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evening, they would have just sent joe biden looking he and his supporters take it. >> oh, you guys are at the wrong rally. know, i think you meant to go to that's smaller one down the street the war of words on the trail and the new reporting. out who trump might blame if he loses. plus breaks his silence, and issues a stunning apology about donald trump the executive blood hi, with me tonight. plus elon musk. >> trump doesn't win. >> this is the last election mark cuban, would you modify like pick on donald trump a little bit? >> and the battle of the 2024 campaign, billionaires go and the presidential race tonight took about a two-hour break from its while serious and often dark tone to make

some room for some levity. the jokes flew in both directions at the al smith dinner, a catholic charity event in new york city attended become law harris broke with 40 years of tradition and decided not to go in person, which of course gave trump some material to work with all polls are indicating, i'm leaving big with a catholic vote i should be as i should but i don't think kamala has given up yet. she hasn't instead of attending tonight she's in michigan receiving communion from gretchen whitmer and you know he's, talking about just google it now, harris did appear, but it was via video in a sketch with fictional snl character mary catherine gallagher is there anything that you think that maybe i shouldn't bring up tonight? >> we'll don't lie steady the whole armpit thing, but what

whatever i watched it too many times, harris was actually a no show in new york because she was well busy campaigning. >> she made three stops and battleground, wisconsin today, mawasi lacrosse, and also green bay, which took a more serious shot at trump and once again, roll the tape at her rally i want to talk about ivf you don't hear that i'm the father of ivf unbelievable sometimes of ivf you listen to donald? trump talk it becomes increasingly clear. i think he has no idea what he's talking about. >> well joining me now, senior

political correspondent for puck, tara palmeri, senior adviser that trump/vance presidential campaign, bryan lanza and democratic strategist, a man with pat chuck rocha, good to have you all here. shock. >> i got to begin with you. i mean, the al smith dinner. it's a pretty big event, yet 40 years or tradition jim should harris have gone in-person? >> i don't think so because she's only had this little bit of time to run for president if she'd been running for president for a year and years. sure. because she had had plenty of time to go meet with lots of people, but with a finite amount of time, we've talked about on this campaign as an old gray, bearded political professionals. only one thing in campaigns you can never get back and that is tom, why go to new york city unless you're going to be on cnn or something, go to a battleground state and camp out, maybe do three stops, made me do as much local press as you can. that really is what makes a difference in a campaign? >> is that why do think she didn't go though? >> i think it is. i mean, i think it is because again, she's worried like we're all worried is that she's only had so much time to make her dance with people so she can give up a day.

>> well, bryan, i mean, trump got off a couple of good one liners. you tend to do so, of course. and he talked about being subpoena free, about mayor eric adams is legal troubles as well. but he also went back some of this familiar the attacks on her intelligence some of the familiar grievances did that help them i don't think it matters. >> i mean, we're 19. yeah, absolutely were 19 days out from the election. we see where polling shows only kicked polling shows that voters cared about the economy and immigration. so these sort of other issues that people like to bring up and sort of the distraction you campaign that we call it. sure. it'll have a conversation, but where we've seen over time because they don't have an impact. so you know, donald trump sort of read restating all those previous grievances that he talked about. they haven't had an impact before. they're not going to have an impact now, but donald trump's stating what his policies are going to do to help the american people, to help people deal with the inflation who've been wiped out. that's going to have an impact is counterintuitive to me. >> i would think the closer the election, the more important it is for you too. hone-in on those aspects. people care all the more. but if you say that's the case, tara, you've got some new reporting because

i can tell you trump's strategy as of late in particular, has been a bit head-scratching. i mean, he taped a fox news town hall in a very friendly audience. it was also a university own townhall where he talked about january 6 as being a day of love which caused the moment when the voters are cocked his head to the side, like really on that point, he also then canceled a sit down with christine romans on nbc, and then he got rid of the rally with the nra. and you've written in there have reporting that trump is uncharacteristically buoyant, almost cavalier, can since that the victory is his, it's gone on yeah. >> i mean, i've been told from my sources inside of trump's camp that he is extremely confident he thinks that it's his two when they showed him a polling memo, his pollsters, tony fabrizio, and don gallagher, john mclaughlin, that showed him up just a point, a hair really within the margin of error in

battleground states but he sees that as a decisive win. >> he thinks that he's going to win this. and the only reason he wouldn't want it is if his election integrity unit at the rnc somehow fails him, so he's been putting a lot of pressure privately on michael ward hotly, who is the cochairman of the rnc and has been shepherding this entire operation. and let's be serious, the rnc, when aren't when rona mcdaniel was pushed out, was basically stripped down to its bones to it's it's end. it's basically just an electron integrity unit and they they basically outsource all of their ground operations. so whatever is left of the rnc is based luckily, dispute the election results or law fair as they call it in this election. so, yeah, trump's like, i'm going to win. the polls show that i'm going to win, even though they really don't. they show them tied. and if i don't win, it's your fall. and so people are feeling nervous, hot sweats, all of it. i've been told election integrity unit, and the way you describe it sounds like a total misnomer then in so many respects, is when you look at that and you

hear that chuck about the confidence the fact that it's a jump ball and the polling, you're smirking. >> tell me why. >> because i spent the weekend in arizona and then a flute to michigan, a flew back from michigan last night, not hurray for chuck and his airline points, but hur wray for being on the ground and seeing what i thought was happening. and, you make a good point about the outsourcing of the ground game as somebody who's done a lot of canvassing door-to-door work and what they're saying to all the viewers at home has normally that's a job that the campaign does because nobody can make the case for a campaign better than the campaign. but that's been outsourced to elon musk's super pac, and they have door hangers and i picked up in in michigan. that's talking about kamala harris, which could work, but it's just different when it's coming from a super pac, not to anybody's reading the byline, but that is you just can't do certain things as a super pac that you can do as a candidate on the door to door i think that's a big difference in what we've seen the other big difference is we're in an age of the coronavirus last time, and now we get to see the full potential of what both sides

could do, whether it's a super pac or the campaign with this field apparatus because we're just 18 days left, is just about turning out the vote that you know, you have in the bag. >> well, you know, part of what has been looked at and new york times has been told by harris officials that one thing that is helping her campaign is to go on the offense against trump. in fact, listen to how she is stepping up her attacks. brian will see that he is too weak and unstable? >> he's just not ready and unfit and unstable is increasingly unstable and unhinged. you say now him stable, he is unstable i mean, you had heard a lot of, insulting comments from trump towards harris. and now she is using this theme of instability and unstable, and it seems to be they believe getting her some traction in a way that trump feels confident is giving him some traction to insult

her. >> do you see this as? helping trump or hurting him to have her say this? >> i don't think it matters. like i go back to your polling. the voters say they care about the economy, the motor say they care about inflation. you've got some voters, democratic voters that say they care about abortion when you look at those issues that matter, those are the things are just sort of driving when you're going door-to-door, you're talking to people they're bringing up those issues there bring it up. donald trump and salts this person or call my harris is saying these things kamala harris, we will look at this way every time she decides to focus on the insult, try to insult donald trump. that's fine. because she's not making her case of why she should when donald trump gets criticism for insulting people and say he's getting people off message. he's not doing the right thing. i always go back and say he's the most insulted and an american political history, he's allowed to punch back once in a while, but we always look at it from our standpoint. we're missing an opportunity by not talking about policy, by driving that contrast. so inherits does she does the same thing? she's missing that opportunity. she's trying to bait the president. there's 19 days. we don't know what she's going to bait them for, but we clearly know she started her

campaign and salting president trump where she had some momentum she's continued to insult him along the way and now she's lost steam and she's lost momentum. so i'm going to say, i think it works with independent voters, but she clearly trying to activate the base. >> you don't think that people are looking at trump's rhetoric and failure to give detail on his policies as problematic for understanding how he's persuading them. when you heard in the university own town hall just yesterday voters wanted clear answers. they wanted answers to january 6 and action they wanted answers to the idea of his cabinet members not according them. they also want information on economics and the economy more broadly. and the same argument that bryan's making about the deflection and distraction away from the policy, can't that still be made against donald trump as well absolutely. >> and i think what you're seeing from kamala harris is that she realizes in these final weeks in her closing argument, she needs to draw a contrast with trump the best way to draw contrast with trump is to talk about his instability. the fact that he makes people uncomfortable, that moderate voters, some of

these perhaps swing voting women in the suburbs that they don't personally like his rhetoric. they don't like the way that he comes off. they doesn't seem presidential, excuse me. >> they have compartmentalize in the past and suggest i don't like the way you do things, but i want you in office. so how do you combat that if you're harris? know i know i know exactly what you mean. >> these are really hard voters to get, but i think that increasingly trump is giving more and more evidence than ever before. >> i mean, you just saw him at an event literally dancing for 30 minutes like he's not exactly making perfect sense anymore. she has more or she's got more material than ever before. she can say roll the tape. she's doing things that democrats never did. but i just think you're seeing kamala harris move on from the joy and that this is who i am, and this is the contrast with biden to okay, this is the real contrast with true. >> i do wonder if voters look at the contrast and say, well, they canceled up. they might be complaining well, there's rhetoric and there's rhetoric isn't the same person, but speaking of voting the tape according to excerpts of the new biography, i've senator

mitch mcconnell, the republican leader, described trump after the 2020 election. you may remember this as quote, stupid as well as being ill tempered, a despicable human being, and a narcissist. some pretty choice words from mcconnell towards them. any impact no. you haven't thought a single thing. i've asked today that we're now 19 days out, right? that's my point. >> but it's not going to be the insults that move the thread. it's going to be somebody making that economic message, somebody making that immigration message to them undecided voters, not necessarily the partisan voters that i am or the partisan voters that chuck is those incentive votes that don't care about the insults, they don't care about any of those things. they want to know. my pocketbook felt full during trump's four years. it's now a lot lighter now, what's harris is going to do to meet that expectation? and she's never made that case. that's why she's relying on insults because she had the opportunity to make the case on immigration in the economy, and she failed to make it. >> i also just don't think that mitch mcconnell is particularly popular with the national electorate. i mean, and also how many people around

donald trump had said terrible things about him and then ended up in his good graces. >> he makes that point, tara and in fact, in fact, he talks about it and says, you know, whatever i may add, this is mitch mcconnell whatever i may have said about see it debris perfectly whenever i may have said about president trump pales in comparison to what jd vance, lindsey graham, and others have said about said about role we are all on the same team now. and you think about this check. yeah. mitch mcconnell may not be as influential, maybe to the electric, but behind the scenes i mean, the machinations of bureaucracy, it makes a big difference in law or you made a great point while ago when people are talking about these imaginary moderate voters, undecided voters still a little bit out there. i'm working from coast-to-coast, from california to new york and you know who those voters are it who you just described of that moderate who don't black donald trump who ends up voting for donald trump because of what brian says. but they're not hearing the thing about the inflation or the other thing. they're

hearing the insults during whatever. you see kamala harris trying to be like like me just like me as a person, like me as an adult, somebody who has a plan or whatever, and i think when she goes after him, she's just goading him to go back to goading her. so he's not talking how could about the economy. are talking about gas prices, all the process of meal. she's doing that on purpose because it's a strategy. i'm a strategist. we tell our canvas to do that all the time and a local congressional races get them talking about what we want them talking about, not the message that they're all well all of you, we have 19 days ago, brian, you're going to care eventually every is going to it's going to matter all the way on mean, i care about inflation, your right. >> all right. well, there you go. i'll leave it there. thank you so much case of death row inmate robert roberson, the texas supreme court has just halted his execution. they issued a partial stay. texas state representative lacey hall told cnn, he's not being executed today robertson claims that he was wrongfully convicted of

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star. >> you're fired, you're fired. you fired the money, money, money man second my hair. i used to watch it all the time and it's so hard to imagine for that reason today. but donald trump, he wasn't always so polarizing in fact, he once had a pretty broad appeal. i mean, it turned the calendar back about what, 20 years? and trump was a pop culture phenomenon largely fueled by his hit nbc reality series. the apprentice now, a former top nbc marketing executive is pulling back the curtain and expressing his regrets for propping up the donald and an op-ed for us news and world report, john d. miller writes, i want to apologize to america i helped

create a monster miller admitted nbc's fluffed up image of an ultra successful businessman was quote, highly exaggerated. and category as it as fake news. he also offered up some behind the scenes details like trump's alleged pitch to have a black versus white season season of the apprentice. miller says his first reaction w t, f joining me now, the man who wrote that op-ed former nbc chief marketing officer, john miller, john good to see you. the op-ed really thought provoking. i mean, can you tell us about the donald trump you knew back in those apprentice days and how you spun his image. >> well, the conceit of the show was that he would be a successful businessman and that people were trying to do that. the idea was you didn't win a date, you want a career and we

the show i didn't produce the show, but i did produce the promos for the show or lead the team that did the promos for the show, the whole idea was that you would get a chance to be with a top business executive and then you would win a prize and then for a full year with him and the thing is, is that not many ceo is actually had the time or the desire to have somebody that was a reality show star come on and be in their inner circle down from had no problem with that. he had the time he liked the adoration and so where does it make it successful? we had to make sure that the idea of you're going in for a big businessman and in truth, he had been hit bankrupt four of his businesses and was not all that successful. but in order to make the show a success, we had to make him as successful as we possibly could. and that was the conceit of the show. and you know, when he was just a businessman and it was just a tv show that was one thing we were doing it for television quite honestly, when you're

promoting television, you exaggerate an awful lot of things. as i said in the article, were making mountains out of molehills all the time. we did that. sometimes they are good show, sometimes they were bad shows. but when we mark them, they were always the best show you we've ever seen until of course, you had seen it. and in this particular case, as we are now only less than 20 days to the election i simply felt it was very important pursuant actually to your last guest who talked an awful lot about the economy where people were thinking that donald trump was an expert in the economy where we are actively made him seem like a great businessman when he was really small businessman that had a bunch of different llcs. and if they went bankrupt, he could protect them by making them sort of weeding them out. and to a large degree, it was a creation for a tv show. and we were very good at it and several people say, well, i didn't see that tv show. and i said, well, i bet you saw the promos. the promos were like little messages that i called, little fake news messages that covered america

like a snowstorm and what you didn't see those promos as well, you would have certainly heard trump talk about it because you actually write about in the piece how trump used to constantly lie about the show's ratings. >> thank you. take a little bit and i even if a small leap to think about those tactics. yes, i can develop his now political playbook, right? >> well, yes. i mean, one of the things that i noticed in dealing with him very early in the show here and he would call me he first thing that i was in the west coast at that point, he was on the east coast and so i was pretty sure that he had seen the readings before. either ratings in front of me, i was probably not as first call, probably his fifth or sixth, but he called him and say, hey john, how we do and i would say very well because we did do very well. we're just not nobody said number one, show on television, and i would say we did very well and he would say number one show on television. he would continue to repeat that and repeat that well into the second or third season and quite honestly, then he would do that for a press tour and say number one showed

television and for the people who are covering television. then with the ratings as well as anyone. and so when he was saying number one show and tell hello, they would just sort of laugh, but he would be undeterred in that regard and would continue saying it feeling that eventually someone would believe it. and i guess in america, many people did. >> well, many people who are in the electorate often looked at that success or the purported successive his business, the acumen that was illustrated are displayed as part of the magic of television and thought that must translate to leadership. and he's certainly talked about this a great deal. by the way i earlier talked about this trump pitching this black versus white season of the apprentice earlier this year, my colleague, abby phillip, interviewed former apprentice contestant i mean jackson on how he felt trump treated his black contestants. listen to this i've never known mr. trump to be comfortable around black people. >> i think he might be

comfortable around a certain sliver of black people, a certain type of black people. but i've never known him to be comfortable in our general company. i remember when i was on the apprentice, there was always this stilted interaction between us where he couldn't quite figure me out. i was that you know, unicorn negro i mean, what i saw the black versus white idea. >> did you ever see moments that kwame speaking about or that gave you pause when it came to trump's judgment or evaluation of people? >> well, you know interaction with him was an awful lot about marketing the show. so it didn't get too much into involved in the show, but i will say that when he suggested that to me he didn't he didn't seem to have a sense that it would be inappropriate or that advertisers would reject it, or that it didn't seem to be correct in sort of the culture we live with today, were you i did he think would be the result of that in turn,

would view it. >> he thought it would be very noisy. he thought everybody would be talking about it. he thought that it may be actually would hurt help the ratings. and what i said to him in the brief minute when he said that not wanting to insult him because that was basically something you didn't want to do because then you would get the same insults you got from anybody else. so you found a way to compliment him. and what it would say was well i can understand why you said that, because that's a really noisy idea. everybody be talking about that there will be headlines everywhere. on the other hand no advertiser, you make most of your money off of the integrations in the shows itself he made some on salary, but he makes most of it from the integrations because the show a company was it's featured as part of the integration of the actions between the two teams of the apprentices and that's where he paid it. they would pay a significant amount of money for that because unlike a commercial that you could dvr, he could skip this was part of the show and would not be facade. he would get a significant amount of money for that. i what i told him was

that no advertisers is going to be want to be an integration partner in your show, and that's how you get paid. and so i tried to rationalize it to him was something he would understand which was a money. and then he sort of have to often my wife was with me of that particular rap party. she asked her and she said, i think it's wrong to which she just sort of decided to move on and then eventually it went to the program people and the idea was shot down and we never really made that, but that was sort of my integration with them. and so it was more about the the provocatory. >> now the notoriety notoriety in the noise, and it's that would come from it. that's very telling in terms of where we see right now john miller, a fascinating piece. i encourage everyone to read it really great. thank you so much to hear from you. >> thanks for having me up next two billionaires walk into a political rally donald trump

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