together with custom gear, get started today. accustoming.com. >> have i got news for you saturday at nine on n cnn glows captioning brought to you by field away optimum, enhanced calming for cats. if you're catch sprays outside the litter box, fights with other cats were scratches the furniture, they could be telling you they're stressed to help them feel more calm, try feel away. optimum tonight on 360, even as the former president campaign today for the latino vote new reporting came out of the contempt he allegedly showed toward the family of a murdered mexican american soldier and their mexican heritage also his former chief of staff, retired judge >> general, general john kelly goes on the record detailing some of the stunning things trump said to him about hitler.

plus, if that weren't enough, all the rest of the news from the campaign now in its final two weeks, including former president obama appearing just moments from now in battleground michigan, being introduced by m&m, will show you some of his remarks live. good evening. thanks for joining us. the new york times he's just out with a new interview with former trump chief of staff general john kelly. the bottom line, according to the times quote, in his opinion, mr. trump met the definition of a fascist would govern like a dictator if allowed, and had no understanding of the constitution or the concept of rule of law now it comes hard on the heels of new reporting out today in the atlantic on the former president's alleged affinity for or wish for generals who were like adolf hitler's generals and his alleged contempt for the family of slain mexican american soldier. first the new atlantic reporting jeffrey goldberg, atlantic's editor in chief. goldberg pieces titled trump, i need the kind of generals they hitler had but he leads it off with a story of an army private named vanessa guillen, who was bludgeoned to death. bludgeoned

to death by a fellow soldier at fort hood in april 2020. she was a child and mexican immigrants shortly after her body was found, the former president voted her family to the white house, where he offer them help with expenses since isn't talked to reporters about it as well and if i can help you out with a funeral, i'll hope you'll i'll help you financially i think military maybe taking care of it till july military that's good. >> if you need help, all hope you they need something. >> we'll take care of will make sure she is very respected >> was in the spring then at a white house meeting in december 2020. and goldberg's new reporting on it, quoting again, at a certain point according to two people present at the meeting, trump has did they bill us for the funeral, meaning the family of poor frontally, what did it cost according to attendees and to contemporaneous notes of the meeting taken by a participant this event, an aide answered, yes, we received the bill, but

funeral costs $60,000 trump became angry the article continues, it doesn't cause 60,000 bucks to bury in f and mexican. he turned to his chief of staff, mark meadows and issued an order, don't pay it goldberg continues later that day. he was still agitated. can you believe it? he said according to a witness, effing people trying to rip me off some of the people named in the reporting are pushing back tonight. mark meadows tweeting, quote, any suggestion that president trump disparaged ms gain or refuse to pay for her funeral expenses, is absolutely false he was nothing kind gracious and wanted to make sure that the military in the u.s. government did right by vanessa again and her family a trump campaign adviser tonight had this to say about the alleged effing mexican comment president donald trump never said that this is an outrageous lie from the atlantic two weeks before the election. now, the rest of the piece in it, goldberg detail showing admiration for germans in uniform form specifically generals, more specifically nazi generals, quoting again, i need the kind of generals that hitler had trump said in a

private conversation. and the white house, according to two people who heard him say this quote, people who were totally loyal to him that follow orders now the campaign tonight says the former president never said that goldberg also then recounts a conversation he had this week with former chief of staff, john kelly, a retired marine corps general who was chief of staff in trump's white house, quote he told me that when trump raised the subject of german generals, kelly responded by asking do you mean bismarck's generals? went on? i mean, i knew he didn't know who bismarck was about the franco-prussian war. i said, do you mean the kaiser's generals? surely you can't mean hitler's generals and he said, yeah, yeah hitler's generals just moments ago, the new york times posted clips from three new interviews with general kelly in it. he does not specifically refer to jeffrey goldberg's new reporting which was in the atlantic but he confirms previous report that the former president had made in admiring statements about it, or hitler. kelly also told the times, said in his opinion, trump met the definition of a fascist and would govern like a dictator if allowed.

>> looking at the definition of fascism far-right authoritarian ultra-nationalists, political ideology characterized by a tutorial leader centralized on pi christie militarism forcible suppression of our opposition, believes natural social hierarchy so certainly my experience, those are the kinds will work better in terms of running america joining us now is former maine republican senator william cohen, who served as defense secretary in the clinton administration. also cnn political analyst and retired army lieutenant general mark hertling secretary cohen, first of all, what is your reaction to this new reporting in the atlantic and also the times that interview? >> well, you have to put it in the context of what the former president was saying publicly he has indicated he'd like to be a dictator, a dictator on

day one. he's indicated publicly in the past he would like to have my generals. he's indicated throughout his administration he puts a premium on loyalty to the constitution, but to him, he believes not in the rule of law, but in the rule of order. order without accountability, without the rule of law so i think you put it in that context. this is not a new revelation, but it is king continuation of who he is in character and trust terms of his professed beliefs. and so i think we have to take minister yoav goldberg from the atlantic as i certainly support in general on this in terms of what his comments are directly general kelly for others to comment differently, but that's my impression. >> yeah. the ten general hertling mean in the atlantic piece foreign president, according to jeffrey goldberg for importing trump talked glowingly about the loyalty that hitler received from his

generals and kelly confirmed as were reportedly said, i need the kind of generals and hitler had now, kelly didn't confirm that part. kelly confirmed that trump had talked to him about and that kelly had talked to him about out hitler's generals kelly went on to say that he had pointed out that some of hitler's generals tried to assassinate him, that apparently that didn't have much of an impact on trump. trump's can pain has denied any of this that he ever said that he wished some of his generals, or like hitler's generals, as someone who served 40 years in uniform i mean what do you make of first of all the integrity of general kelly in terms of statements that he would make about what he heard directly. and what do you make of the statements by then-president trump allegedly? >> anderson both of the articles and i just finished reading the new york times article interview with general kelly both of the articles reflect a pattern of things that we have seen over and over again with mr. trump, both when he was in office and when he's out of office. and in fact, i

would suggest that the golblum article didn't cover everything the mentioned the comments about what mr. trump gave when he was president in 20 of pardoning war criminals on several occasions, on insulting various people. it didn't cover all the bases, so the article is staggering in its, in its length and what it mentioned. fred it seem to fit the pattern of things that we've seen mr. trump's say publicly in terms of the recent article, the one that was just published with general kelly john kelly and i served together in iraq we were both division commanders at the time. he was in the west it's and i was in the north. we conducted operations together. the integrity of general kelly is at the forefront in my view, i know him, i know him pretty well and the fact that he's commenting on these things, right now and really taking an

extra step in saying, yes, these are all the things he said certainly to me are much more valuable than anything that anyone on the trump campaign would say to disavow these kind of actions, we know these things happen. we have seen trump say these things again, i go back to the fact that it kind of reinforces a pattern that we've all seen publicly with mr. trump secretary cohen, that we've had trump acolytes, supporters on the program who have denigrated any of the generals who have come forward saying, oh, when they liked them, when they were in office, when they worked for him in the white house as soon as they leave, suddenly they're saying bad things about him, implying there they have some reason to, be doing, this. >> other than feeling there speaking honestly, your friends with general kelly. i understand why should people believe him? why why do you what do you make an him agreeing to come forward like this and you know, talking about trump meeting the

definition of a fascist, which by the way is backing up something that trump's top general, the chairman of the joint chiefs, mark milley, has said anderson, i think we first have to consider that the the code of honor in the military usually deters any former officer from speaking else, certainly while he's in active duty. but once retired, they do not want to tarnish the relationship between civilian life and the military. they are very, very reluctant to say anything of a critical nature and that's why it makes this so unusual that general kelly's willing to go on the record. are there others who've been less willing, but nonetheless, i have talked to a number of four-stars. i have several four-stars in my own office. i know what was going on in the pentagon in terms of their relationship with the president? and so for general kelly to speak out, he's

saying, i am on i served with honor. i believe that it's important for me to speak out and now at this time when so much is at stake that we have a person who has indicated that he has authoritarian instincts, passions, and dictatorship friends well that he might in fact become president united states and occupy that position commander in we really can't afford that. we shouldn't want it in anyone out there listing off to listen to the people who have put their lives and limbs on the line, like general hertling, who served in the clinton administration. he didn't serve president clinton he didn't serve me. he served the country of the united states. that's the pledge he took that pledge of allegiance not to the president, to the country but that's really think the general taking, you know general hertling. >> i mean, that's one of the things that general kelly talked about in this line of particles sort of trump's surprise that the generals actually they are not swearing an oath to the president that they are swearing an oath to

support and defend the constitution. >> i want to play something else that kelly told the new york times if he was left to his own devices, what he'd be a dictator if he didn't have people around him. >> oh, i think he love to be i think you'd love to be just like he was in business. he could tell people to do things that they would do it and not really bother too much about whether what the legalities were, what it's remarkable general hertling in any other time. if you had the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff the former chief of staff of the president, united states, coming forward, both respected highly decorated career military people who as secretary cohen was saying, you know follow a code of generally not speaking out in any other time. this at this occurred

people would i mean, this in any other in the past? this would be a death knell to any candidate. see, it? i don't know that it'll have any impact whatsoever and it seems like everything is baked in. there's nothing that the foreign president can say that we'll turn off his supporters do you agree with me? do you agree with kelley? i mean, do you think this will have any kind of an impact i don't know anderson it hasn't certainly had an impact so far. >> but one of the things i'd like to reinforce what secretory secretary cohen mentioned is the fact that trump doesn't understand the u.s military. he doesn't understand that dictates of our government wanting to be a dictator in any country where there's a dictator, the military serves that dictator in the united states, the american way of war, the american way of the military is to swear the oath to the

constitution, a piece of paper that represents ideas. there is no while other military in the world that does that other military swear to defend the motherland are the fatherland or the king, or the queen we swear to defend a piece of paper which includes the rule of law. mr. trump obviously doesn't want that. he wants the military to swear loyalty to him and military individuals, those who wear the cloth of the country will not do that because they understand what our nation and our values are all about that's the key difference. but again, anderson, going back to your original question, if we haven't seen it yet, i'm surprised because this is what former president trump has been doing all during the time he was in office and all during the time he's been campaigning for office. so if we haven't seen it shame on us secretary cohen, general hertling. i appreciate your time joining us now is perine, who served as

director of communications for the trump 2020 campaign. ashley etienne, former communications director for vp harris republican strategists and navarro who's now supporting vice president and cnn political commentator van jones ashley, what do you make of this latest reporting it seems like to me we've sort of lost sight of what makes donald trump so dangerous. >> so i'm glad these articles are coming back to light and really raising this issue. it's no it's. not the antics, the dancing, it's not the lewd comments about a golfer. it really is this point that we're not so sure where donald trump allegiances are. there primarily to himself. and i believe the generals, both of them to your point, have said that he's a fascist to his core, and it not only fits pattern, but it's what we saw with our own eyes. let's go back to when he was president and he actually stood in helsinki next to putin. and sided with putin over us

intelligence. that he gave secrets to the russians in the oval office in the early days of the administration, that he made millions and millions, not just him, but his entire family off a foreign governments selling us interests. that is who donald trump is, and that is what makes him so dangerous. so i'm glad we're actually getting back to the very core of what makes donald trump unfit for this office. arena. >> me as we pointed out, the trump campaign is denying the reporting the atlantic denied saying that he said that about the family of the fallen soldier denying that they put out there the sister of vanessa, again, has said that put out a statement basically saying that they you still there grateful for the support that president trump gave them. didn't actually directly talk about whether or not money trump paid money or not what do you make of this reporting

there is a lot of this reporting that you're seeing right now, not only the atlantic, but other outlets about donald trump and his behavior. >> and you've been seeing this reporting and his comments in the media every day, it gets covered heard breathlessly, and it hasn't moved voters at this point, the likelihood that has an impact on the election it's unlikely at this point, but what it does lead to as the closing argument conversation that both campaigns are trying to have right now. well, if donald trump turns out all of his base supporters and kamala can't expand her map. sheet probably going to be able to win this election. but if her closing argument is trump's bad, she's clearly seeing even right now, using that as an argument on tv in interviews, in ads, it's not moving voters in the persuadable ones she needs. that is not going to be a winning closing argument for her that donald trump is bad because it hasn't persuaded the voters to her side yet conversation is, as these stories continue to come out, is combo going to lead into the trump bad but no future looking or what she's going to bring

to the table or just end it there because it won't be enough to get her the election, then i want to play something else that general kelly told the new york times i think this issue was using the military to go after american citizens is one of those things i think is a very, very bad thing even to say it for political purposes, to get elected as a very, very bad thing let alone actually doing it in your view, does this paint the foreign president's recent comments about using the military against the enemy from within in any kind of a new light? yeah it does. and i think that there are people who were still trying to make up their mind about what to do. and i think tonight should be a very sobering moment for those people if kamala harris gets elected president, what is the worst thing that she's likely to do? you might not like her tax policy and in two years you can vote in a new congress in

two years after that, you can vote a new president and get a different tax policy if donald trump gets elected and even some of these exaggerating or some of the stuff turned out not to be true if even half of what they're saying is true. what's the worst that could happen with donald trump? it is an unknowable, it is it is, it is beyond our ability to comprehend. and so if at this point you are at home and you're trying to figure out what should i do tonight? worst thing that come harris could do, maybe bad tax policy. we may not have have a constitution by the time that someone like this is present with no guardrails. but he didn't do a lot of bad stuff when he was in there before because we have people around him who wouldn't let him. those people are all gone. you now have a supreme court that says he gets essentially lawless. you have a lawless president with no regard for our constitution and people.

speeches, blasting trump. he hasn't been on tv or trying to become a tv commentator. john kelly has kept fairly quiet. this is a desperate measure, trying to warn the american people not to reelect this man because john kelly knows him up close. i have siro now that an honorably for decades and decades. this is a man who we should listen to and look. if you are a staunch trump supporter, it won't matter to you, but to those republicans who say they have the greatest respect for the military, to those republicans who say they are for law and order. they better. he'd, john kellys words and i hope that at least some of them take it seriously. and if they are having a hard

time marking that ballot for kamala harris, that this is something that helps them. finally make that decision. and let me also please talk about this stuff, about what he said about vanessa yen if you don't believe that donald trump is capable of saying that $60,000. does it cost that much to bury a mexican and you haven't been listening to donald trump. you haven't been listening to the way he talked about judge curiel as just a mexican, you haven't been listening to the way he talked about mexicans as criminals and rapists. you have forgotten when he said that people like me come from shithole countries this is true to form for donald trump. so for those latinos out there who think that when he says racist offensive things, it doesn't apply to them. you are wrong. and if you are a latino or an american with trump amnesia, this should help to cure you the erin, as you said, the

trump campaign is denying these statements about vanessa guillen to ana's point. anybody who has listened to donald trump, even those who support him, i mean, has heard the language that he has used it is, certainly not. i don't know that there's anyone who would say there's no way he could have possibly ever said something like that i mean, he's i mean i think you could throw anything out there in this day and age and say i wouldn't be surprised if donald trump said that, but that's not the, that shouldn't be the qualifier here right now, these campaigns need to focus on their closing message. >> i know i said it before about whether or not it's going to be trump bad and that's going to be commas argument. but for trump right now, we continue to have breathless conversations about what he he's say and not about the policy proposals. he is still owning the media conversation and kamala took today off, i can only assume to prep all day outside of her two interviews for your interview tomorrow with her, the town hall meeting, but all of that to say she is down on the campaign today and he is still owning the oxygen. there are still

constant conversation and noise about donald trump whatever officials to come out and say this that is big. i won't deny that that is a big step for them to make, but that is still in the oxygen chamber that is getting sucked up by donald trump for it to move voters is so unlikely. >> i guess the question i actually is, i mean, is this certainly this is probably not the conversation that a trump campaign would want to be as part of the conversation, i mean, yes, it is. he's he's owning the news cycle in this hour but it's because it's because he allegedly said he wants generals like adolf hitler had said, admiring things to his chief of staff who went on the record saying that hitler did some good things these are not the kind of things i would assume a normal campaign in the closing days would would want obviously, it's baked in. i get all i think you're all your points are absolutely accurate but it still if there are some people who are undecided, it's i guess the question is, for those undecided people, do we

really want to spend the next four years every day with this kind of stuff? >> no. absolutely. i mean, this is not a new cycle that i would think donald trump would want, but he let me get back to what aaron said and what anna said. the problem i'm here is the republican party's refusal to be honest with the american people. in fact there, there, there misleading intentionally deceiving the american people. i ran the first impeachment war room where donald trump tried to shake down another come, another country to get dirt on joe biden. he violated his oath the of office. we had two senators, republican senators, right? that came to the country with ukraine ukraine. >> know you just named but it's important because it is a did. >> yeah the holdup was weapons to ukraine. >> absolutely. they are now fighting a war for two at the andersen absolutely. but the point is they came to the impeachment war room and they told us day two of the trial,

you're right. he did it, but we're not going to do anything about it. and then they go on tv and they lie to the american people. this is why it's not sticking is because the republican party refuses to be honest with them. american people are perpetuating these lies about donald trump in the reality is, is donald trump has consistently put himself before the interests of the american people. and that should matter in that should be part of the closing argument. it doesn't have to come from kamala hears. it can come from the entire apparatus of the democratic party. this is what we're potentially going to give for another four years. these unknowns about what donald, what donald trump is selling off in his own interests that are jeopardizing the security, the health of knowledge's our democracy, but of our nation thanks everybody. >> appreciate it when quick reminder going to be moderating a cnn town hall with vice president harris tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. eastern live from pennsylvania it's an in bernie sanders is coming up with your right back

want to ask you about january 6, 2021. >> the steps that you're talking about, why have you done them already? >> more reporters on the ground what did you hear appeal to young voters come couldn't have said yes, he would veto a national abortion ban and the best political team in business, what's the biggest takeaway from this fall? >> we are in the midst of a pivotal moment in american history. >> follow the candidates, following the facts followed, a cnn sure. >> this supreme prince business cards. but we also print these and those and a grave that we print your brand on everything. so customers can notice you remember you and fallen love with you if you need it, we print it with 25%, offer new customers at misprint.com for gentle, dependable, constipation really tries then seneca, it works differently than other laxatives because it's made from the senate plan. >> and natural vegetable accident ingredient and gentle, dependable seneca also available in delicious gummies

or did you discuss with the holy father in that fire meeting, see the most astonishing performances of a year in hands down the best picture of the year, you should be careful. i should pretend this conversation i took place, but it has taken place conclave rated pg only in theaters this friday. >> look at this city little saleable. >> these men of means this with a silver spoon seating up the financial favors of the 1%. what would become of them when it is cover robin hood gold allows others to earn their very liberal rate it's an idle cash, unlimited deposit bomblets, susan had some retirement matching chaos there are seeing this, chaos subway just dropped the price of every foot login after 699 weights. >> subway veered six neither now

foot off with just >> oh, the answers on what if you're heading low at night? >> wow, it cannot learn. you can even track your manager diabetes with confidence, with deck come g7, the most accurate gm learn more at decks com.com, it's time for bob's to come you get stein you can features quality in thousands of dollars your business needs a network it can count on... even during the unexpected. power's out! -power's out! comcast business has you covered, with wifi backup to help keep you up and running. wifi's up. let's power on! let's power on! -let's power on! it's from the company with 99.9% network reliability. let's power on!

power on with the leader in connectivity. stay connected with comcast business internet and wifi back-up or get started for $49.99 a month. plus ask how to get up to a $500 prepaid card. call today! let's go boys. the way that i approach work, post fatherhood, has really been trying to understand the generation that we're building devices for. here in the comcast family, we're building an integrated in-home wifi solution for millions of families, like my own. connectivity is a big part of my boys' lives. it brings people together in meaningful ways. ♪ ♪ and see how much you can save

harris-walz campaign cnn investigation looking at the dark side of some of the enormous sums of money being raised this election cycles, specifically, our exclusive reporting uncovered dozens of elderly americans, including many suffering from dementia being exploited by unsavory political fundraising tactics we're talking about millions of dollars lost and for some their entire life savings, a groups representing both parties are involved, but the biggest beneficiary of the small-dollar donations from unwitting being donors identified by cnn was donald trump. can lie. has that story one day? >> my gosh the benjamin family

has had this conversation before once the 81-year-old richard benjamin just doesn't remember. >> so between these two two months, it's over $60,000. >> richard benjamin has dementia when read went red ultimately, he gave away more than $80,000 in political donations, all going through a fundraising platform called when red republican campaigns rely on it to solicit donations often using misleading ads through email and text messages like we tried to warn you, but you kept ignoring u.s. >> president trump personally tapped you. this is not a drill when we looked at his phone his phone told the whole story because he would get dozens, dozens of text messages a day referring to him as a patriot and thank you for helping to

save america. >> i was dealing with president trump and so it came up that when i, when they wonder, find out what i was doing that's what i put in. >> he really in his heart believed that donald trump and donald trump junior and other politicians we're personally reaching out to him. >> he just didn't have the capacity to understand what it was that he was actually doing. >> benjamin's information was shared across dozens of republican campaigns overwhelmed by deceptive messages begging for money a result, his children say, benjamin was duped into giving away his life savings. >> you had to get a home equity line of credit to pay this off, right? >> yeah. >> yeah. so depleted is saving and then we moved him over here to assist living and then sold his house. >> he had a sell a house move him, sell his car. let's car.

and this is all from $10 $5 donations he had essentially put himself $50,000 in debt after he had given them his life savings. >> do these political campaigns bears some responsibility? >> they have very sophisticated operations. it's really outrageous. i mean, there's no other way to frame it. >> cnn's investigative team reviewed more than 1,000 public reports and complaints and bound deceptive political fundraising by republicans and democrats has victimized hundreds of elderly americans, misleading them into donating far more than they intended. >> and it adds up a sample of just 52 elderly donors, many who suffer from dementia or cognitive decline. >> gave away more than 6 million of their life savings. the majority to donald trump and other republican candidates she was so careful with money. >> my mother my mother used to count the pennies. she

basically trained all the accounts, everything, but $250 karen's mother's jolene, gabe republicans, nearly >> she died earlier this summer from stage four cancer amid cognitive decline we met karen at her mother's home in california. it's empty as she prepares it for the rental market. karen asked we not use their last name, fearing retaliation this is outrageous. >> it was like a total fraud. the bank was sending fraud alerts because of it because they were charged in her $3 $20 there's $15 as if somebody was hacking into your credit card. what it was were in ret winred that was charging all these even the money her mother's set aside for a funeral was gone painted this pit in my stomach. it makes me feel like throwing up thinking that the last months of her life we're about her being swindled

really is it's unconscionable what they've done as karen reviewed her mother's bank records on the text messages on her phone. >> it became clear how that money disappeared so quickly. >> just got another text it's endless. >> this is while we've been here for ten hours, 67101010, 141016. i mean, it's every few minutes every few minutes. and what does this say make this monthly recurring donors? and it's checked already? >> yep. >> oh my my god, this is confusing. what gets this bright yellow? all these checks all these directions i don't even know how to make sense of this the box is pre-checked meaning the campaign can automatically withdrawal recurring donations, monthly or

even weekly we tried to reach winred by phone. your call has been forwarded to voicemail tech and email. >> all right 40 to 50. and then went to the address that win winred lists as its headquarters in virginia. hi, i'm kyung lah from cnn. could i speak with somebody from winred? they are not located in the building on site. when red list, this address officially with the state of virginia but they don't actually have anyone here. >> if you look at a donor as an endless pile of $25 contributions and not think about the reason they're contributing. that's a problem. >> matthew hurtt is a lifelong republican and the arlington, virginia gop chair. a rare republican who does not use winred to fund raise. >> it shouldn't be complicated or nefarious or tricky, or scehme to have somebody make a contribution. >> why are you using the word

scheme? >> any platform that tricks older donors into giving money unwittingly, seems like a scheme to me those cnn found nearly seven times more complaints from republican donors, families of democratic donors have also unwittingly given away their money matt and dave, why spartz, mother in cognitive decline donated more than $200,000 to democratic campaigns through act blue. it's theft, it's elder abuse there's no doubt about it. i talking publicly, they hope one thing might work to get actblue to return some of their mother's life savings. shame. >> the right thing to do, the moral thing to do is to return that money to her he didn't have to. it's not it's not illegal what they did, but it's morally wrong thank kim joins us now. >> i mean, any of the accused responded to the allegations. >> well, as he saw, all of our attempts to contact one read to no avail. we kept following up

and still they completely ignored our requests for comment we did hear from the trump campaign and that campaign says that they do notify donors before processing recurring donations and they do have staff on hand to help donors that they want to process any sort of cancellations as far as actblue. we did get a statement and that statement said that it has a surface team to help donors. and if they need refunds, especially plea if there are signs of cognitive decline, they will try to assist them beyond their standard 90 day refund window. anderson is this legal given what we've laid out, you would think that there's some sort of remedy. so there are a few states that are trying to do this, try to find some legal remedy but it is protected speech, political speech, as you know, anderson is protected. and so it's a very high constitutional barrier in order to prove any sort of fraud. >> can lah thanks so much coming up. i'm going to discuss the final two weeks the presidential campaign was bernie sanders joins me live,

including what the foreign president's one time chief of staff has now said two new interviews about trump's apparent fascination with hitler. we'll be right back before election day. >> vice president harris bases voters and takes to pressing questions, lie. >> anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential town hall. kamala harris tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn guess my hundreds meant to our show and then no, no, no. i

mean, it's unlimited premium wireless for $15 a month. me honestly, when i started this, i thought only have to be like for these. how are there still people? full pink, two or three times that i shouldn't i shouldn't be victim blaming here it's still $15 a month. so whenever you're ready i'm kamala harris and i approve this message donald trump makes a lot of promises, but we can be sure of one thing if he wins, he he'll ignore all checks that rein in a president's power. it's all in trump's project 2025. agenda what does that mean for you? higher cost on groceries, cuts to social security and medicare, more tax breaks for billionaires and a national abortion ban, pudding women's health at risk. a second trump term, more unhinged, unstable, and unchecked. >> what do you talk about? >> the news sports, a little

family gaza, maybe you don't do that, right? >> here's another topic for you. >> as they get older, their risk of getting really sick from a respiratory virus, lake flu, covid-19 or rsv, goes up a lot so talk to them about getting the season's vaccines because you've still gets so much to talk about. >> my said open kitchen. definitely the one. >> but how can you sell your house or stuck on a space station for months? >> and don't give you the ability to sell and buy on your timeline the house warming body read from the director of forrest gump come say cinematic journey through time. timeshare does flaunted tom hanks, robin wright, shoot

everyone has been in the mountains here, take his seat here. here is where we want toje

the election. >> here's what kelly told the new york times about trump's, what he says are trump's positive comments about adolf hitler she did caught as a war the ones that, you know, the hit with did some good things to end? of course if you go history again, i think he's lacking in that but if you know what his, you know, hitler was all about, viewed be pretty

hard to make an argument that he did anything good comes communications director steven cheung, who just weighed in on the times interview, quoting him now, john kelly has totally beclowned himself with these debunked stories. >> he is fabricated because he failed to serve his president well while working chief of staff. and currently suffering from a debilitating case of trump derangement syndrome. chunk goes on, quote, president trump is always honor the service and sacrifice while our military men and women, whereas kamala harris has completely disrespected the families of those who gave the ultimate sacrifice, including the abbey-gate 13 in separate reporting by the atlantic, jeffrey goldberg today to sources say that then president trump wants privately said, quote, i need the kind of generals hitler had. the trump campaign has denied those allegations as well, driven out by senator bernie sanders, who sits on the veterans affairs committee, center peripheral, judge, to your response to this, lynda carter, along with general kelly is saying about the former president. have you ever seen a situation where you have a former highly respected marine general, former chief of staff coming forward saying

something like this, just like general mark milley from chief as chairman and chief of staff, right? >> look what you have an i think it's important for republicans and conservatives on the sanders. it's not just john kelly, his former chief of staff. it is mike pence who what's his vice president for four years, unprecedented to say mike pence is not going to vote for donald trump it is dick cheney, one of the most conservative vice presidents in american history, and his daughter liz cheney, not voting for donald trump. it is mitt romney, the 2012 republican candidate for president, not voting for donald trump. why is that it's not only just policy issues, it is the fact that they understand in in temp by temperament and character, this man is unfit to be president of the united states he is a pathological liar. for the first time in american history. he prior to prevent a peaceful transfer of power and fomented

an insurrection to try to deny the election results of 2020. so before i even get into policies like climate change or minimum wage or housing or anything else, health care i think it just a no brainer that donald trump should not be elected president of the united states general kelly confirms the new york times that trump calls service members who were injured or killed, quote, suckers and losers, including applying those terms to senator john mccain, you served with the late senator john mccain. >> i mean, do you believe john kelly >> i mean, i know john slightly and i knew i knew john mccain it fairly well. and john and i disagreed about everything but we were friends actually, and i would like them very much an honest, straightforward guy who obviously served his country heroically, was a prisoner of war and deserves our deepest

respect. he is somebody who was disrespected by trump, i suspect because he cast became cast the deciding vote to protect the affordable care act but i think in trump, you have somebody who is power hungry who has very, very strong or authoritarian tendencies, who does not believe in democracy. and no matter what your views are, i don't care if you're a conservative progressive or whatever you may be this is not a guy we should be supporting to be president of the united states what do you think vice president harris needs to do in this next 13 14 day period, writers is reporting that the harris campaign is in talks with the joe rogan podcast. >> you i know you gone on that podcast. you go and speak a lot places i saw you recently on fox do you think she should go to the anderson cooper's show? >> i know you're even here. i appreciate it

>> you know, trump is all over the place and i think it doesn't hurt get out there. and so the questions but i think also she's been making some progress in this area. i think she's got to be stronger on economic issues. it pains me very much as somebody who grew up in a working class family, that we live paycheck to paycheck, does he working-class people supporting donald trump, who is going to work day and night, not for workers, but for the billionaire class. so recently come law has said, for example, which is a good thing that she wants to expand medicare to cover home health care. i don't know. and to send a pew study the issue disastrous elderly people let's abled people want to stay in their homes, forced into nursing homes because they can't pay for the whole health care. >> the cost of medicare to cover home astronomical. >> that's a big deal. she wants to cover vision and hearing i would like her to cover dental as well, but it's a big big deal that she's willing to do that. just the other day today, i think she announced support for raising

the minimum wage to at least $15 an hour. i would go higher than that. >> but you've got millions of workers, an american today who are trying to get by and 101213 bucks an hour. >> i don't care if you're in rural wyoming or if you new york city, you can't make it on 12th, 13 bucks an hour. we got to raise the minimum wage. she wants 15 at least 15. it's a step-forward vice president harris was campaigning yesterday with former congressman liz cheney. >> are you concerned at all that endorsements like the cheney's intended to bring in moderate republicans might alienate progressives i don't think so. >> we're talking about two different things, liz cheney and i disagree on every single thing you name it we disagree but one area where we don't disagree, if she happens to believe in american democracy and the rule of law and that's why she has been so opposed to donald trump and supporting kamala. and i respect that she has taken enormous flak from republicans. have fellow republicans but what i think

you're seeing now is many republicans saying, you know what, i disagree with kamala on the issues. but we cannot have somebody who is vulgar is donald trump, has president somebody who lies all the time? somebody could does not believe in the foundations of american democracy. and i respect republicans for having the courage to do that we can, liz cheney and i will argue about every issue in the world i'm right. she's walked called the democratic process that's what we do. we don't try to deny election results. that's what authoritarianism is to understand as i appreciate your time on this really busy night. thank you very much thank you. still ahead. new episode of my podcast. all there is is just outside therapists, francis weller is my guess. you may remember his book about loss and grief has made a big impact on me and others who is bad back with another insightful conversation or preview of that next

before election day vice president harris bases voters and takes the pressing questions lie. >> anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential town hall. kamala harris tomorrow at nine eastern on cnn and keeping saying, discover the power of week-old as some lost over 46 that's pounds. we go and i'm keeping the weight off. >> we go be help you lose weight and keep it off. >> i'm reducing my risk. we go movie is the only fda approved for weight management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events and adults with no heart disease and with either obesity or overweight, we go vision be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines don't take, we go via if you or your family had medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type-2 for allergic to it stopped we go and get

medical help right away. if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction, serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis and gallbladder problems. we go we may call there's low blood sugar and people with diabetes, especially if you take medicines to treat diabetes, tell your provider about vision problems are changes, or if you feel your heart racing while at rest, depression or thoughts of suicide occur call your provider right away if you have any mental changes, common side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. >> would we go losing, weight, keeping it off. and i'm lowering my cv risks talking to your healthcare professional about we go they may have allergic apa quell is the number one treatment for allergic catch that veterinarians have trusted for over 15 million dogs. >> and it starts working in just four hours. >> do not use it dogs with

serious infections may cause worsening existing parasitic skin infestations or pre-existing cancers and serious infections, new neoplasia have been observed, do not use in dogs less than 12 months old, ask your vet for apple qualcomm now available in a tasty chewable if you're living with hiv, imagine being good to go without daily hit the pills. good to go unscripted good to go on a whim with kevin uva. >> there's no pausing for daily hiv pills for adults were undetectable. >> kevin uva is the only complete long-acting hiv treatment you can get every other month it's two injections from a health care provider just six times a year. don't receive cabinet. if you're allergic to its ingredients or if you're taking certain medicines which may interact with cabinet over serious side effects include allergic reactions post injection reactions liver problems, and depression. if you have a rash and other allergic reactions, symptoms stop habit nuba, and get medical help right away. tell your doctor if you have liver or kidney problems of mental

health concerns and if you are pregnant or breastfeeding or considering pregnancy, some of the most common side effects include injection-site reactions, fever, and tiredness with cabin nova, you're good to go. ask your doctor about switching every member of the military is tested for mental fitness, except the commander in chief, who has the most responsibility world. and when a moment of crisis strikes, is this what we want in a president unsure oranges of the unstable hamas terrorist invasion unpredictable, anomalous. >> it's time every president is required to prove their mental fitness, sign the petition for presidents on mental fitness, health care for action pac is responsible for the content of this advertising

should check out, inspire now, mask know-hows jazz, sleep, inspire, sleep apnea innovation, learn more and view important safety information at inspires sleep.com i'm rahel solomon in new york and this is cnn podcast, season three of my podcast. all there is just got posted now it's available wherever you get your podcasts. you can also just point your cell phone camera right now, the qr screen on a qr code on the bottom for screen and click on the link that pops up my guest is psychotherapist and author francis weller. i've been talking privately with him for months and he's been talking to me about trying to develop what he calls a companionship with grief. he wrote a book called the wild edge of sorrow, which is one of my favorite books about grief there's a very personal episode of the podcast. i started talking with francis about how i've been struggling this year to figure out how to face grief that i run from for a long time. here's a preview

57-years-old. and, you know, from the outside i guess relatively high functioning. and yet as soon as i think about my dad my voice cracks it's stuns me that that happens now, like i feel like shouldn't i be over this to the boy, to your heart, to your soul? my time doesn't matter at all. it's grief that hasn't really fully been honored there's a request from seoul from grief that says we must honor these losses if we don't, they really become like a sediment and wages down i put it in a box and i thought i'd dealt with it and live my life and suddenly now i feel like it is banging on the door is this a problem? i mean, it's nice in some ways because i'm feeling yes, because i've dead in myself for decades. >> yes. i mean, you've lived strategically how do i, how do i avoid those steps? but at

some point the strategies fail and then something more genuine has asked to be encountered so when this touch issue, i can say, is this a problem or is this actually a deepening of you drawing you into the depths of where your father still lives where your brothers still lives, they still are there and when we honor them, we are deepened, we are ripened that that take your time that idea that i mean, it amazes me sitting here you say those words and the idea of they ring very true to me the idea that deep inside me, my dad is still alive and my brothers saw alive. and it's the grief that is the nit between the two of you so when we refuse to feel

the grief and the sense we're pushing that relationship far away know people say, i get to keep the love of those who have died. well, the only way you get to keep that as by honoring the rights of grief, the rights of love involve grave shouldn't i be over this should not have evolved, took place where i can sort of think fondly of the memories i have without it bringing jurors might highs i think those tears are holy and they speak to how much you loved your father and your brother, and your mother those tears are the current expression of that relationship i wrote the grief is one of the most powerful solvents it can soften the hardest places in us and can loosen and open our hearts again that's what i see happening to you that right now, all the strategies are failing right now.

>> what's here is what's present between us in this conversation the vulnerability of that, the tenderness of that that's when. i can feel you that's when you're actually in the room you can hear more of my conversation with france as well. >> and this week's episode of my podcast, all there is is available wherever you get your podcast. you can also point your camera at the qr code on the screen. click on the link. you can also get the episode wherever you listen to podcast yes, as i said, or at our new online grief community at cnn.com forward slash, all there is online. you can connect with me there and others living with grief, leave comments, share your own experiences of well, you can also listen to the podcast's, watch a video version of the podcast, which is also available on the youtube channel on cnn channel on youtube. check out the new online grief community. cnn cnn.com forward slash. all there is online. it's a way i hope you can feel a little less lonely in your grief. the news continues right here on cnn