mourn what we may have lost with the downfall of the sheriff of wall street. >> but it was his zealous belief in his own righteousness that made eliot spitzer's self-destruction inevitable. and that might be why this story is so chilling former president trump was a steamroller in the white house and it landed in insurrection on the steps of the capitol if we can't shake our addiction to strongman to those utterly convinced of their own greatness. there will be many more like spitzer in positions of power, posing even bigger threats who are fragile democracy crusaders wanting their portraits on the walls of history every governor of new york has the chance to be immortalized in a painting that hangs in the new york state capitol a self-directed monument to his or her own illustrious legacy. all of them are, they're all but to the first served in the early 19th century and left no the likeness >> this is behind the second is eliot spitzer

governor mark sanford was a repeat publican, rockstar. >> his reputation as a budget slashing deficit hawk, family man, had the gop betting on him to beat obama in 2012 until he became a missing person the search for sanford through his office into chaos and turned up a secret love affair and a bizarre set of lies that coined the phrase to hike the appalachian trail but it also revealed something deeper. >> how even the most tightly controlled political persona can mask the messy imperfect reality of a human being and counter-intuitively, when the world was crashing down around him bearing at all might have been the savviest political move of mark sanford career

>> do you know where your governor is? that's what the citizens have. south carolina are wondering where in the world is our governor of mystery tonight in south carolina, the state's governor, mark sanford disappeared for days. >> governor alert the search for mark sanford in june 2009, south carolina governor mark sanford became a missing person news began to go route and south carolina getting the papers, like, no one knows where the governor is, south carolina governor's missing, where is he? is he dead somewhere in a ditch with each day that tick by, the mystery grew. >> media carolina don't know where he is, not even his wives, just so strange as well-known father of four young boys wasn't home for father's

day. >> and more and more people started asking the headline of today is local paper says sanford awol, who's in charge. >> it was going to complete dereliction of duty. imagine if there was a mass shooting or hurricane you know, anything. >> i think all of us are concerned. we're worried about where he might be speculation was rampant. >> some people thought he was dead. >> a fringe view thought he'd been abducted by aliens. >> it was only after he'd been gone for nearly a week and sanford staff, finally offered an explanation of where he was his staff he was hiking the appalachian trail tonight, we find out this email coming through just a few minutes ago, the governor is actually hiking the appalachian trail. the governor is said to be quote clearing his head somewhere along the appalachian trail that stretches from georgia to maine the governor is hiking the appalachian trail why would that be such a big secret reporter with the state newspaper had gotten a tip that mark sanford never went

anywhere near at the appalachian trail and it goes nowhere near argentina, which is actually where he had been. >> what could compel a sitting governor to up and lead his state all the way to argentina without any kind of notice at all. the answer could only come from mark sanford himself and considered the bottom line is this. >> i i've been unfaithful to my wife hi developed a relationship with a dear, dear friend, turned out he was a man in love >> mark sanford was not after all, hiking by himself on the appalachian trail, hiking the appalachian trail, which then instantly to the lexicon as a euphemism for an affair was hiking on the appalachian trail, which is a trail that starts in maine and ends in an argentine woman's it was all over the late night shows. >> it was every monologue, hiking what do you mean?

what's that lipstick? what is hiking the appalachian who is just message a huge contribution to the english language. so the guy had an affair when was really sloppy about covering it up he is hardly the first politician to do that. but there was something about this man dropping off the grid to see his secret international lover that truly shocked people myself included full disclosure. i was friendly with mark and jenny sanford. i first met them more than 20 years ago when i was covering the south carolina primary. my now wife and i watched the super bowl at the governor's mansion in 2004 mark going awol, reading poetry and the bible while on a weeklong solo hike. that frankly seemed totally believable. so when folks begins speculating about seedy possibilities, i wrongly wrote it off as the worst kind of sensationalist journalism and when it was proven true who i felt dong, i felt duped for

naively believing that i ever knew mark sanford, the person when i really only knew mark sanford, the politician. and i wasn't the only one right there with me caught between image and reality was stanford's closest aide his former chief of staff, scott english. thank you so much for sitting down with us. you worked for mark sanford from 96 to 2015. is that yes. i have my impression of him which was that he was a nice, affable guy he issued a proclamation for our wedding which i do not have hanging up in my house anymore but i mean, my point is i knew him and i liked him and jenny and marshall and bobo and blake and landon what did you think of them? >> i love and respect this guy. i put in a lot of effort with this guy. okay. i missed a lot of my children's life for this guy. which is by the way is why i've never done an interview about this ever in my life and until today, but i could just

never imagine him he had no game. i mean, he just didn't and when someone threw out to me that maybe he had a mistress, i just laughed and said there's no way this guy has got a mistress. >> you and i both thinking that it was absolutely appalachian trail. it will is good. i mean, it made me feel better. >> i'm like, yeah, that makes sense. he's a weirdo maybe you think we're being dramatic, are exaggerating. how could we be so shocked at a politician having an affair? but you got to understand the mark sanford had one of the most convincing political persona's in the game. and this was the guy we thought we knew. >> time magazine named you one of the five most boring governors in america that staying what you learn in politics, you're going to be some folks that don't like us, some folks that love us and the real key is are we staying true to what we believe in what, what, what we promised to voters in the first place and then you can live with that and sort of leave it alone with the other 49% because you're going to please everybody you are

incredibly boring when that was filled and it was like yeah, you're boring. >> you were like manila envelope stapled to a brown wall, boring? yeah that's completely accurate, which is again, why we were just completely shocked that it was just very passionate, emotional affair with this woman you know, the other side of the caught, it was just completely out of character or for what we thought we knew about the guy here's the thing i can accept. >> the politics is a bit like professional wrestling. candidates play a part to make headlines and win elections. but there's a fine line between marketing and outright deception. and mark sanford scandal made me question is there any truth to a political persona? and what's the cost of keeping it up? >> so when you worked for him, you described him by saying he's willing to say what he believes act accordingly and

live with the consequences but more recently you have suggested that that's part of an image and a brand and not reality. >> so there's a duality to mark one is the mark sanford that you meet in political life. that's the brand guy. that's the image that it's not unique to markets you know, all, all of these people we'll have exactly the same thing it is about them. they are the brand. so you always had to be cognizant of the fact that you weren't just working for an individual person, but you are working for this brand. >> what was his brand? >> his brand was focusing very much on limiting the size of government and balancing the budget that was for him, that was his way of connecting with the audience congressman mark sanford, republican of south carolina, is the fresh face of this new breed. >> i've actually got the remnants of last night's dinner here. >> this is the new way. >> this is not the hundred and $50 dinner where it gaza and that did save the crust. i mean, i didn't want anything to go to waste the fiscal

conservative thing with mark sanford was not an act. >> he was painfully fiscally conservative and for example, there's an infamous freak out. >> the congressional office about him finding a discarded paper club in the trash can and he dug around in there and grabbed it back out and you can reuse this. >> is he really making it safe? paper clips? >> of course i remember jenny sanford, an interview complaining about he would not buy new suit jackets that he would just wear the same clothes for years and years. >> he didn't just talk the big game about being frugal. he really was a frugal man while being frugal does not necessarily block a man from a little romance. >> mark inhabited this penny pinching, sweetly curmudgeon lee character so thoroughly, i just could not imagine there were other aspects of him you know, he's mark sanford family man. >> he's mark sanford, father of four boys. he's mark sanford

fiscal conservative, but that's the distinction between being the character actor and being the person there's method acting involved in politics and there's a character they build that's real to them, but it's not real. it's not real. each one of these political figures, they're playing a character and sooner or later the fourth wall breaks class president would be slogan wow, working on campaign posters. >> have yet boat from madison because she's so cool and has the best snacks that her house. >> so my experience as a political reporter, the best campaign slogans are short and memorable like this well, that's definitely memorable and living longer, or do things i want from my metastatic

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congressman sanford is halting the delivery of ice to his congressional office why do we need like can we just walk down three floors and get her calf terror cell? you can't just talk about it. i mean, you have to have actions in your own office that reflect that sanford when he got elected, i could tell you exactly when i'm met and we had a reception december 7, 1994. >> he had just been elected to that. >> she has been elected to the house and we had a good conversation. the one thing that he and i share there was a common philosophy about the world. >> you were just they taken with. this could be a really good leader. you believe in them that i believed in the issues he believed it really disliked gets into my mom and it's like really i really didn't think it was capable of doing anything slimy, not mark it's too afraid of jenni and he's, you know, all of these like what they like college sweethearts, they've been together for 20 years. they had four beautiful kids. she was such an integral part of his professional and personal lives. they seemed great to me

that 20 year journey together from congress to the governor's office when you're partnered with someone like that and your your full debt relationships forged in steel under fire they're solid as a rock you know that when you find a good one, you got to help and you found a good one. >> and mark sanford. but more importantly, the mob, jenny sanford on the greats future first lady at the state of south carolina jimmy sadler was invaluable to mark sanford rise. >> she was a smart, skillful woman, a georgetown educated wall street vice president. i don't think that mark sanford would have had a political career at all if it were not for jenny sanford help, it's not my lover. i'm not driven to run campaigns, but, but we worked well together jenny sanford had been a right-hand woman throughout all of mark sanford political career she

managed his congressional campaigns and she also managed his first campaign as governor, something that she has said since you really tried to get out of doing because she had forced sons, all of whom were still have school age. but she was free labor and it was somebody that he really wouldn't have to hire on on behalf of the people of the state. i wish you godspeed made a great team. but it turned out there were some elements of the sanford union. very few people knew about or even suspected right before we were getting married when he said, you know, you know, there's your priest gives you a menu of different vowels and he says, well, you know, i, with all due respect, i'd rather not use a vow that uses the word faithful in it. and i said we've got to be kidding me. and there's no question. i have my own doubts about mark, but fidelity was the last thing i was worried about. >> but jenny brush the red flags aside, been with her health marks political brand grew until it seemed

unstoppable. he entered the governor's office as a sort of folk hero to south carolina voters. saltine cracker of a man on a single-minded crusade to save taxpayer chris mike when you have a five billion-dollar budget that's essentially a billion-dollars out of out of balance. >> changes needed. >> but when he actually got to work at the state house, sanford found his passion for cutting budgets had also made him some enemies mark sanford he's a republican. >> the legislature for years has been controlled by republicans, so they're all in the same party and extensively from the outside, you would think oh, okay. well, these guys are all going to get together and get a lot of things done that's not really what happened when mark sanford was in the governor's mansion. >> instead, mark sanford lean further into character and started slashing his fellow republicans budgets with a vengeance. >> may one-year, he retired the entire budget i mean, just spent the entire budget that we never got to a budget cycle where there weren't dozens of budget details.

>> there was no democrat versus republican. it was, you know, us versus mark sanford. so he would send hundreds of vetoes back and we would just get together and all override him because it was more during one particularly volatile session in 2004, sanford kept vetoing budgets and the legislature overrode 100 five of those vetoes in 90 minutes. >> this is a republican lunch as a republican legislature and that's, i mean, that's how bad this was. >> and how did that go over >> there's just like this epic freak out of the press office in everybody is franticly on the phone dialing and they they look up, say get on the phone, find some pigs. i'm like, what? get? on the phone, find pigs. martin needs to biggs. he's going to take him upstairs and do a press conference. i'm like, okay i dislike google and where to find pigs. columbia, south carolina. i'm like you have no idea, right? >> they drove back election than county, which is a rural area outside columbia. and i'm

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the tv cameras and such? >> no. no, we didn't tell anybody and telling when just walked up with the pace no one's aware of what we're doing. and we just start telling everyone in the lobby that the governor's got pigs. so it just creates this mass of people and all the reporters just go in san set up voters across south carolina tuned in, is there a manila envelope governors seem to reveal the one issue that could stir him to reckless passion protesting his fellow republicans bloated pork filled budget with actual pork gasoline she lost yesterday. >> and pork one pork one and taxpayers lost in a mark, had one under each arm and was maybe squeezing them a little too tight. and so there was a trail of pig excrement as he went up the stairs, he gets it down his pants and on his shoe he was an honest code. our boy which for a guy wounds one coat, or the house majority whip is yelling at me that we have to clean this mess up. i went up there with the with the spray and then rags a little bit elbow grease cleanup pig.

do you that day? >> and then be let the page go run free. and so the pigs ran free in the lobby and ran into the house annual room chamber and of course, all the lobbyists were around there. the press was there and sure enough, it was a lead story on all three local television stations. and it was a huge hit in the public. >> was it an effective punch in the face? it was good timing because we had a primary just coming up a week later and one of the republicans who who ended up losing their seat was the house majority leader and he said point blank, that his polling numbers flip completely because of that pig episodes. >> so we had a number of incumbent republicans who ended up losing the challengers they started taking seeing him a lot more seriously. it worked. yeah, it was very effective but at the same time, mark sanford was becoming a political rock star for letting pigs loose on the capitol floor. >> a chance encounter was about to make a complete mess of his personal life in 2001, sanford

had taken a guy's trip to oregon and they're at an outdoor dancy matt and instantly connected first as friends with a woman who saw the man behind the brand. argentinian journalist maria belen chapo. >> she was a very likable person and for a guy like mark sanford who's surrounded by people who are basically beating the out of him every day over in the senate when you get this oasis of compassion it can be appealing and she's an attractive woman. she's age-appropriate. that's the whole nine and all of a sudden he's in love he's got this email exchange with this woman. he prints these letters out and puts them in a file cabinet in his office at the mansion his letters to his mistress and the ones from her. and they're going to file this dumb printed them out and put them in a folder, and then filed

just so weird to me because all these politicians who worked so hard, right? >> and they throw it away for sex. and it's just always so crazy to me as somebody who covers politics it's so common and it's so dumb. and i just, i never truly understand it the thing about a political figure that you've got to keep in mind? >> number one is compartmentalization. their ability to isolate each segment of their world as though it didn't exist. they have to be able to do that if you meet jenny sanford and you meet berlin, their poor opposite peep, all of a sudden berlin found the whole to get into the gap in his life and filled it but then he compartmentalizes and he says method actor. so he goes back to being mark sanford actor, governor without ever

letting on they haven't an affair to maintain his office and reputation. sanford had to hide his love for maria and continue to pretend to only long for balanced budgets do as a 90 top pork and barrel with a bigger stunts that would catapult him from south carolina local legend to the national spotlight. >> south carolina's republican governor has become the nation's first to reject some of the economic stimulus money south carolina was still reeling from the 2008 recession when sanford was offered relief funds from president obama's economic stimulus plan if we spend all this money, we end up $700 million in the hole 24 months from now. >> and the question is, then what people started legitimately talking about him as a presidential contender to challenge obama in 2012, i was a white house reporter at the time. that's how it looked from where i was sitting. who sanford is emerging? to challenge obama. >> and it sounds like that's what you guys were thinking

too. right? next thing you know, we've got the tea party and sanford is the man he had become a darling for fiscal conservatives. >> i met people who had moved to south carolina, just kind of quietly to begin forming what was going to be potentially a national level bid for him. >> if mark sanford is a stock like in spring of 2009, your buy it, right anybody who knows anything about politics or about republican politics? sigue you're buying mark sanford stock in spring of 2009 2000 was when everything started to fall apart because the governor disappeared it, was honestly one of the most bizarre things i have covered in 20 years of journalism. >> he left, he was gone from the state and didn't leave anybody else in charge. it seemed totally out of character, but his constituents

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