frankfurt? i don't know none i said that's right. >> you know, how many cars we have mercedes benz bmw all of the diff volkswagen millions and millions, of course. and then i said farm products they don't want to they don't want anything from us. we have deficits that are crazy and we're not going to happen anymore. we're going to put tariffs on them and they're going to do and you know what they can do the mercedes-benz will start building in the united states and they have a little bit. but you know what they really are assembly like in south carolina. but they build everything in germany and then they assemble it here. they get away with murder because they oh yes, we're building because they don't believe they take them out of a box and assemble emblem. we can have our child do can we come up here? >> so let's come here europeans? >> it's a second. what about consumers, people out there? >> they're going to be the biggest critic say you're tariffs will end up being like a national sales tax. >> no.

>> no, because the country if you have america at the moment has 3 trillion worth of imports, you're going to add tariffs to every single one of them that is going to push up the cost for all those people who want to buy foreign good now, once simple mathematics, president trump, it's not this year it is, but that's the way you've figured i was always very good at mathematics. >> let me tell you, you're saying 3 trillion that. is companies and don't they don't have to pay. >> and if the higher the tariff, the more likely it is to have them come into the kind of the tariff, the more you're going to put on value of that piece, those goods, the higher people are getting pay in shops already to hire the tariff, the more likely it is that the company will come in into the united states and build a factory in the united states or doesn't have to pay the tariff that we have. i have, we'll take that will take many, many no in fact i'll tell you, you know, there's another theory is that the tariff you make it so high, so horrible, so obnoxious that they'll come right away.

when i do the 10%, 10% is really first of all, 10%, when you collect it, is hundreds of billions of dollars numbers that you're talking all reducing our deficit but really so there's two ways of looking at it. tariff. you can do it as a moneymaking instrument or you can do it as something to get the company's now, if you want the companies to come in, the tariff has to be a lot harder. than 10% because 10% is not enough they're not going to do it for ten. but you make a 50% tariff. they're going to come in. let me tell you the other thing about tariffs that's great. our steel companies, as you know, 34 years ago, there were all got when i was in office i saw a man from a big steel company and he was devastated. i knew him for a long time. and it's been a tough business. it was a great business many years ago and i would not let us still be sold to japanese by the way, it is just psychologically, i think it was still as you know, yeah, i wouldn't lead i wouldn't let

it be so but i would i would stop it if it hasn't been completed by the time i'm president because i think it sets a horrible town. >> but i had a lot to do with still, we're going to lose all our steel companies because china, as you remember, was dumping still at levels that nobody's ever seen before and i put a 50% tax on that. and tariff on that oil dumped ceo and it was also bad still is dirty but what they call dirty steel was a good steal, which is a bad thing for structural components of buildings and planes and things like that. they would dumping crap to our country. and i put a 50% tariff. i started at 25 or raise it to 50 because of 25, didn't quite do it. i raise it to 50 and that did it. they stopped dumping still. and i saved are still as by having that we saved it. we saved are still now what was left because we've lost so much. but there are certain companies but as you have to have? there are certain things you have to have steel, you have to have if you

go to war, you know, there's a possibility you go to war. i kept us out of work. i was the only president in 82 years that kept you out of a works at by defeated isis, but i inherited that one no wars. and by the way, by the way, and i think it's very you can go, you know, i call it the week. you can call it got to have the wave as long as you end up in the right location at the end. but while we're talking about it, we have never been so close to world war iii as we have are right now. with what's going on in ukraine and russia and the middle east. >> well, let's, let's no wars in the whole world. >> think of it. and i talked him out awards. i talked plenty country he's out airwars. i had the whole world other than isis, which i inherited and i knocked out isis at a matter of weeks. it was supposed to take four to five years. i did it it's been a matter of weeks. we actually have a great military, we don't know how to use it. you have a great, great respect you i was asking about tariffs. >> you've grown up seeing, you bought up tariffs and foreign policy many people would say

the biggest problem with your tariffs is actually geopolitics. you and your first term. you've got some credit for effectively saying latter there was a cold war against china that's what america was in the last cold war against the soviet union. america want it in part because it rallied allies to it you're talking about slamming allies with 30%, 20% tariffs isn't this time you're going to end up trying to rally the west and you're dividing it instead and that the real problem with tariffs, even beyond all the problems do the economy where you keep on bringing up these individual examples. but the overall effect is going to be dramatic. >> know so first about foreign policy, yeah, i'll do that. >> how does it help you take on a chunk house turned and all your allies against tremendously because china things were stupid country okay a very stupid country. >> they can't believe that somebody finally got wise to them not one president bush obama, barack it's an obama.

>> have you heard of them not one president. >> not think of it, not one president, george china, anything they said, oh, they are third world nation, they're developing what we're a developing nation to take a look at detroit, take a look at our cities. we're a developing nation week. we have to develop more than they do. they were way behind them. you take a look at what's happened to our city so what about your allies? not about china. you aren't going to annoy the bar allies, rally behind you, but our allies have taken it advantage of us more so than our enemies our allies, or the european union we have a trade deficit of $300 billion with the european union our allies our japan, you know, rb was a very good friend of mine who's a great guy, great and i said to them in japan, he was assassinated and he was a great man. he really was. i didn't see too many like him and he was he got very sick and he had to take off and then he was he

was actually making a comeback. he was going to make a comeback it would have won easily, but he was a great gentleman, handsome, wonderful man respected by everybody. and he i went to him and i said shinzo. we have to talk what trade and he goes. i never forgot it i know so what do you know? >> i knew you'd come to me. why do you say that? because i can't believe i wouldn't tell the surveys alive. aqsa said i can't believe how many years it's been that nobody even negotiated with us at america i said cinzia, you have to pay for your cars, your sending millions of cars you don't accept a car from us. you don't have one car that you accept. and yet we're selling 3 million, 4 million of your cars i said shinzo on trump culture, you won't even accept our agriculture. and i renegotiated whole trade you from a little disadvantage

because i was stuck with a bad deal. >> i mean, i got we have trade deals that were so bad that i said, who are the people that are doing it? they're either very stupid or they getting paid off, okay. it's one of the other it's very simple we had the worst trade deals all over the world south korea. i love south korea. they're wonderful people, extremely ambitious. they have a money machine we protect them from north korea and other people. north korea's very nuclear. i got along with him very well. kim jong. >> but wait they don't pass anything and i said, this is crazy. >> if i didn't put tariffs on of the car companies, they make most of their money as small trucks i put tariffs on china for ai protect 27.5% otherwise, we'd be flooded with chinese girls and all of our factories would close, would have no jobs at all in the auto industry. that goes for electric by the

way, which is a killer, which i've explained an analytic after bore anybody by talking to you. got it. but i put tariffs on south korea because they were sending and trucks. and i put tariffs on fairly substantial tariffs. do you know there are cars? are companies make almost all of their money with the small trucks, suvs and small trucks if i if i took those tariffs on eu would be inundated. every car company would we had a business. and i got calls from ford. i got calls from everybody saying sir, i can't believe you're doing this for us. you saved our company we will they make all their money with if they make most of their money with a small truck and the suvs, many consumers ended up with more expensive cars. but let me just we've just come at you in foreign policy. >> you wouldn't have a car company. you have said that taiwan should pay for us protection. yeah. >> i asked because this morning you just mentioned north korea, the chinese tell me literally as we speak are engaged in rehearsals for a full naval

blockade of taiwan. so i suppose my question is, if china invades taiwan, would you send american? i can troops to defend it well, there isn't a doing it now is not going to do it afterwards. >> okay. it's cnn, so they're doing it now they want to do can look ahead if et a hurry i had a very good relationship with president xi and a very good relationship with putin and a very good relationship with kim jong un, who as a nuclear force that you won't even believe. and by the way today it was announced for those that he just blew up thes korea. that means south korea is now cut off from russia and china and various other places. i mean, cut off by rail as you just mentioned. but he's a big things i have to mention you just mentioned you just mentioned putin has been this controversy the past week. can you say yes or no, whether you have talked to vladimir putin since you stopped being president. >> well, i don't comment on there, but i will tell you that if i did, it's a smart thing if i'm friendly with people, if i have a relationship with

people, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. comes over country. he's got 2000 nuclear weapons and soda way. china has a lot less, but they'll catch us within five years. >> that sounds good. relationship very much talk about it too. i don't talk about no, i don't talk about that. >> i don't know about ever say you, but i can tell you what these people russia has never had a president that they respect so much, but more importantly are less importantly, i guess i went into russia and people said, oh, he likes putin and putin likes him. >> let me tell you the first thing i did was terminated nord stream two. nobody ever heard of nord stream two? it's a pipeline from russia to germany and all over europe. i said, wait a minute to nato. i said so let's get this straight. my first meeting i said so putin is building the biggest pipeline in the world. he's going to germany, but all over europe. >> and you're paying him billions of dollars a year. >> a bill billions of dollars a

month. you're paying germany, spain billions of dollars a month and we're supposed to protect you against a guy that you're paying all this money to so is there something wrong with my thinking? so he's building a pipeline to germany and we're spending, and by the way, until i got there, we were spending almost 100% for nato because we had all these delinquent countries. they weren't paying when i got there, i said, you know what and by the way, my biggest fan is stoltenberg just leaving secretary general of nato he said when bush came in, he made a speech and left when obama came in, he made a speech left when trump came in, he made his speech and he said, let me see you books. and i found out in the books that nobody was paying, there were only seven countries that would pay we were supporting nato. they screw us on trade so bad the european nations and then on top of that, there was going to and the military. so they take it a tremendous vantage of us

300 billion on trade. and were then supporting them. in other words, it's not sustainable. you can't keep doing this. you can't have that china all of these countries and stupid people may these deals, i saw trade deals that was so stupid like miguel, do you have to be excuse me. that was so bad. they'd you'd have to be an idiot to sign them. and we sat on for years we had we had i could tell you trade deals that i have never seen that they've i said who would agree to this? they had to be corrupt they had to be up to make those deals. they had to be corrupt because there's no way a rational human being. i always say either corrupt are extremely stupid because there's no way a rational human i'm going to being whatever side the trade deals that this country side. and i got out of many of those deals. i tell south korea, i'm sorry, you're going to have to pay for your military. we have four 40,000 troops over there

you're going to have to pay, you become a very wealthy country just to finish, you become a very, what they said, no, no, no, we will not pay we will not we haven't paid since the korean war i said, no, you got to pay i said would $5 billion a year to start off with no know where they when crazy they agree to two. i got 2 billion for nothing and i said, here's what we're gonna do. >> they said we can't agree to this because we have to go through parliament. >> they have the parliament or whatever their legislature, as i said, that's okay. i fully understand that. make it 2 $2 billion but next year i'm going to talk to you again. and i was going to make it 5 billion. and they knew it was coming. the happiest people to see that it was biden instead of trump with south korea? you know what they did, they cut off the deal that i made where they were paying us. they back to nothing because they went back to biden and they gave it to him for nothing. they were willing and to we have 40,000

troops in harm's way very serious because you have north korea is very serious power. they have tremendous nuclear bauer i said to south korea, you got to pay and they agreed to do it. and biden then cut it back and it's a shame. i could tell you 50 if i were there now, they'd be paying us 10 billion a year. and you know what they'd be happy to do it. it's a money machine south korea, you're going to mention taiwan. you wanted to mention damon you mentioned taiwan, you've said you would defend them. you also seem to imply that you've not put a new seemed to imply that you had talked to him without identifying. >> i said i don't comment so those things. >> what about can i can i ask you a particular thing about the dollar you've actually you've talked about was the new york economic club. you said that if you lost the dollar as a result so of currency, it would be like america losing a war. >> yeah, we look at what you're going to do in terms of protectionism or drive countries to use the other currencies, then all that death there's also going to lessen

the dollar status as the world's reserve currency environment. laurie the dollar. so secure your reserve currency is the strongest at 11 be prison trump, at the moment, there is a thing called the trump trade and the markets. do you know what that is? the trump trade is very simple people are betting that you're buses are going to drive up debt. they're going to drive up inflation. so they're going to drive up inflation rate. interest rates are the investors wrong? >> yeah, i had four years now conflation for years now. >> but that was that was when you had much higher for years. >> it's better than biden, who has no idea what but the haley is. okay biden when two years with no inflation because he inherited from me. and then they started spending money like drunken sailors. >> they spent so much money. it was so ridiculous. the money they were spending, they were spending on the green news scam adrenal scam, the green new deal, you know, it was conceived of by aoc plus three

she never even study the environment in college. you went to a nice college she came out, she just said the green news scam. she just named all these president trump met at the markets, are looking at the facts you are making all these promises. latest one was car loans you're flooding the thing with it, giving giveaways, but what i was actually quite kind to you. i use 7 trillion the upper estimate the tunnels 15 trillion. you people like the wall street journal, who is hardly a communist organization that you don't have criticized view on this as well. you are running up enormous death. what does the wall street? the journal now meeting with them tomorrow. what is the wall street journal that they've been wrong about everything. so of you by the way, you're trying to turn this, you're trying to turn this has been wrong thank for your time to turn this into a debate there were business there are you've been wronged, you've been wrong all your life on this stuff. you know, let me tell you about currency you going to go and jump in a lot. different

subject while she'll bring their reserve currency that's where you start the reserve currency is under threat because you have a ran, you have russia, you have china wants, china is the one that you have to worry about because they want it. they want to have the won be the yes thing of power. >> so here's what i'm doing. again, i hate to go back to it. >> if somebody says and i know countries want to get out because they don't respect our leadership. >> they look at this guy. they say you gotta be putting and she's worse than him, by the way, she's i never thought i'd say this. she is not as smart as biden. if you can believe this is not what we had four years of this is lunacy and we can't have it anymore. we're not going and i have a country left. okay. currency, very important, yes and if you want to go to third world, if you want to go to third world status lose your reserve currency we have to have that. we cannot lose it if you go to, you'll go to third world status in this country. because you take a look at the way things are running if a country

tells me sara, we like you very much, but we're going to no longer adhere to being in the reserve currency we're not going to salute the dollar anymore. i'll say that's ok and you're going to pay a 100% tariff on everything you sell into the united states and we love your product. i hope he said hello, a lot of it into the united states, but you're going to pay 100% he will then follow it up by saying, sir, it would be an honor to stay with him reserve currency i will be that will be like just playing. that's not even chest, that's checkers, but you don't have other listen to this. you don't, you don't have other people that can talk that way? so a lot of people saying, we love trump's policy, but we would like to have another messenger because we don't like him. he's a little bit crass. and then actually it was lindsey graham i say he was a progressive in all fairness. but lindsey graham said but trump's policy, does it work with that trump and there's a

lot of truth to that. macron was going to nazca emmanuel is a wise guy, but he's for france and we're for the usa. you know, this he was going to tax american company but he's doing business in france. i'm very substantial tax. and i told my people, i'm not i didn't even like the companies, but i i'm and so i said, call macron and goal as people and say we're not going to stand for that and i got a mnuchin and yeah, a lot of guys, smart guys, if i can finish, i'll go longer if you want the thought yes, it's very important. you again, this is big stuff we're talking about. you can't go that from the doulas, so let me just tell you. so i said no, i'm just telling you basic it's, called the wave. it's all these different things so let me just say, so i said to mnuchin call

him up and say, no way he did and he came back to see me, said they won't do it, sir, it's too late. i said to somebody as you come. then i said, let me and i called him and i said emmanuel you taxing american companies very substantially. you're not doing it with other companies you must think we're stupid. it's not going to happen, but dawn on donald, i cannot do anything. it's too late or it was approved by a legislature. i said that's okay. here's his story. >> every bottle of wine and champagne did you send into the united states effective immediately? and i'm signing it as i speak i'm charging you 100% on every bottle of wine and champagne. >> they like the one in champagne, right every bottle of wine and champagne that comes into the united states of america is, has attacks on, starting on monday morning, this was a friday of 100% and that's better than you're

doing, okay? and he said no, no, no, you cannot do that i said i've done it. it's already signed monday monaco's. may i call you back? >> yes. because we back in about three minutes, we have decided to remove the tax from this. i did this all day long. >> but you don't have you think biden does that? >> i don't let me let me let me change let me ask you a very factual question the federal reserve yeah. you say you don't want interest rates to go higher. you've gone backwards and forwards about depends whether you want to keep what do you want to keep jerome? powell is chair of the federal reserve. his term has chair runs on to may 2026. would you seek to remove remove, or demote him? >> luck i think it's the greatest job in government. you show up to the office once a month and you say, let's say flip occur and everybody talks about you're like you're a god? oh, what will we do i

mean, before the guy who used to walk into my office, he was begging haha seems he was far. >> you did you did talk about and you talked about removing him once again because he was keeping the rich too high and i was right. >> and you would do that again. >> in fact he actually dropped them too much when i did this because i said i was threatening to terminate him. there was a question as to whether or not you could and there was an article in the new york times to half pages, one-page that i can do it by lawyers one-half page set. i couldn't and that was enough for him. any dropped the hell out of the richey dropped them too much. >> he wants so he dropped him actually too much. >> okay here's the story i think that if you're a very good president with good sense you should be able to at least talk to him. >> i don't say make the decision at all, but i mean, i've been very successful businessman. i've done really good, much better now people are understanding how good i've done because they're seeing it

real much better than the fake news wants to give me credit nearly two out, whether you would think i have the right to say as a very good businessman and somebody that's used a lot of sense i think i have the right to say that, you know, i think i think i'm better than he would be. i think i'm better than most people would be in that position. i think i have the right to say i think he should go up or down a little bit. i don't think i should be allowed to order it, but i think i have the right to put in comments as to whether or not interest rates should go up or down when you, when you look to the supreme court, you came up with a list of people who you thought of replacing bringing in. >> we've been listening to former president donald trump at the economic club of chicago speaking to the editor in-chief of bloomberg magazine, john mickles, wade, an interesting conversation. a lot of topics discussed. one of the biggest headlines he was asked directly if he spoke with russian leader vladimir putin after trump left office, something that has been widely reported trump's,

they're saying that he does not comment on that sort of thing. but if i did, he says it would be a good thing. he was pressed on this. he said he didn't even imply that they spoke. but again, if he had, it would be a good thing. trump. they're spending a lot of time defending his policies on tariffs specifically, he also so alleged that previous administrations were either corrupt or extremely stupid for a number of the trade deals that had been brokered before his administration. >> and this has been an at times contentious exchanges. we've seen near after a very disjointed series of answers that we heard from president, former president trump at last night's town hall meeting, albeit in a friendly environment, john mcculloch white really trying to keep a focused approach. and there appeared to be some disagreement over that. it's called the we've trump said to him but that was a blanket of words that could threaten to have you in some cases, some of those answers i want to bring in matt egan, and we also have

former secretary, mark esper. matt egan, first to you to talk about some of the economic back-and-forth here. what did you think about what you've heard? >> well, brianna, there was definitely some economic back-and-forth as someone who regularly covers business and the economy and tries to make sense of some of trump's policies. it was really nice to hear some serious pushback and challenges from the bloomberg editor and chief particularly around tariffs and former president trump. we know loves tariffs. and he went all in today talking about how great tariffs are he called tariffs, the most beautiful word in the dictionary. he said, tariffs still a public relations firm to help it. and he said that tariffs are going to be a way to bring companies back to our country at one point, he even recalled a recent conversation. he said he had with auto manufacturing company and he said that he threatened massive

tariffs on imported cars, cars that were made in mexico. he said 100, 202,000%, the highest tariffs in history. now, in the past trump, trump's campaign has said he is being hyperbolic when he uses numbers that high of course, but still this just shows how much he loves tariffs at one point, the bloomberg editor in chief warned that he could be pushing the united states into the biggest trade war since smoot-hawley right before the great depression made the great depression worse. actually, and trump again defended his tariff policy. he also was asked a lot of questions about how expensive his economic agenda yes. right. because there's estimates out there that his plan could cause something like 7.5 trillion he dismissed the idea that the wall street journal and others have raised questions about how much debt would be added. he said and what does the wall street journal know? they've been wrong about everything and then he attacked the moderator

and said the moderator has been wrong about everything. one last interesting point was towards the end, he was asked a lot about the federal reserve chairman jerome powell, and trump's sort of recalled he contentious history between the two of them when trump was in the white house and had picked jerome powell to be the chair. he didn't really seem to answer whether or not he is in favor of having jerome powell removed, but he did say that he believes that the president should have the ability to say where they think interest rates should be. of course, that's something that economists are not in favor of. they say it's very important for the fed to be independent yeah, he accused powell of dropping rates too far when he was at risk of being terminated. it's seemingly implying that he was trying to curry favor with trump. let's go to former defense secretary terry mark esper secretary. thanks so much for sharing part of your afternoon with us. what did you think of what you just heard from donald trump? because aside from the economic questions, he talked a lot about foreign policy

months, few minutes of it. it was a very honest conversation, i think trump was being trump be speaking to the issues i thought the moderator was doing a good job in terms of pressing him on a specific questions he was asking and then trying to to argue the counterpoint, particularly when it came tariffs and the inflationary effects and other impacts it would have a good discussion. i know you brought up a boris. the question about whether trump has been talking with putin. look, i think in general world leaders talked to one another once they leave office friendships develop what's unusual in this case would be that trump is talking to vladmir putin, who is arguably our adversary. i mean, what he's doing around the world in terms of his his horrific onslaught against ukraine. now for over two-and-a-half years, the cyber operations, he's conducting against the united states and our allies. he's adversaries. so that raises major questions which bob

woodward, apparently in his, in his latest book, said that putin and trump continued dialogue. and so it'd be very interesting. know, what are they really talking about? that kind of piqued my curiosity, of course yeah. >> reporting that he may have talked to putin as many as seven times since leaving office. what are you? her concerns about? what they may be talking about? where do you see the line and where do you have concerns about that line course, but the question would be is to what degree is he trying to advise vladmir putin in terms of how to deal with the biden administration, the united states, or is he promising certain things if if he comes back into office one day, those would those would be major issues, major concerns of mine, but again, we just don't know and, it's worth thing, again, it's not unusual for world leaders to maintain friendships, relationships beyond their terms in office. >> what's unusual again is this is vladmir putin. he's an adversary. he's doing things to harm the united states and our allies. and what he's doing

against ukraine it's just terrible. so this is why my concern is particularly peak tier secretary. >> one more question for you if you have a moment, i know you're you're running short on time, but it was a question that was asked that i thought illuminated trump's worldview more broadly, the moderator, moderator was asking him about out. how the u.s won the cold war against the ussr. and it had to do with uniting allies. he was asking trouble about his approach and alienating folks that are supposed to be your friends on the world stage through the threat of tariffs, through some of his, his rhetoric and whether he thought that, that would ultimately pass the united states in what he views as a current cold war with china. i wonder what you make of that approach and that statement from trump question and it's a terrific issue. look, i'm a reagan republican and what ronald reagan did was rally the west and he led and what reagan did during the 80s, along with

margaret thatcher and others, was to basically defeat the soviet union through soft power and pushing back here and there. but we did it with allies and partners and in today's context of 21st century, where i see china's our greatest strategic advisor adversary followed by russia, iran, north korea we have a great lineup of allies the europeans, the japanese australians filipinos, you go around the world. we have dozens, dozens of treaty allies and even more partners the other side, the china team, the russia team, what they have are the four of them plus nicaragua and mali. it's not a very, it's not a very good team, so it's important that we keep the big picture and focus that means democracy has to win here in the 21st century and were only going to do that if we, the democracies of the world, our allies and partners to work together and what that means is making sure that we don't do things unnecessarily to fracture that alliance, to fracture this partnerships, and that would be my concern. we talk about 100% tariffs across the board, or breaking up trade

agreements, things like that. look, it's it's fair to look at those things. it's fair to assess trade agreements to make sure their current with the times that they're meeting our interests that's fine. but to threaten those things and possibly fracture these important alliances and partnerships in this standoff, we're now against autocracies of the world. i think is what concerns me he's an allies are taking more advantage of the u.s then their enemies secretary esper, great to have you. thank you so much thank you both. now, let's go to kristen holmes now, who has been tracking this event. kristen, a really interesting event so far, certainly one where former president trump is getting very much challenged on his economic plan plans. and we heard john mccain, the white, they're saying that you know, being i think critical of some of trump's economic plans trump trying to turn the tables on him saying, what do you know, bloomberg is wrong? wall street journal is wrong. michelob white trying to say, look, a lot of economic

experts, which is true, have concerns about your plans and they do, they're very concerned about the inflationary effects of what trump has in store that's right, brianna. >> and this is really the first time we've heard somebody be able to challenge trump on these tariffs generally speaking, when he is in an interview with a more friendly environment or more friendly moderator, they let him speak and then that's it. generally if we shout out as the press corps in a press conference? question about this, you can choose if he wants to answer it or not, and he's not answering questions about a follow-up on tariffs. this was the first time we've actually seen him half to answer questions about those economists, about the fact that the wall street journal that bloomberg have all said that this could lead to massive inflation, this kind of terrorists one of the most interesting points that was made by the bloomberg editor and chief was something that dollars that'll trump often does. he pointed out the fact that donald trump was talking about singular event saying, okay, i'm asking you about your tariff plan as a whole, but you're bringing up one an

office like john deere moving. okay. so you stopped them for moving with the threat of tariffs, but we're talking about what tariffs would do to the overall country, to the overall ecosystem of the economy. if you were to actually implement them in the way that you want, you know, donald trump is doing what donald trump does and he himself called it the we've, which is really going. off in two separate stories about when he was in office are conversations that he had getting away from the topic at hand, but for his part, that editor in chief is pushing donald trump on the issue of tariffs. now when it comes to putin, who was interesting also is the first time donald trump has been able to, or husband able to be asked asked about whether or not he has spoken to putin, says he's been out of office. obviously he dodged that question multiple times, but did sort of leave the door open. it sounded as though he had in fact talk to putin. now i will say when the editor in chief made the same point that i just did, he said that's not what i said. i just didn't answer your question on that, but one thing to keep in mind here is that this, it's not as

though so this would exist in a vacuum of did he talk to putin or not? this is a presidential candidate who has spent much of his time on the campaign trail, pleasing lot. amir putin saying that they had a really strong patient kept saying how smart vladimir putin was even in the context of ukraine. and what is going on with ukraine war, talking about how he has good relationship with vladimir putin. and now after his meeting with zelenskyy has a good relationship with zelenskyy, so he could be the one who got something done oh, and on this front again, without any real details as to what exactly a negotiation would look like. another thing that he hasn't answered questions on, but i will say just in this very conversation this is a setting where you have one topic going on about the economy, where donald trump can actually be press, where it's harder for him to bob and weave and move to other topics. we saw him really, we saw the head of bloomberg. they're really trying to get some answers from trump on the economy particularly as we have heard, this enormous amount of pushback really across the spectrum on what tariffs would do overall for the economy seem

to taunt the moderator at one point saying that he could keep going and could keep leaving if he wanted to during a long long answer, kristen holmes. thank you so much. let's get some political analysis now with cnn, political analyst gloria borger. and cnn political analyst coleman hughes. thank you both for being with us. gloria. first i want to commend you. this is yet another event, sitting where we're trump has gone on and on and on and you've patiently sat with us through it. i'm curious. i'm curious to get your thoughts on the weave. his described method of answering all sorts of questions that weren't actually asked. >> well, the we've is kind of a stream of consciousness and it seems as if he can't stick to one topic at a time. and if you notice in this interview, he talks and anecdotes. the interview or was trying to get macro answers about the economy, what tariffs would do to the economy, et cetera, et cetera. and instead, donald trump is talking about, well,

john deere or i told i told this person who is building plants in mexico this and that. so he doesn't really answer in a macro way. he answers in terms of his own experiences and his own stories. and then he weaves from one to the next. so it's difficult to keep track. he calls it a we've i'm not really sure what we should call it. >> what did you think coleman well, i thought that i've always thought that the issues that trump was most sincerely passionate about, the issues that he's been talking about the same ways for decades. >> our immigration and trade he has a view of trade that is very different from the mainstream view of economists. he believes trade deficits are really important, whereas economists would say they actually don't matter much. he believes that other countries pay the price for tariffs,

whereas almost all economists would agree that american consumers pay the price for tariffs but to give him credit, he's had a coherent philosophy around it. he's probably in our time, he's probably the most effective communicator of that philosophy, even though it's one experts don't share. and so in some way, when you get donald trump talking about tariffs kristen, trade deficits and negotiations, especially, you're seeing him at his best, even though he does have this weaving style of communication, i'd argue it's not that different from how a lot of politicians speak, a lot of politicians will respond with an anecdote rather than directly addressed the question. in some way. we're seeing the crux of the difference between donald trump and how the consensus of economists view this issue in some sense, the one policy that trump has been consistent on, the one singular policy it has been does the months since the 1980s, at least, is the idea

that other countries are taking advantage of the united states when it comes to trade. >> and yet his view of certain trade deals, even his view of certain world leaders and nations has been troubled at times because of his rhetoric. he talks about having a good relationship with kim jong un, someone who we called little rocket man. just one example. and that's an adversary, not a lot ally. so coleman, i do wonder how you took the point that he made when he was talking about senator lindsey graham, who he mislabeled as a progressive at one point, saying that you can't have trump policies without trump himself because i know a lot of conservatives have lamented, at least through this election cycle kickl, that they wish that it was someone running on his policies. does not him delivering the message and the distraction yeah. >> it's a very good question and it's something we're thinking about like threatened to pull out of nato. it makes the hair on my

arm raised because i think nato is an incredibly important alliance, not something that should be spoken so lightly of. on the other hand, trump, since for decades he has prized himself as this great negotiator. and he has said that one of his negotiation strategies is to threaten something crazy in order to get some result and again, this is his instinct. it's an instinct that can be dangerous because you have to be willing to do the crazy thing, or at least south korea has to actually be worried that he's going to pull troops out, which i think would be a terrible idea but they have to really be worried in order to actually respond and from trump's perspective, he has to make the crazy threat in order to get our nato allies to pave the 2% of their gdp and so forth. but again, there are these examples where he calls the leader of north korea a little rocket man, which is such a flagrant and flippant

and dangerous move and could have terrible consequences. so there are two sides to it that he feels he can get concessions out of these countries by threatening crazy things. but on the other hand, you have to actually threaten those crazy things. it as a world leader of the most important country on earth, you don't really want your leader to threaten crazy things. >> well he sees our allies as potential adversaries grace in every in every way. and he basically said that, you know, today and this has been his mo for his entire life. i remember reporting about donald trump with some real estate executives and they said, you know, he'd walk into a meeting. they were about to come that's some deal. and he would just blow it up. and then walk out because he wanted a better deal or he wanted something else. and this is, you know, this is this is what he does. he blows things up and then comes back to the table and i think that's kind of what you're hearing from him. so it's been a constant in his

life for decades. and you know, donald trump hasn't changed since the 70s, right? and he's the same person. he always was and that is the way he would negotiate with allies. and try and negotiate with adversaries yeah, it might work sometimes, it might sometimes it doesn't. i will say today that the conversation that we have so far her today is better than a dance party because at least you're hearing donald trump answered direct questions as kristen was saying, which many times in many arenas you don't get to hear the answer to and so it was good to have him sit down and be challenged on tariffs and whether he talked to putin, et cetera. >> i think it was very useful in some arenas. >> all you hear is ymca, right? exactly. >> maria, which some might fara playlist, borger, coleman hughes. thank you both so much for the were going to continue to

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are on loan to the national zoo for ten years with an annual fee of 1 million to port conservation efforts back in china. >> let's bring in the host of abc's wildlife nation, jeff corwin to talk about this jeff, this is so fan we were here in dc were very i'm more excited than board for us to be honest. i mean, you can just kind it is like it's radiating off of me as it is for so many people here in our nation's capital why is this so important? >> boris war out his pen writing little quip, some pandas yes. brainstorming brainstorming. >> well, it's yes, this is kind of finally this epic day the great partnership, that great friendships between these great nations connects over pandas as they make this epic journey from china too. >> downtown dc so jeff, i know

a keeper from the national zoo spent the last ten days with the pandas. what is it like to get to know a panda and to have it become familiar with you enough that you can welcome it as a friend in a new home well you know, these animals go through a tremendous amount of enrichment and social cultivation to ensure that they are prepared to adapt to their new home. >> at the various zoos where they will be living around the world. there are 600 pandas living in our global zoos. only about 1,800 pandas survived today in the wild. so it's an important mission to really tell the story where they serve as an ambassador regarding endangered species and china, boris it's base a huge problem nearly 4,000 endangered species in china, but a tremendous

amount of work has gone in to ensure that this habitat will be welcoming there will be no surprises essentially, it's like muscle memory for everybody on board to ensure that these pandas will thrive and have a quality existence. at our national zoo. one of the best zoos on the planet love that our neighborhood zoo why are people jeff so obsessed with pandas? because it really is this huge thing when they, when they come and go because they have a certain stay, right. and when they left the national zoo last time, i mean, people were crying over it. there's been this period of time where we haven't had the pandas now they're back. it's so exciting why are people so crazy for them i think we have this anthropomorphic connection to pandas because they are adorable and they have this cuddly look, although personally, i would not want to cuddle with a panda because

likely if i did, i would spend a couple of hours an urgent care for afterwards because they are wild creatures. >> so we sometimes lose the fact that there are wild and they're endangered again, the hope is they serve as this umbrella species because they live in this remote imperiled forest. if you protect the ecosystem and the panda, you protect all those other species that live there. but this is kind of a double-edged sword because it we all fall prey to charismatic species syndrome. we think there are more important than other species. the truth is pandas are no more special and no more important than all the other endangered species that face extinction on our planet. >> we should love all are creatures and endangered wildlife, like we do with our pandas. >> but thankfully, there the ambassador species that tell this very important story on a logical and emotional level, i

totally take that point, jeff, that all species are precious and yet we're playing video of these pandas and they're just so cute. >> like i want to do what they're doing pretty is laying around towns like you were actually wearing a panda suit like i shouldn't do now should be i were the colors, but i should have been and in a suit halloween >> and of course, social media drives that. we see them. they have personalities. we know these two individual pan pandas have their own personalities. they're very intelligent creatures, very interactive. they have incredible colonel skills, but they faced incredible pressures. they have a high level of infertility which is why we need to have these zoo type breeding programs to ensure that they survived. but yeah, they're awesome. they're adorable, and they were hardwired to have all our heart muscle was tagged by these pandas and tugged indeed

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