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news, vice president kamala harris defiant, just moments ago, taking fox news had on calling trump unstable also breaking polls, just closing in georgia and guess what another day of record turnout among early voters. >> so what is behind all this excitement that is shocking georgia officials? thihis trouncing their expectations. we're live on the ground. >> and he was at the capitol on january 6. >> the filmmaker embedded with the proud boys. now he's warning that it all is about to happen again. let's go outfront >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight, coming in hot vice president kamala harris stepping into unfriendly territory and doing a nearly half an hour interview with fox, use and it was heated from the very first moment, didn't start in slow and sort of friendly know? from the very first moment until the very end

would you estimate your administration has released into the country over the last three-and-a-half years well, i'm glad you raised the issue of immigration because i agree with you. >> it is it is a topic of discussion that people want to rightly have and you know what i'm going to talk about it. >> but just that number. do you think it's 1 million, 3 million? >> but let's just get to the point. >> so your homeland security secretary said that 85% of apprehension not finished. >> we have we have to run with 6 million people have been released he into the country. >> and i'm just finish, i'll get to the question. i promise you. >> i was beginning to answer and when you came yesterday, i finished math, finished responding all right. >> that was right from the beginning, it was tense and it continued at one point, harris visibly angry she was railing against trump and his threat to target what he is called the enemy from within he's the one

who talks about an enemy within an enemy within talking about the american people, suggesting he would turn the american military on the american people. we asked that's the question to the former president today, harris faulkner had a town hall and this is how he responded i heard about that. they were saying i was like threatening. >> i'm not threatening anybody. they're the ones doing the threatening. they do phony investigations. i've been investigated more than 11 capone. he was the greatest no, it's true. we don't think it's called weaponization of government is terrible. >> so i'm sorry. and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that he has repeated when he's speaking about the american people that's not what you just showed where he was asked about that. no that's not what you just showed in all fairness question that we asked him. >> he didn't and show that. and here's the bottom line. he

has repeated it many times and you and i both know that. and you and i both know that he has talked about turning the american military on the american people. he has talked about going after people who are engaged in peaceful protests he has been talked about locking people up because they disagree with him. this is a democracy and in democracy, the president of the united states in the united states of america should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it. and this is what is at stake all all right. the clenched teeth, the passion, harris not backing down from a fight and, you know you talk about an interview like this nearly 30 minutes. there's a reason she chose to do this and there is a lot at stake in it. flexion that the polls show to be neck and neck. so the question is, what did this interview do? and did it when harris any new votes all

right. >> and everyone is here with me now to talk about, but let me ask you about that. congressman rose, was it what do you think in terms of her doing this? i mean, she went in this eyes wide open so let's just say i don't know how much time bret baier was given in the interview, but he didn't start off with a general question he started writing on immigration and she came right back. i mean, there was no sort of pretense at geniality. >> who was don't know we had a fascinating conversation about 30 minutes ago, right? >> because this is fresh it was just an hour ago know my friend just saying, oh, this was horrible. it was horrible. she did horribly this that i thought that was an absolute home run because the oddest breath right here next few that years my god, it was it was it was a fire. it was a massacred know that was a home run because she sent the one message that needs to be sent which was i will go anywhere at anytime and show the courage necessary to speak to every

american because that's what a real president does. the primary critique against her prior to his point was that xi was not doing enough interviews. no one thought that the fox news interview was going to go swimmingly every step of the way everyone knew it would be adversarial, but she showed exactly what she needed to show which was that she isn't leader ready to be president, but he just convinced, you know, and i love max is a great guy. the reality is she's just now doing this i told the former congressman, if i were advising the vice president i would not have advised this unless my internals suggested that i was in trouble. you're looking to appeal to i assume some maybe moderate leaning republicans, maybe some republicans who aren't necessarily tied to the former president i don't think she's persuaded them. aaron, to vote for her in this debate, her answers on immigration, she said, well, donald trump tanked a bill. let's say you believe that brett baer said, well, what about the first two years were in the first two years you had the highest crossings, of illegal crosses into the country and issues about donald trump. but donald trump, she

didn't answer it. he then asked, well, what about your position? don supporting taxpayer dollars with gender transitions for those detained migrants. that is, she's at what donald trump had a similar law when he was president bret said, okay. that's fair amount of vice president, but it didn't occur under the trump administration. what about your position? she didn't answer it. there were a lot of unanswered questions. i'll give her credit. she was stern. she was firm, and her defense her positions. but in terms of persuading, conservatives or republican mind voters, i'm just not convinced she did it on a lula. >> what do you think the point of it was though? i mean, is it perhaps that she wasn't trying to persuade any voters that she's looking for clips of this to go around and energize voters. she already has to show i was about to say, hello, my friends, i disagree with both of you lovely bromance, but what happened here is as follows. she went into hostile territory and in our media environment it's a war shock test. and so everyone's going to take from this what they want on there were very strong moments that

she had a specifically on defending democracy and on the statements that donald trump has made. and that is going to be clipped and that's going to be central round and people who are persuadable will look at that and say, she did well. and there are going to be clips on her responses on immigration and people who are persuadable and think that immigration is a serious issue are going to look look at that and think she did poorly. and that is the environment in which we live. but i do agree that this is a very good thing for her to do because at this point, she needs to go on as many places as she can and she needs to get everyone talking about her because there are no big moments anymore. there are no debates there are no big events. this is it. and so she needs to go fight for every vote, whether a lot of moments in this inner, alright, so congressman, let me play to this point because immigration was discussed for quite a period of time, right. so bret started off with this, trying to pinpoint or on the number of people he went through. the horrific stories of the young

women who have were killed filled by a legal mortgage. she talked about how horrible that is and she was emoting about that and then there was this exchange. let me play it immigration, you supported allowing immigrants in the country illegally to apply for driver's license, to qualify for free tuition at universities to be rolled and free health care. >> do you still support those things listen, that was five years ago and i'm very clear that i will follow the law. >> i have made that statement over and over again. and as vice president of the united states, that's exactly what i've done, not to mention before, you chose a running mate, tim walz, governor of minnesota, who signed those very things into state law. >> so do you support that clear as is tim walz that we must support and enforce federal law. and that is exactly what we will do >> there was a pause there.

>> you know, and it breaded, laid it out, you know, people in the country illegally could qualify for free tuition, free health care, and driver's licenses do you think that that but a pregnant pause mattered or do you think she recovered well from that know that there was no pauses in this that really our of any concern what matters. and we'll get to in a second, what matters is that there's only one candidate in this race that has the courage to go on the primary news network of their opposition party right? we all know collectively at this table, donald trump would under no circumstances sit down for an interview with msnbc, for an extended period of time, and we also know for certain that no republican strategist have the courage to criticize the leader of their own party for doing that. so as we look at this, right, she took the answer head-on, noted for a fact that she wants the border closed and donald trump wants it open

along with the rest of the political party, the republicans, who are his blinds cinco fence on this at are as on everything else. >> i mean, what a way to many here. >> the vice president wants a point of time supported taxpayer dollars. >> your money, my money, your money, all the people who are watching to go out to towards people who broke the law coming into our country to give them driver's license to pay for tuition when we're struggling to pay for our own children to get a college education patient then her own running mate sign into law in his own state. these very things that she's now saying she's now against an american pupil is supposed to believe that the vice president has now all of a sudden had an epiphany and all of us and all of her beliefs of magically change. yet the guy she chose clearly believes these things and you're flipping into republicans. >> oh, i'm merely noting and again, very nice job dodging my point. very nice job dodgy my point donald trump wants to border open vice president and wants to close. one believes the vice president took. >> where do you get that? i don't think he thinks he wants

it open and show my god, if donald trump for a second wanted the border closed during this campaign, he would have gotten behind that bipartisan piece of legislation we all know that collectively the republican party wants this as a political wedge issue. i look, i went down to the border five years ago as a member of congress when donald trump was president and saw that it was in massive crisis at that point that will trump was separating scared mothers from their children at that 0.5 years ago a massive issue, massive disaster under his belt. >> if this current president and a vice president who's running to be president, wanted to secure the border. >> they would have in the first two years when they had the house, when they had the senate, they did nothing. >> all right. let me just lulu, i want to play one other exchange. hear that harris had with bret bair about donald trump. this was an important moment. i'll play it that hold donald trump he's misguided you say now stable, stable, he

is unstable. he's not well, you say mentally not stable. he's not ask you this and you told interview >> i mean, she was absolutely no pause. no. she was very clear what you wanted to say there and she said it again and again and again? >> yeah. and she's saying it on a channel where people don't hear that very often. and i think at this point, it's not so much debatable anymore whether donald trump is in decline. i mean, it is clear that he has aged. it is clear that he is not speaking. it's clearly he likes to talk about it as the we've but it is john best that he can sort of keep focused and keep his ideas in a coherent manner. and so this i think was one of her strongest exchanges for sure. >> all right. well, stay with me. lulu, of course, as well as the two of you because we have more of our breaking news after this vice president harris was also pressed about her recent comments that she wouldn't do anything differently from joe biden so how is she responding now? plus polls just closing in

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baier asked harris about comments that she made in 2019 that were first surfaced, resurfaced by our kfile and then featured in this trump ad which declared quote kamala's supports taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners for prisoners are you still in support of using taxpayer dollars to help prison inmates are detained illegal aliens to transition to another gender i will follow the law and it's a law that donald trump actually followed you're probably familiar with. now it's a public report that under donald trump's administration, these surgeries were available to on a medical necessity basis two people in the federal prison system. and i think frankly that ad from the trump campaign is a little bit of like throwing, stones when you live in a glass house, he spent $20 million on those ads trying to create a sense of fear in the voters because he actually has

no plan in this election. that is about focusing on the needs of the american people alright, everyone's back with me this is this particular, some of these ads have gotten traction. charlamagne, tha god who is a harris supporter, very popular radio show host. he said, when he saw that it gave him pause, but he didn't do in football, he didn't like it. it was playing during it was signed during nfl games shermichael, i'm curious to know, her argument there or was that not to deny she said but she said you can't do that. but was to say, well, the policy was in place and some people have the surgeries funded by taxpayers while trump was president, which in fact there were small group of inmates in new york times has fact check this, who did request those surgeries and obtain them during trump's time in office. so is this a useful point? >> i think so. look, i will say first of all, the vice president looked very gleeful when she, donald trump also followed the same law and i was like, okay, i see what you're doing, madison, wisconsin, and she was ready for you, the vice president, some credit there.

she was smooth and how she responded to that question. however, from the trump campaign's perspective, they're targeting men with that ad. you saw charlemagne's response. you look on social media. >> a lot of guys don't particularly support that issue. >> i want to be careful with how i describe it, but that's just the reality that's why the ad is playing during football games because they recognize that donald trump has a 14, 15 point gap with men voters overall you're going to target men voters on an issue that you know for a fact are turn off quite a few men voters, i think it's smart politics. >> do you think that that answer works? but she said, is this sort of throwing throwing stones at glass houses? >> yeah. i think that's a useful pivot, right? that this was something that both administrations followed, that it's been established published law, and she was for it and vote once said so. and i think we all know that if he actually knew it existed, point out the key point here is that the vice president went on a network that for all intensive purposes for the for this interview was a subsidiary of

the donald trump campaign for president and she sat there and took every attack humanly imagined and each step of the way to include most point pointedly in that question did her best to transition the focus to what actually really matters to voters today, matters about kitchen tables issues, matters about inflation maths, but economic growth matters about maintaining american leadership abroad and keeping public safety here at home. and i do think that sense, it was a very effective answer. she was sorry. and i want to correct myself because the gender transition surgery was offered while trump was president, but the actual few surgeries it happened did not actually happen that were funded by taxpayers until after he left office just to be clear, i misspoke a moment ago. >> it's also, not an issue that donald trump ever raised as i would be safe to assume, probably wasn't aware of it, but i don't know i mean, he's pretty safe assumption with most matter. >> yes. although kamala harris was where that's all i'm saying. >> she was aware because he was asked about it and she answered it lulu, the question is though, you know, we can we can talk about this, but trump has

been as harris pointed out, he spent tens of millions of dollars on ads on this specific issue. he thinks it works. he has put it on during nfl games. is it effective, lulu, as you can sort of look at what gains traction and what doesn't it's a little bit effective, but this is a pretty niche issue and they're trying to blow it up in response to the abortion issue. let's be honest, because the abortion issue does affect 50% of the country who are women also affects men, obviously as well. and this is something that really affects a tiny, tiny group of people. yes, some men are uncomfortable with it, yet some women are uncomfortable with it. but at the end of the day, is this really the issue that's going to decide the election? i would say no. >> so shermichael, i want to play also the exchange that harris and bret baier had over harris. his recent comments, i think it was originally on the view when she said she wouldn't do anything different than joe biden, even as right. she's saying, i am the change

candidate. that seems to be an inconsistency but here's how she answered that. here. and it was very interesting. let me play so you're not joe biden, you're not donald trump, but, but nothing comes to mind that you would do differently. >> let me be very clear. my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. and like every new president that comes in to office, i will bring my life experiences, my professional experiences, and fresh and new ideas. i represent a new generation of leadership so she says my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency, even though she has said she would not do anything differently than he has done in the past four years. >> can those two things both vitro know? >> i think it's inconsistent either you're going to chart a new course, a new direction for the country, or you're going to be a continuation of a very unpopular president even many democrats that didn't like the direction of the country. you look at most data points, i

think joe biden has some of the laws approvals at this point and of a modern president, i don't think she has to do well know, i will say this overall, erin, i think the vice president, to your point, it was great that she went we have been critical that she's not going before adversary when she went almost a half an hour almost happened. i want to give credit there and i think to lose point, she was strong on the democracy issue. that is one issue she leads. and when compared to the former president, but on all these other issues from the economy regression to joe biden's policies. she just was not very strong on this issue though, when she says she wouldn't do anything differently, but her presidency won't be a continuation. is that walking the line? that democrats need? >> walked chirp that this loyal to the person with whom you served, right? and i want to take this opportunity to complement lulu because she's exactly right this is a election about a choice as all elections are, it is not a choice between biden or trump. it is a choice between harris and trump, not harris or biden. so there is absolutely no point

here and talking about anything. but the fact that donald trump, because of donald trump a woman's right to choose is not universal in the united states of america because of donald trump, the united states millions of people feel like they're on the precipice of the end of our democracy. that is the choice of this election. and there's absolutely imperative that she focuses on that and that's what she did final word lulu but award is actually i think this was a really good interview. i think it is important that people see kamala harris have to respond to the things that she said and her record, and she did so and we can all debate whether it was a victory or not. but at the end of the day, it's done, she did it and i think it was a good thing. yeah. i mean, look, they both they both went out with a job to do. i'm going to say they both did it all right. thanks very much to all three of you. and next, the breaking news, another record day of early voting in georgia so who is benefiting from this turnout, which is exceeding all? expectation's senior election official says to me

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billy, we shipping nationwide this is cnn. the world's news network. >> breaking news, the polls are just closing across the state of georgia, across the second day of early voting there. and the tourney turnout there is stunning. state officials. about 270,000 people cast ballots in in-person today. as of 630 tonight, according to georgia secretary of state and voters went to the polls yesterday in astounding numbers, more than doubling the record of ballots cast on the

first day of early voting. i mean, it's pretty stunning when you think about it in one georgia election official telling me it blew away our expectations victor blackwell is outfront in suburban atlanta tonight, and victor blew it, blowing away the expectations of turnout from the people who run the elections, right? and they had an expectation. this is just blowing past it. the enthusiasm among early voters is palpable. what did you hear from them today? into one of two categories. some are passionate. first, they're passionate about an issue whether passionate about a candidate, then the rest of the folks who just want to get it done before the crowds come. but when you have record turnout on day one and now day to many of those voters are finding think there are more people at the polls than they expected voting early just in case there any hiccups, the battleground state of georgia is experiencing record breaking numbers of early voters since

polling locations opened here on tuesday, we're looking at 100 and 125% more voters on the very first day, which shows a lot of excitement out there and the ease of use of our system according to gabe sterling coo of georgia secretary of state's office, more than 300,000 ballots were cast monday, the previous record was 136,000 in 2020. >> and day to showed no signs of slowing down. >> we look like we're on path to potentially it's like if 250,000 on top of the 308,000 we had yesterday, take that plus our apps and tivo, so we've collected will probably break 600,000 votes. we're not expecting that many more than five 5 million this time. so it's gonna be 12, 13% of the voters will already be done. >> these voters tell us why voting early was so important to them last time i waited langone around a black man, cohen, i'm getting my vote in today. why did it go? come out oh, the made sure that my vote counts is going to be packed as you should be crowded. some hope that getting out early would mean shorter lines. >> we thought we wouldn't get ahead of the game a little bit,

but looks like everybody got the same thing in mind this first time i've ever done it and would like so this line, maybe the last in this very tight race in a state that president biden won by fewer than 12,000 votes in 2020. voters we spoke with in gwinnett and fulton county's were split down the line. donald trump, i'm definitely team harris, the issues most important to these voters varied the top of the tier for me is democracy. >> all this other stuff we can straighten it out. >> border control the war on woke the right for women to choose build that wall, illegal immigrants. i can't vote for someone who just caused the call, people, names it says this respectful things to anybody about anything that comes to mind. is this blurted out. >> the massive early voter turnout tells us that there is a lot of excitement, but not the question most people want an answer too. >> we cannot tell who it benefits we have no way of knowing

polling place in may, bolton and atlanta area until the last minute, the poll worker had to come out and shout, polls are closed for the day. they'll reopen at 7:00 a.m. and some breaking news just in the last few moments at georgia judge has now thrown out more than a half dozen because in those controversial rules from the gop led state election board critics say that two of them were most problematic. one that would have given county officials an opportunity to create a reasonable inquiry. they say that that might have delayed certification. another one would have given those officials the opportunity to look at election-related documents. the judge said that those rules were illegal, unconstitutional, and void. erin. >> all right. well, thank you very much. i know everyone's been those rules are so crucial and if the nation is waiting on the results from the state of georgia crucial to georgia's counting of votes victor, thank you so much just amazing to think about it, 12 to 13% of the early vote and the vote in georgia, how many people voted

last time could be in by the end of this week, think about what that could mean if it continues to exceed expectations about how many people have voted before election day even comes around outfront now is the tausche brown co-founder of black voters matter, a national organization focused on getting black voters to the polls. so let's actually i know your organization is based in atlanta black voters in georgia account for 30% of all voters and obviously we saw a mixed group of voters today that victor was speaking to and you just heard gabe gabe sterling from the secretary of state's office say it's impossible to tell who this early turnout is favoring traditionally, people would say it favors democrats, but this is a new world. the rules have changed. you don't mail in, you come in early. >> do you think this enthusiasm in georgia is favoring one candidate over another? now, let me say, i think having a high turnout georgia and to break records of people coming out, actually strengthens democracy that ultimately the work that we have done and other groups, is to make sure that people feel free and fair

elections that they're able to get out and to vote and to cast their ballot. who wins and who benefits. what we know right now is that think that all georgia's benefit when we see this? the turnout that you have, a healthy democracy, you need to have a electorate that is participating and engaging. and so that's what i'm really happy about. i think it's too early to say what candidate necessarily will benefit from this. but i think there are some signs that this is certainly going to georgia, certainly in play again and again it certainly seems that way now some of those victor gone through just sort of a quick little bite from each many of the voters he spoke to. and it is incredible in this cycle, we're in those bytes pretty much tell you everything a very clear sometimes in prior elections and might be veiled. i mean, not that they intended to be able to might be veiled, but it isn't now, it's generally you can tell right now, i'm just curious from your point of view, the current polls that we have show that harris trails biden's 2020 support among black men by roughly 15 points so do you have a sense of how harris is doing right now, among black men who are voting early, there

were a couple of them there and victors piece one of them was talking about build that wall but what do you see among that group you know, as we've been going out talking to people and we've been doing this work, nonstop as we've been talking to people, i think i think there's a consideration. >> i think there are a number of things. i think one, there's this assumption that when people are frustrated, that that means that there's one exodus from one party to another party. the truth of the matter is that the frustrations of black man, that's not new. the frustration of black voters, that's not new, that's been something that we've actually seen in election after election, part of what i think is happening now because i think gender is on the ballot in many ways. i think what we're seeing is we're seeing people that are paying attention to it. and i think a lot of their frustrations are valid. a really having the kind kind of policies that they need that they want to actually see for themselves in their communities that we're seeing some of the same issues are from criminal justice reform to economic opportunity. all of those things are concerning them. and so i think that's part of why we're seeing. i also think another driver though, is

around misinformation and disinformation early on, we heard this before. this isn't the first time that i remember in georgia when we're looking at the senate race between senator warnock, and the herschel walker. we heard that there was going to be this huge exodus of black man and they were going to vote for herschel walker. it simply did not happen. so i think that there's one thing to see the frustrations, but i also think that black voters understand that there is a fear. there's a threat around makeup to democracy in this country. and as a matter of making sure that we're getting the right information to people. >> all right, let's actually i appreciate your time and thank you. >> thank you for having me. all right. a next trump doubling down on threat to target critics it is the enemy from within and they're very dangerous. so what do the proud boys think when they hear that emmy award-winning filmmaker who's had incredible access to the proud boys putting leading up to january 6, next is next. >> plus should democrats be panicking over jill stein and other third-party candidates in states that are all within the

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ways that you can enact change capitol as >> yeah, i think that's the way that you make the biggest noise weekend stand in the steps of the capitol and be like, you know what, we demand that you guys change in these next couple of years, we're going to see a lot more ominous words there at the end and outfront. now the emmy award-winning filmmaker nick quested, the director of the new documentary, 64 days. he was with the proud boys at the capitol on january 6, also a witness in the hearing held by the january 6 select committee nic, you're there with the proud boys on january 6 because you had spent time with him ever since trump, you'd been following the movement, but when trump said stand back, stand by, you spent a lot of time with them i just want to start with where we are now

with your perspective, how worried are you that the united states could be heading this way again i'm very worried. i see from my sources, i see potentially a more organized effort to deny the election. i see poll workers being trained in creating pre-taxes for protests. i think you're going to see protests at in right. to carry states, particularly in michigan, maybe pennsylvania is not necessarily as quiet as right to carriers. michigan. i think you're going to see a flurry of spurious lawsuits and i think you're going to see problems at state legislators presenting or not even presenting slates of electors. i think you're going to see problems at boards of supervisors across swing states. i think we're in for a very bumpy ride coming up, which is all very terrifying. i mean, trump kamala harris they talked about trump's wellness. she said if he's president vendor, he'll go after election officials who didn't help him, journalists, others. and this is, this is if he wins so where

i guess presumably getting through some of this very disturbing time period that you're referring to. but she's talking specifically about things he said in recent days like this i think the bigger problem is the enemy from within. >> it should be very easily handled by if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military because they can't let that happen. it is the enemy from within and they're very dangerous there marxists and communists and fascists. and the sec okay, so when he says those things, the question is, what do people here? >> and that's why i mentioned that you had been studying the u.s protest movement, but then trump famously said, stand back and standby in a debate to the proud boys right? then you went and spent time with them. so you heard those words and then you saw what they meant to people and what those words cost. so when you hear these words that he saying recently, what do the proud boys here, what do groups like that here

right now? >> well, i think we'll the proud boy leadership is currently incarcerated, but i think that they hear pope in other clips is also said that he would free the hostages. the january 6, january 6 hostages. but i think this is another intent to rile up his base. no and to provoke them to be as loud and boisterous as he can possibly make the so, you talk about the leadership of the proud boys being behind bars. enrique tarrio in 2020 leading into the insurrection. so right before that, you had many opportunities to speak with them. we spoke with them. here's one thing he told you there's no bigger middle finger to establishment politicians in donald trump. i feel like we need better representation in congress or in any other seat. i'm looking at a congressional run. i mean, what what bigger stick of dynamite that you can throw right into that capitol

building than myself they're going to call it an insurrection because i am going to go in there and i am going to get up i don't want violence. but if they continue to silence voices to de-platform in dehumanized that's how you radicalize people prison for 22 years in leadership of the proud boys are, i mean, obviously there's others in that organization, but you talk about your fear right now of what's happening and what your sources are telling you where. so this is a whole, another slew of groups that people are now attaching themselves to. yeah, i mean, the proud boys have reorganized quite ironically, in the same way that sort of antifa, organize themselves there. they are now basically a cell-based organization, chapter based. and they take indirect instruction from political leaders and their own leaders are somewhat distinct from them on the ground. but you're going to see, you saw the proud boys emerge. at springfield

recently, and i expect to see them outside of tabulation centers and outside of voting centers. >> springfield, ohio before you go tonight, trump called january 6, the day of love as i led this segment with that yesterday, called a day of love and peace, you were there well, i think it was the opposite of peace and love that were many peaceful protesters who didn't enter the capitol. >> but there was a there was an extreme level of violence on that day. there were people that felt like they were having an epiphany like there was the queue and anon supporters who really felt that this was their moment to the day of come the judgment, the storm was here and i don't know how you can really read frame the day, the days of january 6, the day of january 6 a peaceful protest. >> well, first it was on live television. every single

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claims about migrants in springfield, ohio, saying this, that univision town hall with undecided latino voters after he was asked, quote, do you really believe that these people are eating pets? so enjoy this was just reported. >> i was i was just saying what was reported. that's been reported and eating other things too, that are supposed to be. but this is all i do is report i have not i was there. i'm going to be there and we're going to take a look and i'll give you a full report when i do. but that's been in the newspapers and reported pretty broadly front. of course, reached out to the republican mayor of springfield, ohio, rob rue. he told us, quote, the unfounded rumors about springfield and the haitian immigrants here are detrimental to our town and we hope they will come to an end. a kindly urged president trump to consider the impact of his words on springfield, ohio now, trump, dealing with this as kamala harris is now on her way to wisconsin one of the key states in the democrats see as a blue wall crucial to win but

tonight some democrats are worried that the blue wall may not stand. jeff zeleny is outfront so much is at stake in this election. democrats are grabbing a bullhorn and fever actually working to fortify their blue wall? >> yes, election is going to come down to a handful of states so that's why we're doing the blue wall bus tour. michigan, pennsylvania, and of course the great state of wisconsin are going to decide the outcome of the election. >> you battlegrounds, hold us it's much critical symbolism as this trio of states, where democrats are still haunted by donald trump's 2016 victory is the anxiety among democrats, justice but you know what? >> i would always want my side to be anxious, right? it means we're taking it seriously. it means we understand how high the stakes are. >> michigan governor gretchen whitmer is making the case for kamala harris and tim walz hitting the road with wisconsin governor tony evers. >> we're going to need every single free we couldn't get in

hopes of helping harris win over voters skeptical of trump, who are not yet sold on her. >> we've got a lot of folks who aren't quite sure what they're going to i do and that's why making a seat at the table for romney republicans or bush republicans. you don't need to believe 100% and that's why we're showing up and red areas. so in blue areas, like there's a whole bunch of people that don't start thinking about this the last minute. >> the november election will test whether the states will march in lockstep as they have have all but twice over a half-century except 1988 when michael dukakis won wisconsin and george h w bush carried michigan and pennsylvania in 1976 when jimmy carter won wisconsin and pennsylvania and gerald ford carried his home state of michigan. >> one or two people in every precinct in wisconsin or michigan, or pennsylvania will be the difference, not just for the next four years. but for the next 40 years.

>> democrats are seeking to convey urgency without panic just the thought of his reelection scare. >> you actually scares be quite a bit. i've actually applied for dual citizenship in ireland. if it happens i'm thinking about moving. >> if he gets trump accepted the gop nomination and wisconsin and has returned again and again. in kind of feels like 2016, you want in 2016 we wanted to thousand and 16. >> brian schimming leads the wisconsin republican party and believes a trump comeback after falling short in 2020 good start here. >> they are in trouble in that blue wall. that blue wall is not belt right now for them, it's great to me michigan democrats are stepping up their efforts in the final weeks when wisconsin warning against third-party candidates like jill stein stein was key to trump's 2016 wins in battleground states and imploring supporters to churn anxiety into action here in the blue wall, harris is most favorable path to the

presidency. >> stop ringing your hands and roll up your precinct, which is what the election was eight years ago. >> that can be made up through hard work set to arrive in milwaukee any moment to continue her weeklong spent here in these blue wall states, of course, michigan, pennsylvania, and she'll be doing three stops tomorrow across wisconsin for all the anxiety among democrats, several things fit into that category. >> third party candidates certainly one of them, jill stein, is on the ballot here, but so does rfk junior's. so some democrats wonder if he will still siphon off votes from the former president, even though he's out of the race. erin, the bottom line across the blue wall, these states are incredibly margin of error races. that's why both candidates

to you, jeff, and thanks so mu t