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stick the a talking point that some media says you had that will be called discipline. >> it's called the wave. >> it's all these different things happen the script, which is the, we've both candidates brushing off criticism of their styles during the end run here, and the ground game we take a look at one very influential grassroots group that hopes to move voters in trump's direction east coast. a live look at new york city on this wednesday morning good morning, everyone. >> i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us. we are now just 20 days away from election day, less than three weeks. a new poll out this morning, finding, you guessed it a race that is truly tied. kamala harris, donald trump, both with 50% of voters behind them when third parties are excluded nationwide, more

than 5 million people have already cast their votes by mail or in person. those that haven't apparently eager to do so at 4% of likely voters. say they're enthusiastic about voting this year and that excitement was on display in georgia yesterday, where more than 300,000 people cast their ballots on the first day of early voting. more than doubling the record set in 2020 because last time i waited, my i'm going around the block around the corner. now i'm getting my vote in today. >> it's election affects the whole country and also the world. so get up and go get out there and vote that turnout, apparently not lost on trump, who's now encouraging early and mail in voting after spending years criticizing it and claiming without evidence that was responsible for quote massive electoral fraud so if you have a ballot return it immediately, if not go tomorrow, as soon as you can go to the polls and vote early voting is underway, get everyone out, get everyone, you

know, just get them all out to vote go tomorrow. >> after all, we have been through together, we stand on the verge of the four greatest years of the history of our country harris continued her media outreach yesterday, appearing on the breakfast club for a town hall discussion, the vice president going further than she has before in her criticism of trump following a question from host charlemagne tha god it's two very different visions for our nation. >> one mind that is about taking us forward and progress in investing the american people investing in their ambitions, dealing with their challenges and the other donald trump is about taking us backward the other is about fascism why can't we just say it? yes, we can say that yeah. all right. our panel's here, isaac dovere, cnn senior reporter kate bedingfield, cnn political commentator, former biden white house communications director matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. welcome to all of you 20 days it's a way how do the

approaches here? and, you isaac harris had been pushed into saying this is fascist in that clip, there. trump's campaign responded saying, well, this is why donald people tried to assassinate donald trump twice but of course, questions looming about a peaceful transfer sir power me, play that clip in a second. but what did you make of her her answer there in her interview? >> she had to be pushed into saying it. she responded right away. it was not where she started i do think that trump saying that this is different in character from what he said maybe over the weekend when there's an enemy within that might need the military, the national well guard to deal with it. it's not like he's just talking about peaceful roses and happy times every day right? the rhetoric is high and the trump campaign does seize on every time that whether it was joe biden or complex harris

talking about him being a threat to democracy. he is talking in these pretty stark terms too. and i think it reflects where a lot of people supporting each of these candidates feel that this election is that this is an existential moment for the country. >> well, and we do know also we don't have the video of it yet. it's going to air on fox 11:00 a.m. today, i believe it eastern i'm time, but let's put up on the screen what trump has apparently said about these enemy within comments, because when he was pressed about this, i he he actually doubled down and he's asked to hear again these who was the enemy within. and he says that, you know what they are they're a party of soundbites. he's talking about democrats. they are very different and it is the enemy from within and they're very dangerous and he goes on, there dangerous for our country. we have china, we have russia with all these smart if you have a smart president, they can all be handled and the more difficult they are, the pelosi's. these people, they're sick and they're so evil again, talking about

americans it's it's to what isaac said. i mean dark. yes. >> dark and dana, you know, one of the favorite talking points that republicans right now is that somehow democratic rhetoric is what has ramped up the temperature in this country, or what is put donald trump in, harm's way. >> a couple of times, but i mean, that's, you know, he's talking about americans, he's comparing them to russia, to china, you think are the enemy within he's talked about mobilizing the military against them. i mean, that is divisive, dark language. so i think, you know, harris being willing to call it what it is and that interview i think first of all, is just recognizing unfortunately the brutality of the moment that we're in. but remember also so part of her task here in this final push is to motivate people who otherwise feel apathetic about the process who might otherwise stay home. and so, you know, part of her task is to help people understand that this is a moment where staying on the couch and not voting is not an option. so i think that's also what she was trying to do by leaning in there a couple thanks.

>> right. the clips bear reminded me that it's the friendlier interviews that often get you into trouble as a candidate and as a comms person who often worry about them more, right? go back last week commentary, the view you have trump on fox news for both this weekend and obviously yesterday sometimes when you're comfortably is oh, you always worry about it. >> i think stepping back here to this moment reminds me a little bit of early july where if you remember, we're coming off biden post-debate kind of troubles, if you will. and there was a really a knee by democrats have please like donald trump inject yourself into the story, distract a little bit, and i think that's what you're seeing. you talked a little bit about what brian stelter at the last part of the last hour where i think the trump team is being very careful and judicious about what media they're doing. well, i think the harris team realized that the momentum is not on their side and they need to get out there and be on offense all morning. >> so speaking of trump doing interviews, he he got pretty testy in this exchange with

john mcoviney of bloomberg news said he thought about actually not doing the interview but one exchange that really asked if he would commit to a peaceful transfer of power in the event that he loses it's the election or a peaceful transfer of power period from president biden to whoever may get elected next, this was his answer. watch well, you had a peaceful transfer of power. you had a peaceful transfer of power. you had power competitors, venezuela but it was by far the most, the worst transfer of power for a long time. >> it was love and peace. and some people went to the capitol. a lot of strange things happen there. i left. i left the morning that i was supposed to leave i went to florida and you had a very peaceful transfer so let's just

remind everyone what actually happened at the capitol that day. >> if we could put up the crowds that we saw there, the broken windows the fights with the police again isaac, i think that this this day has been on my mind as we head towards this next election, because you have heard donald trump say things that already are raising questions about the results of an election that we have not actually held yet. either. we were in the process of holding and this is you know, if he's going to define this as peaceful, that i think again, underscores the way that he uses language and frankly, rewrite history for his supporters i think the rewriting history is actually the key part of it what he said about himself is that i left them in the morning that i was supposed to is if there is some

prize for a president following the constitution, that his term was up but to call that peaceful forget about that. it is clearly him making no promises to accept this election. and one might think implying that he won't, if he loses, it is what you see from trump constantly of a either sure disconnect from reality or an act of effort to rewrite what happened. and that's true about january 6, it's true about other things in that interview yesterday, he talked about tariffs in a way that we're he is insisting that he knows how tariffs will work better than every economist who has looked at this basically this is not and. i think as people go forward into these next weeks, so the election, think about what he would be as president. it is worth considering that he does not talk about things as they occurred either because he doesn't realize that they

didn't they occurred a different way or because he is trying to twist it always in his favor of how that is and what that means for what a return to the white house would be for him. that's what he's put in front of american people on january 6 on tariffs on every issue. he said last night, at that fox town hall, i'm the father of ivf i mean, i just it is so hard to reconcile that at all with reality. i was thinking this morning of what some quippy line that i could come up with like, but i don't i don't know what it would be like if if he were the father of short red ties. but it makes argument for that look i have to say i mean, we're sitting at this table, right? i mean, kate, you've worked you've dedicated your career to electing democrats, the white house, matt, you've done the same for republicans, were able to sit here and have a conversation about what's going to happen to try to do it in a

civil way where we're operating in the same world. but increasingly mad i'm really interested in your perspective on this, like what happened with fema in the mountains of north carolina this week really for me, crystallized the degree to which people are living in alternate information universes where you have federal royal officials going in trying to help, trying to give people money that they entitled to as americans who are the victims of this kind of a disaster. and they can't do it because there are people out there who think that fema is dangerous and a threat and are going after them militia types it just really kind of underscored to me the degree to which we are not two separate groups of people in america are living in two different worlds. >> oh, there's no better example than this in covid, right? i mean, imagine if you were like, let's say an investment banker living in florida during covid or a waitress and san francisco, you live two very different

existences for the better part from two years. and that would shape how you would probably view that event. i mean it's so much it's broader, it's broader than purely media. it's broader than where you live. it's broadly how you consume information from whether it's media online or just the people you live around and talk to that we live in one country but can have vastly different experiences and agency here though, donald trump is he's not the only reason why this exists, that diversification of media, of people paying attention different things, leaving different experiences in their lives. >> but the reason why this began with the hurricane disinformation about female, everything is because donald trump is talking about it. and we had a congressman from north carolina who last week or republican congressman, i had you put it, a long statement on his website that began the first thing was no one controls the weather events where we are in 20:24. >> and this is why trump's continued erosion of people's faith in institutions is so dangerous. i mean, this is why

he's continuing erosion of faith in the media he is so dangerous because if there is not an independent arbiter of the facts before you get to arguing about how to present them or your feelings about them or your opinion about them. if there's not an independent arbiter of the facts people cannot start from a place of we can't function as a society. i mean, that sounds dramatic, but i think that that's true and i think that the role that trump has played in exacerbating and furthering that erosion of faith in institutions is really scary. and he wields an enormous amount of power. i mean, they're half the country feels incredibly passionately about him and about his leadership and he uses that to make it so that people in a hurricane ravaged area don't trust that they can go get the help that they need. >> that an awful trump might have gone to the front, prayed on this, but this was happening for the last three year. >> i not somebody who has accelerated no no no question.

but he accelerated it. >> absolutely. >> well, it's just it's just a reminder that 20 days to go, we are hurdling toward something, toward an unknown that has it's, it has the potential to be a really significant and potentially difficult chapter in our history. all right, straight ahead here. on cnn this morning, the legal battle over ballots in georgia, what a judge has now ruled about hand counting on election day plus critics call it rambling. we'll talk about what donald trump calls the, we've and the influential groups spending millions to turn out religious voters for trump, we're going to speak exclusively with the chair of the faith and freedom coalition, ralph reed will be here this time. >> there aren't going to need to be any lawsuits were not going to have to go to court and we're not going to have to wait jill to 30 in the morning for donald trump to declare victory he's going to do it at 9:00 at night brain health night, janet, hey

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pretty special and you know, it's gonna be a tough game when boston comes to scholl, many boston fans same as being wins ruins have lance tonight six-thirty on tnt so i think that's very important, that that is affirmed in the judicial system. and we will make sure that we follow the law and follow the constitution. everything we do as georgia voters head to the polls in record numbers for early voting, new voting rules from the state election board. now being put on hold on tuesday, a georgia judge paused new rules passed by the republican majority board, which would have mandated hand counting the number of ballots cast at each polling place. this could have significantly slowed down vote counting process on election night. in his order tossing out the rule, judge robert mcburney writing this quote, this election season is fraught. memories of january 6 have not faded away, regardless of one's view of that days fame or infamy, anything that adds

uncertainty and disorder to the electoral process deserves the public. another rule which would have allowed local election officials to not certify the election was also set aside. georgia's secretary of state opposed the election board's new rules and welcomed the judge's ruling not enough monitors through what's it in a process has put around this. it's just it's a bad idea to ever change rules this close to an election, especially on something that can open up the chain of custody like that, which we think is really against the law all right panel is back again. >> this we are 20 days out and sometimes with you know, polling and horse races, it can be difficult to see the forest for the trees but the emerging forest is one where there are potential challenges across the map to the way that these votes are being counted. to the way that they are being certified. these electors are being sent to the u.s. capitol as that judge noted, isaac memories of january 6 are relevant. here, and i think it's worth noting

that the state elected officials in georgia are republicans. and while this election board has republicans on it it's not as though it's democrats who are trying to do one thing or the other, these are republicans were saying we can't change the rules this late in the game as some of this reminds me of, i remember in august of 2020, a source of mine called me up and said, what do you know about the electoral count act of 18 87 and said, what are you talking about of bad it then and writing an article, give us some had to go refresh on that. yes but the difference of now versus then is that there have been some changes to the electoral count act, but also everybody is aware of what happens on january 6 and that there is the certification thing of course, it's not like there had not been previous challenges two things in 2004 election. >> yes. but what happened on

january 6, as we were just discussing, is different. the question that is now in front of people is what else can be done given the changes and the attention to january 6 and the he weaker points in the chain of certifying the election are the local county boards and at the state capitals. and that's what you see happening here. and there is a clear attempt by trump supporting officials and whether there these people on the georgia board or republican members of congress in pencil so pena, who have pushed for changing the way overseas and military votes will be counted to change the rules in the final weeks here. and in a way that does seem intended to have there be a result on election night that they can point to as donald trump on election night 2020 said, i won even though there were still votes being counted and then have that so some doubts at least about where things are if harris takes the lead later in that

week i think it's also worth noting the trump team has been very public about the fact that they have built a lot of their infrastructure, a lot of their legal infrastructure on their campaign and then there are affiliated groups around challenging election results. i mean, they've been clear that a lot of their resources, rather than putting them toward the more traditional get out the vote rather than dedicated them to efforts to legitimately win the election. they are spending a lot of time both hiring people to contest the results of these elections, of the election and also talking very publicly about how that is a big piece of their legal strategy. so that should give everybody some concerns. >> look, i'll just say also, we spent the last several years saying that georgia was instinct jim crow 2.0 law as it was done by parodied by democrats and the media. yet, and they'll be all starting to pull out over these plus. and what we're seeing is 300,000 people on day 123% more than the biggest record day in 2020 it, i think it's a very sensitive area for republicans because we heard this kind of lie parotid over and over again. it's easier for people

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wow then do who is that president joe biden was dropping out of the presidential race and endorsing his vice president, kamala harris to be the new democratic nominee, met by voters on july 21 with a mix of skepticism confusion. >> and as you saw, there excitement, harris is quick ascension to the top of the ticket gave way to an equally quick campaign. she had just over 100 days to convince voters that she was the right person to lead the country as the new yorker's evan osnos writes in his new piece, quote, harris is sudden arrival at the forefront of american politics. some of the prospect that as john f kennedy put it in 1961, the torch has been passed to a new generation but it also evoked a less often cited part of kennedy's formulation, his description of americansns as tempered by war, disciplined by a hard and bitter peace and joining our panel now is the author of that story is cnn contributor and staff writer for the new yorker, evan osnos. evan, good morning. thank you so much for being here. this is as we were discussing a very long story about the hundred ish days that harris has had to

run here. it's unlike anything any of us that i've covered in modern, in modern presidential up political history. >> take us inside what you have learned about the campaign as you're reporting this out. >> i mean, i think it's worth noting you were joe biden's our job biden's biographer and this was an incredibly remarkable moment for him. but it has moved on now. yeah. >> well, there was this extraordinary thing that happened in american political history, which was 100 days more or less before the election, you had a complete change at the top of the ticket. you remember there was nothing preordained. there was nothing guaranteed that it was going to be common harris is the nominee. in fact, the day that that happened, there were a lot of stories at the time, people who would be to generally friendly to democrats who said we're not sure this is a good idea there was this behind the scenes drama going on and the way to understand it is that kamala harris basically said, if people want to have town halls, they want to have an open convention. sure. i'll join that he says, but i'm, not waiting around for that to happen and affect. she said, good luck with your town halls.

and she was walking down these delegates making phone calls and the reason why that's important is that within 24 hours she had this nil and the thing that what that reveals to us is she is not a casual political player. she has spent her whole life more or less rising rapidly through political offices. she lost the 2019 primary. it's the only time she's ever really lost a race. she then went on and became vp. she is fairly i would say fairly fierce when it comes to making political progress, making political achievements, and she's done it for herself, but it's also at the core of her political mission, which it's i would say it's an ambition to widen the perimeter of political power to people who are at this point outsiders who she thinks should be insiders. and she includes her yourself in that process, but that means a lot of people who are otherwise overlooked by politics and

those are the people who feel seen by her sudden sent to the top american politics. >> how did she manage to pull off blocking all of this down? she clearly was doing a lot of work behind the scenes that we didn't know about at the time, at a very sensitive moment where she was where she was biden's number two, how did she go about doing that? >> yeah. it's really an interesting story that is at the center of it is the dobbs decision decision to overturn roe. it's sort of clarified her vice presidency, you know, going into that up until the spring of 2022, wasn't really clear to her what it is that she could be doing should be doing and what was her distinct value-add? after the overturning of roe v. wade, it was suddenly clear that she could do something joe biden couldn't. he was a conflicted catholic president who couldn't talk about abortion in a way that would feel authentic to people. she went out on the road. she started convening people in all kinds of states and not just abortion rights advocates, but people working on democracy issues in other ways and saying to them the same thing over and over. you all should be coordinating and cooperating. and that

became this substructure of support that on july 21, became the people who pushed her over the line? >> yeah. that's somebody who was there in the white house at that time. i think that is exactly right. she's sort of post-dobbs excuse me. i think really did find her footing and you could see even internally as as you're making decisions in the white house about where the president's going, where the vice president's going, who's speaking to what she really was aggressive in, kind of grabbing the ring and saying, i'm going to i want to help be the standard bearer on this on this argument about about roe. so it absolutely clearly i can say your your reporting bears out what i certainly experienced and i think it did kind of open up for her the idea of this is where she could really make a huge difference. >> the other thing that was going on is that she coming off of the dobbs decision, started to look at the 2028 primaries and thinking that's where this is going to play out. and to elbow people out of the

challenging her in 2028, she did not expect to be running in 2024, and there was a lot that was going on as she built up these networks who would have reporters in never may i should say, off the record? >> she did that when she first came to washington to i did it with her. she was a senator sessions with black men in the focus that she's gotten these last couple weeks is something that she was doing a year ago. >> really, they had lists of people that would be potential delegates to a democratic convention that he was flying on air force two with her. all these things which was meant to do like three years from now, what she did over the course of about 30 hours in july. >> so i've been one of the other things that you right here to and this goes to, i mean president biden had been saying part of why he didn't drop out earlier was that he didn't think she could win, and then he started and turn it ask, well, can kamala harris, when you write this about

democrats who are concerned about what's going to happen, quote, if trump returns to the white house and especially if he does so after losing the popular vote again, the voters who thrilled, thrilled to harris a sudden and we'll be profoundly demoralized already according to the university of chicago poll, 58% of young people say that american democracy isn't working. ben rhodes, former obama aide, told me, quote, i think the democratic party would have an internal reckoning of a kind that we haven't had inn't had i memory, the stakes very high. >> i mean, look, democrats have won the popular vote in presidential elections, seven out of the last eight times and twice on those occasions in 2020, 16 the presidency went to the other side. and i think there is a generation of young people who are looking at this moment and saying, hold on a second. what we're doing what you asked of us. we're going to turn out to vote. and if in fact they managed to win the popular vote and they don't get the electoral college. there's gonna be a real crisis of legitimacy for american democracy that i think is something we have to prepare for it. >> i think that tim walz positional suddenly become mainstream in the democratic

party about abortion electoral college. and what but i think one of the things that you talked about i think was very interesting how when she's making the calls of shapiro and whitmer and mark kelly. it was immediate that they offer their support or at least somewhat immediate. it seems to calculation there where here you go, kamala, have your fec. this is your shot in 24. god bless you you better win. otherwise will be there in 28. it seemed like they were willing to give him shot this time. >> i think there's a recognition. this is a tough year, but her career has been about these accelerated timelines. you know, she got to washington. she was elected in 2016, thinking should be serving with hillary clinton as president instead, all of a sudden she's instantly a contender for president in 2019, all of a sudden, she had this accelerated timeline again this year. and what we saw this time was that she was a lot more prepared this time when she was last and it's really been a story of whether i mean, could you could see this when she came to the senate learning the lay of the land, sometimes making a couple of mistakes pulling back a little bit, figuring it out, and then going forward and taking the next step ahead, evan osnos, love the piece, highly recommended. >> thank you so much for coming in. i really appreciate it.

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called something else. >> you know, it's going to be called christian visibility day when christians turn out in numbers that nobody has ever seen let's call it christian visibility donald trump has long courted the votes of america's over 200 million christians, despite the fact that only 14% of americans adults, american adults say that the word christian describes trump, either extremely or very well he has earned the support of one of the, one influential evangelical organization that's worked particularly hard to buoy trump's ground campaign. >> this s cycle, the faith and freedom coalition, has already knocked on 3 million doors in battleground states on trump's behalf and plans to mobilize religious voters. here was trump speaking to that group in june christians cannot afford to sit on the sidelines of joe biden gets back in. >> christianity will not be safe in a nation with no borders, no laws, no freedom, no future they're not going to

be safe. you're not going to be safe as a person and your religion certainly will be i think in tatters, we answer to god and having you're not even allowed to say that anymore today, have you say that they want to arrest you? >> joining us now exclusively is ralph reed the founder and chairman of the faith and freedom coalition sir. thank you so much for being on the program. i appreciate your being here sure. >> kasie, good to be with you so i'd like to ask you this time around, obviously, when donald trump ran first ran for president in 2016, there was a lot of skepticism from evangelical voters, especially on where he would stand on the issue of abortion because he had said things in the past when he's of course a new yorker he had seemed to be pro-choice in some instances, he put out that list of people that he would appoint to the supreme court. >> it seems to mollify a lot of fears. he obviously put a number of those justice justice on the court has since bragged about overturning roe versus wade this time around, though there has been some

back-and-forth because with the fall of roe and the return of abortion to becoming a really central issue, especially for democrats there have been questions about where trump stands. for example, would he veto it? but national abortion ban, if he becomes president, again, the answer to that seems to be that yes, he would veto that. >> are you comfortable with where he is now and are evangelical voters still willing to trust him considering how this has this specific issue has think it's a great question. >> kasie and i, for me personally, i know the president personally. i've talked about him talk with him about this issue so for years, frankly, and i have no reservations at all. i know that he's pro-life personally. i know that he is the most pro life president in american history. he did funded planned parenthood. he appointed not one, not two, but three supreme

court justices that made it possible for roe v. wade to be overturned after over a half century of social struggle on behalf of the pro-life movement. and many conservative bible believing evening angelical. so i'm very comfortable with where he is. and i would just add one other thing. he's running on a platform that has searched that the unborn child has a right to life that cannot be infringed without due process of law. already under the u.s. constitution, under the 14th amendment's due process clause. so he asserts, and the party is serves that the unborn child has a person who has a right to life and liberty that can't be infringed without due process that language in one form or another has been in the platform since ronald reagan in 1984. and in terms of the national abortion law it's we certainly favor that and we would wish that any president

would sign it. but the reality is you need 60 votes in the senate. and that's not likely to happen in the short term. and behind door number two is kamala harris running on the most radical extreme pro-abortion agenda of any candidate in history, pledging to pass a law that would codify into federal law, not roe v. wade, but what would go beyond roe v. wade? what would provide taxpayer funding of abortion elective abortion under medicaid for the first time since the hyde amendment became law in 1978 and would allow abortion at any stage of pregnancy. and all 50 states it would immediately repeal many of the common sense restrictions on abortion that had been passed in recent decades by the state. so i think for these voters of faith, kasie, the contrast could not be sharper, could not be more dramatic and that's why i think they're coming and they're going to come in record numbers what do you hear

when former president trump says when he talks about abortion, that republicans have to win elections. >> what does that say to you? >> look, i think what he's doing is recognizing the political reality, you know, when it reminds me of that very famous time magazine cover i think from 1993, as i recall, which was then the the the anniversary of roe. and they said feminist one and historic victory with roe v. wade and the sub-headline was they've been losing every sense and my concern is that that not be said about our movement in 30 or 40 years, we want a huge victory would dobbs but that then lead to a counter reaction. >> by the pro-choice and the pro-abortion forces. and we're in a real fight, right now. and he's just simply making the point that look, i gave it back

to the states court gave it back to the states. that's where it had been throughout american history prior to rowe. that's where it belongs family law has historically always been the domain of the states and, let's not, let them mischaracterize our views on this issue. and let's not let them tell lies about our stands and they're doing that right now. and many of these states it's really kasie, the only issue they've got, they can't run on the economy they can't run on inflation, they can't run on crime. they can't run on immigration or the border you know, they got one arrow in their quiver and that's all they're firing. so that's really all he's saying. >> sir, we have a little bit of news from the president. we don't have the video of this quite yet. it was taped in a fox news town hall yesterday. we're going to be able to see it on the air here in a couple hours or so. donald trump called himself, quote the father of ivf and he of course,

as he says, he goes on to say we are really the party for ivf. we want fertilization. it's all the way the democrats tried to attack us on it and were out there on ivf even more than them are you comfortable with donald trump calling himself the father of ivf? and are you completed? lately, morally comfortable with ivf >> and our organization is i mean, obviously there are moral and ethical concerns when you're when you're fertilizing embryos, when you're dealing with a fertility situation in terms of how many or fertilized and how they're dealt with. are they discarded is it done, willy nilly, as there no concern at all for moral, ethical, and religious? discerns? i think we can work through those issues. but but kasie, we're pro-life and this is about couples that are struggling to have a child to bring a life into the world. i don't see how we could say we're pro-life to say that we don't want to help struggling

couples have children. we want more people to bring lives unborn children to fruition and to life. and so i don't have any she with it at all. >> all right. ralph reed for us this morning, sir. grateful to have your perspective on the program. thanks very much for coming by you bet. >> good to be with you. >> all right. still to come here on cnn this morning. just like the candidates themselves, how donald trump and kamala harris approaches to public appearances could not be more different until someone has heard the same thing, at least three times. it just doesn't stay with you. so repetition is important. >> you can't go that just tell you so i said no, i'm just telling you basic. it's called the wave. it's all these different things at them waking moment what we do and

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let me hear that music, please. >> thank >> go ahead. let's go nice and loud event in the battleground, state of pennsylvania, it started as a town hall. >> it turned into an impromptu 30-minute dance party. he is of course known for his unpredictability off the cuff remarks an exchange between trump and bloomberg news yesterday, maybe best describes how he seems to approach interviews great respect you. >> i was asking about tariffs you've gone off by that. >> so what my question was about your allies, not about china question is about google you can't go that, from the doulas. >> so let me just tell you so i said no, i'm just telling you basic. it's called the wave. it's all these different

things happening all these different things happening. >> kamala harris on the other hand, responded to criticism that she's two on message but one thing they've been saying a lot of your precia to get criticized, folks that you come off as a very scripted. they say you like to stick to your talking points and some media says you had that will be called discipline oh, okay. >> but what do you say to people who say you stay on a talking points? i would say you're welcome i would say you're welcome. >> i mean, kate, i will say that communication staffer >> thank you. thank you. madam vice president. >> but i mean, there is this sort of change in our way of consuming all sorts of media. but the way we i mean, somebody shown up on your device, like right here, is a very personal way of being in someone's life. it's the way many young people are used to experiencing politicians. i think this is part of where the criticism of her is coming from that she is

scripted and on these talking points i will say her strategy he has been to put herself into new and different situations in the last week because they seem to recognize she potentially needs to do that. but what what are voters demanding from their politicians in this regard right now? >> yeah, i mean, look, authenticity is always the coin of the realm. >> i mean, that's for politicians you want to feel authentic, you want people, you want on people to feel like they're getting the real you. and there isn't a fine line. you have to walk because you also have to hit a message repeatedly in order for people to hear it especially in a fractured media environment where people are no longer tuning in just to broadcast news at the end of the day to see what happened and reading the paper in the morning. so there is read the papers here. we but i think there is there is often a fine line. i think the problem for trump, i mean yeah, there are elements of his sort of whacky enos that people

connect with. i would concede that absolutely but when somebody is is weaving off message, it also matters what they're saying when they weave and when he weaves and says things like we're going to use the military to attack the enemy within that. he is showing you his authentic self, and that i hope is a problem for voters. well, in some ways it's what's different between trump now and trump in 2016 when the weaving and all over the place, it looks more like the dance party. there were more funny moments, there was less of this sort of darkness going to cheney absolutely in kate's right, authenticity entirely. i think as a communicator, regardless, party, you don't really want either. it because the reason reason i say it is this. let's say this. if you're if you don't want to answer a question, you want to make it as seamless as possible that you're not actually answering the question and you also want to make it the thing that you've said ten times feel as if you're seeing it for the first time the your criticism of your kidney or you is you're too scripted we're that you're we've all over the place.

neither is good. you want to make it effortlessly that you're avoiding the question or effortlessly that you're staying on message. i think that's a fine line to hue i mean, we can talk about the theatrical and optics or whatever. >> i do think those two interviews yesterday that trump did in chicago with the editor-in-chief of bloomberg news, and that harris did with charlemagne tha god, or actually that they happen to be on the same day, three weeks out from the election is convenient because they are both really good portraits of who these candidates are and what they're talking about. both of them were media interviews they the way that trump and harris each responded to ask big to talk about specifics, what they said about some of the specifics, the way the both of them responded to being challenged, and how that there was a combativeness from trump. >> and not not in the same way from herat it, it really, for people who have i haven't watched or listened to either them. >> i think it's a good idea to play them side-by-side. >> i think one of the best thing she did in that interview