post content from his bedroom so your in the pandas. >> i should sorry. >> before we start, can we just move one big pander to that one there, which doubles as his studio why do you love them so much? killed. so kilts the pandas that go part of the exchange program from here in china to the u.s. what do you make of that? >> you waited so good. >> this is an agreement between china and the u.s. and because i love my country and i love pandas, i support it well. you got the panda exchange for panda diplomacy dates back to 1972. president nixon's historic visit sparking china to send pandas to the u.s. >> and now to many other countries once of planning to pull off this transfer and in washington, renovations to make sure about li and qing bao was new home is just right down some tree trimming here also you know, there >> they're going to climb. they loved azuz, been advertising pandas are coming

and now they've arrived together for that panda pair, aaron, they're going to spend about 30 days in quarantine according to zoo officials, then they're going to debut to the public in january. january 24 is now the official date. they just announced that i feel like every time you and i have talked about us, u.s.-china, it does tend to be about something about conflict, about tensions. this show so is that it's all of that panda diplomacy, 50 plus years strong can push through. >> it really does, and it does matter while there is that level of kind of cuteness to it, it matters so much. what david culver. thank you so much. i appreciate it. thanks for joining us. the source starts now tonight. >> what women want a town hall gives donald trump a stage to close the gender gap. >> and he defends naming names on who is an enemy from within? plus this, or that he is

running full-time on a campaign that is about instilling fear, not about hope. >> kamala harris highlights contrast after contrast, the man has told you he intends to terminate the constitution in a new interview meant to win black men to her side. also the trump economy was very good at mathematics. the republican nominee's says, forget the numbers. >> then we're all about everything. so of you, by the way, when confronted with cold, hard math, that his promises don't add up and how do you like dem peaches? a closely watched two swing states smashes an early voting record live at the table. bakari sellers able maldonado, ryan good, dusky, and ashley allison with 21 days to go, americans with different perspectives aren't talking to each other but here they do

in new york. let's get right to what america is talking about not like us. tonight. kamala harris sat for a lengthy interview with charlamagne, tha god. and if you want to condense her message to black voters, those three words from kendrick lamar pretty much crystallized how she sees the choice that america is facing in just three weeks his plan includes making it more difficult for working people to get by and to destroy our democracy. >> you know what he says? he'll do terminate the constitution. united states. the man has told you all these things about his disregard and disrespect for your freedoms and liberties including the right of a woman to make decisions about her own body. january 6 donald trump incited a violent mob to try and undo the will of the people and undo the results of a free and fair election. and he has

said since then that there will be a blood bath after this election cnn contributor and podcast host carrie champion is with us. she's in our fifth seat tonight. a carry just one note before i let you jump in. the comment about the bloodbath thing we've said it before, we'll say it again. it's not that is not the context in which it was said. that being said, what did you make of this lengthy live callers? colin in it it was it seems what a lot of people have been asking for from her. yeah. what did you make of it? >> i thought it was interesting because there were also people there. you could see if you watched live online. there were also people in the quote-unquote audience, if you will. but what i took away right away from her and what i am hearing from her, she's bullying the bully and she is now taking this in a way that she's not playing defense, she's playing offense and she's letting everyone know what she thinks of him and she's coming across to me as a very strong leader. she's using his tactics against him. you were week what kind of manner

you who would do that? you gave the russian president covid tests while american qin's died, she started off right off the bat saying that, and to me she was establishing her power, but the message, the bigger message was to, i believe, and i'm not a black man. i'll pass that to bakari at this moment. but as she wanted to establish some sort of, some sort of loyalty, perhaps trusts some connect with black men who feel like she doesn't connect. i also heard and by the way, there's nothing wrong with this. this was the beauty of it when they started to question, but the blackman start to ask her questions. they were skeptical. are you sure you're not just using me. are you sure you're not just saying this, just to say this? and that's what they should be doing to make her stand on what she has to say and believe in what she says. >> question that charlemagne is a friendly interview interviewer. but the questions that were coming at her, we're not necessarily coming from that perspective. do you think she she she crossed that hurdle adequately for the people who

want to feel like they can trust her? yes. i mean, i wouldn't couch it as a friendly interview or i mean, i think you have to look at the substance of literally endorsed her, so i think respect this is a friendly interview. >> respectfully, it was substantive all right and i think that, you know, i think it's very substantive. i think that her answers were were thoughtful. i thought that she got off talking points even charlemagne at one point said, what do you, how do you feel about people who say that you stick to your talking points? and she said, that's what that's what i call discipline. i love. you. just kind of go through that. it was a clear contrast, but even more importantly, when we talk about her going to charlemagne and speaking directly to voters, you very rarely hear the fact that most of the interviews that donald trump does are on fox news on how harvey levin on people who adore him, eight and ross, like people who look up to him. i mean, eight and ross actually showed up in a trump rat whatever the ostentatious truck is that elon musk made a cyber whatever i babies i

can't afford everyday but like but so yeah, i mean, you know, sometimes people go and they play home gains but the questions we received were not necessarily friendly questions. they were from people as you said, who were at ef-4s, which sat word means fence sitter. i mean steady my sat word for this showed a man giuffre, people who had their head in the sand and black man had been cautiously optimistic about what kamala harris may mean. and today i thought it then also, there are a lot of people off and mainstream media because this was the best interview i thought that she's done. i thought it was the best interview don't project that honest. >> nobody's it was an interesting interview at let's play more from kamala let's play some more from kamala harris okay. mccarthy i want to play this bite because she this is one of the questions we were talking about. this comes from a pastor who basically says to her, would this is what donald trump is saying about you in

the churches? >> you've been criticized by him and others for your lack of engagement to the black church. >> they are trying to scare people away because they know they otherwise have nothing to run on. as donald trump, what his plan is for black on there kim what i'll tell you what it is. look at project 2025. he's selling $60 bibles or tennis shoes trying to play people as those that it makes him more understanding of the black community come on what is donald trump's plan for black america? >> ryan? >> well, he hasn't endorsed another platinum plan like he did last time, but he certainly has spoken a black voters a number of times in his support with black voters is at the largest of any republicans since richard nixon in 19 60. i think that it's not so much trump's campaign this time has not been so much racialize

where he speaks only to black voters and only does manic voters wherever he's speaking to the youth demographic, a lot. mccarthy said he'd only does fox, but he's on every podcast known to man at this point, every bro podcast, every comedy podcast he was on with shelves. a couple of days ago. it was a huge, huge audience. so he does speak to young men, period. it's not so racialized. i think it's very, very important because younger black voters, if you look at polls, are not as connected to the black church, they are not connected to institutionalize the things within black, black america as it's older black voters are, which is i think part of the generational divide i mean, that's a fair point. >> i mean, trump is doing in a different way. do you think it's working well, look, i think he does talk about stuff in a racialized way different in a different way. but let's, where do we begin quite honestly? they're its derogatory names towards countries like haiti and in west africa or when he was,

when he was asked about the black american plan, when he was in a black church in detroit, a couple of months ago, he immediately started talking about violence and crime he doesn't have a plan for black america. he is the vice president says pandering to black americans when he talks about a gold shoe or a bible bible selling it's a black audiences as gold shoes or his bibles. that's to his fans that he bore his mug shot t-shirts as he says, when he was in the black man, he literally sat me and black people like me because i have a mug shot. yes oh, it's not that's not a plan. that's not even a concept of a plan that's like disrespect, but that's what i mean. it's not a plan, it's not a concept of a plan. >> platinum plan though he did do things while he was president, two black american, that's the main and in favor of that that's what i mean, they are some of his plan the platinum plan it did that already pardon me. >> point is that people have lived under his economy and what is you going to do for

black america, for latino america. >> we've seen it. >> prices were lower housing was affordable. inflation was low. people who are safe to see the border was sealed i can go on and on and on and all of a sudden, you're asked a question what does he have now, people have watched what he's done and there. and now they're looking at joe biden and kamala's economy and they're saying, we can't survive on this are checked, doesn't go far enough. abby, times are tough. the border is open people. whether you're latino or you're a black american, you want a seal border to, you want to be safe at home so they've seen that all along. so i think this notion that what's his plan, they've seen his plan and they know it's going to get better. >> i hear you a little bit. i mean, i think that when people say that the border is sealed, i look at the fact that he said he was going to build a wall and mexico was going to pay for the wall does not built in mexico didn't pay for it if you want to talk but inflation, inflation is actually lower today than it was at any point during donald trump's presidency. people that we've

heard that's actually don't feel new have to make sure that that is a very good point. people don't feel that way. and so what people are looking for is not, and this is where kamala harris has an advantage over donald trump, because what you to want to actually sit here and so viewers is fine. let's look at the four years and what voters actually look for is what do the next four years look like? and what do black americans think? because that was a question abby asked when i talk to black, i was in detroit last night with delray lindo and don cheadle in cornelius smith and thomas book and a few others. but everybody is talking about the fact that he wants to do things like have a national stop and frisk he wants to he wants now he said that you don't have to nod your head and then he wants to he wants to get rid of he wants to make sure that police officers can act with impunity and have absolutely you were talking just yesterday, ryan, about how the context of riots he was saying, let's just bring the military and two it to deal with american citizens. >> i mean, that happened yesterday, right? >> but there are the post george floyd riots resulted in excess of over 15,000 black

male deaths in this country how the surge of violent crime, it was like ferguson the bag got into florida you got it. >> you got to explain to me how george floyd's death yeah. >> causation that's really what it is after the ferguson. right. and after the floyd riot, police men in fear of their jobs many times and political coverage pulled back from their jobs resulting in an increase. >> listen, i got to stop hold. >> you can look at the washington price we've got to stop you there because you're literally making a connection out of your own conjecture. not it's a real thing. look up, look up the ferguson effect, look up the floyd effect. it is a real terms not you can real term. i didn't make this invent a connection between two things just because you want that i didn't actually didn't little like a name. it's a real thing, you right list

>> i just want everyone to settle down because if people cannot here at home, everybody is talking okay. go ahead. no. i just think there has to be a level of intellectual honesty and one of the things we can talk about here when we talk about donald trump is he's actually somebody who never spoke out about george floyd's death. >> and for me it's kind of personal because as a black man, when you have someone with a knee on the neck for nine minutes and some change and you're actually calling out for your mother while you're being suffocated on national tv and you are a parent and a son and a brother that goes a long way that the further this ingenuity, or dishonesty for me is, you we cannot you cannot say that what happened during that time period is to blame for the deaths of other black men due to violence. so i 100% happen, but, but, but that literally my point to you is that makes absolutely no sense i would i would argue to you as somebody that i'm not coming from a perspective where i want fewer police i don't i want police actually be paid more. i just want better police, more qualified police. i wanted to be a database where police, if they commit that acts they can't just go from one

department to another. that's criminal justice reform. >> okay. but george floyd didn't cause 15,000 word here before you jump in. i mean we should know that we're talking about things that happened when donald trump was president, right? >> right. it was the president. but so how is he not responsible for well, the president has control local police departments. >> okay. but you're trying to blame crime on joe biden? no. you don't blame republicans, blame by crime on joe biden but you cannot, but you're saying that that people who died when donald trump was president, that's not his fault. i don't i don't agree with either blame being assigned to either president. i think well, i didn't sleep just don't have a magic wand and they don't control crime from the white house. but if you're going to say that joe biden and kamala harris are responsible for rising it's in crime. >> i didn't say that i didn't. >> i will say as we're talking about what the future is for black americans and what i will say is that kamala harris supports the george floyd justice and policing act, which

again, i have no idea what you're talking about in terms of connection. i don't i will read it so and then i will fact check the sources that actually wrote that. but that's what we're talking about for a plan for black america is how we make public safety something so that everyone, black, white, brown can live in safe communities. that's not what donald trump wants. donald trump again, doesn't want a better border because if you could have had a better border under this president by supporting a bill and he didn't want to do it but we do have to pause there. >> there's actually a lot more to talk about. we'll continue this conversation in many others coming up next. we have much more breaking news from the campaign trail tonight, donald trump is doubling down on his enemy from within remarks calling it the iv, the left evil, plus his rambling and sometimes incoherent interview about his economic plans. since his media stock falling >> they are trying to shut down this legal loophole to get 100

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really meant it when he suggested using the military to handle quote enemies within enemies, he says, like democrats, adam schiff and nancy pelosi. here is the full quote. he says, they're dangerous for our country. we have china, we have russia, we have all these countries. if you have a sart president, they can all be handled. the more difficult are the pelosi's. these people are so sick and there's so evil you know, i don't want to hear just it's just me. one more thing about the rhetoric endangering trump if he continues to say things like that. yeah. >> and it's very specific. he's going after women again, that difficult conversation feels like dog whistle politics to me, like is he trying to say that women are difficult? is he trying to say kamala's difficult? i go into so many different options and it's hard to know what he what he should say, but it's all a lie. it's the other point. it's not true. and what's interesting is that, that is the entire

basis of what he has been trying to put out this campaign is i guess what none of this is true. it's actually them. we forget about january 6. it's amazing to me how we have set but short-term memory. we act as if none of this happened and it's really disgusting. it's so she has to stand there and say, yes, have to defend things about herself that i believe just aren't true. sorry, hit you. i got very very upset about the issue, but he is not telling the truth and his whole thing is that he wants to make it seem like he's the victim and over he is ratcheting up the rhetoric in a way that if you go by what republicans have been saying over the last several weeks it's dangerous if you just go by that definition yes. it's dangerous. he's calling americans. he's saying they are evil. he's firm calling them vermin. he's saying that the military will handle people like nancy pelosi, the former former speaker of the house, and adam schiff why every your think, if you look at president trump he has been the most pursued president ever. i mean, they're on him every day. i mean, just

everybody them. the pelosi's hold on so who was who was there when i just don't like the use of the term they when there's a legal system that's working completely independently from some kind of universal day. so can we be specific? >> but you look at former president's who has been more mistreated than president donald j. trump. >> if you think about that, i mean, think about that every day they're on him, every day. so of course he's going to fight back. he can to fight back every that's who we need to counterpunch or he'll tell you that it's so is that what this is fighting back or is he running, threatening his political thing? on the military? >> i think he's fighting back he did with the military. i made it. if you think about it which is actually, let's be clear, not constitutional, but that's what he's so i understand that. >> but you got to understand. i mean, i look at him sometimes that i asked myself president trump, he's a fighter every

day. i mean, if if it's me an impeachment, i mean suze i'm ages goes on. so of course he gets a little testy. he got to punch back. that's who donald j. trump is. >> let me let me, let me read a little bit more about what from what he said tonight, he said somebody asked me, can they be brought together you know, i never really i never thought really, i wasn't thinking like they could because they are very different. and it is the enemy from within. they are very he dangerous. they're marxists and communists and fascists. they're sick. again, i, i'm old enough to remember the summer when the talk was that trump was going to try to bring this country together. he saying can't be done. they're fascist, they're marxists, they're communists. they're sick. >> i don't know who they are. is that he's talking about i would say, first and foremost, he shouldn't call nancy pelosi evil since her husband was attacked. first and foremost, and it was horrific. but i think that there there's

donald trump's essential problem. a lot of times interviews, he's speaking half and has had in half out loud. and unless you're privy to the part of the conversation he's said before in his head, you don't really understand where exactly he's going? i don't know exactly what he's talking about there. i will say there aren't nuggets that are true. there are people in this country who don't have very good intentions for it. and there are also foreign adversaries. i don't have very you're good intentions for it that are operating within our country. we've had a number of people, elected officials having spies within their office, high level ranking officers. so i don't exactly know where he's going with the military about democrats. >> yeah, it's it's pretty it's pretty simple. the context is that he's talking about democrats because he named two of them he named psilocybin schumer. schumer. okay. yeah. >> i'm sorry i'm chef. okay. yeah. i just i think it's something totally different. i mean, i think we're giving the former president wait too much credit. it's point. i just think that he is diminished, correct? i don't i don't think that he's being, you know, somebody who is necessarily saying today, i'm going to go out and incite political violence i don't

think today he's like, i'm a go out there and talk to my base. i mean, that's just not exactly who he is right now. he is a diminished person when when we saw sit down today with bloomberg, how could you say diminished for car his numbers. >> we'll talk about that in a minute because we were we were discussing this yesterday and there was a time his piece talking to a lot of trump voters who basically say i don't take this seriously, trump is trump and he's just correct. >> you mean he asked me to read question, so let me answer it. like he said, how can i call them diminished the question was asked at the on c-span today at bloomberg news, they said, should google be broken up? and trump's response was virginia cleaned up its voter rolls and got rid of hundreds and thousands of bad voters. and then the reported looked at him and said that the question was about good. yeah. yeah. we'll show middle-class, not a spoiler alert, but we have a whole side, but i my only point is that like it's it's very clear and i mean, if you're going to sit here and tell viewers that the donald trump of today is the same one of

2016, then i think the viewers would probably say that you're not being honest with them. this man is somebody you need to give some denease and took them in. >> and also, you keep saying that's just trump. why is that? okay. >> what other what other what other know what you know what are following that. look at the hispanic community, who would have ever thought at tight on the border, secure the border, deport criminals, 44% latinos endorsing president donald. >> 44% around 35%, 30 years is higher than that 39% argue about her deployed your son for i mean, i guess i just want more i want more i want to adults to demand more from our leaders. >> and i wonder i've been really reflecting what are our children thinking about this right now when i mean, i remember going up, you were told not to lie, were told not to speak port nasty about

people be kind. we aren't seeing that in the nominee of the republican party. now, i'll say there has been heightened rhetoric i don't like to both sides it but there has been heightened rhetoric and what but those aren't the candidates. kamala harris is not saying that about donald trump. donald trump is saying that, and i think calm a threat to democracy in the i think he is a threat to opinion, but trump i, but my point is i can call him a threatens democracy and that doesn't mean he's, i'm calling him evil are calling her names. i'm saying i want to beat him at the ballot box. and i don't, that i realized that hopefully a democracy hopefully a democracy can see by what he is saying is that he doesn't actually want to democracy. he wants to go after people who disagree with him as enemies of the state, which is not what happens in a democracy. that's what happens in a dig to you, acknowledge that there's a difference between someone saying that his political opponents, the left, are scum and evil, and someone saying that this person is not

going to uphold the constitution and is a threat to democracy. but harris, is there a difference? yes. and why, which is why the fact that harris lied and then entry which you pointed out when she so that was a blood bath. there was gonna be a bloodbath and she lied about it. that is irrelevant to the no, it's not she lied. i mean, it is and he has laid out that she lied and she said, i she said there will be that you did false good journal. and what i'm asking you is if you're trying to compare rhetoric to rhetoric and trump is saying they're scum, they're evil. i need to go after them with the military. don't you think that that is substantively at in terms of tone, in terms of tenor, in terms of magnitude, very different from an argument that says donald trump isn't going to respect the rule of law well, she did say was he was going to promote violence a yes or no? >> no, no. she did say today trudeau, i should say you said yes. earlier somehow because i think that that's really what this conversation about that trump is taking the rhetoric to a different level. and i don't think you want to defend the rhetoric. defend the rhetoric,

but don't try to say that it's the same. >> it's not the same way so she did do that. the second point is, i think there's been always been a problem of donald trump since he ran for office, where a certain set of people take him figuratively and certainly will take them literally. and the ones in the media who take every word he says literally, would it cannot understand it but they were right on time here's what we're gonna do here. >> we're going to report the things that and then let the voters decide carrie, thank you very much. everyone else stick around later. >> an eye opening scene when donald trump is confronted about his economic plans and responds with deflections and insults you paired some of it earlier. another special guests is going to join us in our fifth seat to discuss all of that next before election day. >> vice president harris basis his voters and takes the pressing questions, lie anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential town hall. kamala harris, wednesday, october 23 at nine eastern on cnn

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thing with it, giving giveaways. >> but when i was i was actually quite kind to you. i use 7 trillion the upper estimate, just 15 people like the wall street journal, he's hardly a communist organization, but you don't have criticized you on this as well. you are running up enormous death. >> what does the wall street journal now a meeting with them tomorrow. what does the wall street journal? they've been wrong about everything so of you >> fill up. i'll let you jump in here this was not a softball interview and that's kind of how it went. a lot of the interview was like that. >> yeah, this was not maria bartiromo on fox news, the way it was on sunday where it just the person nodding along, you know, i think what this really revealing about this interview, and we don't see a lot of interviews like this. i think we can all acknowledge that donald trump doesn't do a lot of sit-downs with adversarial interviewers. what was really revealing was the extent to which he has made his opposition to the enemy's, the central element of his campaign

used to be that he would come out and you know, i'm a business guy and how these guys work. i'm going to do good stuff and now it's just like i want to do paris immigrations bad on donald trump and i'm going to take up bad guys. that's that just pitch. and that was the pitch there. normally, you'd expect a presidential candidate sit down to someone with with the gravitas of bloomberg and the interviewer, there in that setting and have real policy positions and articulate exactly what is going to do. but donald trump recognizes, or at least believes that he doesn't need to do that, that he can just do the same pitch. i'm gonna do a bunch of terrorists because we're going to, we're going to make the chinese and for manufacturers pay. immigration is at the heart of all all this. and you're a jerk and that's it. and that's the campaign. >> he was kind of a people want to hear little control of himself. it seemed in those moments because he was getting angry when the question was basically explained how your policy is going to work. >> yeah. i think it was wrought with policy. i want people to understand what the policy was. donald trump is going to raise taxes when everyone in the country, i mean that he even

admitted that that's what tariffs are. he's going to he's going to terrorist attacks, which is just what joe biden understands using tariff as a tool to negotiate because they know he's not using look, you talked about arc vehicles go into europe they put 100% tax credit attacks, tariffs. >> so let me ask you a very simple question. when he implements these tariffs across the board, these 10% tariffs across the board, and they're not retaliatory. they're not terrorist just against china, but they're across the board and you want to talk about vehicles. you want to talk about the manufacturing the gm does in places like mexico the parts that come from mexico, the fact the prices of cars and vehicles are going to go up we'll, everyday citizens have an increase in costs, yes or no bakari. >> every tariff bakari that will be put on a vehicle or anything coming and he's made it very clear. he wants america first, he wants the job. well, it costs. he wants to most americans when do we? i would it cost us more or less? it's a tariff. >> still didn't go up. >> it's not going to go in, it's not going to it's an exam.

>> i'm sorry. he's bse. >> well it's a negotiator. he's been he's here's the problem with that. is that the trump is both. if you claim that it's negotiate getting tactic, he is 100%. yeah, but he's also saying he's also saying, and i'll play i play the clip. he's also saying that it is going to be how he pays for everything. so listen to this part of the interview you've made, your plans would add 7.5 trillion to the debt that's more than twice the total for vice president harris you are on course to push up debt up to 150% of gdp. this is a very business-like audience. why should they trust you with that? >> to me the most beautiful word in the dictionary is tariff and it's my favorite word. it needs a public relations firm but it's

diminished so much beautiful word and the terrorists, terrorist, you think that will bring in the revenues to use another bipartisan group? yeah, peace and institute, they saved only bring in $200 billion. >> that is only, that's barely the cost of two of your promises. >> yeah. but that's like foot forward company. >> you cannot you cannot have it both ways. it cannot be just a negotiating tactic. and also going to raise hundreds of billions of dollars in revenue, trillions of dollars in revenue to pay for the things that he's just very quickly point something out dude was president he imposed tariffs. >> americans paid for it, like in joe biden, kamala harris did not retrieve them were the goalposts it's not just negotiating can do it and cost one when trump included a steel tariff in 2018, march of 2018, the price of steel today, which biden never took that tariff way for china, the price is still today is less than it was in 2018. >> i, despite covid despite everything else, right. prices

did not this doesn't, this doesn't change the same question asked him though. i mean, we were talking i hear you, but with a cross for everyday goods, for middle-class america, go up or not if he implements these terrorists and those who aren't buying feel that it does not show, was that not true, want to study, did not he's going to have to leave. it was even called it a tax streets to increase amount. we're producing in this country. and what you won't have a tear for their produce in this country. that's just like it's a turnkey, like, okay, let's open the factory tomorrow. like i mean, that's what joe biden has attempted. that's what donald trump and every press, but not under the it is of this, this tariff which is already increased costs for americans. >> and then you add no tax on tips. you can not everything else that he's talked about it saying it's what did he give away? >> that's what that's what that's exactly what the member yes, he's able you were to lieutenant governor? yep. okay. no taxes on tips. no taxes on overtime. that costs money.

>> you can yeah but it costs money. so how would they lower the corporate rate from 21 to 15 if you're in america, you can't invent policy for trump. that's not trump's policy. his policy is that the way to pay for that is tariffs. that is the policy. >> no, it's not. i think tariffs is just a negotiation port. his policy, it's plenty of growing the economy, grow the economy but people back to work for them, american is what them, one of the things kamala harris talks about all the time, that neither one of them have been able to articulate because donald trump hasn't been able to articulate it, is the fact that we want to increase wages for american workers we're, you're talking about costs rising the best way to cap costs is to go out there and do things like price gouging, but that's present, but actually it's actually going is actually growing at a faster rate than not if you're deduced, inflation just makes stuff that's like, i'm just telling you every economic index khader from the gtp to inflation, to wage growth to the stock market every literally every economic indicator want other the last three years has been better

than it was under donald trump. >> and we forget to mention ryan. >> i want ashley to be able to get she has been sitting here patiently. sorry. >> i got excited. >> well i thought this was a great robust discussion i guess what i'm thinking here is the challenge is, is the reason why it's a neck and neck race is because i said this last night, i don't actually think this is about policy. this is about who the voter is trusting right now to have their best interests in mind. and part of the frustrating thing is that we just are able to say things now and i shouldn't look at you because i'm sorry. >> but you're sitting next to me, but were able to say things now, whether they are trump's policies or not, he gets to just go off and say like what did he say? >> see spot dog run you know, and it's like that's a great policy that's wonderful. and there's no fact checking of him. there's no real testing of it. and then there's people that go out and say like, yeah, that's right, that's right. and so the american people, they know that they want cost to go down. and i'm not sure

they actually are paying dungeon to anybody's argument about how it's going to happen. we just want to trust the person wanted we do have to go? >> i do want to say i think that you're onto something and if you listen to this whole thing, you would maybe expect to hear something more concrete about how this is going to work for the american people he didn't. and that was part of what made it such a fascinating listen everyone, hang on coming up next for you tonight out of the state of georgia, a judge there makes a ruling on republican efforts to change the voting rules that's swing state as early voting is already shattering big records weekend as questions like, what was a comedy show doing on cnn that's too much but i want donald now, can you slice that i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn? tired of sciatic nerve pain radiating down your leg and lower back, get relief

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eastern in georgia is pausing a new rule that would require officials from to hand-count the number of ballots cast in each polling place. that rule comes after georgia voters set a record today for early votes in that battleground state, more than 300,000 votes were cast. that is more than double the previous record set during the pandemic in 2020 that's pretty extraordinary. great they're just votes. we don't know anything about them. we don't know where they're from. we don't know who they're from. but it tells you something about enthusiasm, right? >> in every early state in pennsylvania and virginia and georgia, they've all had record record-breaking are first day voting. virginia had huge sort of pennsylvania out of out of philadelphia and pittsburgh area the difference is this is though the mail-in vote in georgia is substantially smaller this time, it's smaller by hundreds of thousands, but there is a very high intensity for very high-propensity voters to get out there and vote early

on the first day. and we're seeing it across the entire country is i mean, i think generally that's right. that these are not necessarily people who we're not going to vote. they're people who were excited about voting michael mcdonald's new university of florida, who tracks early voting very closely. he has note of caution that in 2020 it's not exactly apples to apples because in 2020 things weren't exactly working right in georgia. so we should take that with a grain of salt. the thing that i think is ia in the metric that i looked at earlier this week that the thought really spoke to that well, was that in hugo's pulling for cbs news, they actually found that while three in ten trump voters say they're voting for trump because they want to oppose kamala harris only four in ten harris voters said they were doing that because they wanted to oppose trump. that's different. we had seen previously that it was most biden voters, for example, both in 2020 and 2024 doing is they didn't like trump. this is actually enthusiasm for harris, which i think is an interesting indicator for campaigns and things i would say, one, i understand your point about mail-in versus in-person. i mean, we were in the middle of a pandemic, so people were

stuck in their house. and so obviously voting in-person was a higher risk. but even still, these numbers are something to watch because just three months ago when joe biden was still in the race, georgia wasn't even a state that people were talking about that was in play. and the question you have to ask, is that for so long people did not want this matchup of biden and trump and the enthusiasm level was down. so is this playing and harris his favor because the numbers are going up, is that et bump because she's now in the room and you can actually tell a lot about this more so than people actually give it credit for. i mean, you were looking at the numbers today out of places like richmond county, which is augusta, georgia, it's place where joe biden won by 20 points plus and you had nearly double the number of voters come out and vote early. and so you can, you can't tell so who's voting for what, when, where, or how, but you can get a good feel for it. and when you look at places like georgia, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, democrats have to feel good about that when you look in places in

nevada somewhat, but when you look in places like arizona in north carolina, you say democrats have work to do, but i do have to give a shout out, particularly in georgia to somebody like stacey abrams because this didn't happen overnight, georgia was a deep red state for a long period of time. it was a deep red southern state for long period of time. stacey abrams did the work and now it's uphill for republicans because you've had raphael warnock, you've had jon ossoff, you had raphael warnock. you've had raphael warnock. it feels like he's run every other month. you've had raphael warnock and then you had joe biden. when is well and so that boat listen early votes traditionally bode well for democrat, i, you know, i think this is kind speculation, but it does kind of seem to me that voters, they understand the dynamics here and they want to cast a vote in a way that they know is not going to slow down the process. it's going to definitely be counted when they want it to be counted. that's probably why they're voting early as opposed to by mail as well. >> abby, i just got off the bus. i spent three days in north carolina on the trump 47 bus and i got to share with you the enthusiasm is off the charts. wilmington all

charlotte, gastonia, all over the state of north carolina and the message has been very, very clear get out vote early, get out and vote on the first day that you're available. why? >> so we know we can take you off the volt the rolls because money tight on our end but the enthusiasm is high. so today when i saw the lines in georgia, in my mind, it's the message of get out and vote early for the republican party, for donald j. trump. that's kind of how i feel i'm witnessing it on the ground. >> both campaigns, perhaps feeling optimistic about those numbers will see philip bump. >> thank you very much for joining us, everyone else stick with us coming up next the panel gives us their night caps, including a last-minute move by republicans in a nail-biter of a race win class president would be slogan wow, working on campaign posters yep, boat from madison because she's so cool and has the best snacks that are alice. so my experience as a political

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men are coming out. so i'm excited about the energy people want to know when the beyonce concerts happening, but we'll see, we'll see. >> go ahead. >> every today is nationally snl cheese curds day in america. i just want you to know that as a californian, i've never had them, but when i was in milwaukee, wisconsin for the republican convention, and i visited the cnn grill. they were on full display. >> and i got to tell you something. when you bite those suckers you can hear the squeak and i'm happy birthday. republicans left their wallet in milwaukee republicans are spending a last-minute ad blitz across the country on the issue of boys playing in girls sports on surgery engender surgeries for criminals, and on the idea of allowing children to get puberty blockers with their parents, parental consent. this is the issue that got glenn youngkin elected in virginia, is the issue that red pilled

elon musk and is the issue that's going to push a lot of men into the republican party this november. yellen totally just going to say when from cheese curds turn it's okay. i'll bring actually tyra banks is bags. she walked the victoria secret fashion show today. she's 50 50-years-old i just think that this is a reminder that you can come back to the thing you love. you can reinvent yourself. i feel like it's a woman empowerment thing and she killed it. so we love you tyra i, you know, i think people, this is going to be this is my hot take. >> people have been coming for tyra, but i think that she is a trailblazer and everybody we all have flaws, but she deserves her flowers for doing what she has done for so many years. and then for coming back, coming back, it's not easy to come back in the fashion industry at a woman at 50 and say like i loved the body that i'm in and i'm proud of it. it's a real message for