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>> modern credit campaigning tonight for vice president kamala harris in tucson, arizona and he is revising his pitch to young men

notice this, especially with some men who think trump's behavior, the bullying and putting people down act and, all you know, pretend tough guy. that somehow that's a sign of strength not what real strength is never has been real strength is about working hard and carrying a heavy load without complaining real strength is about taking responsibility for your actions and telling the truth even when it's inconvenient real strength is about helping people who need it standing up for those who can't always stand up for themselves that's what we should want for our daughters and our sons. that's what i want to see in the president of the united states of america that's a bit different than what happened last week when obama was

accused of scolding young black men for even thinking about not supporting harris, something he was widely criticized for but all this attention on young men it is very significant currently, harris is trailing trump among young men, and trump is taking advantage today. >> returning to a familiar refrain that men are under siege, even saying this on fox we're under attack for everything we will actually manhood. >> yes, under jack will actually no, it's not. let's discuss all this with liam donovan, van jones, and lz granderson. then begin with you. today's pitch from obama to male voters. you and i talked, i think a week ago so today, frankly, about your views on his last speech, does this land better for you that what you heard before is an example of the kind of man i don't care who you are. >> if your daughter brought him

home, you would be proud. if that were your mentor, if that were your brother, your father, your co-worker, he is a strong, good man, a good, strong man. the idea that that's not welcome in democratic party is ridiculous because there he is and so i do think that that's obama at his best when he when he when he gets that tone in his voice, it's just it's just riveting. i also think that there's some masculinist stuff going on the trump side that i think has been very destructive in the black community. and i think we need to get away from that type type of thing. >> what i'll say he was be expansive, of course on this idea of masculinity and trump has consistently talked about masculinity being under attack. the idea of people have conflated the topic of toxic masculinity with gender identity and not bridging any gaps are appreciating a nuance between how it's articulated in any way. james carville had

some thoughts the way on the young men issue telling the new york times is concerns about the democratic party's message saying a suspicion of mine is that there are too many preachy females don't drink beer, don't watch football, don't eat hamburgers. this is not good for you. the message is too feminine everything they're doing is destroying the planet you've got to eat your peas. he's got a lot of blood. he had a lot of bcg was saying that of course, a lot of blowback is that was back i think what march earlier this year. >> is that a precipitate a perception though that has taken hold? democrat, so i can't speak to the party. but what as an observer as someone who has covered politics for 25 years or so, i can say that what i witnessed laura has been a consistent effort on the republican side. to play up this ideology of what it means

to be a man from a very physical perspective. the rambo, the terminator, that imagery all the guns, all of those things are sort of undergirding this notion that republicans have embraced about what it means to be a man and at the same time, you look at the democrats, the progressive side of things. and they're really emphasizing things such as compassion, being more in tune to your humanity things such as karen about the planet. and so i can see why someone who's caught in the middle and trying to find where they may rest could be conflicting for them. but i don't think any of this conversation should be in any way targeted towards the vice president. this is a conversation that has been happening long before she was in office. and so what i recognize the fact that we want to turn to the polls and look at where she made they need to be looking for votes. i think characterizing this character, this conversation as if she has

a problem with young voters, as if the democrats, how been hemorrhaging male voters for decades. i think as mischaracterizing this conversation entirely you're you're right to think about how. it turned you on this leon because this campaign is what, 70 something days old with her at the top of the ticket, clearly, the conversations about masculinity has far predated that. >> and yet, this idea of, according younger men was on full display. >> the rnc, i mean, you had people like hulk hogan and ripping off his shirt at the rnc, you had dana white, obviously dana white from the it was with a prime time speech as well from the ufc. you have trump doing a whole lot of podcasts and having demographic base that is in tune with the very young when they want to talk to you is this an effective strategy for trump to win or is it just an effective strategy to have this be a part of the conversation? >> i'll say this, it's a logical strategy if you think about who he has access to, who

he is probably written off this point, i think the attitudes, attitudes towards trump with women voters, particularly college-educated females, that sort of thing. that's a sunk costs. so he needs to go and make up for that somewhere. so the logic makes sense. this is a huge audience to think about these podcasts, these are massive audiences on the one hand, they're underserved markets, both from mass media and by politics and politicians. their messages is and their attitudes sort of line up with what donald trump was peddling the populism, the antiestablishment. notes. so that makes perfect sense. the question is the effectiveness and that comes down to the question of whether they can get into her out and vote. so they're banking a lot on these infrequent voters coming out to the polls. this is as much about gender spelman, but it's a generational. the young men piece of this is really key and it transcends race as well. being you're talking the reason the kamala harris and again, talking about the podcast's audience and whatnot, the reason that kamala's going, whether it's with charlemagne, whether it's frankly going on with call her daddy. these are balkanized

audiences in lots of different places young voters in general are getting they're media and getting their information from other places. you need to go to where they are. in this case, donald trump needs to get them to turn out and that's the open question that we don't know until election day. >> that's a good point, but think about how to make up for whatever perceived deficit you have. are you writing off that you're not going to get this groups you're going to bulk up this one and will they actually turn out, i mean, van former president barak obama is about to cross this country for harris next weekend, former michelle obama, former first lady michelle obama will join her. why this many appearances though, just 18 days before the election is it too late or is this right on time it's right on time. >> look, these are nuclear weapons and when you're talking about michelle obama i mean, if you, if you have a hard time getting in and out of the rally today, way told michelle obama steps onto the stage. where does she steps onto the playing field? so you don't want to

use all your best stuff early. you've got a lot of people who are going to want to have a sense of momentum. they're going to have a sense that they're joining something right here at the end. so i think i don't i don't think that you wanted to have michelle obama out there every day. i think you want to bring her in for the clothes she is the closer don't forget even during the 2008 campaign, everybody calls her the closer a bomb would come in. he say stuff, then they bring michelle and as you say, look, you all need to vote need to do yes ma'am. and so i'm excited i don't think it's too late at all i'm looking forward to seeing what she does again, there'll be wall-to-wall coverage. they wouldn't michelle obama stepped onto the stage. it will be wall-to-wall coverage. >> well 18 days to go. that's going to fly by, frankly, everyone. thank you so much. nice to see you all thank you ahead. >> which political party lies? >> the most who's the worst liar in american politics well, the crater of politifact joins me to answer those questions. >> and more. that's next.

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are carved from the top of the republican party all witnessed the past couple of weeks. >> but how did they get away with it? especially considering there are more fact checkers now than ever before. an end of 2022, there were four 424 fact checking websites. that's up from only 11 in 2008, according to duke university yet still, why does it seem like sifting through the lies and today's politics is more difficult than ever before and were over why does it feel like more people are actually believing the lies and doubling down? now when they do, i want to bring in villa dare, he is the creator of politifact and the author of the brand new book beyond the big lie. and he is joining me in studio bill, good to see you. >> thank you for having me this i mean, you came up at a time in terms of politifact's of trying to combat the misinformation back down. >> we call it lives. now it's misinformation. and in this and the 2008 era, in particular, that was when it started to

gain a bit of a stronghold, but now it's more than ever before in spite of all of the fact-checking why. >> well, it does he it seems like 2008 was an innocent age, doesn't it yeah. and here we are with this avalanche of lies. and it's really worrisome. you know, a few things have changed. i think what one thing that affects all of all of particularly conservative politicians is an ecosystem in the media that is frictionless. they can lie and not have any anyone challenged them. there are no consequences. and so and not only that, but often some of the companies will need to echo those lies because that affects their bottom line. and we saw that in the dominion case against fox that fox lost viewers when it didn't go along with the big lie about the 2020 election so that's one thing

that's changed, and the other thing of course, is donald trump. donald trump is not just the leader of the republican party, but he's a role model for so many republican politicians who just follow what he says will echo what he says without any regard for whether it's true. >> i found it really interesting. you talk about writing this new book in part to correct the alliance have your own, you say. >> so i was on c-span and a caller from called in on the democratic line and said, hey, i've heard that democrat, that republicans lie more. is that true? and i said we don't keep score and that was actually the lie because i knew at the time that even even then in 2012, that there was a tremendous disparity and that there were more lies on the republican side. >> and so one of the reasons i wrote the book, as you indicated, is i felt like we need to have a discussion about

that well, why do you think that is obviously there must be either some strategy or gain from doing so. when i talked to people former republicans, political operatives, members of congress the answer was pretty consistent. one was that the culture of the party endorses lying as a way of sort of getting whatever you're trying to achieve. and they traced that back to newt gingrich and they said things really changed when newt gingrich took the house in the early 1990s, and that changed the culture of the republican party. >> they would push back insulins say, no, we don't have a culture of lying. we're not being told to lie that you just have a different take on the views that's our overwhelming political rorschach test. >> sure. and i've i've i've heard complaints that factcheckers are biased ever since i started politifact in 2007 and i think that's understandable i'm a sports

fan. i'm a duke basketball fan and i know that the referees in the atlantic coast conference are biased against duke that they only call fowles against duke and not against the university of north carolina. >> so i, you know, i laugh and give everyone who's watching his leg right but you at your yeah i understand so, you know, obviously that's ridiculous. and i understand, though, by saying something like that, there is passion for your team. >> last question for you, i guess that's who is the worst liar know, i know you're not biased here, but who is the worst liar and why, i guess by the worst, maybe it's the most effective one well, i think no one comes close to donald trump and you know the washington post fact-checker, glenn kessler is provided a great service by tracking his his lies over the years and it's there's just no one else that

lies at the volume that he does really, really fascinating so much bill a day or thank you so much. the book again is called beyond the big lie. well, we already told you a little bit about trump's rambling fox and friends appearance, but we saved the best for last i, love cows, but if we go with kamala, you won't have any cows split the www we're coming weather coming on for cows. that's the thing that trump is telling people will explain how trump developed his latest tall tale. >> next of american foreign policy. how did we get here first, of the reads of korea special sunday at 8:00 on cnn which he's taking a little bit this part is never easy.

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probably not the six-year-olds. >> answer that he was expected it's also not the first time trump has warned about the impending alleged cal maga more cows and no windows and buildings. >> and she wants the government to stop people from meeting red meats. you wants to get rid of, you cows. no more cows so where did he get this idea? >> well, trump claims it's in the green new deal from progressive democrats. >> but the policy proposal only advocated for working collaboratively with farmers to reduce greenhouse gas emissions like the methane that cows release, not getting ready it of cows completely. if harris never suggestion it, her response tonight just a bunch of question marks and then more she told cnn a few years ago, it doesn't sound like she's ban and cows anytime soon.

>> and just to be very honest with you, i love cheeseburgers from time to time. right? i mean, i i just do so those cute cows at trump's loves to talk about so much will likely be safe. >> we're going to rise of who wins and just 18 days thank you for watching and one note before we go, you can catch a brand new episode of how i got news for you with host roy wood jr. and team captains, amber ruffin and michael ian black tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern. guests this week include comedian alex edelman and what will commentator sam seder, anderson cooper 360 is next with more days left, the vice president, former president, make michigan. >> their focus is she talks about trump's alleged exhaustion >> it's abraham lincoln should have cut a deal to end the civil war. also tying foreign prison obama campaigns in arizona, one of 22020