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hadas, thank you very much and thanks so much to all of you as always for being with us. ac360 starts now former p president campaign tody for the latino vote, new reporting came out on the content he allegedly showed toward the family of a murdered mexican american soldier and their mexican heritage also his former chief of staff, retired general, general john kelly goes on the record detailing some of the stomach think things trump said to him about hitler. >> plus, if that weren't enough, all the rest of the news from the campaign now in its final two weeks, including former president obama appearing just moments from now in battleground michigan, being introduced by m&m, will show you some of his remarks live good evening. thanks for joining us. the new york times is just out with a new interview with former trump chief of staff general john kelly. the bottom line, according to the times quote, in his opinion, mr. trump met the definition of a fascist would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding the constitution or the concept of rule of law
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now comes hard on the heels of new reporting out today in the atlantic on the former president's alleged affinity for wished for generals who were like adolf hitler's generals and his alleged contempt for the family of slain mexican american soldier. first the new atlantic reporting jeffrey goldberg, atlantic's editor and chief. goldberg's pieces titled trump, i need the kind of generals they, hitler had but he leads it off with a story of an army private named vanessa guillen, who was bludgeoned to death bludgeoned to death by a fellow soldier at fort hood in april 2020. she was the child and mexican immigrants shortly after her body was found, the former president biden her family to the white house. where you offer them help with expenses and talk to reporters about it? as well funeral help, i'll help you financially i think military maybe taking care of it till july military that's good. >> if you need help, i'll help you okay. if they need
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something, we'll take care of will make sure she is very respected well, that was in the spring then at a white house meeting in december 2020 and goldberg new reporting on it, quoting again, at a certain point according to two people present at the meeting, trump asked, did they bill us for the funeral the family of four errantly. >> what did it? the cost, according to attendees and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant. an aide answered, yes, we received the bill, but funeral costs $60,000 trump became angry the article continues, it doesn't cause 60,000 bucks to bury an f and mexican he turned to his chief of staff, mark meadows and issued an order, don't pay it. goldberg continues later that day, he was still agitated. can you believe it? he said according to a witness, i think people trying to rip me off some of the people named in the reporting are pushing back tonight. mark meadows tweeting, quote, any suggestion that president trump disparaged ms gain or fused to pay for her funeral expenses is absolutely
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false. he was nothing but kind gracious and wanted to make sure that the military in the u.s. government did right by vanessa again and her family a trump campaign adviser tonight had this to say about the alleged i think mexican comment president donald trump never said that this is an outrageous lie from the atlantic two weeks before the election. now, the rest so the piece in it, goldberg detail showing admiration for germans and uniforms specifically generals more specifically nazi generals, honing again, i need the kind of generals that hitler had. trump said in a private conversation in the white house, according to two people who heard him say this quote, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders. now the campaign tonight says the former president never said that goldberg also then recounts a conversation he had this week with former chief of staff, john kelly, a retired marine corps general who was chief of staff in trump's white house, quote, he told me that when trump raised the subject of german generals, kelly you responded by asking, do you mean bismarck's generals? he went on, i mean, i knew he didn't know who bismarck was
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about the franco-prussian war. i said, do you mean the kaiser's generals? surely you can't mean hitler's generals. and he said, yeah, yeah, hitler's generals. just moments ago, the new york times posted clips from three new interviews with general kelly in it not specifically refer to jeffrey goldberg's new reporting, which was in the atlantic, but he confirms previous report that the former president had made admiring statements about adolf hitler. kelly also told the times, said in his opinion, trump met the definition of a fascist and would govern like a dictator if allowed. >> looking at the definition of fascism nationalist, political ideology movement characterized by a tutorial leader centralized on pi christie, militarism forcible suppression of our position belief a natural social hierarchy so certainly my experience those are the titan will work better in terms
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of running america joining us now is former maine republican senator william cohen, who served as defense secretary in the clinton administration. >> also, cnn political analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling secretary cohen. first of all, what is your reaction to this new reporting in the atlantic and also the times interview? >> well, you have to put it in the context of what the former presence was saying publicly he has indicated he'd like to be a dictator, a dictator on day one. he's indicated publicly in the past he would like to have my generals. he's indicated throughout the his administration he puts a premium on loyalty, not to the constitution, but to him. he believes not in the rule of law, but in the rule of order. order without accountability, without the rule of law so i think you put it in that context. this is not a new revelation, but it is continuation of who he is in character terms of his
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professed beliefs. and so i think we have to take mr. goldberg from the atlantic as i certainly support general on this in terms of what his comments are directly general kelly so what to wait for others to comment differently, but that's my impression. >> yeah, the ten general hertling i mean, in the atlantic piece, foreign president, according to jeffrey goldberg reporting, trump talked glowingly about the loyalty that hitler received, his generals and kelly confirmed as reportedly said, i need the kind of generals that hitler had now, kelly doing confirm that park. kelly confirmed that trump had talked to him about and that kelly had talked to him about out hitler's generals kelly went on to say that he had pointed out that some of hitler's generals tried to actually assassinate him. that apparently that didn't have much of an impact on trump. trump is getting pain, has denied any of this that he ever said that he wished some of his genitals were like hitler's generals. as someone who served 40 years in uniform. >> i mean what do you make of
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first of all the integrity of general kelly in terms of statements that he would make about what he heard directly and what do you make of the statements by then president trump allegedly? >> anderson just finished reading the new york times article interview with general kelly both of the articles reflect a pattern of things that we have seen over and over again with mr. trump, both when he was in office and when he is out of office. in fact, i would suggest that the golden blum article didn't cover everything the mentioned the comments about what mr. trump gave when he was president in 20 of pardoning war criminals on several occasions, on insulting various people. it didn't cover all the bases, so the article is staggering in its, in its length and what it mentioned. but it seemed to fit the pattern of things that we've seen mr. trump's say publicly
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in terms of the reason article, the one that was just published with general kelly john kelly and i served together in iraq we were both division commanders at the time. he was in the west and i was in the north. we conducted operations together. the integrity of general kelly is at the forefront in my view, i know him, i know him pretty well and the fact that he's commenting on these things, right now and really taking an extra step in saying yes, these are for all the things he said certainly to me are much more valuable than anything that anyone on the trump campaign would say to disavow these kind of actions, we know these things happen. we have seen trump's say these things. again, i go back to the fact that it kind of reinforces a pattern that we've all seen publicly with mr. trump secretary cohen that we've had trump acolytes, supporters on the program who have denigrated any of the generals who have
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come forward saying, oh, when they liked them, when they were in office, when they worked for him in the white house as soon as they leave, suddenly they're saying bad things about him, implying there they have some reason to be doing this. >> other than feeling there speaking honestly, your friends with general kelly. i understand why should people believe him? why why do you what do you make an him agreeing to come forward like this? and, you know, talking about trump meeting the definition of a fascist, which by the way, is backing up something that trump's top general, the chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milley, has said anderson, i think we first have to consider that the the code of honor in the military usually deters any former officer from speaking else, certainly while he's in active duty. >> but once retired, they do not want to tarnish the relationship between clean civilian life and the military,
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they are very, very reluctant to say anything of a critical nature. and that's why it makes this so unusual that general kelly's willing to go on the record. are there others who've been less willing, but nonetheless, i have talked to a number of four-stars. i have several forms storms in my own office. i know what was going on in the pentagon in terms of their relationship with the president and so for general kelly to speak out, he's saying, i am on i served with honor. i believe that it's important for me to speak out and now at this time when so much is at stake that we have person who has indicated that he has authoritarian instincts, passions, and dictatorship friends, that he might in fact become president united states and occupy that position commander in chief, we really can't afford that. we shouldn't want it in anyone out there listing off to listen to the people who have put their lives and limbs on the
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line, like general hertling, who served in the clinton administration. he didn't serve president clinton. he didn't serve me. he served the country of the united states. that's the pledge she took that pledge of allegiance not to the president to the country but that's really think the general taking, you know, it seems well hurling. >> i mean, that's one of the things that general kelly talked about in this landing particles sort of trump's surprise that the generals actually are not swearing an oath to the president that they are swearing an oath to support and defend the constitution. >> i want to play something else that kelly told the new york times if he was left to his own devices, would it be a dictator if you didn't have people around him oh, i think he would love to be i think you'd love to be just like he was in business. >> he could tell people to do things and they would do it and not really bother too much about whether what the legalities were, what it's
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remarkable. general hertling in any other time. if you had the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff the former chief of staff of the president, united states, coming forward both respected, highly decorated career military people who as secretary cohen was saying, you know follow a code of generally not speaking out in any other time. this at this occurred people would i mean, this in any other in the past, this would be a death knell to any candidness. see, it. i don't know that it'll have any impact whatsoever and it seems like everything is baked in. there's nothing that the foreign president can say that we'll turn off his supporters do you agree with me? do you agree with kelley? i mean, do you think this will have any kind of an impact i don't know anderson it hasn't certainly had an impact so far but one of
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the things i'd like to reinforce what secretory secretary cohen mentioned is the fact that trump doesn't understand the u.s military. >> he doesn't understand the dictates of our government in wanting to be a dictator in any country where there's a dictator, the military serves that dictator in the united states of the american way of war, the american way of the military is to swear the oath to the constitution, a piece of paper that represents ideas. there is no other military in the world that does that other military swear to defend the motherland are the fatherland or the king, or the queen we swear to defend a piece of paper which includes the rule of law. mr. trump obviously doesn't want that. he wants the military to swear loyalty to him and military individuals, those who wear the cloth of the country will not do that because they understand
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what our nation and our values are all about that's the key difference. but again, anderson, going back to your original question if we haven't seen it yet, i'm surprised because this is what former president trump has been doing all during the time he was in office and all during the time he's been campaigning for office. so if we haven't seen it shame on us so secretary cohen, general hertling. i appreciate your time joining us now is perine, who served as director of press communications for the trump 2020 campaign. ashley etienne, former communications director for vp harris republican strategist anna navarro, who's now supporting the vice president and cnn political commentator van jones ashley, what do you make of this latest reporting it seems like to me we've sort of lost sight of what makes donald trump so dangerous. >> so i'm glad these articles are coming back to light and really raising this issue. it's you know, it's not the
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antics the dancing, it's not the lewd comments about a golfer. it really is this this point that we're not so sure where donald trump allegiances are there primarily to himself and i believe the generals, both of them to your point, have said that he is a fascist to his core now only, fits a pattern, but it's what we saw with our own eyes. let's go back to when he was president and he actually stood in helsinki next to putin and sided with putin over us intelligence that he gave secrets to the russians in the oval office in the early days of the administration, that he made aid millions and millions, not just him, but his entire family off a foreign governments selling us interests. that is who donald trump is, and that is what makes him so dangerous. so i'm glad we're actually getting back to the very core of what makes donald trump unfit for this office. earn. >> i mean, as we pointed out, the trump campaign is denying the reporting the land tig
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denying that he said that about the family of the fallen soldier denying that they put out there the sister of vanessa, again has said that put, out a statement basically saying that they you still they're grateful for the support that president trump gave them. didn't actually directly talk about whether or not money trump paid money or not what, do you make of this reporting there is a lot of this reporting that you're seeing right now, not only the atlantic, but other outlets about donald trump and his behavior. >> and you've been seeing this reporting and his comments in the media every day, it gets covered breathlessly and it hasn't moved voters at this point. the likelihood that has an impact on the election it's unlikely glee at this point, but what it does lead to is the closing argument conversation that both campaigns are trying to have right now. and while if donald trump turns out all of his base supporters and kamala can't expand her map. she he's he's probably going to
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be able to win this election. but if her closing argument is trump's bad, she's clearly seeing even right now using that as an argument on tv, interviews in ads, it's not moving voters in the persuadable ones she needs. that is not going to be a winning closing argument for her that donald trump is bad because it hasn't persuaded the voters to her side yet. so the conversation is, as these stories continue to come out, is going to lead into the trump bad, but no future looking or what she's going to bring to the table or just end it there because it won't be enough to get her the election, then i want to play something else that general kelly told the new york times the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think is a very, very bad thing even to say it for political purposes, to get like i used very, very bad thing let alone actually doing it
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the foreign president's recent comments about using the military against the enemy from within in any kind of a new light? yeah, it does. and i think that there are people who are still trying to make up their mind about what to do. and i think tonight should be a very sobering moment for those people if kamala harris gets elected president, what is the worst thing that she's likely to do? you might not like her tax policy and in two years you can vote in a new congress and two years after that, you can vote a new president and get a different tax policy if donald trump gets elected and even some of these people are bitter, are mad, or exaggerate, or some of this stuff coming out not to be true if even half of what they're saying is true. what's the worst that could happen with donald trump? >> it is an unknowable, it is it is, it is beyond our ability to comprehend. >> and so if at this point you are at home and you're trying to figure out what should i do tonight? should give you real pause. the worst thing that
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come harris could do, maybe bad tax policy. we may not have a constitution by the time that someone like this is president with no guardrails, he didn't do a lot of bad stuff when he was in there before because we have people around him who wouldn't let him belts. people are all gone. you now have a supreme court that says he gets essentially lawless. you have lawless president with no regard for our constitution and people. the joint chiefs of staff the former chief of staff to the white house, are screaming and yelling, saying, my god, do not vote for this man. that should matter to people that night. you should matter if you will, the night. >> i mean, have you ever heard of an instance and modern american presidential history of the former chairman of the joint chiefs general, who was the chief of staff coming forward and revealing stuff like this well. >> general john kelly was the commander of southcom, which is based out of south florida. we were neighbors and coral gables he his wife, karen, i spent a
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lot of time socializing with them. i spent a lot of time with them just after they had lost their son, robert who died in afghanistan, serving in afghanistan to me hearing john talk about this right now, is chilling because it's an extraordinary step for john kelly to take 14 days before the election, trying to warn the american people, look, the gravitas that john kelly has the commitment to duty, the dedication to chain of command. this is not something he does lightly. john kelly has not written a book. he hasn't been out there giving paid speeches blasting trump. he hasn't been on tv or trying to become a tv commentator. john kelly has kept fairly quiet. this is a desperate measure, trying to warn the american people not to reelect this man because john kelly knows him up close. i have siro doubt that john kelly is telling the truth. john
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kelly does not lie. he served admirably an honorably for decades and decades. this is a man who we should listen to and look. if you are a staunch trump supporter, it won't matter to you, but to those republicans who say they have the greatest respect for the military, to those republicans who say they are for law and order. they better. he'd john kellys words and i hope that at least some of them take it seriously and if they are having a hard time marking that ballot for kamala harris, that this is something that helps them finally make that decision and let me also please talk about this stuff. about what he said about vanessa yen. if you don't believe that donald trump is capable of saying that $60,000. does it cost that much to bury a mexican then you haven't been listening to donald trump. you haven't been listening to the way he talked about judge curiel as just a
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mexican, you haven't been listening to the way he talked about mexicans as criminals and rapists. you have forgotten when he said that people like me come from shithole countries. this is true to form for donald trump, for those latinos out there who think that when he says racist offensive things, it doesn't apply to them you are wrong. and if you are a latino or an american with trump amnesia, this should help to cure you the erin, as you said, the trump campaign is denying these statements about vanessa guillen to ana's point anybody who has listened to donald trump, even those who support him, i mean, has heard the language that he has used. >> it is certainly not i mean, i don't know that there's anyone who would say there's no way he could have possibly ever said something like that. i mean, he's i mean i think you could throw anything out there in this day and age and say i wouldn't be surprised if donald trump said that, but that's not the that shouldn't be the qualifier here right
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now, these campaigns need to focus on their closing message. >> i know i said it before about whether or not it's going to be trump bad and that's going to be commas argument. but for trump right now, we continue to have breathless conversations about what but he's saying and not about the policy proposals. he is still owning the media conversation and kamala took today off, i can only assume to prep all day outside of her two interviews for your interview tomorrow with her, the town hall meeting, but all of that to say she is down on the campaign today and he is still owning the oxygen. there are still constant conversation and noise about donald trump military officials to come out and say this, that is big. i won't deny that. that is a big step for them to make, but that is still in the oxygen chamber that is getting sucked up by donald trump for it to move voters is so unlikely. >> i guess the question i, ashley is, i mean, is this certainly this is probably not the conversation that a trump campaign would want to be as part of the conversation, i mean, yes it is. he's owning the news cycle in this hour, but it's because it's because he allegedly said he wants
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generals like adolf hitler had said admiring things to his chief of staff, who went on the record saying that hitler did some good things these are not the kind of things i would assume a normal campaign in the closing days would would want obviously, it's baked in. i get all i think you're all your points are are absolutely accurate but it still if there are some people who are undecided, it's i guess the question is, for those undecided people, do we really want to spend the next four years every day with this kind of stuff? >> no, absolutely. i mean, this is not a new cycle that i would think donald trump would want, but let me get back to what aaron said and we're anna said the problem hello, i'm here is the republican party's refusal to be honest with the american people. in fact, there, there misleading, intentionally deceiving the american people. i ran the first impeachment war room where donald trump tried to shake down another come, another country to get dirt on
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joe biden. he violated his oath office. we had two senators republican senators, right? that came to the country with ukraine. >> ukraine. know you just, you >> it's important because it is a country now absolutely. >> i did. yeah the holdup which weapons to ukraine absolutely. >> they are now fighting a war yes. >> anderson i literally so luckily, but the point is they came to the impeachment war room and they told us day two of the trial, you're right. he did it, but we're not going to do anything about it. and then they go on tv and they lie to the american people. this is why it's not sticking is because the republican party refuses to be honest with them. where can people are perpetuating these lies about donald trump and the reality is, is donald trump has consistently put himself before the interests of the american people. and that should matter in that should be part of the closing argument. it doesn't have to come from kamala harris. it can come from the entire apparatus of the
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democratic party. this is what we're potentially going to give four for another four years. these unknowns about what donald, what donald trump is selling off in his own interests that are jeopardizing the security, the health of knowledge's our democracy, but of our nation. >> thanks everybody appreciate it when quick reminder going to be moderating a cnn. let's go over here. town hall with vice president harris tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. am, eastern live from pennsylvania. sen. bernie sanders is coming up with your eye back and struggle with cpac you should check out inspire now, mask, know-hows, jazz sleep, inspire, sleep apnea, innovation, learn more and view
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tonight at nine looking at the dark side of some of the enormous sums of money being raised. this election cycles specifically, our exclusive reporting uncovered dozens of elderly americans, including many suffering from dementia, being exploited by unsavory political fundraising tactics were talking about millions of dollars lost and for some their entire life savings groups
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representing both parties are involved. but the biggest beneficiary of the small-dollar donations from unwitting donors identified by cnn was donald trump. can lie. has that story? >> so you made more than 100 donations in one day my gosh, the benjamin family has had this conversation before. >> once the 81-year-old richard benjamin, just doesn't remember. >> so between these two months, it's over $60,000 richard benjamin has dementia when read went red ultimately, he gave away more than $80,000 in political donations, all going through a fundraising platform called when red republican campaigns rely on it to solicit donations, often using misleading ads through email and text messages like we tried to warn you, but you kept ignoring us president trump's
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personally tapped you. >> this is not a drill when we looked at his phone, his phone told the whole story because he would get dozens, dozens of text messages a day referring to him as a patriot and thank you for helping to save america. >> i wish dealing with president trump. and so it came up that when i, when they want to find out what i was doing that's what i put in. >> he really in his heart, believed that donald trump and donald trump junior and other politicians we're personally reaching out to him. >> he just didn't have the capacity to understand what it was that he was actually doing. >> benjamin's information was shared across dozens of republican campaigns just overwhelmed by deceptive messages, begging for money a result, his children say benjamin was duped into giving
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away his life savings. >> he had to get a home equity line of credit to pay this off, right? >> yeah. >> yeah. so depleted is saving and then we moved him over here to assisted living and then sold his house. >> you got to sell a house move him cell his car, and let's car. and this is all from $10 in $25 donations he had essentially put himself $50,000 in debt after he had given them his life savings. >> do these political campaigns bears some responsibility? >> they have very sophisticated operations. it's really outrageous. i mean, there's no other way to frame it. >> cnn's investigative team reviewed more than 1,000 public reports and complaints and bound deceptive political fundraising by republicans and democrats has victimized hundreds of elderly americans, misleading them into donating far more than they intended. and it adds up a sample of just
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52 elderly donors, many who suffer from dementia or cognitive decline, gave away more than 6 million of their life savings. the majority to donald trump and other republican candidates choose so careful with money. >> my mother, my mother used to count the pennies she basically trained all the accounts, everything, but $250 karen's mother's jolene, gabe, republicans, nearly $200,000. >> she died earlier this summer from stage four cancer amid cognitive decline we met karen at her mother's home in california. it's empty as she prepares it for the rental market. karen asked, we not use their last name, fearing retaliation. >> this is outrageous. it was like a total fraud. the bank was sending fraud alerts because of it because they were charged in her $3 $20, $15 as if somebody was hacking into your credit had a qard. what it
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was were in ret winred about was charging all these even the money her mother set aside for a funeral was gone paint this pit in my stomach. >> it makes me feel like throwing up thinking. that the last months of her life we're about her being swindled really is it's unconscionable what they've done as karen reviewed her mother's bank records on the text messages on her phone. >> it became clear how that money disappeared so quickly. >> just got another text it's endless. this is while we've been here, 9369, 9519539, 95595610 oh, won 100 for ten hours, 610 101010 10141016. >> i mean, it's every few minutes. >> every few minutes and what does this say may make this monthly recurring? donation. >> and it's checked already on
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my god, this is confusing look at this bright yellow, all these checks all these directions i don't even know how to make sense of this. >> the box is pre-checked meaning the campaign can automatically withdrawal recurring donations, monthly or even weekly we tried to reach winred by phone. >> your call has been forwarded to voicemail tech and email. >> all right 40 to 50. and then went to the address that win winred lists as its headquarters in virginia. >> hi, i'm kyung lah from cnn. >> could i speak with somebody from winred? >> they are not located in the building i'm site. >> when red list, this address officially with the state of virginia but they don't actually have anyone here. >> if you look at a donor as an endless pile of $25 contributions and not think about the reason they're
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contributing. that's a problem. >> matthew hurtt is a lifelong republican and the arlington, virginia gop chair a rare republican who does not use winred to fund raise. >> it shouldn't be complicated or nefarious or tricky, or scehme to have somebody make a contribution. >> why are you using the word scheme? >> any platform that tricks older donors into giving money unwittingly, seems like a scheme to me those cnn found nearly seven times more complaints from republican donors, families of democratic donors have also unwittingly given away their money. >> matt and dave, why spartz, mother in cognitive decline donated more than $200,000 to democratic campaigns through act blue it's theft, it's elder abuse there's no doubt about it. i talking publicly, they hope one thing might work to get actblue to return some of their mother's life savings shame. >> the right thing to do, the moral thing to do is to return
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that money to her you don't have to. it's not it's not illegal what they did, but it's morally wrong. >> thank kim joins us now. i mean, have any of the accused responded to the allegations? >> well, as he saw, all of our attempts to contact when read to no avail week kept following up and still they completely ignored our requests for comment we did hear from the trump campaign and that campaign says that they do notify donors before processing recurring donations and they do have staff on hand to help donors that they want to process any sort of cancellations as far as actblue, we did get a statement and that statement said that it has a surface team to help donors. and if they need refunds especially if there are signs of cognitive decline, they will try to assist them beyond their standard 90 day refund window. anderson is this legal given what we've laid out, you would think that there is some sort of remedy. so there are a few states that are trying to do this, try to find
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some legal remedy, but it is protected speech, political speech, as you know, anderson is protected. and so it's a very hi, constitutional barrier in order to prove any sort of fraud can lah, thanks so much coming up. >> i'm going to discuss the final two weeks, the presidential campaign was bernie sanders joins me live, including what the foreign president's one time chief of staff has now said in two new interviews about trump's apparent fascination with hitler, we'll be right back needs plop plop fizz. >> alka-seltzer plus cold and flu. >> wind speed is what you need. bounce back fast and alka-seltzer plus also try the new chewable fizzy, choose no water. >> if you're shopping for a home, you could rouse hundreds of listing to score a great deal or compare home values all at once. >> search in full call to find the cheapest house on this street. home search will never be the same again
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hidden was all about viewed the pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good? >> comms, communications director steven cheung, who just weighed in on the times interview, quoting him now john kelly has totally beclowned himself with these debunked stories. he has fabricated because he failed to serve his president well while working as chief of staff and currently suffering from a debilitating case of trump derangement syndrome. junk goes on quote, president trump has always honored service and sacrifice while our military, men and women, whereas kamala harris is completely disrespected, the families of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including the abbey-gate 13 in separate reporting by the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg today to sources say that then president trump wins privately said, quote, i need the kind of generals hitler had the trump campaign has denied those allegations as well. joined now by senator bernie sanders, who sits on the veterans affairs committee center. first of all, just your response to this atlantic article about general kelly is saying about the former president. have you ever seen a situation where you have former a highly respected
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marine general, former chief of staff coming forward saying something like this, just like general mark milley, former chief has chairman's chiefs of staff, right? >> look, what you have and i think it's important for republicans and conservatives on the sanders it's not just john kelly, his former chief of staff. it is mike pence, who what's his vice president for four years unprecedented to saying mike pence is not going to vote for donald trump it is dick cheney, one of the most conservative vice presidents in american history, and his daughter, liz cheney, not voting for donald trump. it is mitt romney for 2012 republican candidate for president, not voting for donald trump. why is that? it's not only just policy issues, it is the fact that they understand in contempt by temperament and character. this man is unfit to be president of the united states. he is a pathological liar for the first time in american history he tried to
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prevent a peaceful transfer of power and fomented an insurrection to try to deny the election results of 2020. so before you even get into policies like climate change or minimum wage or housing or anything else, health care i think it just a no brainer that donald trump should not be elected president of the united states general kelly confirms the new york times that trump calls service members who were injured or killed, quote, suckers and losers including applying this trump's to senator john mccain. >> you served with the late senator john mccain. i mean, do you believe john kelly >> i mean, i know john slightly and i knew i knew john mccain it fairly well. and john and i disagreed about everything but we were friends actually, and i would like them very much an honest straightforward guy who obviously served his country heroically, was a prisoner of war and deserves our deepest
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respect. and he is somebody who was disrespected by trump, i suspect because he cast became cast the deciding vote to protect the affordable care act but i think in trump, you have somebody who is power hungry who has very, very strong or authoritarian tendencies, who does not believe in democracy. and no matter what your views are, i don't care if you're a conservative progressive or whatever you may be this is not a guy. we should be supporting to be president of the united states what do you think vice president harris needs to do in this next 13 14 day period, writers is reporting that the harris campaign is in talks with the joe rogan podcast. >> you i know you got on that podcast. you go and speak a lot places i saw you recently on fox do you think she should go to the anderson cooper's show? >> i know you are even here. i
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appreciate it >> you know, trump is all over the place and i think it doesn't hurt. get out there. and so the questions but i think also an she's been making some progress in this area. i think she's got to be stronger on economic issues. it pains me very much as somebody who grew up in a working class family that live paycheck to paycheck, does he working-class people supporting donald trump, who is going to work day and night, not for workers, but for the billionaire class. so recently come law has said for example, which is a good thing that she wants to expand medicare to cover home health care. i don't know. and to send a pew study the issue disastrous elderly people so it's abled people want to stay in their homes, forced into nursing homes because they can't pay for the whole health care. >> the cost of medicare to cover home astronomical. >> that's a big deal. she wants to cover vision and hearing. i would like her to cover dental as well, but it's a big big deal that she's
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willing to do that just the other day today. i think she announced her son port for raising the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour. i would go higher than that. but you've got millions of workers, an american today, who are trying to get by and 101213 bucks an hour. i don't care if you're in rural wyoming or if he in new york city, you can't make it on 12th, 13 bucks an hour. got a raise the minimum wage. she wants 15 at least 15. it's a step-forward. >> vice president harris was campaigning yesterday with former congresswoman liz cheney. are you concerned at all that endorsements like the cheney's intended to bring in moderate republicans might alienate progressives i don't think so. >> we're talking about two different things. liz cheney and i disagree on every single thing you name it we disagree but one area where we don't disagree, if she happens to believe in american democracy and the rule of law and that's why she has been so opposed to donald trump and supporting kamala. and i respect that she has taken enormous flag on the
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republicans. have fellow republicans but what i think you're seeing now is many republicans saying, you know what, i disagree with kamala on the issues but we cannot have somebody who is vulgar is donald trump, is president somebody who lives all the time? as somebody who does not believe in the foundations of american democracy. and i respect republicans for having the courage to do that we can, liz cheney and i will argue about every issue in the world i'm right. she's walked. that's called the democratic process that's what we do. we don't try to deny election results. that's what authorities arena csm to understand as i appreciate your time on this really busy night. >> thank you very much thank you. still ahead. new episode of my podcast. all there is is just out. it's like a therapist, francis weller is my guess. you may remember his book about loss and grief has made a big impact on me and others back with another insightful conversation or preview of that next
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here in theaters. >> november 1st speedy pg 13 i'm kristen holmes covering the trump campaign and this is cnn podcast, season three of my podcast. >> all there is just got posted now available wherever y get your podcasts, you can also just point your cell phone camera right now, the qr screen on a qr code on the bottom of your screen and click on the link that pops up. my guest is psychotherapist and author francis weller. i've been talking price heavily with them for months and he's been talking to me about trying to develop what he calls a companionship with grief. he wrote a book called the wild edge of sora, which was one of my favorite books about grief. there is a very personal episode of the podcast. i started talking with francis about how i've been struggling this year to figure out how to face grief that i've run from for a long time. here's a preview i'm amazed that i'm 57-years-old. and, you know, from the outside, i guess relatively high functioning. and yet as soon as i think about my dad my voice cracks it
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stuns me that that happens now, like i feel like shouldn't i be over this to the boy, to your heart, to your soul? my time doesn't matter at all. it's grief that hasn't really fully been honored there's a request from seoul from grief that says we must honor these losses if we don't they really become like a sediment and wages down. >> i put it in a box and i thought i'd through dealt with it and live my life and suddenly now i feel like it is banging on the door is this a problem? i mean, it's nice in some ways because i'm feeling yes, because i've dead in myself for decades. >> yes. i mean, you've lived strategically. how do i how do i avoid those steps? >> but at some point the strategies fail and then something more genuine has asked to be encountered so when this touches you, i can say, is
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this a problem? >> or is this actually a deepening of you drawing you into the depths of where your father still lives well, your brothers still lives. they still are there and when we honor them, we are deepened, we are ripened that that take your time that idea that i mean, what it amazes me sitting here you say those words and the idea of the ring very true to me. >> the idea that deep inside me, my dad is still alive and my brothers saw a alive and it's the grief that is the knit between the two of you so when we refuse to feel the grief and the sense we're pushing that relationship far away then people say, i get to keep the love of those who have died.
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>> well, the only way you get to keep that as by honoring the rights of grief, the rights of love involve grave shouldn't i be over this should not have evolved to a place where i can sort of think fondly of the memories i have without it you know, bringing tears to my eyes i think those tears are holy and they speak to how much you loved your father and your brother, and your mother? >> those tears are the current expression of that relationship. i wrote the grief is one of the most powerful solvents it can soften the hardest places in us i can loosen and open our hearts again that's what i see happening to you. that right now. all the strategies are failing right now. what's here is what's present between us in this conversation? the vulnerability of that, the tenderness of that that's when i can feel you that's when
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you're actually in the room conversation with francis. well, and this week's episode of my podcast, all there is is available wherever you get your podcast. even also point your camera at the qr code on the screen. click on the link. you can also get the episode wherever you listen to podcasts. as i said, or at our new online grief community, at cnn.com forward slash, all there is online in you can connect with me there and others living with grief, leave comments, share your own experiences of well, you can also listen to the podcast's watch video version of the podcast, which is also available on the youtube channel on cnn channel on youtube. check out the new online grief community, cnn.com forward slash. all there is online. it's a way i hope you can feel a little less lonely in your grief. thanks for watching. town hall with vice president kamala harris is tomorrow. op. join me for that. the news continues right now. the source with kaitlan collins starts now