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unnamed white house employee told the president that the network's were airing the riot. >> he was like, what do you mean? >> i said it's like there rioting there at the capitol and he was like, oh, really, alright, let's go see i'm taking off his outer coat and i get the t ready for him and hand him the remote and he starts watching it. and i stepped out to get them a diet coke, come back in, and that's pretty much it for me as he's watching it and seeing it for himself, that comes from an interview in a trove of documents just made public as part of prosecutor jack smith this case against trump alleging that he illegally tried to overturn the election. >> trump of course, has pleaded not guilty. cnn's katelyn polantz is here with us also with us is cnn senior legal analyst, elie honig. and kaitlan to you first, we know so much or i should say, we don't know so much because a lot of these documents are actually redacted they're blacked out. it's like a sea of black, but i know you're still poring through these nearly
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2000 pages because there are some bits and pieces. what can you tell us? >> there are bits and pizza's, but it's largely what we have seen before. things like the tweets that the special counsel's office has collected public speeches, even all of the photocopies of pages of mike pence's book that irrelevant to this case. and photocopies of what those fake elector certificates looked like. if you step back, this is the evidence in the case, so it's for appendices that the justice department has submitted into the court. and i got through scrolling, basically all 2000 pages of it because much of it is like this. it's totally blank. these pages, not black know. well, some of its black but much of it really is just blank pages, except for a couple of snippets. and those snippets are the things like that piece of a deposition in the house january 6 committee, the sort of evidence where individuals have already spoken publicly about what their interaction was with trump, what they
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noticed him wanting to do as the ride was taking place, the interactions they had the conversations that they had with him, things like mike pence in his book writing about what his calls with trump or like after the election as trump was telling him that he wanted to overturn turn this vote. all of this is in the court file because this is what the justice department needs to show the court to take this case to trial. they believe all of this is not immune that donald trump should be able to sit for trial because of this. and they want to show the court that this everything we have, this is what we would ultimately show a jury, and this is what we need to show you now to get this case moving forward, this is the january 6 case. it's not the classified documents case where there's so much that is so sensitive. so you might understand if a lot of it was redacted and we, you know, we see those redactions, its lines are two words that have been blacked out, but this is page after page of either blank or blacked out. do we know why? yeah. >> the reasons that is blacked out is because it's all of the information the justice
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department did on their own investigation that they have as part of their record, that would be put on as the show of the trial before the jury. and so the things that are looking like this, where it's a page that says see killed many, many pages. those are very likely grand jury transcripts which do remain confidential. interview notes from the fbi when they sat down with a witness, the things that are proprietary to the prosecutors that the defense has been able to see behind closed doors that the court has to look at now, but that we the public would only get to see when the trial happens because those people would be very likely called into court and then put under oath and testify in public. >> very interesting, or at least it will be a point at some point if, if, alright, kaitlan. thanks so much let's bring in elie honig to talk about this. elie howard are you seeing this filing? >> well, i'm not saying much like you guys, but what i'm trying to do is understand why
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so much of this would be redacted. i think a lot of people are wondering that obviously i can't see through the redactions, but i can tell you this. here's the kind of thing prosecutors order narrowly would redact one anything relating to an ongoing investigation that could jeopardize sources are witnesses number two, as kaitlan said, grand jury materials are typically supposed to remain confidential at least until trial number three anything that may reveal personal identifying information about a person a social security number or date of birth, that kind of thing. and finally prosecutors generally try to avoid putting information out in the public that could reflect poorly on somebody other than a charged defendant. so if there's someone who could suffer collateral damage, you try to limit the disclosure of that to the public. so that's the type of things that would probably be removed here elie, you call this filing by jack smith a cheap shot, why do you think that is? well, so it's a little bit different from what we saw today. but i took issue i believe that jack smith, i know that jack smith and judge chutkan reverse the ordinary course are procedure here in
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these filings order narrowly, the way it works under the rules of procedure is that the defense makes the motion first and then the prosecution response. jack smith went into court back in september, said to jeff judge chutkan, i want to reverse that. i want to go first, judge chutkan said that that request was quote procedurally irregular, and then she granted it. so that's the reason we're seeing this. now. know, judge chutkan is in a little bit of a different position though jack smith is bound by doj's policy against doing things that might influence an election to close to an election. judge chutkan, as she pointed it's happening, her ruling yesterday is not she's a judge. she's not bound by doj's policies and she decided that the public needs to see this and therefore, i'm going to release some of it at least. >> so what next elie so next judge chutkan has to take on the unenviable task of going through all this information, then getting trump's team response and decide hiding which of these facts alleged in the indictment are immune, meaning there official acts and which of them are private acts and therefore not immune. so basically, judge chutkan and
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the parties have to argue and decide which facts which allegations get to stay in this indictment and which further facts have to be pulled out of it? >> elie, in terms of the election in the proximity to the this election, is it unusual to have this kind of released by a court so close to such an important date. >> well, sure. i can't think of any precedent where a court has released something this close, you know, two weeks in change before our presidential election, judge chutkan does take that issue on in her ruling. she is essentially says, if i were to pause this, that would be out of the ordinary. and so i'm going to just conduct business in the normal course. it's really just in the eye of the beholder, alex, i think donald trump's team says, why wouldn't you just keep this under seal for 18 or 20 more days? not have to deal with the election that's actually what happened in the hush money case. the judge over there i'm not going to sentence you a couple of weeks before the election. we're just going to punt it until the end of november. trump's team said that judge chutkan should do the same. judge chutkan disagree. judge chutkan said, if i were to change the ordinary schedule in order to
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not drop this before the election. she says that would be election interference. it's a very much a rorschach test yes, it is. >> all right. elie honig. thanks so much for the perspective. really appreciate it. in the race for the white house. both presidential campaigns are targeting battleground michigan today this our vice president kamala harris is gonna be speaking to voters in grand rapids and then this evening, trump will be back in detroit just a week. you may remember after criticizing the city while he was there for another event down terms of the polling, the latest poll that we have out of michigan shows trump with a slight edge over harris. but as you see there there is no clear leader. >> this is about more than just one state though, michigan as part of that so-called blue wall trio along with wisconsin and pennsylvania the three states vote together more often than not. and anyone who's studied the electoral map will tell you whoever takes these three states, specifically pennsylvania, will most likely win the presidency. let's talk more about this now with larry sabato. he is the director for
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the center of politics at the university of virginia. larry, it's always great to have you early voting, of course, underway, 13% of active voters in michigan of cast ballots as of today, what's the potential for a headline to actually impact someone's vote at this point? >> well they're only a handful of people who actually are going to vote who are truly undecided there are a fair number of people who won't tell you who they're going to vote for, they know who they're going to vote for, or they may already know they've decided not to vote or not to vote for president. so i'm not a big believer that there are many people out there are even more than a handful who can really change their decision at this point. but i tell you it's in those three states, brianna, it is very important to focus on who benefits and who doesn't really. >> the odds are this isn't certain. we're still what, 18 days away, i think somewhere like that from the actual
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election, but the odds are that trump's goal is simply to deny kamala harris one of those three states. because again, the odds are she has to carry all three trump does not have to carry all three he's got another pathway that's clear, not just a toss-up pathway, but won that right now is being backed up by quite a number of polls being taken in georgia north carolina, and arizona, showing trump with a small lead in those states if he gets even two of the three than he doesn't need all three of those states, he could lose say wisconsin so she has the tougher job. i think kamala harris has the tougher job and she really has to sweep the blue wall, which gives trump a clear opportunity to block in ones they larry, it's been
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interesting to watch harris's media strategy. she went into the lion's den, if you will, sitting down with fox news earlier this week in that interview with bret baier and the network actually says that it was the most watched interview of this election season, more than 9 million people tuning in the highest market it mind you, pittsburgh, western pennsylvania. so larry, how much do you think that outreach to the conservatives watching fox news is going to help harris to the conservatives, not very much again vast majority of people who are going to vote or who have already voted, obviously knew for whom they were going to vote or no but for whom they're going to vote people tuned for lots of reasons, curiosity, maybe they tell themselves at some level of the mind, oh, i can be persuaded. >> i might switch. somebody says, i tell you 90% chance they're going to stick with whoever they've already decided on but i'll tell you what you did do. she proves you could do it. i mean, that is for a democrat, the worst possible for him and it was
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very contentious for him and she held her own. she gave as good as she got and she got the fox network and the anchor to admit that they had been wrong about a very serious item of not including the road i clip the right to video clip on the key question about whether the military could intervene and potentially arrest or detained citizens for having the temerity the temerity to oppose donald trump she did actually vice president harris take a question on the trail in michigan just a moment ago. let's play it being exhausted reason why he chose to here on the campaign trail. and beyond getting into the head of donald trump. but i will say that it should be a concern if he can't handle the rigors the campaign trail is
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fit to do >> what do you think about this, larry? because she's making his energy and an issue at a time when other people are looking at some of his recent erratic behavior, making that an issue how much of an issue is it right now it's already an issue. >> it's been an issue. it was an issue even when he was running against joe biden, it was just that joe biden was taking most of the spotlight away in terms of what people were claiming was a mental deficiency which may or may not be there may or may not have been there but in trump's case, he keeps providing evidence that there is a problem. it's not just that he won't release his medical records, which is really unprecedented. >> i mean, you have to go back to the 60s to find a candidate who wouldn't tell the truth about his his medical conditions. >> that was as we know, john f. kennedy and it matters there's it matters a lot. and i think
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the democrats and vice president harris are absolutely correct to focus on that and to focus on all these building examples not just of his word salads, but of the strange way he's behaving those 39 minutes while he was playing deejay calling up but tunes and dancing and his fred astaire way that's just playing odd. finally, we have a use for the word weird that makes automatic sense to everybody. >> not just not releasing his medical records, but going up, harris and hers, which included frankly, some fairly innocuous stuff, larry sabato, we have to leave it there. thanks very much for joining us today thank you very much and ahead this hour on cnn news central, hamas confirming the death of its leader yahya sinwar as the biden administration calls his killing an extraordinary opportunity for a ceasefire. we have a live report from tel aviv and the murder of two young girls in rural indiana
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cnn death of its leader yahya sinwar, who you of course was the architect of the october 7 attacks, which killed 1,200 people in israel and led to the captivity of around two hundred and 50 hostages. >> it is believed that 101 of those hostages do remain in gaza. they are both alive, alive, and deceased. >> and today, a hamas senior official said none of them would be released until these conditions were met. the quote, aggression on our people in gaza stops israel fully withdraws from gaza and palestinian prisoners in israel are released. let's go now to cnn's jeremy diamond. he is live for us in tel aviv. jeremy, you have some new details on how sinwar was killed. what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's right, brianna. well, up until now, the working assumption has been that yahya sinwar was likely killed by tank fire. that is what the israeli military has
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suggested as they said, that this exchange of gunfire that happened initially with sinwar and two other palestinian militants, ultimately ended with israeli tank firing a shell into the building where he was where he was wounded but now i've actually spoken today with the man who conducted the autopsy on yahya sinwar's body, dr. kugler, who is the chief pathologist as israel's national center of forensic medicine. and he tells me me that he is confident that it was a gunshot wound to the head that killed sinwar the cause of this is gunshot wound in the head. >> here's a bullet in his head and there's a severe traumatic brain injury injury from other sources, like a missile oil injury in his right forearm fallen masonry on his left leg, or tie, more and many sharpeners that shrapnel
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entered his body, but only in the chest. they caused the severe damage but the cause of death is the gunshot wound to the head and i asked the israeli military for comment on that at an israeli military spokesman telling me that they know that there was an exchange of gunfire and that the battle ended with a tank shell being fired at the building. >> but they said they are still working to get more details. but troops involved in the incident are still in combat in the gaza strip. dr. google also told me that the way that they actually confirmed that this was indeed yahya sinwar before his body was even brought to his forensic institute, was that a finger was cut off from the hamas leader's body while he was in the gaza strip by israeli soldiers. that finger was then sent in for dna analysis, and that is how they confirmed that it was indeed yahya sinwar, some pretty remarkable details from dr. google. and of course, he said
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that he actually was the one who signed this death certificate for yahya sinwar. and he said that he was proud to do so all right. >> jeremy diamond. thank you so much for the report we have state department spokesperson matthew miller with us now. matthew, thank you for joining us is it the biden administration's position that killing sinwar should end the war in gaza see come out of this as an opportunity to end the war. absolutely. >> i can tell you that over the last few months, the primary obstacle to getting an agreement to stop this war has been yahya sinwar. >> he obviously is a person that made the decision to authorize the terrorist attacks of october 7. and then in the last few months has been the person who's still but in the way for hamas and getting a ceasefire, there have been at times over the course of negotiations where there were other senior officials in hamas who wanted to move forward with a ceasefire. and sinwar said no, and we saw him over the last few months consolidate control of both the political wing and the military wing of
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hamas. and then in that last month, refused to negotiate at all. so he has been the chief obstacle to moving forward to end the war, return the hostages home, provide relief for the palestinian people in gaza and real security in israel. and now that he has been removed, we certainly want to take the opportunity to try and find a path forward that accomplishes all of those things the president striking a similarly hopeful tone yesterday to the idea of this creating a window bove opportunity for a hostage and ceasefire deal. >> but that's not really how netanyahu appears to see it when you listen to his rhetoric, why should hostage families including those of americans still being held in gaza, read this as anything more than lip service so we're going to have those conversations with prime minister netanyahu as the president said yesterday, secretary blinken is going to travel to the region next week. >> and of course, will be engaged in conversations about how to win how to end this war israel accomplished a very important strategic objective yesterday, one that they have that has obviously been a high priority for them since october
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7. but bringing home the remaining 101 hostages, including importantly, seven americans who are still held hostage in gaza, is another critically important strategic objective. and we continue to believe the best way to do that is through an agreement that allows them to come home and then sets the conditions for real security for israel that has been the topic of conversation. i think sometimes has been lost and the public debate that we continue to believe that kind of endless conflict on the ground in gaza not only has obvious horrific consequences for the palestinian people who live there, but it doesn't do anything to establish israel's long-term security either. and in fact, it continues to add to stability that threatens israel's long term security. so that's the conversation we look forward to having with the prime minister. >> notably, the u.s. did not release video or pictures of osama bin laden after his killing buried him at sea in an undisclosed location. so that there was no place for his supporters to honor him israel
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released video of sinwar's last moments. do you worry that that gives energy to terrorists? >> no, i don't look, i think the terrorists and terrorist sympathizers, we're going to say what they're going to say about ya sinwar and do what they're going to do no matter what, no matter whether there were images released or not. i just hope that everyone across the region and everyone across the world will remember who yahya sinwar actually was and what his legacy actually is. it's not just that he launched this attack that killed 1,200 people, including men and women and little babies children, elderly, and took little babies and children, hostages, continues to hold hot, continue to hold hostages to this day. but it's also that he unleashed the conflict that has killed more than 40,000 people inside gaza, killed more than 40,000 palestinians, including many of them civilians that is ya-ya sinwar's legacy is a blood-soaked legacy that i hope
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everyone across the world, but will remember the president, president biden says he has an understanding of how and when israel is going or will respond to iran it's attack is he comfortable with how israel is going to respond to the attack so i know the president gave that answer and then declined to comment on it further. >> and i think i'll do the same here. we have been in intense conversations with the government, israel about the nature of this response, about the scope of this response, obviously, there are a number of things things that you heard the president say publicly, we didn't want to see over the course of the last few weeks as we were continuing those discussions and i think i'll leave it at that that we know we are in the place where continue to talk to them. but in terms of what they might do i think i'll keep that private alright. >> matthew miller with the state department. thank you so much thank you. we'll be right back >> kamala harris, wednesday at 90 on cnn. let's be honest,
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