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following these stories and many more all? coming in to cnn news central days until election day. vice president kamala harris and former president donald trump, or in the critical battleground state of pennsylvania today as a new national poll shows the candidates in a dead heat trump is now calling on harris to take a cognitive test. but as her campaign points out, the vice president has released a new detailed letter from her doctor saying she is in quote, excellent health. she calls on trump to release his medical records. >> it's been nearly a year since trump put out a letter from his doctor saying his quote, overall health is excellent. let's go live to erie, pennsylvania with cnn's priscilla alvarez, who's covering the harris campaign. priscilla harris is ramping up claims that the trump team isn't being transparent about

his fitness. tell us more yeah, boris, this is a new line of attack with the vice president lines. so yesterday and over the course of interviews, as well as the arguing that by him not participating in some interviews and not releasing his medical records, that he may not be fit for office. take a listen. >> he his staff won't let them do a 60 minutes interview every president for the last half century has done when anyone who's running for president, everyone has done it except donald trump he will not debate me again i'll put out my medical records. he won't put out his medical records and you have to ask, why is this staff doing that? >> and it may be because they think he's just not ready and unfit an unstable and should not have that level of transparency for the american people

is hammering her republican rival seizing also focus on locking in her coalition, doubling down on black voter outreach, and trying to fill the void when it comes to questions about her own proposal because those especially on the economy. so today she is going to unveil here in erie some of those proposals that includes, for example, forgivable loans to entreprenuers of up to $20,000 promoting apprenticeships and legalizing recreational marijuana among other measures taken together, it's a sippy proposal and an attempt to ban hi, the vice president and her team to appeal to black voters because walpole's show that she has the majority of black voters behind her. there has been an erosion of support when compared to other election cycles. and the fear among advisers is that some of these voters decide to sit out the election or vote for donald trump. so that is the work that they are trying to make up for over the course of the week tomorrow, for example, she'll be in detroit. where should be able to participating in a radio town hall with charlemagne, tha god, who has

millions of listeners, many of whom are black. and later in the week, she'll also be returning to michigan. so the campaign, clearly with his travel blitz across the blue wall, trying to walk in this coalition what maybe the surest path to 270 for this campaign come november okay. >> priscilla alvarez. thank you very much. let's bring in cnn national political reporter, daniel strauss is covering the trump campaign. so daniel, what does former president trump plan to do during his time in pennsylvania? >> similar to harris in its own way, trump plans to focus on the economy in specifically his bread and butter issues. he plans to talk about tariffs. he plans to talk about taxation. now, let's be clear about trump. you never quite know what he's going to say on stage, but it is telling in the final few weeks of this campaign that both harris and trump see the economy as the message they need to hone into. in pennsylvania. remember this is also a state that both camps

see as the deciding state in this election, because it's so close, whichever way pennsylvania goes, they expect that way is how the presidential election will go. and both campaigns, the harris and trump campaign, expect that the economy is the winning issue to telegraph in these final weeks dennis ross, thank you so much for the update joining us now to discuss is the duchess of hialeah, florida, sabrina rodriguez and national political reporter for the washington post. and mike madrid, co-founder of the lincoln project, and the author of the latino century, how america's largest minority is transforming democracy. thank you both for being with us, mike first to you, i want to dig into the numbers and this new new york times-sienna college poll showing harris leading trump 56 to 30% among latino voters she is underperforming the last three democratic presidential nominee's she's still winning among latino voters, but that is significant because this could be a race that is won in

the margins does she have enough time to turn this around or first let me say what an honor it is to be on with the duchess. >> so thanks for that. let me also say that. yeah. i think you characterized it perfectly. there is some weakness here and it is this is fixable. there is time, but it is they're running short on time. i'm glad to see your closing on these economic issues. kamala harris has made a lot of the right adjustments to get back into a more competitive position for democrats over the past hundred days or so than where they were prior. she she has done a good job the question is, does she have enough time in that short window to overcome a lot of what the democrats had been doing for the past 12 or 15 years, where they had been consistently leaking latino voters and we obviously won't know until until election day. but what i will say is a lot of this was because unnecessary, a lot of this is self-inflicted wounds. the democrats had time

and plenty of evidence to make this correction earlier. i think she's doing everything right. we're just going to have to see if she can break through on it. >> that's interesting. so what do you think? i mean, 22 days is not that long. >> so what can she do to alter that? well, first it's an honor to have view the most famous person of hialeah. i have to acknowledge it but i think the harris campaign, i mean, they're acknowledging there has been a long time misconception with latino voters that they only care about immigration or that that is the top issue for them were seeing the harris campaign really talk to latino voters like everyone else. >> they understand that for latino voters, the biggest issues are inflation, the economy, the cost of living, housing. and for some it's reproductive rights for some it's climate change. i mean, they recognize that there is diversity within latino voters in the same way that we see in amongst everyone else and even on on the specific issue of immigration, they recognize that there's nuances to it. i think one of the most interesting things we saw from the near times sienna poll this weekend focused on latino

voters. was that a majority actually are not offended by what donald trump is saying about immigration. they don't take it personally. i don't think when he's giving he's saying his anti-immigrant rhetoric that it is referring to them. in conversations with the latino voters across the country. i mean, you just hear them saying, many are sympathetic towards immigrants, many are saying they want pathways to citizenship, but they're also concerned about the border. they also see an issue in the past few years. >> yeah, allison, i'm not sure if you know, highly highly, sabrina and i are from the same place that she said about that poll stood out to me because it's something that i've heard repeatedly from talking to folks back home, sabrina, and it's the idea we have those numbers. i think it's the idea that even folks that were born in another country more than half of them, latino voters, do not believe that donald trump is talking to them when he says things like migrants are taking over the country, we're going

to have migrant camps all over the place of kamala harris wins so i wonder what is he saying to them that then appeals to those voters that are trending toward republicans. >> well, he's playing on a nuance here within the latino community. i mean, we hear it when he's on the campaign trail saying that these immigrants are taking black and hispanic jobs he's saying, you know, he's creating these, this, this caste system, this class system amongst latino voters and saying there others, the people that are coming now or others, you're a hard working american, you pay your taxes. are you? he's trying to create these misconceptions and a lot of it is based off of falsehoods and fear mongering that we see. but, but it hasn't been effective within a group. and i think an important thing to point out though, is harris is still winning a majority of latino voters. i think that as soon as we start talking about inroads that trump's making then it becomes a debate over how much he doesn't need to win a majority of latino voters to really make a dent in some of these key

battleground states. and it's not just the states that we typically hear about latino voters. and it's not just arizona and nevada, florida, that's places like pennsylvania and wisconsin, two that have such a growing population. >> mike isn't this just such an interesting revelation that people, because, because donald trump does this rhetorical thing where he says criminals and rapists, people bull i can say, well, obviously he's not talking about me, but then as you know, he's also not specific. he also then says he's going to deport millions of people and sometimes his campaign goes as far as to say that he's going to deport people who weren't born here. so just curious about how people identify themselves with who he's mentioning mike that's exactly right. >> and that identity is really central to what is happening with what we call up any the other latino identity. look in this poll, 43% of latino support building a wall including by the way, 9% of latinos who are voting for kamala harris who also by the way, that 9% also support

deportations of those that are here. so it's why you are seeing kamala harris takes such a decidedly strong, i would argue conservatives that a centrist position, it's a concern derivative position, it's the lankford bill on immigration, on border security. so this is all related to how this explosion of later generation latinos that change in from latinos being largely a migrant or immigrant centered voting bloc 20 years ago to now we're 80% of new latino registered voters are us born this us born latino does not feel that trump is talking to them when he's talking about building a wall or deports or mass deportations in fact, there's very strong growing sentiment that they are in support of these positions this is the time paula just pointed out. but i also do want to bring bring up one other point and that is this is not new in our community it's

certainly growing a sentiment, but there's always ban at least a third of our, of our community, regardless of degree of generation removed from the immigrant experience that has supported the stronger border security plans. and it's why i think democrats are really struggling with the issue right now because that's never been the orthodoxy, at least not for the past 20 years of where the party has believed latino voters to be at sabrina a moment ago, you mentioned pennsylvania as a place where latinos can sort of tilt the scales i wonder where else on the map you look and think that might be a spot i mean, i think pennsylvania is sort of one of the big surprises since we focus so much on it as this battleground state the harris needs to win, but we see it in wisconsin, there is a growing population there, and i do think, i mean, it's not to then sort of look away from these states. >> i mean, arizona and nevada. this is a huge part. it's roughly one in five voters in both of these states that are latino and those are places where biden won by just a few

thousand votes. so if a few thousand latinos stay home, a few thousand latinos decide to vote for donald trump, that voted for biden in 2020, or some of the younger latinos coming up decide that they identify more with donald trump in this election. that is the game changer, that is the reality of her path victory is through these battleground states. and each of these, a few thousand latinos can ultimately determine the election and ultimately help trump win if he courts enough one follow-up for you. >> sabrina, talk about the gender divide in the latino community is stronger than in other are we seeing is it? more distinct than another community that gender gap is very real within latino men. in particular, and we're seeing it especially with younger latino men, so we're seeing both a gender gap and an age distinction here were older latinos or more supportive of harris. you're seeing that younger latinos are more open-minded and that should be ringing alarm bells for the democratic party because latinos are such a young population and they're coming

up without necessarily having some type of party loyalty there. when you think about an 18-year-old voter, a first-time voter, they didn't live through obama administration. they don't remember that to them. this era of politics is the norm. so they don't have that kind of affiliation with a certain party, a kind of loyalty, a lot of them identify as independent. so for them, i mean, this is, this is what the election is going to come down to and not just this one, but the future ones and it is anything but normal this era, right? sabrina, mike, great to have you on les, you like, as i look at us thanks so much for being with us. still ahead this hour on cnn news central, a nightmare for florida homeowners as insurers warn of double-digit billion-dollar losses in the wake of hurricanes helene and milton the struggle to find home insurance could get even harder. >> now plus the fate of his career has been up in the air after his latest concussion, but the miami dolphins just gave a big update on the field future of quarterback tua

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florida's chief financial officer and the state fire marshal. mr. patronas. thank you very much. can you quantify yet in dollars, how much damage milton and helene have caused florida so thank. >> you for. having me with the milton dollars that i'm just know off the top of my head. we have broken 100,000 claims were just cresting over about 1 billion in losses. it will grow, it won't be to the size and scope of a hurricane. >> ian hurricane ian in 2022 was $21 billion almost 800,000 claims, but it's still it will be a significant storm for the books of florida to recover from so if we're getting into the billions of dollars, as you say, how do insurers pay out those claims? how can they afford it? >> so the insurance companies also have their own insurance it's called reinsurance. an insurance company will buy. they will have their own capital on hand, and then they

will buy insurance policies on top of that in most cases, and insurance company in the state of four will have 1 billion, billion and a half, $2 billion. and reinsurance on top of their insurance soak if they exhaust their funds, they have on hand than they go into the reinsurance policy that ends up ultimately paying those claims and what about the state budget? >> is is that affected by these disasters? >> so it's kind of a twisted answer, but it's going to be shocking to tell you this. the state of florida makes money off or hurricanes. when you think about where a sales tax only economy basically and dogs stamps on real estate. but in the case of hurricane ian, because it was $21 billion in claims paid the state found $1.55 billion and non typical revenue. it was a spike in revenue, not anticipated, revenue it's like finding a lottery ticket and so the state of florida we what we have done over the last several years is we take that money and we

fought back into the hands of the taxpayers through programs to help harden their homes to drive down their insurance rates. the my safe for a home program knocks insurance premiums down by 50% on average with those families that participate in it that is fascinating to understand that math. it's a strange incentive structure frankly, because you'd think that people wouldn't want to rebuild. we're at a place that is prone to hurricanes, but are you saying that there's financial reason for to make it work well, so i'll say this whenever there's going to be those families that will cash out hurricane michael hit my hometown was a category five storm, a number of families, especially those that have aged out that are empty nesters. >> they will take their insurance proceeds, they will sell their homes as is, and they will move closer to their grandkids are their kids. it's very common and this is where

sometimes a community after hurricane kind of loses some of its identity because of all the new people that come in that want to live in florida market, especially in the coastal areas where you have some sometimes the biggest amount of devastation that's where the dollar i'm in most aggressively because people want to live on the water and what they'll do is they'll build to the latest building codes where the homes or less susceptible to damage. >> so mr. patronas, what is florida as a state doing or what can it do? to not be a sitting duck. >> well, again, with the matter, safe for the whole brand, but program is a perfect example. we put dollars into the market for reinforcing the windows, reinforcing the doors. new groups, hurricane clips, those homes that are built with the newer building codes, the post night dean 95 building codes, those homes are very resilient. it's the homes built prior to 1995 that may not have the latest building codes and

that are so susceptible to win storm damage. now, when it comes to flood, only way you're going to fight flood is to build up. so those homes that are at great, unfortunately, they'll have significant damage. but the state of florida will now allow them to build back at grade. they'll have to build back-up ten, maybe 12 feet up. and that's where you have a lot of instances where there's a garage underneath the house. >> so are you saying that the people that we've seen on our air that our reporters have interviewed, did they will be compensated will they be made whole and get everything that they've lost so it just depends on what type of coverage they've got. >> if you're living on a coastal area and you have a mortgage in the state of florida, you'll be required to have flood insurance and windstorm insurance by your mortgage company, money. that's going to be the way that you're going to insure. you're made whole now i have you have a home that is fully paid for and you decide, you know, i'm going to skip out in this year on paying for insurance because i want to prioritize my other expenses. i want to take a chance.

unfortunately, those will be left without an insurance remedy to help rebuild until people all the time what's kind of traumatizing about hurricane kansas some people buy homes, some people build homes, rebuilding home as something that doesn't typically happen. and it's overwhelming when you start to rebuild your life, when from a damaged house. and it's unfortunate, but this is why we do our insurance villages. this is why we wrap are communities up with professionals? we have face-to-face he's engagements with the insurance carriers to ensure that they're getting their money, we're getting in touch with contractors that are reputable and start to rebuild their lives. >> jimmy, for charges. thank you for explaining all of that really helpful. >> take care. thanks so much next, how donald trump says he will use the u.s. >> military against quote, the enemy from within if he is reelected

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people from within then we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left, lunatics. it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military we want to discuss with cnn military analyst, retired lieutenant general mark hertling. he's a former commanding general of us army europe and the seventh army general. thank you so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. what's your reaction to trump's comments? there? >> saw those comments yesterday, boris, they are not only troubling, but also very disturbing to say that people who have different ideas who might express their beliefs in different ways, which is something our constitution says. all americans should be able to do. and to say that these are radical well left, or they are dangerous people on the inside to me, it's just anathema to what we believe as americans and the rights and kind of value systems that we live by how do you think

members of the military read these comments? well, i can't speak for the entire military, but i can speak as a former commander of forces. and when you hear something like this, first of all, it would be illegal for the military to step in because of something called the posse comitatus act. they can provide support to civilian authorities if there are ripe that's are disturbances. but the right to peaceably come together and voice your concerns as something that is an american as apple pie. >> but here's the problem with that. when you start talking about the military becoming involved it implies that you're going to mobilize the active duty component to provide research sources under the insurrection act. >> now, only the president can call for the insurrection act at that point, the elements of posse comitatus, where military personnel cannot get involved in arresting, are putting down individual citizens plays a

part i would think it would be very dangerous to basically call on the insurrection act as a president unless there is a true insurrection riot, or a protest against by the u.s citizens of the united states is not insurrection, is voicing a different view as a military commander i would always disobeyed illegal orders. >> if i was given as a commander and illegal order, i would say i'm not going to do that, mr. president. but then he might call the insurrection act and then it becomes illegal order. but even at that point, doors boris, it becomes more problematic because you have soldiers who were eric guns facing other soldiers. and whenever we've mobilized soldiers to go guess their fellow citizens, it usually hasn't gone over. well, i'll just comment on to historical examples, something called the bonus marchers of the 1930s where colonel george patton ran

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dolphins head coach mike mcdaniel said, today he expects quarterback tua tagovailoa back on the field at some point this season, which is perhaps surprising considering his history of concussions, the miami star suffered for documented concussions, what is it? >> college start alabama. and three the past three nfl seasons, the latest in week two of this season against the bills. remember in 2022, the league changed its concussion protocols in response to the dolphins handling of another troubling on-field hit, never diagnosed as a concussion tagovailoa has been on the injured reserve list after the latest head injury, but he's eligible to return in less than two weeks there still information that he's seeking this week and as far as timelines go i know he's it's now playing this week and i do expect to see him playing football and 2024 but where

that is exactly, we'll let the, let the process continue. >> it is exciting than i, that i that i do believe he'll play football this year what i never went down that rabbit hole of if he would or wouldn't just because i i've learned through circumstance how that's the wrong question to be asking. >> if and when he's back on the field, questions will be asked about the wisdom of playing a number of former players have said or return is not worth the long-term risk that he should retire. it's also notable bills quarterback josh allen, will be back on the field tonight after hitting his head on the turf last week, he was clear appeared to return to the field, but as we know, boris and allison, it's a dangerous game with potentially devastating long-term consequences no question about that. >> matt winer. thank you so much for that update. want to give you an update now on some

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>> and my condolences of course. >> thank you. and i just wanted to talk to you because i would never have known three months ago before this happened to me. >> that the nicest just pleasantries hit very differently when you're in the middle of grief than they do to just regular people. >> there's a real divide for instance one question is, how are you? we all ask each other that every day and it's so interesting, my my teenage daughter told me last week that she now sees that as the most personal vulnerable question you could ever ask someone because for someone who's grieving, the answer is really complicated and it's ever changing. >> so it is there a right way to ask that of someone in grief? yeah. point and you made an excellent point of it in your article, by

the way, which i am now sharing with my patients who are either on the receiving end of the grieving or are trying to reach out to someone else. so thank you so very much for putting this together. they're from your own personal pain and triumphs also. but i would say that when we ask someone how are you that person is in such grief in such crisis? how do they answer that question? i mean, they are going through an existential change in their lives and that's the last thing they want to be questioned about. i think we can be more specific when we reach out to someone and asking them, well, how are you doing with regard to making arrangements or how was your particular meal the other day? or how has it been for you to get through this particular day instead of asking such a broad

question, when someone is going through that kind of pain and may be confused and maybe in shock. >> yeah, that's what i learned that the existential questions are just really hard to answer. you know, we don't know how to answer them. any more by the way. i mean, i've gotten very very nice response to the article and i hope everybody goes to read it on cnn cnn.com, but i didn't mean to make anybody feel guilty. i asked i myself asked these five questions that now set me off. i asked them of friends for decades. i didn't know. they can be. you're so raw in grief and you're just, you know, an exposed nerve ending, walking around, but i didn't know simple questions. the next one was, how can i help? and that one is very hard to answer for grieving people. why is that well, simply because there are so many things that someone can do but when you're in the grieving process, it's not

like you're going to start listing things and you don't want to inconvenience anyone while you are in your own grieving state. >> so i think it's really important for people to just instead of asking, how can i help just make a very small gesture, bringing a meal or offering to take someone shopping or saying, well, listen, i'll just sit with your children while you are are out taking care of other things around a funeral arrangements or whatever the case may be. so it's just a little gestures and i agree with you, allison, your article and i tell people all the time, it's not that people are doing the wrong thing. we don't want to throw out the baby with the bathwater. it's that in these very personal times, it's important to come in a little bit better equipped with some things that are tried and true in helping someone who is grieving. so you know what? no,

no finger pointing here, no blame game is just that how do we come together in a more substantial way during he's difficult times because let's face it all of us at some point will be close to grief somehow. and so i think the feeling, at least now that i have in it is you don't want to be othered, so to speak you know, to feel as though you're on your own island away from everybody and people saying, you know, i can't imagine what you must be going through. you know, we don't want this to be unimaginable, but i'm sure dr. gardner, you feel this people do avoid this topic. it's hard to talk about absolutely. >> and when you say i can't imagine what you're going through, even though it must it comes from the heart, but it further isolates that individual. if you can imagine what i'm going through, then i must really be alone in this. and so one of the things that i think we can do is instead of

using those particular words or maybe following it up with something like thinking about some of the grief that you have experienced in your own life. that's how we develop empathy. and that's how we develop validation for what it is that the person is going through. we don't have to try to say words that accidentally isolate them more than anything else sometimes it's good just to sit there with them and not say anything. just be the rock, just be the person to let them know that they're not alone totally agree. >> sometimes you can just show up and not have to say the right things. i'm dr. gardere. thank you very much. again direct everyone to cnn.com. if you want to read more about my essay, i really appreciate you helping us walk through this and thank you for putting this out there. >> it's going to help a lot of people. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back you covered, no matter the

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