he bit someone, but he nibble nibble that the zoo keeper, nothing big, nothing serious go ahead, scott. all right. >> tonight, i just wanted to acknowledge christopher columbus since apparently everyone else is trying to cancel villainize. this man, why can't we do both celebrate, both indigenous peoples and columbus? why does history have to be reduced to a zero sum game? happy columbus day to everyone why? because of the words of great american historian tony soprano, he discovered america is what he did. he was a brave italian explore and in the jennings household christopher columbus as a hero. end of story country where millions of people have already lived okay ashley i'll also close with saying happy the indigenous people day on my hot take, pop

the balloon. okay, so if you don't know if the internet sensation jayden gave, sometimes i just wished our politics was this simple and i could just pop trump's balloon and he would go away in this elect election because i'm over it. i'm over at 22 days. we got to get this done and republican should want his balloon will be popped to that billing. >> if you are likely to know what this was about everyone. thank you very much. thank you for watching newsnight election just three weeks from tomorrow, vice president harris is speaking right now, expected shortly to call out the former president's focus on what he calls the enemy within, meaning the americans and his promise to use troops to deal with them. >> also tonight, bill clinton weighs in on a notorious murder and the undocumented immigrant accused of it putting the harris campaign on the defense defensive. and later the parents of hersh goldberg-polin, a 23-year-old israeli american hostage, murdered a month-and-a-half ago by hamas. speak at good evening. thanks for joining us.

we begin tonight with breaking news. both candidates campaigning the evening in pennsylvania, donald trump near philadelphia vice president harris across the commonwealth in erie speaking right now and expect it any moment to speak out against what donald trump has been saying louder and louder as election day gets closer about americans it's the enemy from within all those scum that we have to deal with that haydar country that's a bigger enemy china and russia that's the former president talking on friday to be perfectly clear about americans. and over the weekend, he spoke openly about how he might deal with such people. this was how he answered when asked about outside threats, the 2024 election, he quickly changed the subject to americans we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left lunatics. >> and i think there it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military again, he was asked

about foreign threats to the election. >> his answer was about potentially turning active duty troops on american something his running mate was asked about today and here's what he had to say. >> is, it a justifiable use of those assets if they're rioting and looting and burning cities down to the ground. of course it is, right? i think the question is is it a justifiable use of assets depends on what what's actually happening so for perspective, according to the brennan center for justice, the last time active duty troops were deployed on us soil was during the 1992 rodney king riots in los angeles, where the former president seems to be talking about is using troops against people protesting his election. >> he also is used military stick language about non-existing gang invasions of colorado otto i will rescue aurora and every town that has been invaded and conquered, these counts have been conquered explain that to your governor. he doesn't have a clue. >> they've been conquered both colorado's democratic governor and auroras republican mayor called the invasion, talk

nonsense. >> perhaps his comments will be dismissed by a summons hyperbole, but it come on the eve of the publication of bob woodward's new book in which the former joint chiefs chairman mark milley, who served during the trump administration described trump is quote, a fascist to the core to which woodward writes, quote, i will never forget the intensity of his worry joining us now cnn political commentators van jones and david urban also politico's meridith mcgraw. so van do you think it's an effective strategy for harris to be focusing on these remarks from the former president i, think it's an important strategy because i do think that the stakes are getting higher and higher. you're seeing donald trump be increasingly disinhibited i mean, he's always been kind of out there a little bit rough, but increasingly, he is talking about using violence against americans in pursuit of his agenda and defensive his agenda it's not hard to say that you don't want russia and china messing up our elections. somebody asked you that question. that's, it's an opportunity to stick up for america on the world stage and

says, instead, he says he wants to hurt americans this is, this is troubling. this is not, i don't think i think he arrows would be wrong if she didn't point out that for the first time we have a candidate running for office who seem to be more interested and using american military against americans. that it gets foreign threats david, i mean, do you really believe that the quote-unquote threat from within rather like a leftist, is much greater than the threat of china and russia now, so anderson, let's just be fair and van to be fair the president, what i believe to was responding to a question posed by the host saying, if there was violence after the election what would you, do it? and trump responded, you're national guard can take care of it in an extreme cases, the military could to put it in context. let's just be fair. that was there's contexts these questions so it's not like he's out there saying that i'm going to unleash the military on van jones were to

come knock on your door and lock up. it's not this is not what he said and take that even to take it one step further. do you remember in 2016 the chants of lock her up and that trump from the podiums and he's going to put hillary clinton in jail and the anderson to your point, hyperbole? yes. hillary clinton was not persecuted, prosecuted there was no trial unlike the trial and the persecution that took place at donald trump. and the fake russia collusion hoax that was perpetrated by the dnc after that election. alright. >> by the way, i think harris is now talking about this. let's just play this heard his words coming from him he's talking about the enemy within pennsylvania he's talking about the enemy within our country, pennsylvania he's talking about that he considers anyone who doesn't support him

or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country >> he's saying he's saying that you would use the military to go after them. think about this and we know who he would target and we know who he would target because he has attacked them before journalists whose stories he doesn't like election officials who refuse to cheat by filling extra votes and finding extra votes for him. judges who insist on following the law instead of bending to his will this is among the reasons. >> i believe so strongly that a second trump term would be a

huge risk for america and dangerous that's harris speaking, live about this very topic, meredith. what do you make of her? the way she is talking about it well, here we are just weeks away from november 5 and the election and donald trump has given the harris campaign fresh fodder to talk about in the closing weeks at a moment when he has continued to have an edge on the economy and polling he's repeated now this enemies from within phrase at aurora in california, in his interview with maria bartiromo on fox he's even talked about how one of those enemies from within is california congressman adam schiff and at a time when the campaigns are making closing arguments he gave them political gift here with bringing up this phrase repeatedly and allowing the harris campaign to plow ahead.

>> i heard that the campaign is planning to cut that into a new ad that's featuring former trump administration officials talking about the threat that donald trump poses and so he, him bringing this up is giving, giving them a political gift right now, van are in david is saying, look, this is about what he's saying is if there's violence after an election national guard can be called in that that's you know, that's not context first of all, though, only violence after election that we saw was january. >> the january insurrection that he egged on. look, i people can kind of keep whistling past the graveyard that sort of stuff. you're having military officials who have worked with this president coming out in a way. i've never seen usually americans military stays out of this stuff. you have generals and former military people saying,

this guy is dangerous, it's not just kamala harris who's running for office and maybe it's an well, maybe she's just trying to make political hay. you have people who have no reason to say anything who get nothing out of this waving their arms, jumping up and down, saying i work with this guy. and i think that he's dangerous when you have general milley saying he is a fascist to the core he's not a democrat. he's not a kamala harris campaign. he's not from the aclu. this is what of the toughest, roughest generals we've ever had. who's terrified of donald trump? if donald trump is throwing fuel on the fire, david, do you what would you put much credence in a general milley general kelly, i mean, you're i know you're a west pointer yeah. >> look, i have a great deal of admiration for mark milley's a good friend of mine general kelly, i have a great deal admiration for all these men and for different reasons they have their opinions and they are entitled to their opinions i don't share those opinions and i know there are lots of other people in uniform who served with the president other general officers who served with him and served closely

with him that don't share that opinion are standing with them right now. so amazing about america's everyone's entitled to their opinion and everyone's entitled to their vote on election day. so, you know, mark milley and i see each other. we have this debate in real life, in real time, vann and we don't, we don't agree about it and we're still friends just like you and i are amazing meredith, the foreperson is rhetoric. >> i mean, it doesn't seem to be hurting him in the polls, certainly in this election remains obviously he's essentially tied that's got a concern. the harris campaign well, we know that this this election is going >> the polling could not be tighter. and we've seen in recent days how the harris campaign is deploying former president clinton, former president barak obama to try to gin up some support among the black male voters that they've seen some of the polling has eroded but look, it's going to be incredibly close, really tight, and both campaigns are really trying to chip away at really narrow margins of

support here van, what do you think that that support has has chipped away well, i think that african-american men are, are hurting and uncertain like a lot of folks in the country. >> and i think have a particular set of concerns that haven't been addressed now, i always tried to point out that the vast, overwhelming majority of black men and above 80% are going to vote for kamala harris, either like almost like north korea level numbers now she has massive support from african americans is just less than before. and i'm actually pretty proud of african-america n men from saying we want to hear more specifics. we don't want to just bow part because she's black. we don't want to vote for it because she's a woman when a boat parked, she's going to hell help us feed our families. she's going to make america strong in a way that makes our community strong. and she responded today and i think that's great, that she actually responded to those concerned. and i think you're going to see people began to move back in democratic party direction. but african american men have real problems. and just like everybody else, we

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laken riley's murder allegedly by an undocumented man from venezuela agreed to go >> well, if they'd all been properly vetted, that probably wouldn't not happen that doesn't have america is not having enough babies to keep our population so we need to do work the trump campaign was quick to catholic comments as an indictment of the vice president's handling the border issues, the harris campaign pointing to the bipartisan border bill, the former former president trump, that is, but that was after laken riley's alleged killer entered the united states joining us now is former california republican lieutenant governor able maldonado also republican strategist and harris supporter, and a varault is bill clinton, rusty out there on the campaign trail. >> was this an error?

>> okay. thank you. can take anything anybody says, even people as eloquent as barak obama, as eloquent as bill clinton, take it out of context and make it into a gotcha moment. i had seen the entire the entire clip of what he had said and he spent the time before this talking about the border bill that did not pass the point he was making is if we don't want laken riley's to happen again, we need to pass comprehensive border bill. we need to have an immigration bill that provides more agents, that provides more jurisdiction, that provides charges for judges letting people are vetted and people that's that's the point he was making that listen, anytime you have the big dog bill clinton out in rural areas, he has great at that. one of the things he said was, i asked the harris campaign to send me to the country. i know where i belong. i know what my people are. he is great for voter turnout, able do you think he

is? >> i think he's a little rusty to be very sincere with you. i think we didn't have bidding at the border president trump's last year in office border crossings were way down, but nobody, but in terms of vetting, i mean, you know, i mean, everybody agrees there are not enough judges doing these asylum claims and what it's like a seven year wait under the trump administration, it's like a seven and your weight that's ridiculous but i think we need to remember too. >> anderson, that when president biden came in and kamala harris came in, the very first hundred days, they sent a lot of executive orders, a lot of him on immigration which caused catch and release eliminated, remain in mexico policy. so what happened was people started crushing the border her anderson and they just sit on the ground. they'd wait for border patrol agent to pick them up and then they'd go good to the processing 72 hours a processing fee our time and then they go back. they sent somewhere in our country waiting for a court date. there was zero vetting, right? right. won't occur for years because this system is so backlogged,

which again the harris campaign is plenty out is you need a an actual border bill that gets more judges that actually narrows the window of vetting from seven years to ours, the border was secure. anderson so when they say they need a booster unable when border numbers were now when, you know, a panic cia under, under trump less and we want to talk real facts. >> let's talk had issues under practically every precedent. >> our lifetime. and we need comprehensive immigration reform if we're going to address this in a way, we need bipartisan, comprehensive immigration reform, which was what this bill was. and let me tell you about, okay? bill clinton may not be the bill clinton of 20 years ago, but you know what kamala harris has every able democratic former precedent out there for her donald trump doesn't even have his wife next to him. donald trump has no former president because they don't like him, not even the former nominee, mitt romney, not george w bush,

not, you know, any of the republican leaders that you supported and i supported are out there with donald trump? >> the party has gotten rusty over nothing there any day of the week the party has completely changed. this is donald j. trump's party. there's no doubt about it. >> i absolutely agree with the people are supporting him in huge numbers, latinos. i mean, did you ever think that 44% of latinos are supporting donald j. trump that was going on today. i african-american hurricane community supporting donald j. why? because his policies worked and they lived under his policies, honor. they lived under his policies. and now today today been able community is being choked by inflation. >> but let's look at the poll numbers are talking about the latest new york times sienna college poll likely latino voters, harris at 56 it's percent trump at 37%, which is a much lower margin for a democratic nominee that they've had over the past three elections. >> look, i think there's a lot of things going on. one of the

things that i found really interesting about that poll also was that the majority of the tainos think that when donald trump is making anti-immigrant remarks and when he's making talking with racial slurs and the things he says that we all have heard him say they think it doesn't apply to them and i i have a really hard time understanding that because i, you know, when the shooter showed up at a walmart in el paso and shot 22 people. and then there were another 22 victims. he didn't stop to ask the people if they were legal or have they were undocumented. he just shot people because they look like latinos and he went to el paso because there was more latinos went and he was hunting down latinos, inspired by anti-immigrant rhetoric and so to me it boggles the mind that somebody who looks like you, who looks like me, who sounds like you, who sounds like me. think that when he is making anti-immigrant racial offenses, it doesn't apply, but i want

to give you the last time i think i think anderson when president trump is talking, he's talking about criminal folks that are being sent to our country. we're not you're not talking about latinos that are coming here to work hard. there's a process to come here to work race. >> this is going to ask you for your immigration papers that races is going to ask you for your immigration patterns. >> anna, do you think that's dinos believed? >> they know the president is not a racist business. that's why that's why he got investigated by doj for some 47 that means eye on that that means you're okay with racism, doesn't mean he's not resolutely, never leave it there as navarro. thank you april mogen appreciate as well coming up next talking politics in what may be the most pro-trump county in all the 2024 swing states will take you there look at the news of the week and asked questions like, what does a comedy show doing on cnn? >> and people have spoken i

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open democrat and frankly, county, georgia, where trump won more than 90% of votes in 2020 of all the counties and all the 2024 swing states. >> it's the most pro-trump and we wanted to know why we vote 90% republican, not because anything wrong hamlin's okay, let's get that on the board. this plane about me we're a small rural county. lot of folks here live paycheck to paycheck and wonder too much month at the end of the money. people vote when her wallet i want point john, the democratic party was for the working man and the republican party was for all the elites. and somewhere that got switched around. >> this is some of that stuff. >> everybody here calls him president trump as far as the people in the round here is concerned, he's still the president democrats didn't used to be rare here. almost everyone we spoke to said the grandfather had been one, but those days are gone numbers do not lie. >> watching people five and six years ago, they have successful businesses. they were thriving, they were doing well every time

somebody comes as kevin will have to close it, relatively hearts. >> hendricks got a heat pressed to make customer t-shirts, and it turned out that one kind of design really helps pay the bills. >> i've learned how to put it on my computer and kind of change things as long as i can still sell donald trump stuff. >> we doing good. >> there just $5 $5.01 of her customers was sherry raul we met her while she was buying a trump's and she said we could come sea or put it up her grandson tallinn died in an accident december before he could vote in his first election he did loving son trying to get eight time so it could about 15lb overturn or you just got us first job and he was like, i make, you know, $9 an hour now work this many hours. why do i only make this much money? and i told him i said x1, it's politics. you got to pay taxes. talent became really intrigued with it and started doing some more research. and he said, dad, looking at what me and you talked about, we need donald trump in office and he just became a huge trump supporter.

>> his parents said he would want people to know he was for trump. and so they put the sign up because he's not here to say it himself buying china's pretty fight is on from trump to biden even vacancy. >> the difference even the kids. >> yeah. i can take they have a and you just look at the process. i don't know where you come from, but can compared to what we've had four years ago is triple. >> there's some statistics that show that younger women are more likely to be for harris. do you see any evidence of that here in this county? >> i don't really in this county, but i do know some younger females there are very much a harris person and i mean, i'm not against sir, if i thought she'd be going to different than what was already in there in like, she should have come out running independent that i might well listen to her a little more ron him invited us to breakfast the next day at a diner were regulars talk politics when binding claim that he had more jobs and created more jobs

that's only because of corona because everything shut down. >> that was not trump's bulk of the jobs report numbers were really good for september that just came well, the american people should numbers you think, take that and give credit. the washington, dc you get creative to that, to the american people will they go to work every day even when they down, even when it's against me, even when it's when it's going up peel we get up and we continue to work. we continue to fight and we've made this country later today. nobody in washington got a ride. they take credit for what the american people have done, but we didn't want to leave town without hearing a different point of view so they called some old friends just to come by in the run-up some folks will be able to talk and tell him to hurry up. i want to go fishing he made me do it this is a real i'll see cnn reporter is you want for me to democrat and rapid deli counter

you are there? >> you don't recall of you and all i have been what are your views? >> i know vote for a criminal. >> well, what he did in january 6 and the way he could have in stopped man i will make no num got down there where's you up? there are other democrat can join she's a cnn reporter and he won't. some democrats and brand identities, he can't find one i told her i knew a couple. she said please call or pleases you wouldn't quit until us. >> thank you. >> i have voted with bob again. >> yeah. yeah. i'd love for the man. i don't love for their holiday so what are your thoughts on the election? >> for my thoughts on what on the election night, the most think about it you're going to vote for correct person.

>> believes in the right person. be donald trump. >> okay. tell me why last time you saw him talking, did you watch his lips are moving? >> he's lying all right. >> well, so mr. wilson here was telling us that january 6 was a big disqualifier for him, shouldn't have been what how do you feel about that bill about like he's anti anti-american. >> he tried to overthrow our government and so are you thinking about voting for harris? >> yeah, i have to or not vote. >> he the only john wheeler than drunk. >> yeah. >> it's probably around ai vote for him you know what's nice is that they're your own friendly and, you know, they were they called them, asked him to come over. oh, yeah. this was one of the nicest places we've ever reported from places where there have been more closely divided gotten yelled dad, i've been school well, they'd but

everybody here is really, really nice to. >> so what else stood out? i mean in terms of their economic concerns, what are they? >> well, i of course i wanted to ask them, what did they think of the democrats ideas for addressing the economic problems in the area? what did they think about raising taxes on rich people, something like that. they are not impressed et, are older people. there concerned about their kids not doing so well, they want to pass stuff down to their kids. and david here on the demand with the big beard, he said he ran a trucking company on paper. he's worth $10 so he didn't want his staff to pay highest state tax is for his assets. >> elie reid. thanks so much appreciate it up next. >> it's been more than a month since the israeli military confirmed that hersh goldberg goldberg-polin, an israeli american held hostage in gaza, was first time since his murder, i'll speak to his parents who have fought tirelessly for his release. >> this source with kaitlan collins tonight at nine when

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october 7. i first learned about him a few days afterward when an idf soldier showed me this video of a young man being loaded into a pickup truck, his hand had been blown off. i didn't know it was hersh who's israeli american until a few days later when i happened to interview his parents. at the time they were unaware of the video existed and they didn't even know if he was alive. i called them after the interview to tell them what i'd seen and i sent them the video since then, i've spoken to hersh's parents a number of times in april, a propaganda video was released by hamas showing hersh he was, he urged his family to stay strong and gave proof that he was alive. but at the beginning of september, the israeli military said they recovered the bodies of six hostages, were murdered by hamas, including hirsch's. earlier today, for the first time since his death, i spoke with his parents, rachel and jon jon and rachel. thank you so much for talking to me. it's been it's been a month and a half since you learned the news that hersh had been

it's been killed along with other hostages what are the last what's the last month-and-a-half been like for you well i mean, i think anybody who suffers a trauma loss as some sense of what we're really what we're going through i'm not trying to compare us to anybody else in trauma, but what is different here is, as you know, well, anderson, for 330 days, we were on a global campaign to save the life of persian other hostile it we knew that they were suffering. we knew that there have being held in terrible conditions. we can talk more about that, but we were on a mission all day every day and we believed our own optimism. we really thought we are bringing him home. we look forward, anderson tu meeting hirsch and to get the news on

august 31, that they found six bodies including hirsch's, was just such a crushing blow and we are still grappling with it. >> we are we are oddly blessed because there are hostage families who know that their loved ones were killed and their bodies are still being held. and they were not able to give them, at least yet a proper, respectful burial. so were grateful that we got hirsch's body and that we're able to give him that respect but it's it's crushing optimistic, so hopeful. so focused. >> they have an end like this i i imagined meaning him as well, and i imagine him getting on a plane on december 27 of this year. >> which he was supposed to do december 27, last year for a trip to india and i imagined all of that i'm i'm i'm

stunned i guess not surprised, but it's done and just so sad and for your loss and the loss of so many rachel, for you. what is this been like well, i think that in order to get through the 11 months before day 330 i was using so much psychological suppression in order to function. >> you know, there was so much trauma and terror that we were experiencing as parents of someone there that i was shoving all of this emotion and fear and as suitcases and shoving those suitcases into a room and not

dealing with that because we were in battle, we were on a mission and in order to function, i had to suppress so much so i don't want to look back at those 11 months. i don't want to unpack those suitcases. i also don't want to look ahead at what does life look like without hersh in it so i'm kind of trapped in this very immediate present and i'm just trying to get through each day. i think we are in the first centimeter of 1 million miles journey of how do we get through the rest of our lives? >> urinating and missing our son. i was looking at the calendar. it's been it was october 16 last year that you and i spoke for the first time. today's october 14 and i'm i

really meant what i said. i to come home what can we do their public campaign in our in our apartment with our two daughters literally signing what it was going to be when we brought them home. what would the family look like what would the celebration look like like were getting into those details? >> and you know, we've said this elsewhere, but maybe maybe our optimism was something, that drove influencers to lack urgency to feel like he's going to come home at some point somehow. >> and mail-in fact, maybe

maybe it was to infectious and it just it made them the urgency that they needed i don't know. >> i really feel blessed that i was hersh's mom for as long as i was and although obviously this is the first you know moments in this lifetime of how do you live with something that's really big and painful and not let it sort of drown you i really we've really made the choice that we really would like to not just exist what we want to live. we want to live for our girls. >> and the truth is, i want to live for hersh i want to live the life that her should've lived and that's a life filled with love and happiness and light. >> and we will always have this deep, you know

it's still possible to have that boyd and two be, happy and, choose life. i do think that i was talking to my daughter's about it today and we spoke to yoni levy about that the other day. we said i said on her unholy podcast that people walked out of auschwitz and then went on to have good lives. and some people walked out of auschwitz and they never left had we had a weird thing, anderson, where last year, saturday night, october 7 at midnight, i walked in from the police station where i've been dropping out dna samples and remember that saturday night, we assumed person was dead and we had the chance to sit in a room and cry and talk and say then if he's dead we're gonna

mourn. >> we're going to grieve but we have the live life eventually for ourselves, for our girls and for hersh and then it in erie way, we had the exact same conversation sunday, september 1st, 331 days later 330 days in between of optimism and hope the next more of my conversation with the parents of hersh goldberg polin, what they've learned about his time in captivity coming up hunt. next ever worry that you're drinking too much take back control with, or health, or health provides access to medication proven to help. >> a daily pill to drink less when drinking altogether. qualified for treatment and for health.com i had no idea. >> i was still paying for it.

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break, we shared part of my conversation with hersh goldberg-polin parents about the grief they've been experiencing since learning that hersh was murdered in a tunnel in gaza. here's more of our interview john, have you learned more about hersh's time as a hostage >> so what we've learned is it least towards the end of his captivity, and we don't know for exactly how long hersh and five others lax ovary, a-m-o-c, karmiel and eddin were held in a tunnel 65 feet underground. a tunnel that was just over two feet wide and five-and-a-half feet tall? hersh's six feet tall, so he and most of the others could not stand in this tunnel there was hardly any air, no light, no plumbing, no real floor. i mean, it was a tunnel the six bodies were

found in a tunnel, but had six narrow mattresses that we can only assume that when they were able to get any sleep, they would line them up. head to toe because that's the only way they could possibly fit. >> and we know we know the conditions in which these bodies were found. >> the bodies were found on saturday, august 31, the belief is that they were killed roughly two days earlier on thursday, august 29 gunshot wounds and all had suffered severe weight loss. hershu as i said, was just about six feet tall, came out at 115 pounds egg in a five foot five woman, 24-years-old, came out at 79 pounds and on and on non similar stories across all of them. >> we also know that the in the tunnel, they were surrounded by

bottles of you're in that when they had to go to the bathroom, they would go in these bottles and so there were many, many bottles of very dark you're in showing how dehydrated they were we know that they were starving because they were all completely emaciated at the toward one end of the tunnel. they had put a plastic bucket for you know, some sort of privacy when they had to use the bathroom, not for you're in conditions are horrifying and that is so much of you know, john was describing some of the happened to her, but we have spoken extensively to forensic experts who've sort of dissected for the report of what happened specifically to hersh, and it looks that you

know, his left hand had been had been missing since he was abducted on october 7 last year, but it seems that when he was being shot, that he had put up as a defense his both arms. so bullet went through his right hand then into his neck and then out of the side of his head it looks that then he supposedly he was standing, crouched over because of course he couldn't stand up straight because he was too tall to stand in the five foot five tunnel. they think that then he dropped to his knees and then he was shot with the gun on his head. the back of his head, which exited the top of his head and he was found on his knees two days later and eddin yerushalmi was

resting her head was resting on his side or on his lap, and she had also been shot multiple times as head all four others. rachel and jon. is there anything else you want to say or you want people to know finished were in the part of the jewish calendar. >> where we just finished very somber, serious rosh hashanah is the judgment day and then we have a ten-day period between russia, china, and yom kippur war, which is the day of atonement, which was just on saturday. and we have a very big idea of how does one repent when someone feels that they have done something not not hitting the mark, correctly. >> and the way that you do that in judaism is when you find

yourself in that same situation next it's time. do you choose to do differently? >> and we've had so many people say to us that they are so sorry and they feel so bad about what happened to her and these other five beautiful young people. >> and we have said to everyone, don't be sorry. go save the 101 so as people from all over the world, people have power and influence from all different countries. people in the negotiating room, people adjacent to the negotiating room, i would just beseech, you go and get these people rachel goldberg and jon polin. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> thank you. anderson. >> the news continues right here on cnn right now on cnn this morning he