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hezbollah drone attack. >> this as the u.s. announces it's sending troops and an anti-missile system to bolster israel those defenses and the very real impact of spreading disinformation and misinformation. fema workers who were helping disaster survivors, north carolina are forced to flee and work from secure locations after receiving threats just for doing their job. >> are following these major developing stories and many more all coming in right here to cnn news central fighting for the battleground states both campaigns on the trail today in the crucial state of pennsylvania. >> in the next couple of hours, we're told that former president donald trump will pitch his economic message to voters just outside of philadelphia as he launches a fresh attack against his democratic rival meanwhile,
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harris will speak this evening in erie, pennsylvania as she makes a direct appeal to a key demographic, black men. >> and with just a little over three weeks until election day, every vote matters. look at this new cnn poll of polls showing the race in a dead heat. the key part is that top right corner where it says no clear leader of correspondents are live on the trail in pennsylvania right now, let's begin with cnn's priscilla alvarez, who's following the harris campaign in erie a priscilla, what can we expect to hear from her tonight? >> well, her message tonight, it's going to be one that focused on black voter outreach as he tries to fill the void about what her economic policies and proposals are, should she win in november? now, what she is going to unveil here in erie, pennsylvania is again, appealing to black voters. that includes forgivable loans for black contract runners up to $20,000 promoting apprenticeships and also legalizing recreational marijuana, among other measures taken together, it's a
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sweeping plan that again, trying to shore up support among black voters, because even though polls show that she still has the majority of black voters hind her, there is a erosion in that support when compare to other elections cycles. and the fear and concern among her advisers is that some folks will sit out the election or vote for her republican rival, donald trump. so to that end, the vice president is also fine tuning her messaging there and trying to draw the stark contrast between her and trump especially when it comes to black voters. take a listen he is not looking out for folks when he is, when he was a land lord and would not rent two black families sued for it when he took out a full-page ad in the new york times against those five teenagers, black and latino innocent, saying they should be executed the central park five when you look at the first black president, united
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states, and he had birth, their lives of what we saw from the vice president over the weekend when she was in north carolina meeting with local black elected officials and faith leaders and also attending a church service yesterday. now, part of her message too, is going to be that about donald trump and transparency. this is a new line of attack where she's suggesting that he is hiding by not doing 60 minutes or a revealing his medical records as she he has done both. now, i will also note that the vice president will be returning to pennsylvania this week demonstrating how crucial this state has become as her campaign tries to find this surest way to 270 electoral votes in november priscilla alvarez live for us in erie, pennsylvania. thank you so much. let's turn now to cnn's kristen holmes, who is following the trump campaign in ocs, pennsylvania. so kristen, what's on the agenda for the former president tonight? >> yeah, boris and allison. one thing i just want to know really fast. you heard
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priscilla say that kamala harris is expected to be in pennsylvania again later in the week, we actually also expect donald trump over the weekend. and to be in pennsylvania just highlighting how critical, how important this state is, now, tonight is supposed to be billed as a town hall on economic policies. obviously it is donald trump could say anything, but it will be more focused on the economy since people are actually asking questions. but this does come off of a weekend in which we heard some of the darkest rhetoric on immigrants ration that we have heard, yet, it wasn't just about immigration. he also called a liberals people that he said were essentially his enemies, that the enemy within say they could possibly use the national snl guard or military to take care of that. and we are expecting him to ramp up that rhetoric, not dial it back despite the fact that people have pushed him to try hi and maybe to a line here, donald trump believes that that rhetoric helped win him the white house in 2016, and could help win him the white house in november but as you were hearing priscilla talk about kamala harris reaching out to black men donald trump's team is reaching out to what they call
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low propensity voters. these are people who really rarely vote if at all, there was a idea that for the last several cycles those people the middle of the country that didn't really vote leaned democrat and last several years, the do believe has changed that they lean more for republican than what donald trump's team is trying to do is to drive out those voters. they understand when it comes to middle of the road, voters, independence they might not be able to expand the electorate that way. they might not be able to get those votes. instead, they want to expand the electorate through these low propensity voters. and they believe this messaging is working. and if you look at those recent polls, there is reason to believe they could be correct. so expect him to continue to double down on that kind of rhetoric boris nelson kristen holmes live for us in pennsylvania. thank you so much for the update let's drill down on all the latest headlines with former republican presidential candidate vivek ramaswamy. vivek, thank you so much for sharing part of your
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afternoon with us. i want to start with getting your thoughts on these policies put forward by vice president harris. the opportunity agenda that her campaign says is aimed at black men. it includes 1 million loans for new businesses they're fully forgivable up to $20,000. cutting college requirements for certain federal jobs this new regulatory framework for a crisp doe currency, an issue that you have spoken a lot about also legalizing recreational marijuana. how well do you think those proposals could work? >> i don't think he's proposals are going to land for one principal reason. she had the opportunity to do it for the last four years and has not yet led the way while still clinging to proposals as best we know, she's still in favor of attacks on unrealized capital gains, which would be one of the best formulas for great depression. and a stock market crash in the country think part of the reason there is a palpable sense that donald trump is starting to separate away from kamala harris stealing voters from black and hispanic voter banks. is that
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there is certainly hypocrisy and kamala harris has stated policy positions versus what they've actually done over the last four years. >> and i think boris, that is what makes this election a little bit unique. >> you have for years donald trump, four years of harris biden compared the results. i think that's what voters at home are doing. and i do think that that's why we're seeing that migration of both black voters and hispanic voters towards donald trump is she has made the argument that she wasn't president. >> she's not joe biden and it's notable the way that republicans have characterize the administration is being harris-biden when obviously at the top of that ticket is the president joe biden. so in a sense, just to follow his lead, i do want to ask you about about something that you pointed out there that you believe polls are trending toward president trump there is new polling that shows in pennsylvania specifically, were they both are today. there is no clear leader, but harris does have a slight edge. do you not put any stock in those polls look, i'm not a horse race analyst and the polls have proven wrong every election
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cycle in the past. >> but what i do see is a palpable sense of momentum that shifted right after the debate where there was again a media narrative lifting up kamala harris to now a sense on the ground where i'm traveling the swing state it's i was in pennsylvania myself with two events with donald trump last week from the time we land at all the way to the event, there were people lined up. we're talking about 30 plus miles all the way up to that arena. i've never seen something like that in my lifetime. think about an event we did over the weekend with the likes of tulsi gabbard, rfk, myself, ben carson. all four of us share something and in common is that we ran against donald trump for president, and we don't even all agree on everything, but have come together to stand for what i see. certainly is the basic rules of the road that are at stake in this election. >> sealing the border, growing the economy, staying out of world war iii reviving national pride, fighting the spate of law and order disruption in the country i think have a lot of the voters that say that, you know what, i may not agree with 100% of what donald trump says, but he's still going to be the candidate who better takes care of my better vision for this country.
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>> and i do think that that is what we're seeing in tangibly polls being all over the place aside, i do think there is a sense where donald trump is really expanding a gap with kamala harris. and i think even if people will look at people around her own camp the pain there is a sense of palpable concern about that as well. >> you mentioned something in response that caught my attention that you talked about trying to avoid world war iii. you've been outspoken in your belief that the defense industry is out of control and too often guiding policy in this country. i'm curious what you make of the biden administration we should announcing that they were sending these air defense missiles. these are different systems. i should say these dad systems to israel along with 100 american personnel. i imagine you might disagree with that well, look, i think that the question is the root cause of how we got to where we were in the first place is weakness in the white house. you look right now, americans wonder the same thing the rest of the world wonders when they look at the american white whitehouse, who's really in charge. and there isn't a clear answer to that question. >> and, when, you have that vacuum of leadership, that's
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when you see russia invading ukraine. >> that's when you see turmoil again in the middle east. when we were on the verge of major breakthroughs in the back of the abraham accords under president trump's leadership. now, look at where we are today on the brink of a major regional war. you look at other parts of the world, chinese aggression towards taiwan, the instability has risen isn't it? over the last four years and i think it's not a coincidence that it coincides with exactly the period where we had weak leadership from the white house. he talked earlier about kamala harris being separate from joe biden conveniently, so she's the person who said she was the last person in the room when many of those foreign policy decisions were made, including that disastrous botched egg exit from afghanistan, which i do think was the root cause for a lot of these foreign policy disasters that have followed was the execution of that exit from afghanistan, bring the military first-out rather than last hour, leaving from a civilian air force base rather than the military air force base. kamala harris, on her own terms, does own those decisions as the proverbial last person in the room when those decisions were
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made. and i think a lot of these foreign policy catastrophes, yes, including the instability in the middle east can trace itself to that weakness of decision-making. and that's what i do think that donald trump, if you're going to pick between the people who are running for us president, who's going to keep us out of world war iii. i think donald trump is unambiguously the correct answer to that question. >> it's fair to say that analysts have pointed out that that progress that was made with the abraham accords and the potential for israel to normalize relations with saudi arabia is ultimately what led to hamas's attack. nevertheless, i do have one more question for you this weekend, donald trump said that he expects chaos on election day from the enemy, from within. he talked about radical left lunatics. he suggested it's did that those folks should be handled by the national guard, possibly by the military. who do you think he was referring to well, the fact of the matter is we have a us president that in this period of two months has been the target of assassination attempts with disastrous security failures leading up to it. >> that's unconscionable in the united states of america, were skating on thin they're nice and i do think that donald trump, even after that event in
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butler, it was admirable. he could have gone in many different directions. ordinary people would have, but to call for calm and peace and a plume. i do think that that's what we need in a moment where we are skating on thin ice as a country i hope those two incidents are by far the worst of what we see this election season. and we're able to move forward for two more united country where we can say, you know what, we may disagree like hell at the dinner table, but we can still get together and have dinner at the end of it that's the america we miss and that'll trump people know him as somebody who can fight. but i also embedding on him as a president who can actually unite as somebody who has literally taken fire in a way that we we have not seen in a generation in american politics. and if we get it right in this moment, i hope we don't see it for many more generations to come so who is he referring to as somebody who has been shot at many times, there are a lot of lunatics out there who are carrying out heinous act that needs to end. we need to restore peace. we need to restore civility. we need to restore national self confidence in way that we're lacking today. and i do think that a unifying landslide
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that's what i'm rooting for of a kind we hadn't 1980 or 1984 with reagan i think that is a rare opportunity. we have to unite and strengthen our country. and i think that's what we're working hard to get through the finish line to make that happen. >> i just want to point out for the record, unlike the gentleman who attempted to take president trump's life in south florida, the butler shooter officials have said that his political leanings to this point are unclear as motive remains unclear. if you've ever miss swami, we have to leave the conversation there. we appreciate your perspective. >> thank you still to come, israel is vowing a forceful response after a hezbollah drone attack hits an army base north of tel aviv, killing four soldiers and injured injuring dozens more. >> all this while, as you just heard, the u.s. prepares to send israel an advanced anti-missile system. and american troops to operate it. as that mideast conflict escalates and later, nasa just launched the largest spacecraft that is ever built for a planetary mission, europa
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>> the drone strike is one of the deadliest attacks on israel in more than a year. israel is trying to determine how the drone got 40 miles into israeli territory without being spotted. cnn's nic robertson joins us now from jerusalem. nic, do they know yet how that drone slipped undetected pass israel's defense systems if they do know they're not saying it publicly. and part of that one would imagine is because they don't want to give it hezbollah a clue to how they might be ready next go round. but what the idf said last night was about 7:00 p.m. when the strike happened, they saw two drones crossed the border from lebanon they managed to intercept one loss side of the other one. there has been speculation that maybe the second drone, the one that actually struck maybe that went really low and it was hard for the aerial defense systems to pick up. it raises the question, is hezbollah using some kind of new drone technology to fly us drones lower on different routes. so, or whatever it may be after the attack, hezbollah claim that
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they've launched dozens of missiles to confuse the aerial defense system, right up there on the border. and then after that launched a swarm of drones. now the numbers that hezbollah is talking about, a swarm and dozens maybe an overstatement may just be part of their propaganda, but it does appear as if they've, they've intentionally set out to confuse the defense system here in israel. and i think on top of that, the question for israeli officials to has to be an irs how did hezbollah know precisely where to target? they hit the canteen when the canteen was busy at 7:00 p.m. dinner time. so they kind of had an idea about the timing for how did they know precisely where to hit and the idf actually has video at virtual video tour on its website of that idf base. and on that base it locates the canteen. so i think look, there's a lot of things for the idf to get into here. and i think they're going to take their security and information on this pretty
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carefully going forward okay. >> nic robertson. thank you for being on the ground for us with that update let's talk more about what the u.s. will be sending to israel with cnn military analyst, retired major general james spider marks spider great to see you. the biden administration plans to send as we just heard, about 100 troops to israel, those troops are tasked with operating that anti-missile defense system which can apparently strike down ballistic missiles from short to immediate intermediate. i should say ranch. so how do you categorize this new us commitment to israel know, the u.s has been in the region before twice before wants to the uae and once in support of israel during an exercise in 2019, and we would hope as the united states army doesn all our services do is we've acquired some lessons learned in terms terms of how to improve the interoperability
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between the thad system and what the israelis use. >> the combination of their iron dome david's sling and the arrow system. so this is i would say allison, this really thickens and provides a different an additional layer of protection for israel and also when you have radars that can at least exchange target data detection data, then you're going to improve your engagement criteria and engagement platforms as well. so i think it's a good idea, and let's not fool ourselves. look, iran in its proxies have not been bashful about going after us targets in the region. so yes, us soldiers on the ground will be at risk, but they have been in the past and they will be going forward. >> despite her, how does this thick? and as you say, the save the iron dome system? well, how is this? better well, i think as nick indicated the israelis don't know yet.
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>> they'll do a forensics on what just took place whether there was a swarm, whether there was a radar problem could have been a detection problem and what this does is this removed some of the concern about swarming or overwhelming the extent system that's in israel right now. this is another capability and also bear in mind this capability is that is connected to the ages system, which is what the u.s. navy uses. so not only do you have the thought on the ground, you have offshore the navy capability as well. >> so you just mentioned iran earlier. what, what do they do now? do they see this as a they see anything the united states does his provocation. >> i mean, it's a legitimate question what we have seen with the iranians is that they clearly do not want to get engaged directly against israel. they're, they're concerned about, i think legitimately describing an
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unintended success increasing the type of delivery that they can have against the israelis. and at some point he israelis are going to respond. we know it. they're increasing in refining their target package right now. they're going to respond in a way. and iran is going to feel some significant pain. i don't think the deployment of the fad alters their diet. they tehran's dynamic in terms of what they are trying to achieve going forward their relationship. look, their deterrence has been defined through the hezbollah, hamas, and who tie fighters that now has been attrited quite considerably. we're going to see more of the same. it's not as capable, albeit israel still is in the crosshairs. but it's an incredibly resilient nation. i mean, four soldiers killed yesterday, 64 severely wounded. look, they're going to tend to march along and continued to engage with these proxies appropriately. >> the fact that hezbollah managed to slip this drone past
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israel's defense system. what does that say about hezbollah? >> they're capable, but they still have capabilities the fact that a terrorist organizations still has a voice and still has some capability is exactly what they are looking for. they want to be able to sustain this type of what i would call these very precise engagements. they aren't sustainable over time it's not like this is the, this is probably what i would describe the end of the beginning of what we're going to see on the mideast for quite some time and hezbollah will continue to exist as willed him hamas, in an attrited and reduced state. so the folks that i mean, the way we view it right now is the way we're probably going to be able to view it going forward general spider marks. >> thank you for all the perspective thank you. >> awesome. >> coming up an armed man is arrested after allegedly threatening fema workers who are there to help victims of the devastating hurricane just
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let's bring in cnn's gabe cohen and cnn chief media analyst brian stelter. >> okay. what did this guy do to fema workers as so allison, the sheriff's office down there, he's saying that parsons they initially got a call about him on saturday afternoon saying that he was outside of a gas station making threats, saying he was going to harm female workers who were in the area for helene's recovery, passing out resources to people, and then just about not an hour later, parsons was located and then arrested in his car outside of a grocery store. that's being used right now as a relief site where people are getting donations, people are getting food. he had a couple of firearms on him, including a rifle. and as you mentioned, he has now been charged with going armed the terror of the public, a misdemeanor. we don't know the sheriff's office has not said that he was there specifically at that point to harm female workers, but it wasn't enough that fema called back a lot of its crews said we do not want
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these response teams going door to door. you're only to work in secure facilities where you have security around us and that is currently the situation right now. that's because they're worried about these threats and this arrest coincides with reports that came in of people, armed militias, saying that they were hunting fema. >> yeah, this is where it gets a little bit messy. so there was this washington post report yesterday that said there were concerns that national guard troops had encountered are militias that were claimed to be out there in western north carolina hunting for female workers. now, according to the sheriff's office, they say there were not these truckloads of armed militias that really this was a game of telephone and this was parsons that they were looking for. but again, it speaks to the heightened level of concern fema, these workers have been dealing with harassment, dealing with threats. and so it is it took very little for them to say we are now on high alert and we do not want people just out in these communities without security and safety.
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>> brian, it also of course speaks to the deluge of disinformation and misinformation that is surrounding these hurricanes from people with huge platforms such as former president trump and elon musk of x. and i mean, i don't even want to play what donald trump said over the weekend because i don't want to give it more oxygen on the airwaves for people who are susceptible to it like that guy who was just arrested, but it's impossible for female workers to be doing fact-checking while trying to save lives yeah, here's the way i think about it. donald trump, any elon musk are at the top of the funnel of the outrageous lies. trump has been saying for weeks that the biden-harris administration is failing the people in north carolina has not so subtle claim is that democrats are letting republicans die on social media sites like x, a little bit further down the funnel, there are crazy conspiracy twora theories about female workers trying to hurt citizens, maybe even tried to kill people. those crazy conspiracy theories. it is a little bit like a game of telephone online
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rumors that spread and spread and spread. but the funnel is all connected and trump at the top of the funnel makes those conspiracy theories more believable. we saw cbs polling over the weekend showing most trump i'm voters believe his lies about the federal response to the hurricanes so what can be done to stop the threats? >> and two persuade folks that these federal agencies aren't out to get them i grew up a mentor named david carr who taught me that the solution to pour journalism is more journalism. i always think about that slogan, even in this age of social media in the disinformation age, where very poisoned environment have more information, right? the government is trying in this case, for example, the fema administrator to get out accurate information to display tell some of the lies. but lies and liars and lawbreakers oftentimes win in the court of public opinion. so ultimately these cases have to fall to actual physical courts. think about january 6, and the huge federal response trying to hold people accountable for those crimes. most of the
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accountability for those lies has been in the actual court system. i think that's what why was important to see this arrest today as well in north carolina, it's another example of how to hold people accountable when disinformation actually leads to real-world harm yeah, and gave it's also helpful when local republicans break with donald trump and have to tell their community, don't listen to this this is not true. >> family is here to help you. we've seen some of them. yeah. we heard that from chuck edwards, who was a congressman in western north carolina a republican who put out a fact check last week, and it was stunning reading through this fact check where he's telling people know the government is not manufactured actually in the weather, they have no plans to bulldoze your communities that have been affected here. they have not given away all female relief money to undocumented immigrants and again, this is a republican congressman in this syria. but this is what people are hearing and look, there's also a major concern not just for the safety of these female employees, not just for the people who are now
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questions you may have called now and will come to you, aidan brynn, eight a21, 4,000 breaking news in to cnn, at least six new lawsuits filed today in new york accusing sean "diddy" combs of sexual assault against men, women, and a 16-year-old boy. cnn's elizabeth wagmeister is following this story for us, elizabeth, what are the details here? >> so i'm very graphic details. boris and i do want to note, i have reached out to combs, his team, have not heard back yet, but these are six brand new lawsuit just filed today, coming from houston-based attorney tony buzbee, who i interviewed a few weeks ago. you may remember this was the attorney who alleged that he had at least yes, 120 victims that were going to come forward with suits against combs. and these are the first six of these suits that he alleged and told us that he was going to be filing. now, one of these lawsuits comes from a john doe who alleges that he was 16-years-old at the time. he
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says that in 1998 that he was at a white party. one of diddy's infamous parties in the hamptons in new york. and he alleges that he was sexually assaulted by combs there. now, another lawsuit if coming from a jane doe who alleges that she was 19-years-old. she was a college student. she alleges that she was raped by combs back in 2000 2004 at an after-party for a photo shoot and a hotel room. another one of these suits, an allegation coming from 1995 from another jane doe who says that she was violently attacked by combs, who in this suit she alleges through her up against a wall, so that she fell and was was hurt. and that is when he raped her according to this allegation. now, as you said, these coming from both men and women there are four john doe's to jane doe's in these six new lawsuits. again, no comment yet from combs, but i do want to state that he has
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denied all wrongdoing from the civil suits that have come out. i by my count, i believe that we now have 18 civil suits that are against combs, but there is one that has been settled that is the one that came from his ex girlfriend, cassie, back in november of last year, and elizabeth, one more thing as we read through some of these reports right now, it sounds like some of these jane or john doe's actually told people at the time of the incident that is a common theme that is coming up in some of these lawsuits. >> whether that was telling employers one of these lawsuits comes from a male john doe, who alleges that he was at a macy's when he was allegedly sexually assaulted? by combs and he says that he told his employer and then was fired after. now in that case, we have reached out to macy's. we have not heard back, but allison, you are correct that in these lawsuits, some of these people did say that they did make various reports whether that was to an employer
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or otherwise yeah, significant pieces of evidence in these cases, elizabeth wagmeister. thanks so much for the update still ahead, the new mission to one of jupiter's moon will it support life? stay with us gump, you know, if you like tom hanks, robin wright could end the night here you, man, and wife here in theaters. november 1st, we do pizza. >> this is colombia, a very beautiful country. we now wondered what is behind so much i just covered something. i
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consultation, again, that's 1871 to 3,800 3,803 to ignition and lift off taking off today from florida? it's mission is to study the ice covered ocean of its namesake, jupiter's europa moon to see if it could be habitable for life, as we know, it is clipper is going to travel 1.8 billion miles over the span of about 5.5 years.
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today's lift off marks the largest spacecraft nasa has ever built for a planetary mission like this one. let's discuss with professor of astrophysics at the university of rochester and the author of the little book of aliens adam frank. adam. thanks so much for coming on with us. what are your thoughts on this launch super excited. >> the everybody is all excited about mars, mars, mars, mars, but really, really exciting place for life in the universe or in the solar system is these ocean covered moon. there's a bunch of them bunch of moons orbiting saturn and jupiter that have subsurface oceans with ice or icy mud on top. and since we think water is really essential for life, these things have more water than the earth does so getting a chance to study these up close is really important that professor, if it's an ice covered ocean, how is it going to be habitable for humans? >> yeah that's interesting.
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well, it's not really so much for humans that we're interested in. it's whether or not life has formed anywhere else in the universe. so the real question here is under that ten miles of ice is 100 mile deep ocean. and is it possible that over billions of years life, has formed in those oceans and perhaps there's a complex ecosystem there. you know, we don't know whether or not there's life anywhere else in the universe except on earth. so finding an example in our own solar system would change the course of history. >> no, no question about that kind of a basic question though. how do you figure out if there's life underneath all that ice because that's ten miles deep billion question or however much the spacecraft cost, you know what you really want to do is you want to land like a nuclear reactor and just have it melt its way through the ten myelitis. >> but that's probably 100 years from now being able to do so what we'll do now is we're
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going to orbit, come send this spacecraft and have it get very close as it flies around the moon. >> europa and we're going to look for cracks in the ice where we see that it's like icebergs that are constantly shifting buckling and what we think that there's water upwelling from the ocean to the top of the ice. and that may carry chemical signals of what's going on below. so this first step is to as the spacecraft passes, do deep spectroscopic imaging, all kinds of scientific interests tremendous to tell something about what's going on on the surface of the ice. and maybe that'll tell us what's going on ten miles below. >> i don't want to wait 5.5 years. >> do you think do you think that it's i mean, how possible do you think it is? i think it's really possible you know, it's one of the most dominant theories of how life formed on earth was deepen the oceans in what we call deep thermal
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vents, places where magma from deepen the earth, the heat comes up and then all with that heat when it reaches the ocean? in bottom, it comes up and you get all kinds of chemical shenanigans there, which may have started biochemistry. so on europa, because the gravity of jupiter is so strong, you're constantly squishing the inside of europa like a silly putty so that means you have a lot of keeping generated. so you could get these deep-sea thermal vents in europa at the bottom of that hundred mile deep ocean. and maybe the same processes happen there. so it's really possible that life may have formed inside these you at the bottom of these oceans. and then, who knows? >> who knows what shenanigans are going on underneath the rope was ten mile ice surface adam quickly, what are some of the milestones nasa is going to be looking for as this clipper gets closer to jupiter yeah. well, i mean, with the mission
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like this, it's so complicated that you're just going to have to test out all the equipment. there's going to be actually a couple of fly-bys of mars even come back around the earth. you don't get to that deepen the solar system. we end up swinging around various planets and getting energy from them to boost them two get all the way to jupiter. so each one of those orbital corrections is very important, very dangerous. you could lose the spacecraft and then the thing about jupiter, its environment is so dangerous, there's so much radiation, like 20,000 times more radiation than the earth environment. so just getting the spacecraft to serve five in that environment is going to be one of the major hurdles that the mission is going to have to overcome. >> that is so neat, i feel like we just learned so much. adam frank. thank you so much for joining us. >> my pleasure i love it because he also puts it into our language like silly putty sense that shenanigans and sleep when i understood, love a good shenanigans next, if you
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