're going to answer. richard has discretion, but as it relates to iran, what is israel's war aim against iran? and what is he runs likely response when we come back brought to you by fisher investments clearly different
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rid themselves of the iranian regime what is the goal of an israeli strike in iran? and what should it be what you raised? >> three, just a question. we don't know what the goal is it arranged on the matter, shall we say to the wildly ambitious and i would put regime change is not a strategy, but a wish at a minimum as to restore deterrence, because that's broken down again with iran, the real question then is, how much more than what does it take, for example, will the israelis attack, for example, military sites where they produce and store the kinds of rockets and drones that have attacked israel. that to me has a germaneness or relevance to it. >> do they get more ambitious and think about economic targets, something the united states and much of the world would not welcome the saudis would not welcome because they could be a target. >> will they tried to do something on the nuclear program. well, how much can they really accomplish on their own? >> what should they do i would say they should go after military targets. >> these conventional sites where they produce, where the iranians produced in store weapons let me, i think the israelis probably should be
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thinking about threading the needle. they want to restore deterrence. they want to diminish iran's ability either directly or through its proxies to attack israel. but ron still sitting on close to 3,000 ballistic missiles around his lots of tools at its disposal against israel and against the region. so i would say the israeli just want to respond, but not necessarily put in motion something where the iranian say okay, well, if the israelis are going all out and then we're going to go all out what do you think the iranians would, would view, view in israeli strikes on military issues is a kind of a beginning of a de-escalation or is there a real danger that iran fields? >> like it has to now escalate. >> i think there is a real danger of a succession of tit-for-tat retaliatory strikes, partly because the risk tolerance of the iran regime has changed you know, when they decided in april that the the cost of inaction outweigh the risks of a regional war dragging the u.s.
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into it. and then in april, they launched those ballistic missiles and drones. and now, in october, they repeated that because they felt that a pre-strike did not deterrence like this. rayleigh's, i think both of these belligerents, iran and israel, are in the process of renegotiating the deadlines. those red lines that existed before ford and regulated the rivalry have been upended. and partly again, i think the decapitation of hezbollah leadership, which has been the linchpin of iran's resistance axis and the primary deterrent for iran against israel directly, israel strikes on its territory. i think that has changed that calculus on the israeli side, i'm afraid that the prime minister might be seeing and his right-wing ministers this has the unique opportunity to achieve or to go into what the u.s. what many israelis say it was an inevitable war, the big war going after the source. and so
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they see this as a unique opportunity given the political moment we are in the u.s. they know that we will come to their defense no matter what richard, i think the way many is rarely see this, maybe not the government, but look we've had this amazing success with hezbollah plan worked better than we could have hoped why don't we just press our advantage? >> take tactical success after tactical success against both those balah in iran, who knows where lead by the way, the whole world, he hates us anywhere they're going to criticize us anyway, the only country that matters is the u.s. >> and the u.s. is not going to stop us three weeks before an election so just battled to the metal just see what happens. you may well be right, and that might end up being the dominant israeli policy both in lebanon conceivably in iran, it already is to some extent in gaza the problem with all of this reddish if you add up tactics tactics, and tax tactics, it doesn't get you to a strategy
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in none of these situations and none of these vendors do i see a definition of victory, of war termination? what exactly are prepared to settle for? what price do you, are you prepared to pay or do you want to avoid? because iran, hezbollah, hamas all still have tools they can bring to bear. i just don't see anyone in israel who's looking at this in its totality and say, how much is enough? what can we accomplish at this point, at a reasonable price? that's a dangerous thing to be missing. >> and finally, it seems to be rounded that one of the mistakes that america makes and that israel is now making his they say a lot of things about hezbollah being, having taken over the lebanese state which is correct that what hamas having taken over gaza. but the idea that a foreign army, that an israeli army will be the instrument of the liberation of the lebanese people are the iranian people seems to me it forgets nationalism, doesn't work like that exactly. >> and the longer this war in lebanon, continuous, in fact, it's going to create more
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opportunities for his mandatory asserts itself politically and militarily. already, there are reports of them starting recruitment process and of people wanting to join them partly because of the opposition to the israeli invasion. remember these are people whose villages are being destroyed and they're going to put it everything they've got but in trench israel, in long bloody protracted flight, fight, instead of israel capitalizing on the tactical gains it has achieved, is going to be drawn into a long-term occupation fascinating. >> thank you both very much next on gps, we will turn to another bloody conflict in ukraine i'll ask the former nato supreme commander admiral james stavridis, what could bring about a ceasefire? there with more reporters on the ground and the best political team in the business follow the candidates, follow will the
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bonus cash just told him tv on the edge. >> tonight at nine on cnn headlines, this very important to remember the other grinding conflict in ukraine, two-and-a-half years on russia controls roughly a fifth of ukraine's territory, meanwhile, ukraine still holds that slice of russian territory. >> it captured this summer so what are the hopes of a settlement? me, lasting peace. i want to bring in admiral james stavridis. he was nato supreme allied commander between 2009 to 2013. and unlike most military leaders, he is also an accomplished writer of fiction his latest novel, which is a must read, is called the restless wave jim, i've got to ask you because we have you about ukraine turn when you look at it right now,
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there's a lot of concern that the russians are gaining ground that ukraine is holding onto these, these parts of the donbass. and it's very fragile. what does it look like to you? >> it looks a lot to me. unfortunately, like the end of the korean war, what i mean by that is it seems highly unlikely then vladimir putin is going to be dislodged from the 20% of ukraine. he currently holds as a result of that, we ought to begin thinking about a negotiation and armistice freeze the frame, perhaps in the time ahead, the ukrainians can renegotiate for that lost portion but the real goal fareed is to get the rest of ukraine sailing on free democratic part of nato part of the european union so we'll get to that second part in a bit. >> but first i want to ask you, the ukrainians believe very strongly that they can still gain more money mentum, more
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advantage, that this is part of what they've asked president biden for. one of the things they keep asking for is this ability to strike into russia itself, to use if russia is launching missiles from russian territory, they should be able to strike those basis so i've talked to administration officials, they believe this is not as big a deal as the ukrainians make it out, but the russians could pull those guns back. that this is more symbolic. what do you think? >> i think militarily, i would want to take the shackles off ukraine and that's both militarily important because you premiums can strike into deep targets that are airbase long-range missile strikes. that's a real military target. and by the way, if you're forcing the russians to push those 500 miles away, they become ineffective. so i think it is a big deal. we ought to unleash pleased to the ukrainians. tell them, don't
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go to moscow, don't go after civilian population centers. but military targets, 300 or so miles into russia makes both symbolic and military sense. >> so now let's get to the issue of ukraine. you were a supreme allied commander of nato how would you provide us a nato membership to a country when a fifth of its territory is occupied by russia. does that mean the minute? ukraine joins nato, it isn't. now, nato is now at war with russia because russia and ukraine are still warring on that front. >> i think this is why it's crucial that we have a negotiation that gets to an armistice. if we can stop the hostilities, have a cease-fire with an army stairs perhaps agreed roughly along the lines that exist now, i think that is the key that would unlock the door to bring, ukraine into nato and there might be a
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halfway house for re, do you might start with a security guarantee that short of a full membership. but i think over time nato, once ukraine inside nato, and i'll tell you why when this is over ukraine will have the most highly blooded technologically capable, and innovative land force in europe. we want the muntean nato when you talk about moving toward negotiation you need two sides to negotiate. >> do you think putin is ready what would make him ready and isn't he waiting perhaps for the outcome of the november election? >> 100%. he's waiting for the outcome of the election because he sees a real difference. and i think it's a realistic expectation on his part president trump, former president trump has been very skeptical of ukraine, whereas vice president harris has been very supportive. but what is pushing putin toward a negotiation are his losses, his
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attrition, he's lost probably 1 million young russian men 200,000 killed in action 400,000 grievously wounded, 600,000 have left the country in order to avoid the draft. none of that is good for russia long-term. he knows that i think he would be willing to negotiate on the basis of where we are now after to hear from you, jim thank you for aid for more on. admiral stavridis, his new book, that restless wave, go to cnn.com/fareed for an extended interview about it 25 years since malcolm gladwell debut book, that tipping point became an international sensation. now he's revisited that mega bestseller in the form of a fascinating new book. ask him all about it when we come back
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>> malcolm gladwell, always a pleasure. >> thank you free. happy to be here. >> so you've done something very unusual. i i can't think of a famous author who has done this. you've revisited, your most famous book, the, the tipping point. do you even know how many copies sold around the world? >> a fair number? yes. >> i mean, in the millions and millions and millions. >> why did you do it? >> well, it was the 25th anniversary. i thought were not that's sort of fine. you're right. i hadn't heard of another rider people do sequels, but they didn't right away. i hadn't heard of someone going back a quarter-century so i just thought it would be fine and when i re-read the original one, i just realized i didn't want the original. there was just to kind of update it and they don't know. no i i felt there was room for a lot more kind of complexity and nuance. >> you have a great chapter called the mysterious case of the harvard women rugby team. what is that about? >> i could not resist, you know, i have an unhealthy
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obsession with what's wrong with the ivy league. so i was trying to answer the question of why, why does harvard competed more varsity sports in any other college in the country? and why do they give greater bet preferences at admissions to athletes? then do any other group, right? doesn't make any sense. you would say if i told you that was true of clemson, you would say that makes no, no. it's not cleanser unhealthily obsessed with a fedex. it's harvard. >> the question is why? and i concoct this elaborate explanation to explain harvard's behavior. i think either explicitly or implicitly they're using athletes in sports you know, who are participating in as big clear upper middle-class sports like fencing, lacrosse sailing rowing. they're using them to keep their, to keep the harvard culture intact in other words,
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if you look at caltech, caltech, 100 years ago, was whilst be school 50 years ago as a jewish school announced an asian school, it's a meritocracy and it just changes with every new meritocratic wave. and my prediction is in 20 years, it's a nigerian school, right? et sense. but if you don't want that to happen, you have to take steps, mac a value in steps to demand the harbor didn't want the jews to take over in the 20s. they didn't want the agency take over in the 90s and odds and no one i'm guessing the nigerians to take over, you make the point that the, the, one of the central activities of the american establishment is social engineering. >> what do you mean by that? >> and what i mean controlling who gets in and out and i don't mean a kind of in, a, kind of gross 19th century kind of way, i think that there is still very much an attempt by certain institutions in this society to police who gets in
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and, to, be to be on some level, quite machiavellian in they keep their culture intact. >> that's really the issue here. i don't know whether i wouldn't call it racism. i would say it's something else. it is there's a certain thing called harvard nursery illness or princeton notice that those goals are anxious to hold onto and that means that they don't want to just let in every immigrant off the boat. >> do you think that that that these kind of mechanisms. account for some of the you know, the animosity the outrage that people feel, mostly on the maga, right toward urban liberals. these, these institutions yeah, i mean, i noticed today, absolutely. i noted that california banned legacy admissions at aisle california schools. and legacy admissions are i mean, the kind
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of thing that would inflame an outside are trying to give him trying to climb the ranks why would we say adam grant has a wonderful idea, which was he thinks that legacy admissions should work in the opposite way. if you have a pair of two, went to harvard that should be a strike against you because you've already benefited from harvard so why would they need to you should be have to go back to the back of the line. i think that's actually a really good idea, but no, it's that kind of thing the kind of obviousness with which they are rewarding people with privilege is that's i the one if there's something that is absolutely central to what america is, i believe that america has had the promise of had a a bolder and clearer promise of meritocratic meritocracy. than any other industrialized country in history. and we need to defend that. and to the extent we let that erode, it is to our great detriment i have to let you go, but i want to point out that
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it's an amazing book and it's amazing thing that you tried to do, which is to go back and we haven't talked about them, but there are places where you say you were dead wrong and you own that and you talk about why all all your books are fascinating, but this for, for gladwell fan, this is a must read. >> remember a rock where america was mired in conflict for more than 20 years? it often seems forgotten but iraq holds an important place in the middle east and we should all be paying more attention to it, when we come back, my conversation with that country's prime minister saturday at nine on cnn? i'll give you my bike if you can prove you know, your finances. >> sure. >> how many subscriptions are you paying for right now? >> i only for let's download rocket money and we'll see if you're right. >> it actually looks like you're paying for 15, which is costing you $290 a month.
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called for the withdrawal of american troops from iraq yet the reason they are there which is isis seems to be a problem that has not gone away. isis, has expanded its operations in syria there are even some accounts that it has made terror attacks within iraq are you sure that if us troops leave? isis will not return as it did once in the past hukou material, my government has committed itself in front of the parliament to rearrange. >> its relationship with the international alliance to fight isis hello, for whether this alliance was formed because of an invitation by the iraqi government in 2014, what could happen to have it? the harlow in this alliance achieved with the help of iraq and friends
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outside of the alliance. >> and just that easily little month of historical success by defeating isis mohammad, the end of operation inherent resolve does not mean that iran will cut its relationships with the countries in the international alliance especially the united states rather, it will move forward with a bilateral security relationship based on the iraqi constitution and law it's 21 years now since the united states operation in iraq but i think the concern most americans would have is we spent a lot of blood and treasure in iraq we ended up with what is maybe somewhat democratic government but it's pro-iranian it is corrupt it does not it does not in any way seem to embrace america and its interests are they right
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outside this is not correct. the problem is, everybody looks at iraq through its relationship with iran yes, there is a tense relationship between the united states and iran in this is actually a problem on how to manage this relationship. >> it on daughter jada iran is a neighboring country. we have a lot in common culturally, religiously, and socially gotten a dime it, and they supported us and the political process. and supported our efforts against terrorism but too her iraq and the united states have had a strategic framework agreement since 2008 i didn't go how cool, but one in our mission and our role as a government is to activate this agreement, to have a relationship in the fields of economy, education, health, and technology instead of cooperating only in the security and military aspect. >> finally, mr. prime minister, let me ask you you yourself,
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come from a background of where you have been persecuted under saddam hussein i think you lost many members of your family who were executed by saddam you are now prime minister what do you want your legacy to be? what do you want to leave iraq with if you are successful through injustice he will be very keen to not put someone through injustice as well it's the cooler, especially in a position like mine is the prime minister of the government of my country iraq were fit with it at all. >> i hope for is to be in service of iraq and iraqis and to put iraq first in, all are policies that are built on respecting others and building balanced relationships prime minister, thank you for joining
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