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>> tonight, breaking ranks, a prominent figure in the trump white house with a stark warning for america. >> but the former president's fascist tendencies and an apparent affinity for adolf hitler of all people plus the continued fall of america's mayor, rudy giuliani. >> now ordered to turn over much of his property, including his new york city apartment to the georgia election workers that he defamed back in 2020 and hi, my name is my name is what? >> slim shady. but just two weeks to go until election day, harris calling on m&m to give her a boost in michigan tonight on laura coates live trump's longest serving chief of staff. the retired marine general has spoken out about his old boss before, frankly, several times. but tonight with just two weeks to go until

election day, precisely two days at that two weeks at that kelly is delivering one of his most forceful rebuttal to date. he's going on the record not once, but twice today. the new york times publishing audio recording with kelly voicing his concerns about another trump presidency surely the former president shouldn't he no, sorry, terrion dictators. he has said that he fought certainly falls into the, into the general definition of a fascist for sure for sure and that's not all kelly also expressing fears that trump would act like a dictator if left up to his own devices and not just any dictator adolf hitler she

called his other ones. did you know that hitler did some good things to win? >> of course if you go history, again, i think he's lacking in that but if you know what his, you know, hitler was all about viewed be pretty hard to make occupant that he did anything good this is on the record. >> we're hearing from him and that was coupled with reporting by the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg, who says that kelly told him about trump raising the subjective german generals and when kelly responded surely you can't mean hitler's generals. trump replied, yeah. yeah, hitler's generals. goldberg also source to people who've heard trump say from inside the white house, i made the kind of generals, hitler head the trump campaign telling cnn that he never said this. and the quote is absolutely false. >> but why does kelly want the public to know this?

>> and why is he speaking out? well, because of language like this? the outside enemy, and then we have the enemy from within. it is the enemy from within these are bad people. we have a lot of bad people. yeah, they are to me the enemy from within well, kelly has a take on those threats i think just this issue of using the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think it's a very, very bad thing even to say it for political purposes, to get elected very, bad thing let alone actually doing it we're now two weeks to election day 14 days till we see what america really wants. joining me now, retired major general randy manner, he endorses kamala harris for president and the new yorker, susan glasser. she's the co

co-author of the divider trump in the white house. that book that reveal trump asked his then chief of staff, john kelly, why can't you be like the german generals? general manning, start with you here. general kelly telling the new york times and on record and audio, by the way, that trump fits the definition of a fascist i mean, it's a stunning notion to hear from a top military leader about his former commander in chief, who he served under. what's your response? >> so it's important to say that it's not only general kelly, it's also general melody milley as the previous chairman, joint chiefs reminder, i wouldn't need to remind all the viewers before definitions for words of from webster about what is, what's fascism. is a nationalistic far right? cause, check. it's an requires absolute obedience. >> check. >> it's the forced suppression of opposition, which trump has said over 100 times in the past

year that he would suppress those that oppose him. >> and then the fourth one is the supremacy of a race and or religion. >> check, check white, and then christian so i want to make sure that everyone understands that not only do general kelly and general milley properly call trump a fascist, but the maga are fascists. >> and so literally at trump for a vote for trump is a vote for fascism. we have to understand that susan, with that context provided by the general and of course, certainly those who vote for trump i'm sure would take issue with that. and yet, the definition he is laid out conveys a sense of an ominous warning here. and you first reported some of trump's praise for hitler in your book, the divider. when trump asked his then chief of staff, john kelly, why can't you be like the german generals? now apparently kelly had to explain hitler's generals tried to kill him three times and almost

pulled it off. what is this fascination with hitler say about trump? >> you know, it's been, it's been documented for a long time with donald trump predating his presidency. and it's very consistent, laura, with his admiration for dictators. in fact, i found it really remarkable that on this evening that we're having this really extraordinary news coming out of trump's own chief of staff, a former four-star marine general, calling him a fascist going on the record with these allegations that i and others reported donald trump was at a rally tonight. and what was he doing? he was praising xi jing ping the dictator in china. and i think it's very consistent with his praise of vladimir putin of she and no matter how many times trump has been told, you cannot say these things remember, that's what john kelly told donald trump when he was his top adviser, he said

sir, you cannot praised hitler. you are the leader of the united states, but did trump, do he continued to do that and i think that we, you know, when somebody tells you who they are in this fashion, i think it's very important and i do think it's very important that john kelly has gone public and put on the record this reporting from us and from so many other journalists it's important for the american people, obviously to know this about their aspiring president to hear his voice say it adds another layer to what we knew had been circulating the concerns general about people from ms cabinet, people who he trusted, who do not trust him to lead. again and something about hearing his voice say these things, it'd be willing to go on the record two weeks before is really extraordinary. and kelly says, what's motivating him general to speak out now are trump's comments about using the military there it to crush what he calls this enemy

within what does that say about the urgency of kelly's concerns so first of all, laura, he is completely on target merton, please remember for all the viewers, general kelly and general milley, they're conservative they are not liberal generals. >> they are conservative. that's why they were selected to work for him in so many words, i have been apolitical for all 35 years of mine military service i voted for ronald reagan. i voted for george bush sr. it's something and then i have voted on the other side as well. i regard myself down the middle. it is extremely challenging. >> and quite frankly, it is the time for all of us in the military to speak up about the great danger that trump is unfit to be the commander in chief and that he is a absolute danger to our country, not just a fascist by the defense this is not named calling. >> this is using the definition

of the english language. >> i do call on everyone to look it up, check it yourself. what's so striking about that, susan in particular, we are accustomed as a society too, our military being a political, obviously, the president is both oh, that's right and the commander in chief. and to hear those from the out, there's something very striking about that. and the trump campaign is responding tonight saying that kelly and i'm quoting them totally beclowned himself. >> trump has braided other military critics by demeaning them by demeaning their work, calling them overrated, calling them in effect, that even even susan calling some treasonous so why hasn't this disqualified trump in the eyes of americans? well, i think it's probably one of the areas in which laura he's been the biggest outlier of any president of my lifetime. are probably any other, is in this

consistent attack on the institution of the military, which generally speaking, both democrats and republicans have been very reliable locked often to criticize, if only because politically, it would seem to be a terrible idea to your point about the generals. i would just like to underscore that in my reporting for the divider, it's not just the former chairman, mark milley and john kelly who believed these things in my reporting, i interviewed many very senior, very senior, current, and former military officials who had this a direct personal experience with donald trump and had many of the same views that both general kelly and general milley have been reported, have i think is very important to point out these were a political career, national i'll security people who dedicated their lives to serving the american public. it was some of the most shocking reporting i've ever done laura to talk like this at their own

shock, at the commander-in-chief, there's one revealing anecdote that is in the atlantic piece that was also in our book from the former vice chair of the joint chiefs during trump's tenure, in which he's trying to explain to trump why we don't want to have a military parade in washington. the kind that trump wanted to have. and he says, i grew up in portugal when it was a military dictatorship. and i'm trying, he's trying to get across to donald trump. this isn't what democracies do. this is what dictators do and again, it's just not just john kelly, it's it's it's the experience of the most senior national security officials who served when trump was president really a sounding retired major general, randy manner, susan glasser. thank you both so much thank you for having me i mean frankly, well, that's all shocking on its own. >> the atlantic article also

gets into trump's alleged disdain from members of the u.s. military. and the article was detailing how trump agreed to pay for the funeral of a 20-year-old army specialist. her name vanessa again? >> who was killed by a fellow soldier at fort hood in texas back in 2020 and you remember this case unbelievably tragic. >> and of course this was all before attempting to go back on the promise that he found when he found out about the funerals cost we trump was overheard saying apparently it doesn't cause 60,000 bucks to bury an effing mexican unquote we just hearing and reading those words it's unimaginable that we're talking about it. former president of the united states and a member of the military trump turned apparent to his chief of staff, mark meadows, and he issued an order. don't pay it the trump campaign, again calling that story and

outrageous lie. well, it is indeed an outrageous allegation the top aides, mark meadows and kash patel, will they also denied this story my next guest is a gold star father who son died heroically trying to save his men from a suicide bomber attack and iraq because the air-con gained national attention in 2016 for criticizing trump's anti-muslim rhetoric and cracked down on immigration during a fiery moment, the 2016 democratic convention he challenged trump states constitution you my fault you have sacrificed nothing and no one

kohn joins me now. he has endorsed kamala harris for president. mr. khan that moment still sends chills down our collective spines thinking about what that must have been like for you in the moment it's been eight years since you challenge it's trump with a copy of the constitution. and since then he has talked about terminating the constitution how concerned are you about how far this could go if trump is reelected? >> all right if i may thank you for allowing me to join you there had been lots of talk about hitler and trump's admiration of hitler along me to say this and i hope america is listening hitler didn't become hitler overnight. >> he was elected i want

america to know. >> he was elected to the office and then the hell broke loose as we know, hitler now so it was the process of election that it was elected i am one additional comment. >> i heard your previous guest that of general kelly i pay tribute to him and him being bold star father sacrifice and honored that general kelly and his family has offered not only by serving, but that sacrifice is this, that all flag officers take the oath to defend the

constitution and united states, our nation and our democracy. and that all does not exhaust when they become not active duty, when they retired the uniform they still remain faithful to that ought to defend the united states so general kelly is i hope that other flag >> the 24 and dayton, ohio, he

publicly announced that i will be a dictator on day one there will be, if i am not elected, that will be end of democracy. i hope all america's flag officers are listening today. and have listened to him by saying that that will be the end of democracy in united states the authoritarian playbook is on display and we need to, we still have two weeks to do something about it. i have continued to speak. i will continue to speak so that we can continue to make our men and women serving in uniform their families, our veterans, and their families so we make them proud appreciate, and admire their remain with us up until the day

of election mr. khan, your words, so powerful and so poignant and just reminding about the continued obligations of the oath and it really speaks volumes about the motivation people like kelly or milli, and there have been others who have spoken out and you've said, so including families like your own who have sacrificed. >> so much and there was a young woman who was killed in the military. >> and at one point i understand trump was speaking about possibly paying for her funeral and then the atlantic came out with two reporting today. >> when trump made disparaging comments and backing out of helping the 20-year-old army specialist, vanessa yens funeral costs. and i wonder what you've made of that that notion of backing out and the

allegation that he made a comment about the price of what it would be like to bury a mexican was the words it's unfortunate. >> it's disgraceful it's unbecoming and american the oath to defend our country deserve the highest respect their families deserve the most respect and dignity donald trump is wide he has not done himself any service except for himself to himself he is nothing but eagle, an appetite and from that lens, when i look at his

statements about this hero of hours, a young lady that so honorably and disrespecting his family, disrespecting his funeral, and his burial i'm not amazed because i know donald trump i have watched him since 2016, 2015 and in fact, i watched him in office. >> and you hear the people that have served with him his attorney general general kelly has narrated several but his attorney general, bill barr said that donald trump is a narcissist. >> he is a troubled man. he should not be reelected. john bolton, his national security advisor, has said, donald trump is danger to our national

security and many others that have been talked about have, have said that this person does not deserve to be the commander in chief and president of united states i condemn his treatment of this hero of hours, this young lady and his family and but it does not, it did not surprise me mr. khan. >> i so appreciate you taking the time to be here and to express your views and to remind us of not the enemies from within, but the heroes, including your beloved. thank you so much thank you ahead coming only two weeks out from the election, and governor tim walz are leaning into it on the campaign trail.

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kamala harris, tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn campaign responding to the explosive reporting about trump's affinity for authoritarianism. >> and in particular, hitler's generals report in the new york times times, and also the atlantic magazine. here's vice presidential candidate governor tim walz from racine wisconsin as a 24 year veteran of our military, that makes me sick as hell. >> and it should are gone. >> trump is descending into this madness a former president of united states and the candidate president united states says he wants generals like adolf hitler had think about it, and he already has the supreme court in his pocket. >> they've effectively giving him full immunity

says this but the question is, how are voters going to react to these comments and the allegations that are contained in the report, it with me now, ryan, her desk key founder of the 1776 project. >> tara palmeri is senior political correspondent for puck, is also the host of the ringer podcast somebody's got a win. and jamal simmons and cnn legal commentator and former communications director for vice president harris. good to see you all here on a night, like this. i'll begin with you sara because hearing trump's former chief of staff saying that trump is a fascist, i mean, take a step back for a second and just i mean, this is stunningly abnormal in any generation or any political era that we might be in it is absolutely. and it absolutely supports harris is final arguments that trump is dangerous, unfit, a fascist fetishizes authoritarianism and you have people who served in

his administration at the highest level a cabinet member or chief-of-staff is technically a cabinet member coming from forward and supporting those claims and that is exactly what the democrats want, right now. i mean, they're running the tape from trump, but even more powerful is running the tape from people who have worked with him and it's actually sort of brings back those moments in the campaign. and during the administration when you would hear these leaks, right? and it reminds voters of the chaos especially those who are suffering from trump amnesia. i just interviewed one of harris's top advisers on my podcast and he said, right now, we're trying to bring back a little bit of trump ptsd to these undecided persuadable voters to remind them of the chaos. and it's probably working to talk to a lot of those women who are swing voters under 50, maybe without college educations and this is the kind of thing that they want to remind them of the chaos. and these, these clips, they work. >> well, jamal, i mean, on that point, i mean harris has

repeatedly hit trump on his disrespect for the military a lot of the things that we're hearing, although hearing the actual audio is very significant and quite distinct, and the culmination of others coming forward. but some of this has connected tissue and has a reference point in earlier reporting which leads me to wonder, is this the reason that comments like this reporting like this still leave trump and harris essentially tied in polling. i mean with comments like this coming from general kelly. well, that cut through to voters this time well, they are tied day, right? >> i mean, the free still got two weeks left of this campaign when joe biden got on the debate stage and basically undermine the fundamental thesis of his campaign, which was you know, stability and maybe he didn't seem as competent as we all thought that he should be. democrats were putting a pretty tough position and they had to sort

of muscle up and say, maybe this is isn't the right way to go. mr. president, maybe we should look for something else. i think republicans are now being put in a very similar position when it comes down trump. the democrats were making the argument maga republican through and making the argument about joe biden there, maybe he wasn't up to the job democrats have been making the argument that donald trump wants to be an authoritarian, that donald trump can't be trusted with the white house. again, we now have military generals. we now have former republican members of congress. we now have people from inside the white house. how many sources do we need to say in the end? we also had donald trump's actual words were he said, i want to be a dictator on day one, and he said, by enemies or enemies, the state, including the press and we know it's not just the republicans and the reporters. he'll treat republicans that where we had this democrats reporters. hoshi republicans that because remember, when mike pence was in the house,

was in the senate, was in the congress, and they were saying, hang mike pence he said, so what i mean, part of this ryan, we bring you in here there is value in either planting seeds are undermining the media, or suggesting that you can't trust them and you can trust what i have to say because i have a feeling there are a number of voters who are hearing so many things about trump. there during the claims are hearing the statements are hearing about members of the cabinet saying no can do know will do again. and you hear trump's campaign saying this is false president trump never said any of this. i mean, trump though tonight, praised authoritarian leaders. china's xi, china's xi, russia's putin. >> listen to this can you imagine what president xi, you know, i got to know him very well. he's a fierce individual. he runs 1.4 billion people with an iron fist. am i allowed to say he's smart

he's smart? she's a smart man he's a fierce man. i got along with him very well putin these are people that are tough people when many people have an authoritarians and the f leadership does that is that deniable at this point? >> well, in the clip, you shownot but it's not praise either, which is what you said it was which it wasn't. but according to the jeffrey goldberg article which we've talked about this entire night, you can't trust that article because the quote 60,000 for an ethnic mexican funeral, the only two on record sources both said that he didn't say that the only source is an anonymous source and the family of the deceased soldier, so that he was lovely to them. and in fact, they voted for donald trump today

that's how much they disagree. and they said it was a disrespectful article that politicize the death of their loved one. and jeffrey goldberg did not care about printing something that they had no sources on the record for. and i honestly got like most americans do not care about general kelly's farewell tour where he tries to make amends for working for donald trump's since democrats said, we're going to run all these republicans work for trump out of town unless they somehow make peace he's so two weeks before election day, he runs too liberal journalist susan glasser about a conversation that allegedly happened four years ago. it doesn't pass a smell test and that is why people are turned off to all of these stories. they remember donald trump, president for low inflation jobs, peace through strength controlled borders that's why they care. no one believes jeffrey goldberg. and the article from a publication that's own by one of harris donors laura first let me just say just so i didn't speak to susan earlier. >> susan wrote a book years ago where she was talking about her

reporting independent and what was tonight. and this was corroborating are affirming what she had already he learned years ago, but to the point of how this is viewed by voters, i mean, i know you're talking jamal when it gets you in here what you have said just now, ryan, i think is very illustrative of what i think you're seeing from report from supporters of trump who refused to look at this in a way that is portrayed in the media. they do not see this in the same way, whether you agree with that or not, jamal, they do not see it the same way. and i wonder what can be done about that if you're the harris campaign and you're out there saying, look at all the people who were telling you do not trust this person, not just in the last few weeks, but for quite some time to forget the attrition rate during his administration. what do you do with that as a campaign first of all, what reason do we have to believe anything that trump says donald trump lies about things that we have seen with our very own eyes, right? >> we all watched january 6.

and he says it was a day of love, so we don't have a reason to believe trump. i'd rather leave military generals who are honored and decorated and people don't have any reason to lie, right? it makes more sense john bolton was in the bush white house, said, do you believe him? this isn't able you know, you didn't believe him. you believe him now that he attacks trump bush white house that has you can say what you want to say about the republicans who attacked about other. this is about the person that aspiring to be president united states today. so i think the harris campaign has to do the harris campaign has to continue to tell the stories they're doing right? and now they're doing it. and saturday rallies, they're making us pay attention to this in a way that people haven't paid attention to it. and i think what will happen over the course of time is that it's not just, it's not going to be that donald trump is going to be at 45 or 44%. this is going to be a 48, 49% candidacy, but the harris campaign can peel two points. office now trump one or two points off of them, and these battleground states, they win this election.

>> the problem is that the people that they want to peel off, they may not be paying attention to this story. they may not be following every single line coming out of kamala harris are not watching rallies, they're not showing up to rallies there. frankly, probably streaming, maybe he getting a few text messages on their phone and bring it all together. so to even reach these people, like you really need to hit them from all different angles. and are they going to be reading the atlantic? i don't know about that, but there'll be on their phones, tara, there'll be on their phones. >> and they'll get it in social media posts, and they'll get it in advertisements. they get it and radio waves to communicate then no been compare to hit me. i want to hear row now excuse me i want you to hear since you talked about jeffrey goldberg, i want you to hear she was actually on cnn earlier this evening defending his work and i know that you took issue with the way in which it was written and conveyed the information. listen this for a moment. >> mark meadows was in the meeting kash patel was in the meeting a whole bunch of other senior officials in the meeting. i have sources who are

sitting in that meeting. i have contemporaneous notes taken by participants in that meeting that describe exactly what i described in the story well, this is the thing voters have heard one side, the other side, hearing from him. and of course we'll hear from the candidates 14 days from now. we'll see how they decide the issue. thank you all so much. >> thank you ahead slim shady marshall mathers, eminem, whatever you want to call them, detroit royal day was in the an election, more from his harris campaign appearance with former president obama. >> and the video, you have to see of who bomber wrapping eminem song next off. >> but so is your sound engineer. >> you need to hire a new indeed.

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why was i mouthing the word that as well? like why are we all in the studio doing the same thing? that was former president obama's wrapping m&m's lose yourself in the movement, the moment you own it. but i never let it go just after being introduced. just by the legendary detroit rapper, he has been a vocal critic of trump and here he is tonight, officially endorsing one, kamala harris people shouldn't be afraid to express their opinions and i don't think anyone wants an america where people have worried about retribution of what people will do if you make your opinion known

supports a future for this country where he's freedoms and many others would be protected and upheld i want to get to lz granderson a detroit native and host of the life out loud with lz granderson podcast, lz there in your hometown tonight, how significant is it to get m&m's endorsement in michigan? >> but more broadly, especially when it comes to efforts to mobilize working class voters absolutely. >> are you nailed it? you know, trump usually goes to michigan and paws out kid rock. but those of us who are born and raised in the area, we all know that kid rockets is doing cosplay and the eminem is actually are real product of the area of the city of which he speaks in northern, he represents, and he also doesn't use his platform very often in a political spectrum. so when he does speak like this, it does have impact in michigan specifically, but also nationally. remember, he's still very popular figure and lose yourself day with an oscar

because it is that dope and it does still have that empowering like that i mean, he's got to own it, never let it go, get one shot. >> right? and this was apparently his shot to endorse kamala harris. and yet as you mentioned, it's not just detroit. he has to appeal to it's got to be michigan, which of course has the huge undecided voter population we knew from months ago. but m&m has also been a huge trump credit. he's made waves back in 2017 when he released well this freestyle on bet. listen we better give obama props because what we gotten office now's a kamikaze that'll probably cause a nuclear holocaust. >> and while the drama klopp's, any waits for the quiet down, who just cast his plane up and fly around to the bottom and stops does it resonate his critique i think so i think so in detroit because are in michigan in general, because listen, we have this saying in detroit area, are you from detroit or detroit? detroit?

because there's a lot of people who say they're from a troy, but they're really like 354050 miles away. and the aren't really of the city and other element of the working class people that you think of when you think of the area that's not m&m, that's not what we represents. that's not where he's come from. and so we know that in the area and he's drawn attention to are part of the conversation but i think it's missing with a lot of people. is that as the artists impact on what a trump president, presidency could see, could be, you know, best what i thought in terms of how he was endorsing the vice president and speaking specifically about retribution for how do you speak, you're talking about him using his rap platform to attack president trump, where he's talking to as an artist but it should not be afraid to speak out, particularly against elected officials. that's what the first amendment is for. and i think m&m used his endorsement as a way of using his stance as an artist to direct our attention towards that as well. >> while i'm curious to see the impact, is endorsement, it doesn't ring like the pure quote-unquote celebrity endorsements that trump has

been very critical of when he's not receiving, but very praising. i'm when he gets it, lz real quick before i let you go, i want your critique on obama's rendition of lose yourself. what do you think you know what was good about it? >> it was sneaky. that's what i appreciate once you caught on that, he just letter rep. so i give him props on the delivery. >> well, let it made me want mom's spaghetti. lz granderson. thank you so much thank you, mom. i would never throw up because it's amazing. mom. okay ahead. rudy giuliani feeling the squeeze after a federal judge orders him to turn over his manhattan penthouse a luxury car world series rings, and more to the georgia election workers that he defamed its former spokesman joins me next i noticed a palms are sweating

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wounds. he has no one to blame, but himself for having defame these two innocent people who are unfortunately for him or very sympathetic very sympathetic victims i mean, he's you know, defamed in but then he's also he's been disbarred. >> i know you mentioned that, of course he he is facing criminal charges. his own daughter says that her father's support for trump has actually torn their family apart. what do you think is motivating giuliani to continue to stand by trump despite all of this. >> well, he's he doubles down and triples down same as trump. they have that have that in common. you're not going to tell them. they made a mistake. there. contrarian i used to say if you tell him someone's doing a lousy job, he'll give them a race i think that's part of the motivation. and his on his part you know, i'm right. you're wrong despite what the court said listen, he was told not to talk about january 6 on

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