before their car job today before we go, kamala harris is asked about stress you know everybody i talked to says i have to turn off the news. i can't read anything. i'm meditating, i'm doing yoga i'm doing i'm so anxious. i just don't even know i'm eating gummies, all kinds of things, you know what are you doing? what are you doing? >> had eating gummy vice president said that instead she works out and talks to her family every day, which i guess we all could use a little bit up. >> thank you for watching newsnight state of the race. laura coates live starts right now harris and liz cheney and search of swing-state republicans looking to bail on trump, the former president making free appearances in north carolina is still spreading falsehoods about

hurricane relief the weekend that saw him marvel out loud, it would legendary golfer arnold palmer was carrying on the course and later, john king all over the map talking to michigan auto workers key voters in a crucial state, just 15 days from now. >> good evening. thanks very much for joining us with the election. two weeks from tomorrow. it doesn't take political scientists to know which places matter most in the eyes of two campaigns, just look at the live shots from the harris event just about to get underway in wisconsin. and the trump's speech in north carolina locations speak volumes three stops in north carolina for the former president today, vice president harris, the appearances in pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, the so-called blue wall states. vice president campaigning today with former republican congresswoman liz cheney i know that the most conservative of all, conservative principles is being faithful to the constitution. and you have to choose in this race between someone who has been faithful to the constitution, who will be faithful and donald trump

that was this morning and malvern, pennsylvania outside of philadelphia, outside detroit. >> she said this to harris, curious republicans i would just remind people if you're at all concerned, you can vote your conscience and not ever have to say a word to anybody. the kennedy meantime, call for a boost in the federal minimum wage the current federal minimum wage is $7.25 an hour which means that the person who was working a full day and working full weeks will make $15,000 a year, which is essentially poverty wages. >> i absolutely believe we must raise minimum wage the foreign president was asked about doing just that at a photo-op at a pennsylvania mcdonalds over the weekend. he did not answer. he did, however, say this about golfer and local legend arnold palmer at a rally in his western pennsylvania hometown on saturday and i say that in all due

respect to women, i love women. but this guy this guy this is a guy that was all man is, man was strong and tough. and i refused to say it. but when he took showers with the other pros they came out of there. they said, oh my god that's unbelievable well a phrase drew the attention of palmer's daughters, peg, who told the associated press that she wasn't upset, but that it was in her words, a poor choice of approaches to remembering my father. >> but what are you going to do at the same event, he also said this about his opponent so you have to tell kamala harris that you've had enough that you just can't take it anymore we can't stand you or your vice president the worst the worst vice president? kamala, you're

fired, get the hell out of here, fired. get out of here kamala he also doubled down over the weekend on calling his political opponents in this case, congress members adam schiff and nancy pelosi, quote the enemy from within. and today renewed his call to invoke a law against migrant criminals that was last used during the second world war i will invoke the alien enemies act of 18 know of 17, 98 think of that 17, 98. that's when we had real politicians had said when i get to play games, we have to go back to 17, 98 also today, while surveying the hurricane destruction in western north carolina, he repeatedly he repeated a debunked lie that he's been repeatedly telling, namely that female relief money is being diverted to migrants has gone and they don't have any money. >> they have to have they have

to have a meeting in washington, a special meeting in washington to get money. it's all done. they've spent it on illegal migrants. >> well, now the individual you saw standing next to him, as he said, that as republican congressman chuck edwards, he has a whole webpage on his congressional site. just for debunking hurricane response myths and outright lies, including the one the former president told today in front of him. joining us tonight, washington post, white house bureau chief, tolu. all rooney tolu olorunnipa, republican media consultants strategist brad todd, also cnn political commentators ashley allison and former republican congressman adam kinzinger, who now supports the vice president tolu. i practice that so many times and i still missed it up so there are seven so-called swing states. what? most important ones right now? well, clearly pennsylvania is a key state where both of these candidates are going to be spending a lot of time over the next two weeks, but the entire blue wall is incredibly important for kamalaharris. >> that's why she was in all three blue wall states today michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania, she knows that if she wins those three states and

the second district in nebraska, she is going to be the next president and so she's going to be spending a lot of time there. but for trump, he's going to be playing a little bit of defense. he realizes that he needs to win north carolina again, he needs to win georgia, which he lost the last time, and he needs to pick off pennsylvania. and so he's going to be spending a lot of time in that eastern flank, which is sort of an eastern wall that republicans have put together saying that if he can win pennsylvania and georgia pennsylvania, north carolina, that he'll be the next president and that's why you're going to spend see a lot of those, those candidates spending a lot of their time in those states over the next two weeks i just want to put on the screen a couple of headlines after trump's saturday rally. >> just going to read to trump kicks off a pennsylvania rabbi talking about arnold palmer's genitalia, trump fixates on arnold palmer as all man and showers during pro fain rally i mean, given the amount the time we're in, is that are those the headlines the campaign wants out there this weekend? >> no, i think it doesn't serve him to generate headlines like that. he ought to be talking about kamala harris is liberal position. she took when she ran for president the first time. the fact that she

doesn't disagree with anything, the biden administration has done, which most voters in the country i agree with. but rally political rallies, or a time when you see a lot outland his speech last thursday, we had a heckler who came into one of vice president harris's rallies in domain. did she say that is this real committing genocide? and she said, i hear, i hear what he's saying. i respect what he's saying there. it's real it's real. we're not talking about that, but rallies, a lot of times the speaker's get cared the way with a moment they tried to amuse themselves and a appease the crowd. both these candidates are doing that ashley, what are the challenges of running a campaign against someone who's the off-the-cuff speaking style it's certainly works in the crowd there and is it something she should respond to? >> i mean, it gets a lot of attention? >> well ok let's first donald trump's off the case. >> it looked like he was actually reading the teleprompter. so if some of the things he was actually saying his team row and he was staying on script even though it was the lout, some of the wildest things that we've heard probably in a presidential election and then he goes off script and it just when you think he can't get too bad, it goes into another dimension

where we're talking i mean about another man's genitalia for whatever reason, i'm not sure. i'm not sure. that's what's going to convince pennsylvania swing voters, but maybe you have some data. i don't know. >> there's a joke in there somewhere there, but sadly, but i think the vice president, she has been coming off the cuff a little bit as well, and i think she is finding her stride in it being able to have quick comebacks telling people you're in the wrong rally, you need to go to the smaller rally that's there was someone said jesus is a misinterpreted, but i think those quick comebacks are landing well with her and i think but for donald trump he can say what it sad. he can say whatever he wants, and people just accept that they expect him to be crass. they expect him to be locker room talk, but the one thing i just want to point out is that if he wins remember when he won last time he still wasn't satisfied. he's still didn't stop going after people saying that the election wasn't corrupt and whatnot. so if he wins this time and we're seeing this

version just imagine what the next four years are going to be. >> congressman, do you think the so-called permission structure that you, liz cheney, other high profile conservatives are trying to kind of build for defective republicans to vote for kamala harris. do you think it's working? because obviously the polls could not be closer yeah. >> i mean, i do because look, if you're a pollster, it's all kind of an arts or science, i guess whatever. >> and you're trying to figure out what is democratic turnout going to be, what's republican turnout? and all you're kind of turning these knobs, you try to figure it out. so i don't think you can really get much of a understanding of what percent of republicans are going to vote for, vote for harris. look, if i think it was like 8% that biden got, if harris gets nine or 10% that's huge. so we're not talking a quarter of republicans, but i do think it's going to be significant. and by the way, to compare trump's off the cuff two kamala's off the cuff is just nonsense. it's absolute nonsense. trump is. he's an entertainer. he's trying to

entertain. he's trying to he's trying to win over men but those jokes and a certain portion of them think it's funny and that's all he's trying to do. but to compare him to kamala in seriousness is just a little outlandish. >> tolu. what do you think about the sort of the closing messages that we're hearing now from from these campaigns. i mean, obviously, harris is really leading to her claims and trumpism unstable, exhausted. he's leaning into claims. she's lacks and border security. never worked at mcdonald's according to him, for some reason, he seems to obsessed with that. and lying about fema stuff, they're going after different audiences in its final stage. they are trying to gin up support from their base, as well as trying to win for kamala harris is stance trying to win a number of women voters. you see her with liz cheney, you see her speaking with groups in the midwest that are very female dominated in part because they are trying to run up the numbers with women because trump is targeting men and his

final states, he's trying to run up the number with as the former congressman said men who find him funny, man who liked him being sort of edgy, men who liked the fact that he's talks about arnold palmer on the debate stage. and you never will hear another candidate speak like that. and so they are targeting different audiences. they are trying to have these different closing, closing messages normally in a campaign, you're focusing on undecided voters. it seems like right now they're all about turnout they're base of people who are already with him or who are going to be convinced to turn out because of what they're hearing in favor of years we're just from all three. >> i mean everybody who's interested in this campaign is looking every day at polls and all this stuff, brad, what do you look at in this closing? i mean, what are the things you look at every day to see who's up, who's day? >> well, fair. clearly, the harris campaign believes that their closing stride must be to try to peel some republicans and republican leaning independents off. that's why liz cheney's featured today i think she's missing a step though i watched her whole rally to our conversation liz cheney today and what is the county at americans stood up. she said, i'm a catholic, i'm

a conservative i'd, like to know why ai can be comfortable in voting for you and that was the moment where she needed to say, well, you know, i've learned i used to be more liberal than i am now, and i've learned some things i was wondering i was wrong about some things when i was a far out california liberal. instead, what she came up with, i'm gonna give you home health care and i don't think the vice president understands that if she wants to pull people but who are right of her, she has to explain why she's not left anymore. and that's a thing that's just missing. this is a vibe campaign and a vibe campaign only. and she can't do that for the next two weeks. >> i want to ask the same question. the others we're going to take a quick break. everybody's returning coming up next, john king with more on why the candidates are where they are right down to the county level and later the role that elon musk is playing for the former president, whether one particular idea of his legal this legal loophole to get 100 milligram generic viagra or 20 milligram generic sialic delivered to your door for just $0.87 in less than two minutes? let's do this first, scan the

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pentagon. >> and this is cnn >> you're looking there, vice president harris and brookfield, wisconsin outside of milwaukee. and crucially part of a county you'll be hearing much more about

especially as the votes come in. cnn's john king is at the magic wall right now, joins us with more the political geography of 2024. so what can you tell us about the county's vice president harris and liz cheney are focusing on today critical suburb. >> so they hope to find disaffected republicans. let's take a look. she's in wisconsin right now. as you noted, let's pop it up on the map and get it to come on out there we go a little tape delay. she's here to the west of milwaukee in waukesha county is where you see her but right now and you see how read this is right now. 60% for donald trump against joe biden. but these counties, the wow counties to 3123, right around milwaukee, are becoming more suburban as they become more suburban, they come more available for democrats. why are they there? let's look at the 2024 republican primaries. nikki haley got 14%, not a huge number, but 14% in the state its closest wisconsin, what you're hoping with liz cheney and these other republicans to say, hey, there's some protest votes out here. there are some people in the primary who didn't want to vote for donald trump can we get them in the general election? that's waukesha county where she is right now. now, let's move over. she was earlier today in michigan again, let's come out

of the republican primaries and come to 2020. she was here, she was in oakland county this it's used to be a republican suburb when i started doing this. now oakland county is democratic and mccomb county, to its east, which used to be democratic, more blue collar is republican. it's, you come here to oakland county and again, what are you looking for? you're looking for disaffected republicans. this is close to detroit as you move further up, you get more republican up here and again, let's look at the republican primary. please. nikki haley got 33, almost 34% of the vote here. so liz cheney, kamala harris, the vice president, know there are some republicans here who did nearly 50,000, who did not want to vote for donald trump, if the vice president can get 11,500 or more of those, she's in business and the first stop, anderson for the campaign, let me come back here and let's come back to 2020 again. was here in pennsylvania where down here southeast pennsylvania, chester county, one of the collar counties around philadelphia, more and more democratic but still look at this. joe biden guts it's 58% there, but go back to those republican primaries. nikki haley got 24% of the vote in this county and pennsylvania,

two months after she dropped out of the race. so again, are you going to get all 9,338 of those people? maybe not in a state as close as pennsylvania, michigan, and wisconsin, what they're doing here is to try to say, we know there are a bunch of republicans out there who do not want to vote for donald trump. trump can we win them over to our side? >> or somewhere the former president, he was on the trail in north carolina today, where did the counties where his campaign is hoping to maximize? >> this is really interesting if you look at this, we talked a lot about the battlegrounds. joe biden won, and how close they were this is a battleground that's virginia, that's popped down south. this is a battleground donald trump won. look 75,000 votes shy of 75,000 votes. >> look at 20:16. donald trump's margin was 173,000 plus in 2016, it was only 74,000 plus in 2020. so it's a state that is leaning, becoming more open to the democrats particular suburb. so where was the former president? he started out here in their asheville. number one, he's out here because this area it was hard hit by the hurricane. he's out here in part because he's lying about the federal response about the hurricane, but that's not the only reason

it looks 60% for joe biden in 2020. so you say, why has donald trump here? again, remember how close it was. every vote counts for donald trump, just like every vote counts as the vice president tries to get republicans, right? let's go back and look at those republican primaries again in bump cole, buncombe county 33% for nikki haley. so donald trump trying to shore up his own base there to he's not just trying to win over democrats who might be mad about the hurricane he's trying to shore up his own base. so let's come back and see where else he was. he was here just to the east of charlotte. this is mecklenburg county, the largest word were charlotte is cabrera's county here the charlotte motor speedway is right here, more than 100,000 people have moved to this county in the last 20 years. what does that mean? it's becoming more suburban. we're open to the democrats again, donald trump got 54% in 2020. but look at nikki haley in those republican primaries, 24%. so almost a quarter of republicans in this county. so we don't want donald trump. so he is there again to shore up his base and let's end it by coming back here. yes, this is the former president's last stop. was picked county out here in eastern north carolina.

joe biden won by almost ten points. you would say, why is donald trump here? again, you want to get every vote you can. he's trying to get people to switch over one last time to want to be a broken record. but nikki haley got 20% of the vote here in the republican primary this year. so as donald trump makes him stuff's kamala harris is looking for new votes. she's trying to get republicans to come over. donald trump is going to places where his own map says, we've got to touch base with the base to make sure we can get those haley voters to come home. >> all right. john king stick around back here with the panel ashley, you've been part of campaigns what did the teams on the ground need to do to execute the strategy of that john was talking about? >> well, right now, it's what 821 eastern standard time. and so it's dark outside. so canvassers are probably coming back from asa doors and they're turning in, they're walk pagans and they're saying i had 50 doors that i needed to knock. i talked to 20 and i convert it five to go vote. and so those goals, then people start entering their data and you really, that's why we always say ground game. some those people are paid, but a lot of those people are volunteers,

there are people that really believe in this candidate want to do either maybe for a senate race or the president or a city council they are locked in and so there's calling confirmed today, then follow up with those people with those people they say and then they go into the database and they say, did they turn in their ballot? because normally i'm most state's voter rolls get updated that you voted, didn't say who you voted for, but they say, okay, we converted this person too early voter and so we don't have to knock on that and door anymore. so that's money in the bank. >> so when you see all these early voters in georgia, in even in north carolina that's not really shows enthusiasm for either candidate, but it also, is a relief to poll workers or two people on the ground game because they don't have to deal with those people well, that's a complicated question because it depends on where those early votes are coming from, right? so you would think in a georgia, if the density of voters are coming from atlanta, that's most likely a democratic vote. so the higher that is, the better the harris

campaign is feeling. but if it's coming from a more rule area that donald trump is, you're like, oh, we got to make sure our folks are getting out. and the interesting thing is that republicans traditionally didn't want to do early, but i mean donald trump demonize rarely vote. so there is no indicator since covid, of which party is the early vote party. congressman, i want to play something else. the former president said today in north carolina they said millions and millions of ballots out there or know what the hell is happening. did you ever hear the expression that you vote counter is far more important than the candidate and unfortunately, we can't let that happen. >> we've got to take it back i mean, you obviously investigate the former president's lies about the previous election being rigged. what is your response to what he is saying? there yeah. >> i mean, look, he's this is what he does. he's he can never admit. i mean, he could lose literally every state and he'll never admit he lost that's what a narcissist does. they can't admit it. so he's laying

the groundwork not just for his ego, but to challenge the election and get the folks on his side to do what they did last time. and the thing that should frighten us a little bit as they were kind of building the plane, as they were going after the last election until january 6 now, they have a plan in place. what i worry about are these different statehouses in and what goes on when those certifications come forward? yeah. this is him, of course, laying the groundwork and this is important too, just on the early voting stuff, if you think about it any given day, like 1% of the country is sick, okay. so when there's a state where say million people vote, 1% of that's 10,000 votes. he figured a number of those folks won't go vote. if you on your side can start banking those votes early. that's a benefit as well. so kamala, by the way, has a much, much stronger, much stronger ground game than donald trump does. and i think that's going to work favorite in basically a tight election

to the foreign president's been spending all the time on sort of male centric podcasts, going for maybe voters who are citizens who may not have voted before or may not be so inclined to vote, do think it's working? >> also would definitely working with some male voters, specifically younger male voters. he's going to sort of the online bro, culture and really trying to present himself as this counter cultural figure, which is a little bit strange because he's a former president, but it does seem to be working with specific subgroups of voters. he's making inroads with black man, with hispanic men, with younger men of different demographic backgrounds and makes it very clear that he is trying nothing gets their attention like arnold palmer's genitalia he is trying to he just trying to show that he's not just an everyday politician, whether or not it works that remains to be seen but he's saying things that no politician has said before. >> he's making himself part of the online culture. he's showing that he respects that culture by showing up too popular streamers and podcasters, whether or not people actually turn out that remains to be seen, but it's a clear strategy of trying to run up the male vote because he's not doing very well with women. >> i think the word well, i think it's a different

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about two defy his union leadership, about to vote republican for president for the first time. about to vote for donald trump. >> at this point. now, i'm desperate so i'm wanting to try anything right now to make sure that i can fulfill my responsibility yes we'll take care of my wife and kids. that's all i care about knowles is a union auto worker, one of 1,100 just laid off. >> i stellantis, the parent company of chrysler jeep he blames corporate greed the most, but doesn't stop there. >> the second lane, i will put it on joe buy the democratic party. why? >> because of the eb mandates, i thought the democratic party was for the working class people that the average joe like me, that's what i thought. >> there are more american auto jobs now than at any point of the trump presidency. but auto workers supporting trump here echo his attacks on biden's

clean energy incentives and his claim illegal immigrants are to blame for lost jobs. >> would have you do it the wrong way. i think you should get rounded up and just don't know i don't problem with that because it jeopardizes my way of providing for my kids. if they take jobs, knowles waves off friends who called trump racist as he doesn't believe vice president harris is up to the job. >> and he spars with family members say he should stay a democrat that took it from a mile from my auntie cousins, my sister. >> they came at me they'll dolby is at 30 plus year union worker at ford and he has this side business cleaning car under bodies when we first visited four months ago, he was a fan of robert kennedy jr. now, he will cast his third ballot for trump rfk, joining trump effectively i couldn't script it any better the way i would like it to be, i love the idea of donald trump being the commander in chief. i love the idea of how donald trump handles the nefarious

characters in the world. >> go the a believes more than half of uaw members at his ford plant will vote trump he says harris laughs too much and he can't take for seriously. >> so what is it? you're the incumbent who wouldn't do anything different or are you the underdog that wants change and he says, critics take trump to literally, you know, he does it for effect. i don't believe that trump really believes someone's eating cats and dogs i don't believe that he's going to call the national guard out and at gunpoint round up every migrant and force them across door border. i don't believe that for a second count this early vote in wayne county for harris and count on you're in rincon as a democrat who long ago lost patience with ford co-workers to shrugged off trump's attacks on immigrants, on judges, on vote counts on critics. >> there's a lot of people that they just take the crazy with trump as it's baked in the cake. and we're just willing to ignore it, wears if we heard that out of our loved ones, we'd be like, okay, grandpa,

it's time to take your keys. >> rincon just retired from the wayne assembly plant and its helping the uae how are you register and turn out voters? she says her june bet that her local was split 50-50 in a trump-biden race is still about right with harris now atop the democratic ticket. but there's a little bit more enthusiasm among some of my female coworkers. >> couple of my male co-workers are pretty ambivalent about harris. we may have lost a tiny margin of support because sexism is a real thing. you know, they're just like, you know, i'm not sure she can do it. i don't think the country is ready for a female president, walter robinson junior says there's more energy since the switch to harris, but also more offensive chatter on the assembly line they have been saying some very disparaging things about the vice president, things about how she rose up through the ranks and some of the things that she might have done they only had to say that to me once before they understood that they can't safely say that to me again also, they parrot what

what he what he puts out there and trust he knows tata read the room before i told you is about either right now, i would probably say it's about 60 40. i believe that it is very good chance that we the harris ticket, we'll come out on the winning in time to knock on doors and lobby co-workers is running short. labor leaders are for harris, but the rank and file are split. michigan's blue collar battle, competitive to the end john king joins us again, hadn't union households break for clinton in 2016 and biden in 2020 when they ran against the former president. >> it's a very important number. i'll showed you in one second and i just want to set the table with this look, joe biden won michigan by 154,000 votes in 20 thank 20. he became president hillary clinton lost michigan and all the blue wall states in 2016, she lost michigan by 10,704 votes. so

every vote matters, right? so let's come back to 2020 and let's answer your question and let's bring this out. forgive me. i just want to stretch it out large. i turned my back for a second. nationally, clinton beat trump by nine points among union households in michigan by 13 points. so she won by 13 points, but it wasn't enough. she lost the state look at biden. he wanted michigan union households by almost twice that by plus 25 points over trump by 16 points nationally among union households. so what happened? hillary clinton won the popular vote, but she lost the presidency because she lost the blue wall states. joe biden, a bigger win in the popular vote, and he wins michigan, wisconsin, and pennsylvania because its share of the union vote was higher than hillary clinton almost double in battleground michigan, that's why when you look at this and you see where vice president harris's tonight? yes, she's with liz cheney trying to court republicans, guess what? a lot of those republicans are also ought worse. >> you've been talking to voters now for the all over the map series for months, the people in this piece seem pretty sure, very sure who's gonna get their votes. you getting the sense that undecided voters are starting to break in one direction or

another. >> all the data tells you they're not breaking sharply in one direction or another. i do thank from past experience, this is my tenth campaign. it does tend to break late, so that's michigan. you just saw there tomorrow morning. i'm getting on a train and i'm going back to the philadelphia suburbs where we have a haley voter group to see them as well. i'm of the view anderson that there are very few truly undecided voters right now. there are people who are leaning one way or the other, but who are anguished about it. republicans who don't want to vote for trump long time democrats who onshore the vice president up to the job. so you have this very narrow segment yet, and we have two weeks to track him down and try to get him to tell us what they're going to do. >> alright. john, look for to see what you find tomorrow. thanks very much. one quick reminder. i'm going to be moderating a cnn town hall with vice president harris this wednesday at 9:00 p.m. eastern from pennsylvania join us still ahead. the vice president in tonight and her outreach to moderate republicans >> i was still paying for it. play wi-fi until i finally check my credit card statement

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questions lie. >> anderson cooper for moderates, a cnn presidential town hall. kamala harris tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn brookfield, wisconsin outside milwaukee. >> the third stopping third day of the with former republican congresswoman liz cheney in surge of independent voters and moderate report public image three stops today, even on a topic is divisive as abortion. this is what they said i think there are many of us around the country who have been pro-life but who have watched what's going on in our states since the dobbs decision and have watched state legislatures put in place laws that are resulting in women not getting the care they need. >> and so i think this is not an issue that we're seen break down across party lines, but i think we're seeing people come together to say what has

happened to women when women are facing situations where they can't get the care they need, that's not sustainable for us. as a country. and it has to change former chief of staff for speaker kevin mccarthy, also john fabra, former speech writer for president obama. >> he co-host the podcast pod save america in his co-host are the authors of the new york times bestseller democracy or else how to save america and ten easy steps. so john, how big a deal is it for someone to socially conservative as liz cheney, to invoke reproductive rights as she urges voters to support kamala harris i think. it's a, huge deal. i mean, there's the harris-walz campaign believes that there is a big portion of undecided voters are at least persuadable voters, who are disproportionat ely women republican leaning women, either independence that or right leaning or republicans who you know, they don't like donald trump. they sort of already made up their mind about donald trump, but they're

not sold on kamala harris yet. and to hear someone like liz cheney say that the conservative thing to do is to pledge an oath to the constitution. and that's what kamala harris would do. and donald trump has violated his oath to the constitution and then to also say, hey, even if you're i don't agree with every issue, even if you're not for abortion. the republican party under donald trump has become extreme, even on the issue of abortion. she, you know, she also said there that ken paxton, who is the attorney general of texas, was actually suing so that he could get women's private medical records so he could see if they cross state lines to get an abortion and i think that's what liz cheney was referring to when she talked about how the party has just become extreme. so i think that gives she's creating a permission structure for republican women to feel okay about voting for kamala harris mikela gene, that's a convincing argument for some republicans who might not like donald trump that you can be against abortion and still vote for harris. >> i think the problem is it doesn't feel authentic it's been the problem all along, especially with vice president

harris. she ran so far to the left when she was running for president in 2019. and now this whipsaw to i'm moderate and i'm conservative isn't a moderate center left candidate. it isn't believable when she's unwilling to say that she's changed her position on anything and then to have conservative politician say it's okay. to not vote the way that you believe on abortion. it doesn't feel authentic for cheney who continuously four years was a very pro life candidate to now say that the rollback, the rollback of roe, which is something that conservatives fought for, for 50 years, has gone too far. doesn't feel authentic. i think that's a real problem with the campaign. >> john, do you think that donald trump has changed the expectation that people have? i mean, he's changed his position on pretty much everything over the years does flip flopping have the same negative connotation that it once did or does he sort of made it permissible is like talking about a permission structure. has he given a permission structure for everybody? just flip-flop i don't know whether he's done

that, but i think in terms of what mccabe was just saying about kamala harris, look, she's had four years as vice president where she and joe biden have done a lot to bring people together and they've reached across the aisle, the bipartisan infrastructure law, the chips act, the first gun safety legislation in 30 years so i think that she and she said this herself. >> she has learned over the last several years that what it's like to govern the whole country and to work across the aisle. and so i think that voters are going to give her credit that i think they already are. and i also think that there's so many republicans who believe that even on the issue of abortion, even pro-life republicans, that the party, especially in some of these states, has become way too extreme, has instituted bans with no exceptions in some cases, for rape, incest, or the life or health of the mother has put ivf at risk is potentially going to go after contraception. so i think there's a lot of pro-life republicans who don't want

this kind of future in the republican party or for the country mikela, there was some talk that the former president might do an event with nikki haley unclear whether that's really actually in his mind or whether he'd be willing to do that. >> but would that be a wise idea for him? >> i think in a race this close every vote matters. and attempt by the harris campaign to try to get to this elusive, undecided voter this close to the election is a really good move. the problem is what we're seeing by the numbers and by the polls is that that undecided voter cares about issues. they care about the economy, they care about the border, and they're not comfortable with how unstable things feel that things don't feel certain with crises in the middle east and crises overseas and wars in ukraine and war in israel, and inflation where it is the border where it is, they don't feel like things are stable and they care about issues and he's leading on issues where she is not john, it's been a while since you were person obama's chief speech writer though, you've said you helped a bit with the dnc speech of the summer. i'm wondering what you made of his

campaign appearances so far, specifically his message to black men, which some criticized has been kind of scolding well, i think look, i heard him over the weekend when he was in he was in las vegas and he talks about donald trump and said, look, if this was your, this is your grandpa you'd be calling up your relatives, asking him asking them all like what happened to them and when are we going to take away the keys? >> because do we really want donald trump, who's older and lunar to be in charge of the nuclear weapons it states. so i think he's having a lot of fun pocan hook in front of donald trump while also, you know, as kamala harris has said, donald trump is an unserious man, but there'll be a lot of serious consequences, which is i think the message that brock obama is trying to communicate. but also, you know, when i think when he was talking to he realizes that's kamala harris has to earn every vote. and then whether you're white, black, latino, man, woman, that you might have some reservations. and so i think baier talking to every group of

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hunt next >> elon musk, the world's richest man is no, and certainly for pushing the envelope and the tech world now he is taking that approach in politics over the weekend, he pledged to give away $1 million each day to one registered voter in a battleground state who signed a petition in support of the first and second amendments. that's where the legal questions come in. cnn, legal analyst elliot williams joins us shortly, but first our donie o'sullivan over the weekend, spent some time at one of the most pro trump rallies in pennsylvania elon musk is the smartest the end of the world. >> elon is a genius. this is a one time opportunity to see him. >> i'm a super star trek. when those rockets came down in light, you've got to be kidding.

>> i respect his opinion. i understand stay on the way. he thinks being an engineer, myself, i i can understand some of the quirky things that maybe other people take their own way. >> elon musk is holding this town hall happening here in harrisburg, trying to get the vote out for former president donald trump millions of dollars into getting trump elected did even offering cash prizes to registered voters in battleground states so every day between now and the election will be awarding $1 starting tonight. this experts say could be breaking election law i've been to a lot of trump rallies, but this has the feel of like harry comic con probably right. >> there's tons a young people which i was like surprise, i think it usually like there's a lot of people like me at a trump rally, you know, getting ready to drop over. these are elon musk's fans. >> he's so cool man. why not? right? i mean, he's just so inspiration or what at what an amazing guy. >> but i think he offers is

being able to use his platform to bring the truth to more people, people that may not otherwise even give a crap about politics with all the polarization that there is. now, i feel like it's really tough to yank somebody out of their camp everybody sees what the algorithms show. i think most of the people that are big elon musk fans are probably on the side of trump trump pumping all that already yeah. >> i voted for biden in 2020. >> i did want change i know when trump was in office that saw more money on my paycheck, i was definitely a bit of a trump hater, i guess, 2020. >> you are not a trump guy. >> i've known now now, i think i was more on down the middle, didn't really care about it. i felt everything is too crazy. i don't want to get involved in this is i guess is the most involved on again, i haven't gotten any other rallies and i probably won't but you haven't been ten years? >> political event. >> now on other than, you eat or this might be the very last election that's a real election at some of these town

halls, mosque has just been repeating election conspiracy theories statistically, there are some very strange things that happen that i'm begin to science i do it for living, so i'm here, see you on that's literally why i'm here. but not every musk superfan is a trump voter. don bacon is a pennsylvania state government employee. >> my po4 ilan is a lot of the way he likes to break conventions, working in government for as long i like to sometimes smashed silos and just break everything down and built everything back up again, but i had voted for trump in the past. i traditionally vote republican i'm don't think i'm going to vote for public in this time. >> you don't think musk is going to change your mind? >> meteor could strike me. it's possible don says, mosques debunked conspiracy theories are dangerous. i think probably ilan is problem is he's so down the rabbit hole what he isn't x now that it's really hard to know what's right and wrong i was always this question of like, say the dominion voting machines had one town hall and musk brought up dominion voting machines, a frequent subject of conspiracy theories arrive here. what we

should all do paper ballots, hand-counted. that's it. >> here's the funny thing. even with dominion, there's still paper trail. yeah so you could still hand recount that. >> i've been working for state for many years and i had my my father before me like obi-wan, kenobi, my father before me he worked for the state for many years, so i've i grew up as a kid and i know how to say it works. a lot of this back, so yeah, it's kinda sad when people like me who are considered like the quote, enemy within or the deep state where we're just doing our jobs donie o'sullivan, cnn, harrisburg, pennsylvania fascinating joining us now is former federal prosecutor, cnn legal analyst elie, is this cash offers this legal anderson. i feel like this was designed in a laboratory by a law professor to step right up to the line and probably over it. look, it's unlawful to make things more designed by some very smart tech guys who were whoever it was, but it stops right over the line. >> now, it's unlawful make a payment or expenditure to induce someone to vote or induce someone to register to vote. now what they're doing

is adding in this other thing of a petition about the second amendment, which blurry is it muddies that a little bit, but you have to be a registered voter to sign the petition nice to be registered voter to sign the petition. and if they simply just lifted the registered voter rule out of there, be perfectly fine because you just be asking people to sign the second amendment and first amendment petition. but what they're doing is in effect inducing people think about it. it's only happening in swing states. one of them expired at midnight the night of the pennsylvania registration deadline. voter registration deadline. you can't keep a straight face and say that the goal here is not to encourage people to vote a certain way. >> if, i mean, would it be likely to actually have a b prosecutor wrote wanted to send a cease and desist letter. or what they do is just simply opened an investigation and start requesting documents, start requesting formation, and you can probably in most cases, if this were a normal world, get the person to change the thing they're doing, or just stopped doing it now, this is not a normal world, so it's hard to know what effect that would have obviously

>> misinformation about the dominion voting system my social media, could he be opening himself up to litigation like fox? yes. we've been to this party before. dominion will sue you for defamation and you can lose fox lost $787 million saying things which are demonstrably not true and possibly not true. and that's the standard for defamation. if you say something that's not true, knows to be true and it hurt someone's reputation or business interests who can lose and even some of the places where he saying there were dominion voting machines that were not dominion voting. >> he's our allies anderson, there's sim, dominion voting machines. i did a 60 minutes piece on this there are paper ballots. it's there's paper ballots. >> they are literally paper ballots, so it's there is the law is quite clear on this and what the standard is, what you'd get in trouble for i don't know what to tell you. >> other than he's got two legal team that he's got a pay for the legal defense, legal to eat. i don't think it pays something. he actually can i think $700 million. >> but rather elliot williams, thanks so much. the news continues right here on cnn