tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN October 21, 2024 10:00pm-11:00pm PDT
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there any strategy to trump calling harris bleep, vp a lewd description of the late golfer arnold palmer and a mcdonald's drive-thru photo-op, plus the breaking news republicans asking the attorney general to investigate elon musk and whether he's paying in four votes. >> and tonight an outfront exclusive, we're going to take you inside an elite drone unit the target russia. >> let's go outfront and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett on this monday outfront tonight, an unserious man, harris hitting three must-win states today with a closing argument all about trump in many, many ways, donald trump is an unserious man but the consequences of him being president of the united states are brutally serious there are things that he says that will be the subject of skits and laughter and jokes. >> but words have meaning
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coming from someone who aspires to stand behind the seal of the president of the united states at stake well, as she was saying that trump is campaigning in a state that he must win, right? she's, she's out in the blue wall. he's in north carolina. he must win that state playing defense, going back to the days of the apprentice, reality show >> yet the absolute appear to me of i won't say it. >> kamala you're fired. get the hell out >> well, he said he wouldn't say it, but actually hours before over the weekend, he was more than willing to say what he thinks she'll horrible person, but she's radical left and crazy. >> bernie is radical and this one, kamala, is further left
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than them so you have to tell kamala harris that you've had enough that you just can't take it anymore. we can't stand you or your vice president he said at a rally, so we chose to play it. so you could hear it because that's what he's saying. those words coming just after one of his top advisors, jason miller told cnn that trump was going to start offering his closing pitch in this campaign a closing pitch you just heard there then veered into this comment say that in all due respect to women, i love women is man was strong and tough and i refused to say it, but when he took showers with the other pros, they came out of there. they said, oh my god like that certainly don't hurt harris this case that trump is a quote, unserious man.
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>> but trump's crass words may be strategic, employing the tactic on friendly territory today in this podcast interview with the former professional wrestler mark calloway, known as the undertaker. that i'm doing your stupid show all right. >> aside from that sort of tone and the crass talk trump is taking a serious stand on the enemy from within. talk, listen to this i always say so. >> we have to enemies. >> we have the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within. and the enemy from within in my opinion, is more dangerous in china, russia, and all these countries, adam schiff to schiff, who's a total sleazebag egg is going to become a senator. but i call him the enemy from within so he's talking about congressman adam schiff, who is running for senate. >> now knowing how serious those comments are, some of trump's gop allies have been trying to wow, say he said something different what he's
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talking about is marauding gangs. >> it's my belief that what former president trump is talking about are the people that are coming over the border. that in fact are committing crimes he may be talking about that sometimes when he uses enemy from within, but in that case, you heard trump very clearly say he was talking about adam schiff and it's just not that time he made it very clear this weekend in another interview that he's talking about adam schiff lot of bad people. but when you look at shifty schiff and some of the others, yeah, they are to me the enemy from but then i think nancy pelosi is an enemy from within right. >> so it's very clear he didn't exclude marauding gangs once by accident, he said what he said any meant it and he said it again. jeff zeleny is outfront and royal oak, michigan to begin our coverage. and jeff, you are standing right now in a crucial suburb of what is obviously a crucial swing state. harris is on the
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trail with liz cheney at the attempt there is to reach out to moderate republicans. what is trump doing to keep those voters in the fold in michigan working must win them why aren't is a very loud train goes on behind me here what donald trump is trying to do, he's reaching out to not the republicans to vice president harris is reaching out to he is in fact trying to expand his base, trying to find trump voters who did not vote for him before they didn't vote before. here is why because vice president harris and liz cheney, of course, the former republican congresswoman, are traveling through pennsylvania here in michigan later on tonight and wisconsin trying to reach out to some of those suburban voters, some of those moderate republican voters who have had enough of donald trump. the question here is, what is that balance? are there? enough of those voters who are willing to vote for a democrat? and liz cheney had some very stark direct words to voters here, just a short time ago in michigan, she said your
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conscience, you don't ever have to tell anyone how you vote, trying to reach out to some of those republican voters here. but aaron, 15 days before election day when millions of voters have already cast their ballots, this campaign is coming down to a question of fear. donald trump is trying to make voters afraid he'd to vote for him. kamala harris is telling voters, don't be afraid to vote a gift on trump. it's a fascinating dynamic here. of course, the democratic base, also important. she has been consolidating that and building that together, but it is those voters in the middle of the harris campaign believes that their biggest opportunities in these battleground states are winning over some of those voters who were done with trump the question is, are there enough of them? are they willing to take that? leip donald trump for his part, has been campaigning all day in north carolina. but harris is focusing on fortifying that blue wall. >> all right. jeff zeleny. thank you very much. in michigan, everyone's here with me now. so jamal, let me start with you. you think when we
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look at what we've heard from trump over the past few days, it is assigned that his team his core team that is working to get him elected, even though i know there are cracks within that team of, you know, factions, but the group that they're concerned, why? >> it seems to me like something has changed in the milk, right? like they've figured out the perhaps they've got a really poked the bear get their people excited if he's going to be a bomb thrower, he has to keep throwing bigger and bigger bombs. so that people know that that is who he is at the same time, you saw lindsey graham on sunday come out and take out hard on republicans were voting for kamala harris and he said, you know, you can't do this. i don't understand why you're doing this. he was really worked up about it kind of emotional and then jd vance at the same time, goes after liz cheney hard and calls her, you know, it says that she's obsessed and hateful and petty and small, all kind words it would never use if i was trying to get a woman like me. he wanted he chose that he chose to use them so it seems to me like they're maybe this liz cheney, kamala
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harris tag team. they have going on might be working in some fashion. >> but what are you going to fight of it? so we saw in the gop primaries as many as 20% of voters turned out actively high-propensity today, voters to vote against donald trump and cast votes for nikki haley even after she dropped out, they still turned out in pennsylvania. if even a fraction of those even less than half of them end up deciding they'll bite the bullet and vote for kamala harris, a democrat for the first time. you're talking about significant margins in places that matter. and i just want to note that last week donald trump was asked on fox box in friends how he'd reach out to nikki haley voters, and he used the opportunity to insult nikki haley and talk about how he beat her so badly in the primary meanwhile, kamala harris is embracing liz cheney wholeheartedly. i think it's a strategy that works and he can't bring himself to be the bigger person. >> an interesting and we're talking, i mean that obviously impacts a whole group of voters, not just women voters. so i don't mean to imply that i am curious though, aaron, your view on what we've heard in these past few days, whether it be the arnold palmer or the jokingly calling the podcast host that was friendly territory, stupid, or the
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expletive vice president, could there be any sort of a strategy and trump doing all of this and speaking in this way of course, there could be a strategy and i'm sure the trump campaign is trying to put forward a strategy like jason miller said to for the president to put forward a closing argument. >> but instead, donald trump's going to do donald trump and that's going to be whatever thought comes out of his mind at the moment, it comes out of his mind and he's going to say it to the american people. it's very baked in though into the polling, the american people at this point kind of shrug off all the bombastic this because it's a never ending outrage cycle about him. but for democrats right now, if they want to win this thing, they need to start paying attention to their messaging because it's contrasting right now, but not versus trump. there saying he is an unserious person, but what he says is very serious swing voters are going to say that doesn't make sense to me. and they're also going to say his policies are an issue. but in states like wisconsin and pennsylvania, and michigan and ohio, where you have competitive senate races, you are seeing those candidates
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cold, tight to trump's policies and say, i supported these positions democrats have to find a closing argument so it's better than i'm not trump because they can't have it both ways with voters, it won't work. >> alyssa, what do you think about this point about the policy in the senate candidates that are tying themselves are saying, okay, you can call them unserious. you can say that how he speaks as unserious. but what he's actually saying in his policies are serious. >> well, there's no question that the biden administration was behind on addressing the border crisis. and there's this prevalent polin issue of inflation in the economy that are the top issues for voters. and kamala harris is trying to navigate her way out of them, put together a forward-looking economic agenda there was this associated press data that showed it may be breaking through, but i want to hit on one thing that aaron said, which i think is really well taken. it's baked in what donald trump is going to say. but there is some wisdom and strategy to him, just flooding don't with crazy talking about the silly arnold palmer story means we're not talking about him saying he'd use the american military against us citizens, which by the way, i was in the oval office when in front of mark milley and general esper, he mark milley
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and mark esper, you wanted to use the military against us citizens. this is a real thing that happened in his last term and you would absolutely do it. >> he wants different conversation. i mean, you mentioned the ap poll jamal, can i just ask you about that because this was, you know, we would talk about there were two areas. we're trump specifically significantly out pulled harris, and that was immigration and the economy. all right. allison mentioned this, so let's just go through the numbers ap poll harris now leading by double digits on who voters trust more on middle-class as taxes. and she's up five points on the issue of housing costs, which they have been doing a for tat. of frankly specific policy. one of the few areas whether it was realistic on either side is a separate point. she's within the margin of error now and the cost of groceries and gas. i mean, jamal, that's huge yeah, it is. >> now i say this from the poles or bad. i'm going to say from the poles of good, this is just one poll. but if this direction is, israel what we're seeing is commonly he is closing the gap on economic numbers that is very significant because she's moving toward donald trump in either tying him. i'm getting a little ahead.
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>> plus you add in abortion and you act i didn't democracy versus the key points, summer, her voters saying they want to vote on those issues. >> if that happens, you start to lose a path for donald trump on election day to get people to want to vote for him. what is the argument if they think kamala harris is as good as he is, i'm economy and we don't have to have foolishness on tv every night when our kids are in the kitchen while we're trying to make them so and it is different groups. i mean, aaron, you know, on the economy, trump's clearly noticing it, right? he had originally been the one who brought up the idea of not taxing tip income when he was trying to win over nevada voters. recent swings with swing-state polls. today, i'm sorry, show nevada tied a dead heat 48, 48, but he's been trying to reach out on economic issues when he thinks it can move the needle, he clearly sees a problem i just want to play this exchange today that he had about eliminating federal income taxes do you think is possible to find a way to eliminate federal taxes? but there is a way no tax on social security benefits for i see no
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tax on overtime we will make interest on car loans fully deductible. we will have no tax on tips okay. >> aaron, obviously those are big promises lot of people like what they hear on that it's all completely unreasonable to happen in a short timeframe, if ever. just that's the economic reality. some of them though could i mean, does does trump mean what he says here or is this now just i'm gonna give a laundry list of every single thing i can think of in this instance, there is a reality where some of these could definitely become law. the 2017 tax cuts and jobs act has a lot of provisions that are going to set sunset and expire in 2025 tax legislation is going to happen in the united states, and that can mean everything from income tax. sure. it can also mean the child tax credit could mean starting businesses. it can mean saving for your child's future. things that we saw in the 2017 bill that will sunset. so yes, there are
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economic provisions here that could actually become law kamala harris herself is obviously indicated that she supportive of the no tax on tips as well. so with the matter is what do you want the economic policy and tax policy to look like in the united states because both of these people will have a real opportunity to do that in 2025 they're not say here, voters have a good sniffer on them and they can smell bs some point they know you can't eat chocolate, not work out and i get fat right at some point you got to take the ap greater and at some point you got to get money into the government to pay for the things that we have. so if you're promising to take away all the taxes how are we going to pay for our government? >> well, i mean, they've alyssa, can i ask you one thing about what happened at mcdonald's? you had tim walz on the view today and i know you were talking about the mcdonald's view the gods visit. i'm sorry, at a fundraiser, he slammed trump's visit by saying he looked as dumb as i thought he would, which might not be the same crassus of trump but this is the discourse that we're hearing now. and he had an
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exchange with you about it, and i wanted to play it americans who feel like they're struggling? >> yeah. >> well, if they're saying they are they are. and i think for all of us have prices being out there. i think that's why vice president harris has made it very clear that that is a top priority vice president harris i grew up middle-class. we understand that she actually worked at a mcdonald's. she didn't go and pander and disrespect mcdonalds workers by standing there and you're red dye. take a picture his policies are the ones that undermine those very workers that were in that mcdonald's mcdonald's and who worked at a mcdonald's? that's and who didn't and you know, fries don't get touched. thank god does this move voters though? is anybody moving on this? >> listen, i'm fascinated by this. donald trump used to be the master of the otr. he'd show up somewhere. shaye canceled workers, but this was a pre-staged event where they had people who are supporters comes through. then he didn't have a policy proposal. he wasn't saying, oh, we're going to raise them minimum wage. so i think it fell flat unless you're somebody who's a main
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bro who's already with him and liked the picture of it, but i do think we're harris waltz are outperforming. biden is acknowledging that people are hurting. that's that was the struggle that biden had. is there was inflation is high, but listen, we feel that people are maybe getting better if people are truly hurting and we're here to show up relate to those issues are struggling with alright. >> alyssa jamal, aaron, thank you. all. next breaking news, republicans asking the attorney general to investigate elon musk for giving out $1 million a day to registered voters in swing states it musk breaking the law and georgia smashing early voting records with one-and-a-half million ballots cast. believe that's what nauert like 15% or so of voters it's incredible. stacey abrams, who knows the ground game in that state inside now is my guest. plus battleground pennsylvania ground zero for political ad wars. and the people who live there have had >> it's overwhelming
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$1 million to a registered voters voter in a swing state. now, the washington post obtained this letter sent today to garland calling for the investigation of musk, which says in part quote, we are aware of nothing like this in modern political history. i think it's safe to say there's nothing like that in modern political history but it is unclear if the justice department will investigate mosque. it does come though as he just announced latest contest winner moments ago and says he will continue to give out checks through election day. stephen richer is outfront now republican top election official in maricopa county, the largest county in arizona, who stood up, of course, to both trump and musk on election misinformation. but let me just start with steven, what this million dollars a day when they say it doesn't seem like there's anything like it in modern political history. there isn't but it does raise a lot of questions. >> i mean, i know you have some mixed feelings about this whole issue of handing out the money. how come how much was given out so far? well, i think it's only been a few days. okay. so $3 it's pretty remarkable, but he
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is a pretty remarkable individual where he charts his own path and seemingly everyone i'm sympathetic to the notion of getting more people to register to vote, like when taylor swift did it, it was exciting, but obviously, this is uncharted territory. >> it starts to look like this type of thing that you're attorneys would advise against. but he comes from a world in which you sort of shoot first and then ask questions later. and so i guess he's bringing that startup mentality to his new political interests, right? >> which now has very publicly and on that front, you have publicly taken on some of his claims that he has, you know, he sees something on twitter, any repost. it turns out, but it is in complete lacking nuanced or completely wrong, but he puts it out there as if it's real. so you've he's done that with voter rolls and arizona now, it's michigan he tweeted michigan is more registered voters and eligible citizens. question mark, is that true? community notes, which is people's way of being able to respond to tweets eventually, the secretary of state of michigan says, musk is quote, spreading dangerous disinformation. there are not more voters than citizens in michigan. there, 7.2 million
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registered voters and 7.9 million citizens of voting age okay. i don't want to get into the details of this. it's not your state let me show yeah. i mean is this just a case of people move out of states, people die, things happen all the time and it takes them a while, update the voter rolls. >> no, no, no. so people who die are canceled immediately and it should it should first be you said that jocelyn benson, the secretary of state. yes. and she's not doing anything unlawful. >> and if she were to be doing something that should be challenged in the courts of law, then you can file a lawsuit. but the idea that she's doing something that it's criminally liable it's dangerous rhetoric and cheese, unfortunately already felt the ramifications of that. >> but regarding the actual laws, i think a lot of people like elon musk are frustrated with the laws and particularly in this case, that somebody who has returned mail go undeliverable can be on the roles as inactive for four years and that's required by federal law. and so that might
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be frustrating to some people. >> that's federal law. federal law. so that doesn't mean that the process doesn't working, or that person that the roles are getting artificially inflated. that's just compliant with federal law. and those people do get moved off. and that's actually election officials complying with law and actually doing the work of voter list maintenance. >> and that is crucial. and also, i just want to say that again to emphasize that is federal law. it's not michigan law, right? we'll have to comply with both sets. that's a federal issue now, can i just ask you about something, though as part of this one, i've been looking into some of these allegations and confusion whether it's arizona, michigan, whenever the dmv keeps coming in because the dmv has been part of a great thing in america, which is you go into get a license and they tried to register you to vote but then you you end up with all kinds of complexities. obviously in arizona so can i just ask you, is the dmv process a weakness in some states maybe. >> i don't want to put the onus entirely upon them, but they are the repository of a lot of information. so when we go there, because that's what
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we do when we move to a new state, we update our netflix account and then we also go to the motor vehicle division and you may be in that order. >> yes. of course and that's often where your birth certificate is on file? >> that's often where you're addresses on file. and so states have cobbled together communication systems between voter registration databases and motor vehicle division databases. and unfortunately sometimes the needs are not 100% aligned and so sometimes those systems have a hard time talking to each other. but again, that's human error, and that's something that we could improve and fixed, but it's not conspiracy and fraud. an intent to deceive the crucial thing and it's something that has plagued us for 30 plus years, right? >> all right. so in arizona, republican senate candidate kari lake personally road voted early. now, she voted early despite saying sharing the prior trump view on early vote in 2022, which when she lost in the state governors race was of course, which is a terrible
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thing here. she is our constitution says election day doesn't say election season, election month and the longer you drag that out, the more fraught with there are okay. >> but she just voted early so we can call our hypocrite or you could say let's celebrate it more people are voting early and that would, how do you see it i think you should vote and whatever manner is convenient to you, i vote early. >> we have a long history of voting early in arizona. we've had it since 1992. arizona so republicans have to be experiencing dysphoria though, because in 2020 and in 2022, they were told that vote by mail is the devil, but now they're being told, please do that and show up early like she does. she vote showed up on the very first day of early voting. so it is it is. i think it's a political change in political strategy. >> right. all right. well, steven, it's great to see you and thank you. thank you. all right. and next, a new battleground state polls will show you what they show and our harry enten see something in what is a dead heat that may be
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error. although as you can see in all of them, i get it's a margin of error, so let's just say that, but trump is up by two or three points in all despite still being within the margin. and harry enten is outfront at the magic wall. i'm sorry, harris is up. sorry, i let you go. okay harris is up. i don't know why i was in it. here's up, which is crucial because i get it more, harry, that is all margin of error. but when you see that again and again and again across states, it does make you wonder if that's really what's going on in that context. a lot of panic among democrats right now but then you see those states that show her up within the margin of error. michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania. what does it all mean yeah, you know, it's one of these funny things depending on which week i get different friends from different sides of the aisle coming back to me one week as republicans where this week it was the democrats that were wearing. >> but then you look at polling like that and then we take a look at the race to 270, and i should point out the race to 270, the path to 200 270 for kamala harris is very clear right? now. you know, you talk about what's continent. let's turn that blue. all right, that
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gets harris to 236 electoral votes. how about michigan will give her blue there 251 electoral vote? how about pennsylvania? look at this to too 170 electoral votes if those washington post polls are in fact correct. and so she has a very clear path to 270 electoral votes. of course, erin, i don't just like looking at one poll i like to look at an aggregate of polling. so let's take a look at the recent aggregate of polls in these blue wall states. now, what do we see? we see very close contest that's actually closer than the washington jim post. paul's. but again, less than a point lead for harris in wisconsin, less than a point lead in michigan, less than a point lead in pennsylvania. but the bottom line is kamala harris, based upon these polling data, both from the washington post and in the averages, has a very clear path at this particular point, just based upon those states to 270 electoral votes. the bottom line is i don't understand the democratic panic right now because the path is clear. >> it's clear and just to make it very clear for people that would mean she doesn't need to win any of those other states you have there, which includes
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north carolina and nevada, arizona, georgia. i mean, that's that just to put an emphasis on it. but north carolina is a must win for trump in any package got early voting in north carolina that has started also in georgia, and it has shattered records and both places in georgia though, what is the number now? airy, more than 1.5 million. >> million. okay. i had seen somewhere that that was double double-digit percentage point, double-digit of who voted before could be 13% center. so already of the electorate, i mean those numbers are pretty stunning. so what are you looking for in georgia? >> yeah. what am i looking for in these states? i mean, look, i think we're going to have a very close race in georgia. look at this. we got to a point lead in the polls there for donald trump. well within the margin over less than a point in north carolina, two point lead for donald trump again, well within the margin of error in arizona, less it's an appointment for kamala harris in nevada so you know, even if we gave, you know, donald trump, say wisconsin, michigan, pennsylvania, you can still in fact a kamala harris to to 70 by giving north carolina, georgia, arizona, and nevada.
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so again, i don't understand this democratic panic, erin. >> all right. so you don't understand it and yet so you've been looking around for reasons since it doesn't seem to add up. yeah. and i know you have found something that has nothing to do with harris that may account for it? >> yeah angry if opposing candidate wins, harris voters 52% would be angry if donald trump won compared to just 42% of voters who would be angry at kamala harris. >> one, i think democrats feel like there's a lot more along the line in this election, and that's why they're panicked even though the polls at this point say kamala tape port for, right? >> all right. thank you very much, harry. let's go to stacey abrams now former georgia state representative and democratic candidate for governor. she hosts a new podcast, assembly required with stacey abrams and stacy. i'm so me ask you about what we're seeing in georgia harry was just talking about your state just passing already more than 1.5 million people have voted early in this election, breaking turnout records left and right yesterday, the most
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voting ever on a sunday and turnout keeps usually goes up as you get closer to election day. i mean, you could be looking at 25% or more of the entire state already voting before even election day. it is incredible does it, does it feel that way to you and do you have a sense on the ground of who is turning out? >> we are excited about the turnout. let's be clear about that however, we need to caveat that by recognizing that one of the reasons we are seeing so many people in-person standing in lines this early is because republicans constrained access to vote by mail, because in 2020, voters that they found inconvenient that brian kemp said he wasn't pleased he used with their participation. they made it harder for those voters to vote by mail. but the good thing is, despite the roadblocks that republicans put in place in 2021 with their sp2022 law they are changing lanes or you might not want us to vote by mail, but we're going to show up in person because we want our voices to be heard. so we're excited because we are seeing voters there's who showed up in 2020, vote by mail instead showing up
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in person because they refuse to be pushed out of this election. and we are very bullish about those numbers continuing to grow. >> all right, so eva mckend was there and she spoke to georgia pastor jamal, bryant after harris visited his church this weekend. she interviewed him. let me just play one exchange you said something is wrong with brothers who don't know how to support a sister? yeah and we'll stop massage. >> many are still real in our community. we've got to address it head on and not act like it doesn't exist. the reality is if black man had voted stacey abrams would be a governor okay i know this is a layered on in here, stacy, but do you agree black men who are not voting for harris and who didn't vote for you as the pastor sees it are massage honest he said massage one is still real in our community i
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would say number one, i know it's a shock to everyone but sexism remains real and very pertinent issue. but i want us to be really clear that kamala harris is doing very well with black men black men are the second strongest cohort of democratic voters. what we're seeing though, is that she is showing them due respect by actually speaking to their issues. and those issues differ from other cohorts. >> i'm not quite certain why there is this panic about black men voting. >> they vote fact, they vote more than their counterparts in any other community. for democrats. however, we do have to acknowledge that there is sexism. there is racism, there are challenges in our electorate, and that's why it's so important that commonly harris is going everywhere and talking to everyone. she respects voters. she meets them where they are, and she refuses to be told that she has lost a cohort lost the community simply because she's different. the best candidates
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recognize that you win by meeting people where they are and kamala harris is doing that every single day. and we'll keep doing it for the next 14 days until we get to election day and obviously, so many people are deeply concerned about election day and what happens after. >> and i want to ask you about some top democrats, stacey, who are not committing to certifying a trump win. if he wins, democratic congressman jamie raskin was asked by axios if he assumes a trump victory would be free, fair and honest? his response was, and i quote him, stacy, i definitely don't assume that democratic congressman jim mcgovern, ranking member of the house rules committee, told axios that democrats would certify a trump victory, quote, assuming everything goes the way we expect to you know, when trump was asked during the cnn debate if he'd accept the results of an election. he said, if it's fair and legal and good election absolutely. i mean, i could confuse that for what congressman mcgovern or raskin said do you assume that a trump victory if that's what we're looking at in a couple of
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weeks, would be free, fair and honest? >> that is the hope and that is the work. but not speaking for either congressman. i will say part of the concern that is being raised is, for example, what's happening in georgia. we have an unelected state election board that has taken it upon itself to change the rules of the game to sow chaos, to say that they can decertify the the elections if they choose that one person in a county can decide not to certify the election that a hand count, which could delay for days or weeks, the final tally. and so i think it's important that we recognize there's an intentional strategy of sowing chaos in this election. and that is something that we should all be concerned about. that said, we should all be working towards free and fair elections no matter who is showing up. and we do that by by making certain that every voter has the right to vote, the ability to vote, and that we count every vote that gets cast. do you think there is any similarity mean obviously during covid, a lot of the rules change. now, if there was a pandemic, but part
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of the reason that some people had concern and may it'd be a lack of confidence was because of all the rules changes. now there's more more rules changes. i mean, do you think that there is some similarity and why people now it appears maybe some who are on the left are having a lack of confidence i would not equate the two and i think that's a i appreciate the way you framed the question because we have a tendency towards false equivalence and using the same language to described very different things what we know happened in 2020 was that we were in the midst of a pandemic. >> and then in most states, people took advantage of existing laws that permitted them to vote by mail male because being in person was dangerous? yes. some changes were made for drop boxes, but these were not newfangled ideas. they had been in practice in other parts of the country, more parts of the country got to enjoy them and still want them. what we saw since then was a restriction on access to voting and an intentional strategy by the rnc let's sea to sow chaos in these elections. they have
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poll-watcher. there's a great story today in the washington post about poll watchers who intend to oversee. we've seen the criminalization by republicans of election workers. and so we cannot treat this year the same as we did 2020, because there have been intentional strategies adopted did to weaken not just confidence, but the infrastructure of elections however, we have extraordinary election workers who regardless of party believe in the patriotism of our system and that's why i'm putting my money. that's why i'm putting my hope and my faith. well, we do have extraordinary election workers, people doing it without pay and volunteering because they believe leaving the country. >> stacey abrams, thanks so much. i appreciate your time. next, everyone talking about the trump mcdonald's drive-thru photo op, but this was the scene in pennsylvania outside that restaurant just how ugly is it being in a battleground state and another russian oligarch with links to putin now just found dead after reportedly bowing out a window
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sick of it. >> i think it's overwhelming and all of a sudden it's nothing but like legal, illegal immigrants she's the borders are she's it's not the borders are and we're just trying to get into false spirit i mean, we know battleground states gets flooded with political ads in the homestretch of every presidential race. but this year, pennsylvania is getting hit more than any other since president biden dropped out of the race and vice president harris took over as the democratic nominee. the campaigns and outside groups have spent more than 350 million on ads in the keystone state. that's over $100 million more than the next battleground of michigan and voters in pennsylvania are set to see over 80 million more worth of campaign ads over the final two weeks of the race kmart, a father of three, this is one of the ads former president trump's campaign has spent the most done here in recent weeks. >> attacking harris over her past support of certain rights for transgender people, including detained immigrants and federal prisoners. >> kamala was the first to help
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pay for a prisoner's sex change the power that i had. >> i used it in a way that was about pushing forward the movement, frankly on the agenda, kamala's agenda is they them trump supporter drew nielsen thought the ad was effective it's inflammatory, but i think the majority of people aren't affected by that. all they're hearing is she's just wasting tax dollars, but not all republicans. we spoke with life diaz. do you think that ad focused on this? trans issue that that is effective to persuade voters here no, because of the site issue. >> and it's not what most people care about. >> republican alfred hagan said language in ads like this, make it impossible for him to vote for trump. >> is that really the biggest issue confronting and market today? climate change issues, we've got hurricane issues, we've got relieved issues. these are fundamentally difficult, challenging questions. it should be dealt with on the federal level. that's cool and it's just not bucks county mom, meghan vinnie said all of the ads have been hard to watch, especially when her young children ask questions. you want to explain what's going on, who's
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running for presidency but you don't really want to feel like you have to explain what rape is and incest and all these things that they're putting out there saying all these names it of ads against me. >> this is one of the ads the harris campaign has spent the most on here in recent weeks. finney finds this one appealing. >> look, everyone is tired of the petty destructive power let's turn the page chart a new way forward. >> that's positive, that's to me what it should be about. it shouldn't be about all those other things that or negative. do you think messages like these can help sway voters i think some people are just, you already, predetermined. they're going to 30 vote trump or they're going to vote harris. i think those people that are not decided, i think if you compare the two to add side-by-side, do you want kind of crazy hateful speech or do you want something that's much more hopeful? and how do we work together as people? to
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>> yet another russian oligarch with ties to putin found dead in moscow. mikhail gorbachev fell out of a window. according to state media, his death coming, as cnn has exclusive access to a top secret drone own unit from ukraine. fred pleitgen has the story you'll see about what they're doing in russia. first, outfront southwestern russia sewing panic among residents frantically trying to take them down before they slam into their target carried out in late september by ukraine's defense intelligence agency, the gur and they granted cnn unprecedented access to the entire mission. their target, a
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russian ammo depot, the ukrainian say is storing missiles supplied to moscow by iran. even though tehran denies giving russia ballistic missiles all of these missions have to move extremely quickly. they have to be very precise because obviously, if they get discovered by the russians, the russians want nothing more than to kill everybody around here he's done 20 years badly outgunned as the ukrainians, even strategic airstrikes become hit and run operations the launch location totally secret. the mission run in near complete darkness. we can only identify the unit commander by his call callsign vector how fast you guys have to be able to do all this now, all right, hold the drill being 2040 minutes. okay. tell me how much the russians want to kill you? >> so you want very much because we are as one major goal was this year us, we should and house blue thousand kilometers curious moves who were inside their country. and they're afraid that after installing the warheads and
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punching in the flight path, they push the drones to the takeoff area. the pilot's going through final checks then they get to go most difficult and most sensitive parts of emission. >> they have to follow the uav very fast of their cars to make sure it gets into the air. all right the drones disappear quickly into the night sky of long-range missions into russia. >> they y say including this september attack on an ammo depot between moscow and st. petersburg, causing massive explosions visible for miles the ukrainians believe they hit hundreds of missiles and explosives operational security is extremely important for this team. so we're on our way to the next secret law. occasion right now. they remain on the move. >> almost all the time right now, we're going to a place where they're going to do the
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detailed planning for the flight paths. >> and we'll, we'll see the actual drones the weapons depot is about 400 miles from the ukrainian border in the south western russian village of kotluban. a major problem, a mesh of powerful russian air defenses guarding the area how good are the russian air defenses and how difficult is it too overwhelm the loose when he moved to his pursuit last year it's really good to maybe person because we are successful guys and we find the windows in this in this term these are the actual strike drones, the ukrainian made antonov an 19 six named louis, ukrainian for fierceness or rage they carry up to 500 pound warheads and fly around 1,300 miles and they fit into the back of these non-descript trailers, for covert deployment
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the ukrainian say they get good results with the lutea drones. >> but what they really need is permission from the u.s. and its allies to use western supplied longer distance weapons so far, the u.s is not allowing ukraine to fire american supplied weapons deep into russia as russia has escalated its own aerial attacks against ukrainian cities and infrastructure using heavy guided glide bombs, cruise missiles designed to take out whole aircraft carrier strike groups and nuclear capable strategic bombers all the ukrainians have, are their little drones launching them in swarms to even have a chance to penetrate russia's air defenses they blast the ukrainian folksong, hey, falcons as the gur's own birds take to the skies back at base, it's crunch time russian social media starts exploding with reports of an attack on the kotluban weapo
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