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election right here is a fight for the future. >> we are going to win the state of georgia >> we're going to take a look the must-win peach state, georgia kicks off early voting today, and then the border debate, the trump campaign focusing on bill clinton's words about immigration to use them to their advantage. >> florida republican congressman byron donalds joins us live on the state of the race with just three weeks to go >> a live look at new york city on this tuesday morning and good morning, everyone. i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to be with you. we are if you can believe it, just 21 days out from election day early voting begins today in one of the critical swing states, georgia former president bill clinton in the last democrat before joe biden to flip that state blue campaign in the peach state for kamala harris yesterday you

have to realize it is literally possible that's the whole election could be decided. here it is possible there are there are seven states where are the election is too close to call one of them know, is perhaps more important than the rest. both kamala harris and donald trump campaigned in pennsylvania yesterday. harris going after trump for his recent comments referring to some americans as quote enemies from within donald trump is increasingly unstable and unhinged that's what he's looking for. he wants to send the military after american citizens so there's harris on the one hand, donald trump on the other

hand turn because event into a dance party yesterday after two people suffered medical emergencies at the event go and vote. let me hear that music plays and thank out. >> i should >> go ahead. let's go nice and loud say there appear to be some confusion about what was happening while he was up there on the stage. our panel's here, jonah goldberg cnn political commentator, co-founder of the dispatch, elliot williams, cnn legal analysts, former federal prosecutor, kate bedingfield, former white house communications director, and a cnn political commentator and brad todd, republican strategist and a partner in on message, welcome to all of you maybe we should.

>> i bring back a little bit more ymca. we could put a little bit or do you there? >> put on music for 52 minutes and just looking at the joy, can see them, but you have all these balloons up here. you never know we should put some blue. they'll be fine. >> but seriously, i mean, i'm interested in this because i mean, i don't even know how many dozens, hundreds of campaign events i have covered in my career. i have never seen anything like this. i've never seen a candidate do anything like this. >> it's strange it up with taking questions and went with an unorthodox way of getting around taking questions what i think this whole election, we're getting that the contrast you're seeing between these campaigns is that i think the harris people for understandable reasons are very frustrated that most americans were half of america doesn't see the donald trump that they see. >> their, their basic argument is look at the guy who actually is there, not the guy that you haven't stalled, you're four

for the pre-covid economy. and that's a very hard argument to make. because people think they're eyewitnesses to what the next trump presidency is going to be like. and i think it'd be a different residence. and moreover, those of you who are nostalgic for the trump presidency and the trump economy. >> you're forgetting all of the other things that come along with when trump as president, even if you have these fond memories of what your pocketbook looked like at the time, do you remember 2020? do you remember what america was like? do you remember how you felt at the time there was a lot of craziness and silliness that we saw here. but again, i think there's that frustration that something is not coming through to that whatever percentage of americans just aren't let's see what those an analyst, i look at the juxtaposition there and the campaign is having the most fun usually is the one that feels best about itself. and i know a lot of republicans were a little worried because donald trump wasn't having whole lot of fun in september and he was grumpy. he was grousing. you still see it poke through every once in a awhile. i think a lot of people will be happy to see a trump that's having fun on the trail. well,

because it indicates that he's more confident about what maybe but also is he running through the tape here? i mean, you combine this concert yesterday with these campaigning in california. he's campaigning in new york. i mean, is he really, he really hustling for the voters that he needs in the final push here, there's a lot of chatter about is harris doing enough to run through the tape? i don't know that you can really argue that donald trump is. but i also think we're going to see the shift from harris back into a more aggressive prosecution of the case against trump. because look, when you were running against a somebody who should be a historically unpopular opponent, you do have to use that against them and there's a lot of back-and-forth about is she has she done enough to make the case for herself? and yes, it's true. you have to give people something to vote for, but it would be malpractice to abandon making these points about the fundamental threat that trump poses to democracy. i mean, you have to use your opponents vulnerabilities against them. and i think i hope we're going to see her do that over this final three

weeks here. >> i think that's a trap for her. the all the all folders worries about donald trump in that regard or baked in. then the candidates need to fight over whether they're going to do in the next four years there. >> i agree there has to be a forward-looking element to the message, but i think we've seen, for example, when vance wouldn't say in the vp debate donald trump lost in 2020. that was the one of the most problematic moments for swing voters. we saw it in the focus groups afterwards, people said, i can't accept that and so that is an extraordinary thing. and i think she has to use that extraordinary yunis in her campaign. and speaking of unusual tactics at campaign rallies, one of the things that harris did yesterday was actually put donald trump's comments, his recent comments from over the weekend about the enemy within, about using the military on a big screen and playing it for people at the rally. >> and then the campaign also cut. let's play a little bit of this ad that they turn around and cut immediately hitting trump on these companies that's watch the worst people

or the enemy from within, the enemy from within, more dangerous than russia. >> and we have some very bad people. it should be very easily handled by the military i do remember the day that he suggested that we shoot people on the streets. >> a second term would be worse there will be no one to stop his worst instincts so meanwhile, brad, i take your point about needing to be forward-looking in many ways that they're trying to get people to look forward at bat yeah. and again, i think there's a problem like there's a disconnect. they also have some good ads where they go through a lot of trump's former cabinet members saying he's not fit. i can't we can't do this again and all that the problem is i just think for a lot of trump voters we again, harris isn't actually trying to reach trump voters at this point. harris is trying to reach people who were on the fence or may just not want to vote but i think that for a lot of people they said, well, they said all this in 2016 about him, how he's gonna be dangerous and all that kind of stuff and he wasn't a

problem and whether or not factoring is that the people who held him back, the circuit breaker? people aren't going to be in this administration, so it's just a different equation than the last, right? >> and making that argument is pretty tricky. all right, straight ahead here on cnn this morning campaign wordplay. >> here. what former president bill clinton said about immigration and how the trump campaign turning it against kamala harris plus getting the full joe rogan experience, we could hear from both candidates on one of the most popular podcasts in america. >> and the vice president makes her push to boost support from black men at the ballot box united states and he had birther lines and then you look at black immigrants, legal immigrants in springfield, well for me, i promise pizza everyday. >> unlimited topics, but does the budget even exist for that, ethan, why are we not talking about the fact that my opponent has coatings

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population so we need to do work so clinton did speak for two minutes on the subject of immigration, but of course, the trump campaign immediately seized on those 27 seconds saying quote, bill clinton says laken, riley, laken riley's death probably wouldn't have happened if kamala did her job. >> he was supposed to be campaigning for kamala yikes the harris campaign called the video. they posted a total lie saying trump's campaign deceptively edited the video to take out the comments critical of trump and his role in killing the bipartisan border deal. >> i mean, the bottom line here, jonah goldberg, is that bill clinton basically said, like there's a problem betting immigrants in this country, this crime happen. i mean, he said something that does play right into the trump campaign's hands. yeah. >> was it david shore, the political animals got a lot of trouble for saying that democrats should talk about things that are popular and not talk about things that are unpopular and that got him like people very angry at them just seems like this is a subject

that bill clinton pride just shouldn't have been talking about because there any debate about that murder and about immigrant murder in general is just not helpful not good, not great, not great not bill clinton spokesperson, but, you know, it seems even looking at that clip, sort of what he was trying to do broadly was to push back on the idea yeah, that immigrants are inherently criminals. >> that to me that was sort of what i heard trump making this argument that immigrants are poisoning the blood that they're inherently violent. and it seemed like what he was saying was, if we if we properly vet people who are criminals and they don't come into our country but acknowledging not been properly, harris administration says are 13,000 people convicted of murder outside the country. >> now, living here, i think this showed that bill clinton's democratic party is in fact not kamala harris, his democratic party, and bill clinton is the single best democratic politician for reaching no kind of rural, non-college voters.

>> that's what they sent him to do, right? go to rural georgia, talk to white voters that they think they can make some inroads with, right? >> but even it's so easy to twist or misrepresents some of the facts around a lot of this stuff. france's of those 13,000, many of them are in state and local prisons as opposed to walking the streets of america. now, yeah i worked at ice for five years, yes, the country could do better at the vatican. and the screening, but i think that's only part of the story there, even president clinton's for narrative leaves out the fact that, that overall immigrants are less likely to commit crimes than people born in the united states are more likely to be religious, are married or so on, but it's easy to focus on on the vetting question and not the broader issue, but it's an election year and that's what we do. >> well, and it got on the cover of right? >> we agree with bill clinton running veteran chief, though. they're both running to be i know. >> yeah. >> the crucial swing-state but all underscores why this issue is so tough for democrats at this juncture, all, right, so come after the break a runaway

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>> wednesday night dynamite my tbs let's be clear that your underlying premise is not an assumption that i'm supposed to have black men in my back pocket in terms of their vote and that i should be i should be taking that for granted because i don't black men are no different from anybody else they expect that you have to earn their vote kamala harris making a number of appearances this week with popular black media personality as she tries to rebuild the diverse democratic coalition that helped elect president joe biden and barak obama harris, releasing yesterday, which she called a quote, opportunity agenda, including loans for black entrepreneurs and investments in training and mentorship. the effort comes as polling indicates, an erosion of support among black men that

could be decisive, especially in states like georgia, where early voting begins today. and we're both harris and trump will make stops this week. the frustration of black men creating an opening for donald trump how many of you voting for donald trump? >> raise your hands? 123 456789 how many of you are voting against kamala harris 12345 i can't pay for things every single week. i run out of food during the week and feel as though the democratic party and most of the people who are, who oppose him are trying to make a fool out of me. take the last four years we have seen over promising all right. >> joining us now is the co-founder of black voters matter. latosha brown, will tausche, thanks very much for being with us this morning. you heard there some young black

men expressing frustration with the way that their lives are going right now and talking a little bit about the democratic party and why there may be a disconnect. what did you make of what you heard there? and what does kamala harris need to do to win these people over? >> you know, it's interesting this isn't something that we just hearing. we've heard this for years. i've been doing organizing work from last 25 years there's absolutely are frustration in our community. i black man, a black woman, the light around, making sure that they're getting the kind of economic opportunities as other communities that their issues are centered within the political parties i think what we're seeing is we're hearing i think there was a more attention by the media around to lift him here. those voices, i think that what what vp harris did on yesterday, madam vice president harris did on yesterday i'm literally lifting up an agenda that says, i see you. there is something for you, and these was and i recognize that some of the front frustrations come from not just in terms of this last

administration, but literally a long history of neglect. i'm not censoring the issues in the voices of black knee why do you think that some black men are interested in voting for donald trump? what is it about trump himself that appeals you know, it's interesting as i think there's a difference between conversation around trump and the commitment. we heard the same thing when in georgia around herschel walker and and senator warnock that this was supposed to be a blowout, everyone, all these black man ever going to vote for herschel walker. and that's simply did not happen. i think what we're capturing is i do believe that there's an issue frustration and their frustration, the frustration with one candidate does not necessarily mean there's going to be exodus to the other candidate but to the extent that i do think that there is some appeal around donald trump, i think part of it has been really around his rhetoric is sexes rhetoric. i think some of it has really been around he's a, he's a caricature. and so he's constantly in the media. i think that a lot of that is i

think they're responded to the personality of trump but i think ultimately when it gets down to who's going to turn out to vote, i do not anticipate or see that this large group of black man or black anybody is going to vote for donald trump? >> yeah fair enough it's more than this question of, can trump push that margin to a place where it does make a real, a real difference. >> i how do you think this plays specifically in georgia were early voting starts today? >> you know, i think what that means is you've got to hit the ground running. i think that the harris campaign, they've been two georgia several times and i think she's coming again this week. i think that's going to be really important and key and critical. >> what i know is that some of the information we've been running into on the ground is misinformation and this information there all kinds of means and social media posts that actually framed information about this campaign. >> that's quite frankly wrong around both candidates so part of i think what has to happen at this stage is one, making

sure that we're getting the right information to people on the ground, the necking with them, and telling them out alright let's asher brown for us this morning really appreciate your time today. thanks so much for being on with us thank you for having me. all right. let's turn now to this. the kamala harris campaign using donald trump's words against him after the former president suggested using the u.s. military to handle what he called the enemy from within and so-called radical left lunatics on election day, both harris and her running mate tim walz focusing in on those comments during rallies in pennsylvania and wisconsin on monday, with the vice president playing video of donald trump's remarks for her crowd he tells us who he is. i will show you one example of donald trump's worldview and intention please roll the clip the worst people or the enemy from within, the

enemy from within. he's talking about did he considers anyone who doesn't support him or who will not bend to his will an enemy of our country republican vice presidential nominee jd vance, defending trump's, trump's comments during a stop in minnesota, calling the use of military force justifiable, should there be violence on election day? those assets if they're rioting and looting and burning cities down to the ground. of course, if that happens, if you have a major reaction to an election 2024, of course, you ought to commit law enforcement resources to bring order back to our cities. >> what does donald trump mean by enemy with him? how do you interpret? >> well, i think one of the ways i interpreted is in the past 3.5 years, kamala harris is open border has allowed at least hundreds and maybe thousands of people that we know are on the terrorism watch list right?

>> our panel is back brad todd, i think it's worth noting like there's a difference between using law enforcement to deal with riots and using the united states military to deal with riots. >> they're two very different things and they seem to be conflated there. and that in that clip from vance, but i'm interested to know what you think of the strategy harris is using here, which does seem to be a different one, where instead of simply focusing on joy and penn of the way her campaign came out of the gate after the top of the ticket switched to one where they are actively trying to say and we talked about this a little bit at the beginning of the show, but they are trying to say, look, you should be worried about donald trump's next term. is it effective? >> i think it's a trap for both of them. it's a trap for donald trump to talk about the people who are against him and his instead of talking about the people he's fighting for his at his best when he's talking about the working class voters that he's trying to stand up for. so i think to trap for him. i think it's a trap for harris because she already has people who are worried about that, about donald trump. she's got to worry about people who think the economy's bad, who think

that we can have four more years of this administration. i think she needs to be litigating how she's going to do things differently from joe biden. that's i think it's a trap to go backwards for both of them. >> but one of the things you have to do in a campaign is move the conversation to the places where your strong and it is true that she has disadvantaged on the economy doesn't mean she shouldn't talk about the economy. i think she has steadily made progress. if you look at the polling, she's she's closing that gap on who you trust more on the economy and that's important. she has to do it. >> but she's also got to move the conversation back to a place where she's strong and by driving at these things that do make people uncomfortable, that maybe make a voter who would not otherwise feel motivated to come out and vote in this election, say i can't have donald trump be in the white house again, that's one piece of what she's got to do in this final three weeks. >> brad, your point. i wonder, and this is putting it out there. i wonder if all the criticism that the about the harris campaign depth are just playing it safe and not doing challenging media. and so on, has gotten in there heads to

the point that now they're just going more on the offensive against the former president. now, whether that works and actually turns the voters off in the way that i'm saying might actually get the case. and we'll we'll know in three weeks, but i am curious as to whether this sharper edge is perhaps in response to some of that. >> well, we also haven't talked today, joan, i'm going to talk a little bit later. she is going into potentially more difficult terrain with some of these interviews and the things that she's doing as well yeah. >> no, it will be very interesting to see the bret baier interview on fox with kamala harris and maybe joe rogan. people are talking about that on those point though, like i think we in washington pundit class, all that we focus enormous amount on undecided persuadable voter is these people in the middle right? swing districts, swing states, and all that kind of stuff. when there are actually millions and millions of people who say in 2020, largest turnout ever 80 million people who are eligible to vote didn't vote. and that is a vast pool of people a lot of them are pro-trump but the

choices stay home or vote for trump, but is not vote for harris or they're not undecided, they're just trying to decide whether to bother voting. i think that's also true on the democratic side. and some of these arguments help motivate people who think the election doesn't matter to get off the couch i think it works both ways. >> all right. very interesting still head here on cnn this morning, men versus women, mars and venus at the ballot box, donald trump, trying to reach women voters on fox news, kamala harris could be a guest on a podcast that's really popular, especially with men plus republican congressman byron donalds joins us live as his state recovers from two hurricanes and readies for the upcoming election for you? >> a pretty yeah. >> what are the kinds we could run on the news before then?

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insists he's feeling confident about his place in the polls and his supporters ability to push him over the finish line we are up in the polls fairly nicely fairly nicely, but it's really important and we're going to turn this country around it's the greatest movement in the history of our country, maga, make america great again and when we are indeed going to make america great again, america has never were declining nation right now. we're a nation in decline joining us now to discuss republican congressman byron donalds of florida congressman, very grateful to have you on the show today. >> thank you very much for being here. i actually want to start with the comments that donald trump made over the weekend about using the national guard at potentially the military, should there be chaos after election day? let me play those comments and i'll ask you to respond. watch i think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left, lunatics. >> and i think it should be

very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military they, because they can't let that happen sir, do you think it would be appropriate to use the united states military to address any chaos after the election but will it's good to be with you. i'm obviously we don't want to have the united states military were not going to have that be deployed in the united states. that's been long-standing law in our country since the founding of the republic but i think it is important to note that if there is a time where you have to deploy the national from barred like donald trump did want to do on january 4 of 2021 when he authorized 10,000 national guard troops to be at the u.s. capitol for january 6. that is something where it could be appropriate. look at the end of the day the biggest thing we want is a continued continued us and an application

of a peaceful transition of power. and i think that's the thing that he's most concerned about. i think every american is concerned about that are confident he's going to accept the results of the election if he doesn't win i think results as long as every state follows the procedures of that are passed by state legislatures. and i think that we need to understand very clearly that one of the main issues in the 2020 elections is that you did have state governments are estate state jurisdictions that were not following state law all when it comes to the procedures of their elections, they were changing those procedures at the 11th hour using covid-19 is an excuse my view has always been in many people's view as always and that's simply unacceptable. >> all donald trump has ever said is look, we follow the law that are on the books while the procedures are on the books. >> and as long as that occurs, everything will be fine. >> sir let me ask you also about the enemy within comments that donald trump made. there. who do you believe he's

talking about when he says the enemy within well. >> i think if you take a step back over the last really ten years that donald trump has been at the forefront of american politics. let's look at what actually occurred in 2015 and 2016. he had elements of our government spying on his campaign that. is something that is completely american, doesn't really get reported on or talked about for a really hard disaster. is that is for our country. but that occurred, they spied on his campaign you had it was covered. >> what you're talking about i think was covered extensively at the time and it has to do with some of the national security laws that we have in place. and the way that you're short shorthanded. i do have significant to questions about that. i mean, he has he seems to be suggesting that adam schiff is one of these people. is that do you believe adam schiff has an enemy within our country we don't we in the house, we know that adam schiff was using his position is then chairman of intel to leak

information into the press. >> we know that that is wrong, but what adam schiff was doing, we do know that you have elements of the kamala harris, joe biden administration that have used the department of justice to be weaponized against their chief political rival. that is wrong. >> and so we have to be honest with ourselves as americans, that we do not want the institutions of our government being wielded against political rivals. >> but let's not talk about donald trump. you have elements of this department of justice under merrick garland that is targeted parents who are just simply concerned about their child's education, calling them domestic terrorists, that did occur. you have elements of this white house that we're spying on the american people, suppressing the free speech of the american people. that is the enemy within and so i think one of the reasons you have people like robert f. kennedy light tulsi gabbard, who have switched from the democratic side of the aisle to supporting donald trump and his campaign because they are also concerned about the quote, unquote,

department of justice has also weapon the special counsel, the american appointed who prosecuted hunter biden, the president's son. you've got the president, the united states, expressing, according to bob woodward regret about appointing merrick garland because merrick garland is going after the president's son. so i mean, there are examples where this department of justice is going against the white house in a way that refutes the argument you're making. >> cassie, i mean, we were 22 days to election, but let's talk about hunter biden. the only reason why the department of justice actually went after hunter biden, the way they've done is because they were exposed for letting so many of hunter's criminal charges lapse by statute of limitations because they were covering up for hunter for biden and joe biden. so once that once that was exposed by the oversight committee, which i sit on then the department of justice had no choice but to reverse course. that's the facts, congressman. >> let's let's turn back to the election before i let you go, i want to ask you about black men in particular, president obama

was on the campaign trail at talking trying to talk to black men. now you've got kamala harris going out there sitting down with media outlets where she's clearly trying to reach black men. do you think her efforts are going to make a difference? >> no, i don't. and for a number of reasons, number one, this is the same kamala harris were a few years ago. she's out there saying that audio clips are available to video clips where there was no agenda for, for black people but she actually said that works for all americans will also work for black people. so, but now she's going to reverse course because, she's losing in this race and try to say she's going to do an agenda specifically for black men. i just don't think it's going to work. >> number two she's basically have 1,400 days to enact all these types of policies. >> and she's done nothing actually not even spoke to any of these things. but now that we're 20 days until november 5, now she wants to run out there with a specific agenda. everybody knows it's phony and its fate. it's pandering,

it's just politics, and it's not real at the end of the day, what black men are looking for, like all men in our country and all people is an economic agenda that actually works so helping you grow your wages, have prices be stable, be able to build a wall and to pass something on to the next generation. and there's crystal clear if you compare kamala harris is economic record to donald trump's economic record, that when donald trump was president wages adjusted for inflation, where significantly higher people were able to save more people able to buy a home, and people were able to start building well, the kamala harris economic agenda has not been good for any american, including black men all right. >> congressman byron donalds. thank you very much for your time this morning. i appreciate you being on president harris doing something she hasn't done before. she's going to sit down for a fox news interview is scheduled to happen tomorrow. the vice president has faced criticism for not doing enough interviews early on in her campaign. kane now,

she's trying to call out trump for dodging reporters this man want even debate me in a second time he won't even debate me a second time. he didn't do the 60 minutes interview, which i believe every presidential candidate for president united states has done. >> one has to ask, what is donald trump trying to hide? what is his staff and his team trying to keep from you trump is also making an appearance on fox news this week. >> he will take a town hall in georgia later today with all women as he tries to chip away at harris as advantage with female voters and then there's this harris might be appearing on one of the most downloaded podcast online. reuters writes this, this morning, quote, harris campaign officials met with joe rogan's podcast team this week, but an appearance has not been confirmed yet. that is according to two sources. two sources with knowledge of the matter. is this a smart play potentially kate or is sitting down with

joe rogan just a dangerous game for her? >> i am not a huge fan of the idea of her doing joe rogan. i just think it will be such an uphill battle. i understand the audience, i understand the importance i understand in the media environment, he is somebody who has enormous influence. i'm not i'm not denigrating the reach of joe rogan. it's significant. i'm not sure that's the best use of her time in the last three weeks of this campaign when she's trying to reach these particularly these swing voters in the key states. >> i do, i do think the brett baer interview makes sense because if you look at the republican per brad and i were actually talking about this in the break. >> if you look at the republican primary, as much, as many as 20 20% of republican voters in the republican primary process did not vote for donald trump. and those people are largely fox news. that's the fox news audience. a lot of people watch fox news some of those voters or people she needs so that to me makes a lot of sense. i will be honest. i don't know that doing joe rogan in the last three weeks of the campaign makes ton of sense from realignment at work,

you have a working class coalition that republicans are assembling. now, she's trying to make, keep that from coalescing behind donald trump. this is he's got a problem in the country clubs. she's got a problem in the labor union do you think it's smart for her to do joe rogan? i think right now she's she's in a desperate spot in this campaign is she's trying a lot of things that are risky what do you think, john? >> i think if she gives a good interview, it's smart for her to do if she gives a bad one is a disaster we have is that people's attitudes about donald trump are completely baked in very hard for him to move the needle on anybody. people are still getting to know her and she sometimes prepares really well and does well. and other times like when she was on the view that she didn't have an answer for what she would do differently than joe biden the flops swim and that was the signal to a lot of elite democrats to begin the bedwetting. now and that's the thing is, i don't know which kamala harris goes on. joe rogan.

>> the question is, is she if she does she when anybody over or keep anybody that she doesn't want to vote from coming out the polls, right? as either a galvanizing the folks that you want or scaring away the folks that you don't want? i don't know if joe rogan is the place to do that now, to kate's point, maybe fox news's, but again, this could be the most magical moment in american political history, or it could be an unmitigated train wreck. and we just don't get it the risk reward if you can't survive an hour with joe rogan? >> no, you can't probably be president oh, wow, i don't think that's true. >> i mean, joe rogan has he has an agenda. he has a worldview. he will be guns blazing and that interview look, i do think you have to in the final push of a campaign, you got to make some risky decisions. i'm not i don't think she should play it safe entirely. but you also you shouldn't be reckless to me. i just don't know that the risk reward calculation there makes a ton of, when you see a week with a headset sitting next to ufc i think she's probably taking this a little bit farther and might not want one

of the things we have seen her to jonah's point struggle with is answering questions about how she would be different from president biden and clearly, there seems to be some personal sensitivity there or something going on what should she be saying about that? because she's got she's going to go out there and do these innervate yeah, bret, there is going to press her and she should have a sharper answer on that. and i understand of course from human perspective, they worked very closely together and i understand why she feels like she doesn't want to go out and trash him and i would argue she shouldn't she doesn't have to but she does need a sharper answer about how her agenda differs, places where she will be more aggressive. i don't think that that's undermining the things that she and joe biden have accomplished in the white house. i think that's laying out for people here's, here's my vision for how things are going to be different. and yes, she absolutely needs she could talk about stronger preparations for the eventuality of the fall of roe. she could talk about being tough for foreign companies who

are price gouging. i mean, there are ways where she could say, here's what i might have done differently, but more importantly, here's what i will do differently in the future, and that's, i think yes, she needs a sharper answer on that we're heading towards the top of the hour, but brad, todd, while i have you for our viewers who don't know, you do a ton of work in pennsylvania yeah, and it is really the key to the election. >> so right here, three weeks out, who is winning in pennsylvania? >> probably donald trump's going to win pennsylvania and i think he may win it by more than a point. i could see him winning by two. >> why is that right now, she's uniquely unsuited to the state on a variety of matters. >> it's a working-class state that's the coalition that you went with. obama won with the working class coalition. she's not been able to put that back together. >> all right, really interesting if you come back next tuesday, i'll ask you the same question conversation again. alright. thank you, guys very much for being here today. thanks to all of you for joining us. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn new central starts right now