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>> hello again and welcome. it's time to break down the big stories with some smart people. today we're asking as. kamala harris campaigns with republicans and does a fox interview is or reach out to conservatives, a good strategy. then dancing and canceling. what's going on with donald trump's latest head head-scratching campaign moves and they're back. china's giant pandas returned to the nation's capital. but the price tag is a bear. the panel is here and ready to go. so sit back, relax and let's talk about weeks now until election day. >> kamala harris and donald trump remain deadlocked in the polls. so this week, harris took a new tack, turning to retention to a group of voters who might be a tough sell.

republicans on this yes, i finished man finish responding for kamala harris sitting for a combative interview on fox news. i'm sorry. and with all due respect, that clip was not what he has been saying about the enemy within that's not what you just showed going from attacking donald trump. to clarifying previous answers and how she'd be different than president biden. >> my presidency will not be a continuation of joe biden's presidency. >> and addressing what she's said in the past about enrolling illegal immigrants in free health care listen, that was five years ago, and i'm very clear that i will follow the law arrows trying to draw a sharp contrast with trump, especially on the issue of democracy. >> he has talked about turning the american military on the american people. this is what is at stake, echoing remarks from a rally this week where she was flanked by former republican lawmakers who broken with trump. >> we must put our country over our party and there's some opportunity for harris with a

recent poll showing about 18% of likely voters in key swing states still undecided, including many who supported republican nikki haley. >> they feel as though there are enough disaffected republicans that they can make inroads. >> here with me today, podcaster, journalist and author kara swisher, reihan salam, president of the manhattan institute and national review, contributing editor, new york times journalist and the interview podcast host lulu garcia navarro, and conservative pollster and new york times opinion writer kristen all does anderson welcome back everyone. kristen was it a smart move for harris to go on fox? >> i think it was a smart move. i think it would have been a smarter move if she had executed the interview better. but from the choice to accept the interview, i do think it's smart because right now, no, but i'm talking about what happened in the interview i still think that she did not perform great. >> i think that her answer on

the question of people think the country's on the wrong track you have been in the vice president explain. i still think she doesn't have a sharp enough answer on this. she was asked and multiple other times this week in other contexts and still kind of give strange answers. i think she doesn't have a crisp enough response there, but i still think that it is smart to show. i'm not afraid to go into tough places. so while the execution may have been wanting, i do think strategically it made sense. lulu, i think it's fair to say that harris had a tough time trying to distinguish herself from biden and how things have gone the last three plus years, she had a tough time on immigration wasn't a net positive for her to do that interview, not the choice, but the actual interview was a net positive unquestionably the way that these interviews play out. now is that everyone takes from what they want, it gets clipped, it gets pushed out. and so there were enough very strong moments as we saw just hear that she had that really

kind of pushed forward her message specifically on the issue of democracy specifically on the issue of donald trump and house has just think the optics of brett baer constantly interrupting her. it looked like heckling and she kind of standing in up straight and tall and being able to push back. i think those optics worked for her to there are some opportunities for harris in the gop primaries nikki haley won just under 20% of the vote against trump including after she dropped out. and there are indications that many of those haley voters are not firmly committed to trump kara, how many republican voters do you think are really up for grabs that for harris to get? >> i think quite a few. i think it's a woman thing is she's, gotta go for those women that likes nikki haley, and some of the men. i thought she would the fox thing. i think she's showing that they're seeing her my mom was like, oh, she's not dumb which i think what trump has been has been trying to drill in just like, oh, she was smart we all care about the little things. i don't think

most voters that are watching this see it. i think they see her and the added plus she didn't sit around and sway to ave maria for 39 minutes. that you get into that that was a visual thing. so i mean, she showed that she could do it not every answer was chris. i think we sit around in the details and most people just see you're showing up, looking strong, answering, having a go-to with with bret and that was that i think these things flyby like, you can't believe ryan cam hey, can harris rather pickup republican votes with a message that she delivered? and the answers that she gave in that interview on fox. >> i doubt it, but i do think that there has been some erosion for harris among independent voters and also about low propensity working class democratic voters. so i think that actually trying to pitch republicans, you might indirectly benefit yourself with those constituencies that right now seem pretty under motivated. and that's also why agree with the panel that it was a good idea to go on fox?

it's a good idea to make this more moderate pitch. >> so are you basically saying by standing up to brad? and if you want to call it hackling to stand up to the heckling that she may get more of her voters rather than actually switching people's minds. motive motivate her base. >> one difference between harris and brock obama and bill clinton is that what those previous democratic presidents, you had someone who would say, hey, the democratic party was wrong out this. the democratic party took the wrong stance here. the excesses of the climate movement, the excesses of the social justice left. harris hasn't really done that. and that's really important, not just for winning over republicans, but for winning over a whole swath of voters were in the middle, including democrats, who again, enthusiastic it's typically back brock obama and bill clinton. those are the folks that she needs to get on. >> it's a really interesting point and karen, let's go back to that because you know, we all we don't know all but people who are knutsen into this game way too heavily, talk

about clinton's sister soldier moment when during the campaign in 1992, she called out a far left person kind of make him seem like a center sheet. she has not had a sister-soldier moment. she has been i would say, not on only reluctant, but just hasn't stood up to some of the progressive left of her party. why not? >> i think because she doesn't have a y chromosome and doesn't get credit for things more than other people. i think she does. if she goes there's too far at attacking biden or other people. she looks strident. they use words like strident or bossy or whatever. and i think she's gotta be very separate herself from biden. >> she could she could just take some issue that is on the left and say she's done that. >> she's talking about how she uses guns and she's locked i mean, she's she's talked about how she has moderated her positions on immigration. i mean, she's would rank question why why she hasn't actually said, look, there are folks in the immigrant rights

movement who've gone too far gone movement has gone too far. she's basically saying my values haven't changed. she's trying to make this pivot without actually hey, i mean, these guys are trump is talking about harvey weinstein got she longed. i was shocked by that. come on, like stopping this is the point. >> the point is that it's always evasion. it's always saying that donald trump is bad. the folks are going to vote for the folks who are going to vote for harris already believed that what they want to see is whether or not she has the backbone to faced on book. >> i want to get one more subject in this conversation, because i'm struck by something else this week back in august when harris took over from biden on her campus, said they were ditching the focus on democracy, which they thought wasn't breaking through and focusing instead on personal freedom and the future. but now harris was again talking about the threat of trump this is a democracy. >> and in democracy, the president of the united states in the united states of america

should be willing to be able to handle criticism without saying he'd lock people up for doing it kristen, why do you think harris is pivoting back in these final days to the whole question of trump and democracy, they must have some internal data that suggests that's the message that's going to overcome the reluctance to support harris on the part of republicans who say she's too far left. >> i know donald trump says crazy things, but at least he's going to do the policies. i want by going with this message is a way, if not to make those voters outright vote for harris, she may just be hoping that she can make donald trump seems scary enough. to these nikki haley type voters. look, you can just leave it blank. that to me is the unspoken message. you can just leave the top of the ticket blank. you don't have to vote for this guy. >> i have to say though i am just so exhausted by the idea that she is so far left and that she's a communist. they tried this for biden in 2020.

biden's a communist if he gets into power, the entire country is going to collapse. i mean, this is something i hear in miami all the time and she said a lot of pretty far left saying she hadn't been biden biden was not a communist. the country hasn't fallen into communism, and i will say that xi in 2019 said some things that definitely fall into the progressive camp, which she has now recanted and going they'll never explaining why you know, were good enough. >> like because it literally go what you had this view on decriminalization had this view, what you're actually i should, my values haven't checked what happened with donald trump and abortion. he was for it advantage of the what about-ism? i'm not sure it goes to what i don't know, but it's no. i don't want to do the what about-ism. what i what i want to say is there is a real question about what does kamala harris actually believe and that is i think a fair question to be pressed on. i'm not saying that it isn't what i think is not fair is this is just the extrapolation from that that somehow she is the next sort of you know now say

tongue, that's going to come over here. >> anybody's saying that, but anyway, donald trump we're going to get to talk about donald trump no stranger to controversial comments. but this week it says behavior that setting off alarm bells, including dancing for 30 minutes at a rally also ahead, trust issues that concerning trend in who people believe is there anything we can do to stop it and light are swiping right or left depending if you're right or left. the new political twist to today watches this show. >> so stuff then a cnn special event, two weeks before election day vice president harris basis voters and takes the pressing questions lie anderson cooper moderates a cnn and actual town hall. kamala harris, wednesday at nine eastern on cnn what does a robot know about love?

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>> hope is okay, then he attacked bloomberg news and other business media, or what is the wall street journal. >> they've been wrong about everything. so of you, by the way you've been wrong about in front of a female audience, trump made this declaration. >> i want to talk about ivf, the father of ivf, the harris campaign posting again, what is he talking about? and there are the questionable stops and deep blue states less than three weeks from the election first, holding the rally in california and booking madison square garden in new york city late this month a trump confidence saying, quote he's been obsessed with this for at least a year kristen what's going on with trump? high wish i knew. i he definitely i mean, he's older and i think the reason why we haven't focused on it more is because he's odd all the time. >> but i do think i remember it was a couple of months ago on

this show. >> we played the clip of trump from 2015, and i was so struck by how different he was. and i think this change in him has been gradual enough that people wouldn't don't, don't really perceive it. but if free advice to the harris campaign, if you showed a clip of donald trump from 2015 and then a clip of him now, just saying like sort of the same thing, you know, playing the hits it will be different. and then you don't have to beat the drum and say, donald trump's too old, because frankly, i don't think many democrats have the credibility to go there after the way america was told. oh, there's nothing wrong with joe biden. but i think you could just let the clip speak for themselves and i think it could be pretty devastating it's not just some of his words which have been barbie in the past during his appearance, which seems to be older. >> it's also some of his decisions and his ability to make points and stay on point and a conversation. what's going on she's old and he's increasingly adult and i'll just say of the things that you've just shown, there was a

recent one that happened on friday it where he sat down with fox and friends and was supposed to be a very touching moment where a ten-year-old called in and said, mr. president, please tell me who was your favorite president when you were younger and he said, i really loved lincoln, but he should have made a deal on the civil war. >> now, you know, this is a slightly problematic point of view to have that you should have cut a deal with the south. so maybe slavery could still be around. i mean, this is the kind of stuff that if you listen to it is got to be deeply yearning. >> pick me, people are listening and people are noticing trump's performance on the trail check out this poll in july after the trump biden debate, but before biden dropped out, he trailed trump by 29 points on the question who is in better mental and physical health to be president but in september just after their debate, trump trails harris by 20 points on the same question. kara, how big a factor do you think in the end

trump's acuity will be a lot. >> i think people are noticing, as you can see it over and over and over again. and it's not just trump being weird, as kristen said, because he does that. he says weird things all the time. this looks like kristi noem look like a home health aid trying to get the guy back in the room. that's what it felt like. we should point out. >> people the governor of south dakota, and she was there during the dance, the 39th know what to do. she was looking for a dog to kill, to take focus off of him or something. >> nice. i know but i literally didn't know what to do. >> the guy that guy in the univision thing, what a look he's like the guy in the univision and things we've said, i want to know about january 6, and he said it was a day of love he's just announced he's going to vote not vote for trump because of his answer there. and the last one was on the fox news one, there was a guy sitting on the end. i don't know who he was, but when trump to the civil war thing, he went like this. he could even the fox person couldn't be like and it feels like an old guy who says things at the table that everybody was

clear before he dropped out that voters were losing and perhaps have lost confidence in biden's ability to run the country for four more years. are we in the process in these last two plus weeks of saying the same thing happening to trump. >> i don't think so because i think that basically voters at this point find him familiar. there's the way in which donald trump was someone who is a norm breaker. he was someone who was drastically different. and now he's become a much more familiar figure and a lot of this stuff is priced in right now. so there's a disadvantage to that, which is that no, i don't think it's to do you don't worry that he's not adult? >> no, i don't worry that. >> why did you do that with biden and not noticed you have to be noticing these strange. >> so i do think that well, i'm not sure if we're talking about political analysis here. you're asking me for my assessment on you assess when when he was doing it, you kept i think i did it in the style of analysis and trying to think through how he's perceived by voters so happy to talk about how it's being perceived by

voters and the voters are winnable. >> very clear that biden was too old over and over and over again. and here is obvious, right? >> kara and i ultimately came to the conclusion that it seems what i was saying for a long time is that there are folks within the biden white house were very concerned about it right now, these concerns about donald trump are being raised by people who are entirely comfortable with joe biden being president, right now during what is an incredibly fraught geopolitical moment. so that does undermine the credibility of the folks that we're talking about this but i mean, i would say and i want to move on. >> is you can say it's hypocritical. on the other hand, it doesn't erase the issue as to whether or not up to four years with brexit also the case, regardless of whether or not democrats been kept critical about it. >> absolutely. >> i want to i want to pick up on this trump's media strategy in these closing days of the campaign in recent weeks, he has canceled or postponed a number of high-profile mainstream media appearances for a variety of reasons, ranging from scheduling conflict to need an apology.

lulu is trump's strategy of sticking to friendly platforms, is not working. >> i think so. i think it's a smart strategy at this point because of the things that we've discussed don't go on places where you're going to get. i literally watched the entire thing with john micklethwait the bloomberg editor who interviewed him at the chicago economic club exactly. >> because i'm, i'm interested in economics. it's important for me to understand the president's position on this. and it was a mind boggling sort of interview. it was incredibly hard for him to be pinned down. the only answer he would kept on giving over and over again was about tariffs and then he'd go into these long discursive responses you know, it was very difficult to understand what he was amta he's talking about the we've over and over again when he realized he was maybe you know, sort of dodging and a little bit timid just really quickly explain the wave is that he starts on a point, he goes off on a tangent are several tangents, and then it comes

back and he gets to exactly the same point which i must say he does do. it's fairly quiet on the point that he had a tough interviewer, john micklethwait, the univision group that was a tough interview. he's doing a ton of tough, challenging interviews. >> well, you'd agree though, that he's ducking a lot of interviews as well, but we just talked about cnbc for one minute after an experimental debating schedule. >> that's right. >> yeah, i think the backing out of the interviews is odd, but i wouldn't say that this is him being in his basement. he is very out there giving his opponents plenty of fodder as well. i mean, but he's he's not in his basement. >> no. trust in politicians as one thing, but now there's a crisis so some confidence in an institution we know all too well plus pricey pandas, the popular bears are back in washington but they come with a pretty hefty price tag. >> tomorrow night. i'll read zakaria special. could the 2024 election changed the face of american foreign policy? it's

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