physicians mutual? have i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn right now on cnn this morning i she's lazy as hell 13 days to go. donald trump bashing kamala harris on the trail, taking aim of her schedule with that insult plus kind of generals that hitler had the harris campaign looking to seize on a new report in the phrases final days as the trump campaign pushes back and would you consider if you went and he's convicted of pardon for former president trump, have not going to get into those

pardon the former president if she wins and you gotta lock him up president biden's message for new hampshire democrats on the potential of a second trump term. >> right? 6:00 a.m. here on the east coast. a live look at tonight stage for cnn's presidential town hall, featuring kamala harris, moderated by our own anderson cooper it's going to take place in the critical battleground state of pennsylvania epicenter of it all good morning, everyone. >> i'm kasie hunt. it's wonderful to have you with us just 13 days until election day. and this morning a stark warning from donald trump's former chief of staff, the retired marine corps general john kelly about what a second trump term would mean for america certainly, father president

certainly not authoritarian dictators. >> he has said that so he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist sure kelly going on the record with the new york times, the paper reporting the kelly decided to speak out now because he's deeply disturbed by these comments from trump it is the enemy from within and they're very dangerous. we have china, we have a russia, we have all these countries. if you have a smart president that they can all be handled the more difficult, or, you know, that pelosi's these people, this so sick and they're so evil this as the atlantic reports that while he was president trump said, quote, i need the kind of generals that hitler had, people who were

totally loyal to him that follow orders editor in chief jeffrey goldberg attributes that to two sources who heard the exchange. >> the trump campaign denies that he said it, but john kelly told the new york times this that hitler did some good things to live. of course if you know, history. again, i think he's lacking in that but if you know what his, you know, hitler was all about viewed be pretty hard to make an argument that he did anything good so while trump is spending his final days on the trail telling locker room stories about all the palmar, serving up fries at mcdonald's it's worth remembering that he's also said this he says you're not going to be a dictator, are you? i said no, no, no other than day one what closing the border. and we're drilling drilling drilling after that, i'm not addition course, that was just a joke

maybe it was but when trump has been given the opportunity to explain his comments about using the us military against the enemy from within that comment that led john kelly to speak out. >> now, trump has responded this way but again, that's a political opponent who's got enemy know, he's a well, he's of course, he's an enemy. >> he's an enemy. >> that's an enemy from within. >> that's really that is a threat to democracy. these are bad people. we have a lot abed people. but when you look at shifty schiff and some of the others, yeah, they are to me the enemy from within, i think nancy pelosi is an enemy from within she lied she was supposed to protect the capitol so with less than two weeks until election day, with many of my sources in both parties pointing to signs that momentum is with donald trump in these final days. it is worth marking a moment when one of the people who knows trump's first presidency best it was in the

room with him for years and has devoted his own life entirely to serving the united states of america, tells us this he certainly the only president that has all been rejected what america is all about and what makes america america terms of our constitution what makes america, america joining us now to talk about all of this, elliott williams, cnn legal analyst jonathan alter, the author of american reckoning, kendra barkat, former press secretary to joe biden and matt gorman, former senior adviser to tim scott's presidential campaign. >> welcome to all of you. thank you for being here. >> jonathan, you've spent a lot of time thinking about history. >> you've seen and covered a lot of that american history everything, our media environment is so fragmented everything flies by us. so fast now that it seems sometimes in these final moments of the campaign, you can lose sight of what we're really grappling with here but when the headline

in the atlantic is the trump wants his generals to be more like they want it like hitler's generals. and you have these comments on the record from kelly, who's been very careful about how and when he decides to speak out, it does collectively make a significant statement about where we are yes, we're at a moment of national truth this is the most significant election since 18, 64 when if abraham lincoln had lost, there would have been a separate peace with the south as trump said last week, he favored, we would've had a confederacy no abolition. so this election is as big as that. we now have the former chief of staff to donald trump, the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, top military officer. they both used the f-word fascist this is not a drill. and when he talks about oh, enemies from within he's not just talking about

political rivals. he said the pelosi's plural this poor 82-year-old man, a husband nancy pelosi, who had his skull fractured. trump is joking about it. when he's still in the hospital now he's saying that because paul pelosi's connection and nancy pelosi, he's an enemy from within to anybody. was in any way connected to any of his rivals. is subject to the full force of his government. if he is returned to the oval office, this is dead serious. casey, people have to wake up and understand our whole system is at stake in this election. >> well, and of course the question and this is something that john kelly has talked about and focused on in been quoted as talking about ai is the u.s of the united states military and the ways in which when trump was in office, he would suggest and keli would have to push back on using the u.s military in the united states of america. and we

didn't play the initial comment yet that donald trump had made about using the united states military in the context of election day. so let's just watch that as a reminder the bigger problem are the people from within. >> we have some very bad people. we have some sick people, radical left, lunatics. >> and i think it should be very easily handled by, if necessary, by national guard or if really necessary by the military they, because they can't let that happen matt gorman, a number of republicans have been asked about those comments. they've struggled to answer questions about that. him saying that is why according to the times, kelly decided to do all of this on the record does, this make a difference? >> and it does seem as though it's hard to defend. do you think if trump is president again, that the same kind of guardrails that existed in the first presidency where you had these military officers saying and doing these things would exist again, i'm skeptical. >> it will matter, right? i think in setting aside, i have some skepticism at the goldberg strikes some other reasons, but

i think setting aside this, i think under two weeks, i think the noise is just added all time high right now. and also let's just be honest we're assuming divided country and the fact that if this is going to move anybody in the margin, think it's very unlikely at the moment. and especially because we live in such two completely different universes on this sort of thing. so i am very skeptical at this point in the game. if this is going to matter at all. and candidly, after read the article, nor should it in some respects, but it's a whole different thing kendra i think to disagree with you on the nor should it piece. i mean, we should be very scared about our future. should there be a donald trump presidency number two, he has said he wants to use the active duty military for the george floyd protests he has disrespected our military every step of the way, both alive and dead. and the fact that people can't remember hitler killed millions and millions of jews other people. and the fact that

he wants his generals to be more like hitler. we should be really scared and it should be a wake-up call to every american. >> well, i'm kelly also recounts that he tried to explain to trump that in several instances, hitler's own generals actually tried to take him down because of what he was doing. >> look, the big question for people to decide in the next two weeks is whether the tax cut and federal judges are worth it because the trade-off is this gamble. and at this point it's not even a gamble given what, how the first four years the trump administration went and what it appears you would get without the guardrails of the john kellys and other people do restrain his impulses around him. is it actually worth it? and many people right now seem to think that it is somebody who said it's a very close election and that's just for people to decide jonathan one of the other notes in the atlantic story that stood out to me is that goldberg reports trump has responded incredulously when

told that american military personnel swear an oath to the constitution and not to the president and that is really the central thing that makes america different from other countries that and the peaceful transfer of power. and we know about this response to that. so this is a man who has routinely violated his oath of office. to uphold the constitution, not his a license for his personal power. he admires dictators vladimir putin, is the only person the whole world is never say anything critical about and he wants to be a strong man. so america has to ask itself, do we want an american putin? that's what's on offer in this election and republicans can rationalize as much as they want. they don't want to face the truth here. they know the truth. they're trying to like, they think i don't know that somehow be restrained in a second term, please? we know

that that's not the case so this is a moment for conscience of every republican, every independent. they really have to ask themselves, am i willing to take this risk after john kelly mark milley tom esper, all of these people who worked for him mark mark esper. this is a dangerous man. >> do you really want to go into the polls, pull the lever for a dangerous one to our republic, really, even if you don't go as far as saying a dangerous individual, the words that have come out of his mouth and get explained away as jokes or casual talk or whatever else. >> are quite concerning and ought to be quite concerning. and i think there's a russian and this is what jonathan is getting at. there is a rush to sort of explain them away. that's a pretty big gamble to take particularly based on what you already know about how this person would be likely to govern based on those around us they met. >> are you confident if trump becomes president again, he won't cross a line and how he

uses the u.s. military i think so for a couple of reasons. >> i depends also who we staffs its width and that's also the interesting part is as we've talked about this, who go in that trump administration, right? think that's the open question at home this all right. >> well 13 days still ahead here on cnn this morning generation z voters will dive into how changes and that demographic could decide the balance of power in the next congress plus election security, how officials across the country are working around the clock to fight misinformation ahead of november 5, and lock him up. president biden, raising eyebrows with his comments about donald trump >> it sounds like if i said this five years ago, you'd lock me up we gotta lock him up before election day vice president harris bases voters and takes the pressing questions, lie anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential

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was of course, nodding to align used by donald trump and echoed by his supporters for nearly a decade. now, we heard it at a rally just last month what bring in a. minute levels that nobody's ever seen it. we're doing it by stupid people like commonly she is a stupid person stupid i don't care. >> i don't >> our panel is back. we've been having a conversation about what american's america's norms and of course this is something that was introduced with trump's rallies and hillary clinton. but kendra, i mean, joe biden saying this mean it does seem to me that if they want to come against americans, that their trump is incorrect in saying that there is a politically motivated thing here. they got to keep their noses clean. 100% of the time what did what did you see what from the president there should have gotten that far. >> i mean, he clarified his remarks. he, you know, he he said lock him out and politically i think, he he said

those remarks, but he pretty quickly clarified it. it wasn't hours later. >> but look at lucky my it's i would he said walk him out. he he walked up i think the fact that people are jumping on it is pretty ironic given the fact that we just saw clips of donald trump's saying but she's this she's that maybe she's on drugs, maybe this i mean, the fact is this is what donald trump makes stuff up day in and day out, and just throw stuff out there and he you know, he's all about the chanting. i think it's just an ironic thing from him. >> i mean, just started at the 2016 convention when former general flynn is leading chants of lock her up. hillary clinton. so it's pretty rich for them to be complaining about at this point. it's always, what about ism with this craft? >> yeah, but there's a couple of things going on here. more than anything else. it was such a profoundly stupid thing for the president to say, here's why it played aid directly into

the central point that donald trump and folks around him have made, which is that the country has this overweening justice department top-down from the president going after its rivals. now, that's not true. it's patently false. but people buy it and believe in donald trump has been spreading that nonsense all along by merely saying the word let's he walked off of them and backed off it by merely articulating it even as an accident, he gave fire to that nonsense now, to be clear, and i want to echo cameras point. this isn't a both sides thing. we've spent the last 19.5 minutes of this program talking about comments from donald trump about dictatorship, the use of the military, calling his opponent and stupid and on and on and on. it's not that it's entirely unfair to pick one joe biden comment, a pretty egregious one, compared to everything donald joe biden downturn is best served last few weeks. i mean, you had them essentially tying himself with kamala harris. she's been a response for everything. he's done in administration shan

rebutting story with desantis and her in the phone call over the hurricane. and now this you can see why they don't want him out that much. >> yeah. >> that's for sure. >> all right. jonathan, thank you so much for being with us. >> i really appreciate you coming through and enjoy your perspective. >> thanks. >> all right. coming up next on cnn this morning. state election officials working to stop a growing wave if of misinformation as the election nears longtime elections, attorney ben ginsberg is going to be here to discuss kamala harris, tonight at nine eastern on cnn should check out, inspire know mask, no hose just sleep, inspire, learn more and you important safety information it inspires sleep.com hadn't take airborne. >> it has seven nutrients to help fill those holes. your immune system on hold

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imagination. >> it's wonderful to have you here kara, what are we looking at? >> this leaf peeping industry is actually a multi-billion-dol lar industry along the east coast. so they pay attention to the weather, how the fall colors. just like this leaf paper, extraordinary. i love this time of year and the dry conditions are certainly impacting it. but here's the current state of the fall foliage right now, if you're looking for those maples, they are looking mean fantastic right along the coastline of maine through connecticut, the aspen's are on fire right now near flagstaff, arizona as well. bit of information that you know that an deciduous trees leaves are actually yellow and orange. it's the chlorophyll and the photosynthesis that actually makes them change colors. once we have that autumn move in and the cool weather, then we start to lose the sunlight and that removes the chlorophyll and the changes of the colors exceed. now, look at this. this is what's happening across the mid atlantic dc peak is coming, but it has been very drive. so that means a vibrant peak, but it'll be shorter lasting this time, 23 consecutive days, both

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the rounds on social media well before valid started to be cast now with just 13 days left until election day and early voting well underway in multiple states. >> cnn reports that state and local election officials have their hands full combatting these kinds of falsehoods in real time. >> and they're preparing for it to get worse donald trump speaking at a roundtable in miami this week, suggesting his team is preparing for quote, bad things, referencing the 2020 election, which of course he still claims that he won. i appreciate let's see what happens because it all does it matter if because you know, bad things happen. so very, very bad things happened last time. and but this time we don't have covid and it's going to be a lot harder for them to do bad things. so we're going to see we have tremendous people who have tremendous, we have a lot of lawyers working who have lawyers working numbers of lawyers nobody's ever seen before. because we're not going to play games kamala harris, preparing for a different kind of scenario telling nbc news that her campaign has teams in

place for a hypothetical scenario in which trump prematurely declares victory of course this is a person donald trump, who tried to undo a free and fair election, who still denies the will of the people who incited a violent mob to attack the united states capitol and 140 law enforcement officers were attacked. >> some were killed this is a serious matter all right, or panel's back, down to discuss republican election. >> lawyer ben ginsberg. ben, wonderful to have you on the show. great to be here we of course have known each other for many presidential election cycles. and you have seen so much in your long career but what we are seeing now in this moment is it seems to me a unique and historic challenge for our system what are you most concerned about as we look to election day and especially

in the wake of the doubt that donald trump sowed in many americans minds about the 2020 election. what we can see this time, one long-term, one short term. >> the long term is that all these unfounded challenges about the election system are corroding faith in a basic american institution. that has really negative ramifications for whoever wins this election because it's just much harder to govern if a third of the country doesn't believe in elections and the peaceful transfer of power. the short-term worry is that somehow voters will not be able to cast their ballots in and all the jury restrictions and something might happen on election day that all the overheated rhetoric will lead to to certain events. now, the positive sign is that in going around the country and talking to election officials they are so much better prepared than in 2020 that community leaders

around the country are much more stepping up to support election officials. we've urged people across the political spectrum to kick the tires of the election system. and election officials are really historically transparent in being able, in being willing to answer all the questions people, no matter how much they doubt the veracity of the system is there any place on the map where you are particularly concerned? >> well, the seven battleground states are really the places of, but would you pull out i guess that's my question. >> will there are sorted nasty histories in all of them in each we've gotten we've got system so where each state is different we have a fierce federalism, we believe in local control of our elections. and so any of the seven states knows that it's got certain issues to deal with, but again,

the election officials in each one of those states are preparing for tendencies in a way that they weren't four years ago, right? >> so back on december 4 of 2020, you were writing looking at this issue, so it's take people back in time. donald trump at this point, it's spent about a month filing lawsuits, making challenges to the election, but we have not yet hit january sixth, 2021. but even at that point, you read you wrote this, the country was lucky that president trump and his reelection campaign were so inept. he ultimately lost by a wide margin and his challenges to the results have been farcical. his rhetoric ramped up in inverse proportion ramped up in inverse proportion to his ability to produce evidence supporting his charges of systemic fraud or rigged elections. and the united states might not be so lucky next time, what if the 2020 election had been at so close as it was in 2000 and the outcome hinge on a state or states with truly narrow

margin, how would the country of fared under a trump style assault on democracy? foresees foundations trump's attempts to negate millions of votes by challenging state certifications revealed cracks in those foundations. some shoring up is clearly needed. before the next election cycle begins. and you've talked about how they are better prepared. but do you think this shoring up that you again warned about before we saw what happened on january 6, does actually happened and this election is likely to be incredibly close if we're gonna believe the polls. >> i do believe the shoring up has happened and that all americans are being are going to be able to cast their ballots. and those ballots will be counted securely. now that doesn't mean that the rhetoric won't be just as he did last time. but remember that the things we were talking about in december and took were part that were then ongoing lawsuits in each of those battleground states. and in none of the 64 cases that donald trump and his supporters filed, was there any

evidence of fraud? absolutely not. and as a result, that will put the rhetoric this time if it's similar in an historical context about there just is no proof of fraud. so donald trump having all these lawyers and all these people in polling places is actually good because they will be witness to whatever happens. >> it will either find things wrong on election day and there'll be fixed or if there there is no evidence to be produced afterwards, like last time then you'll know that the election was totally legitimate i commend your sunny optimism at a faith in the system. and american people, i think courts will see it that way, having recognized that there were 64, 65 base so let's challenges, but there's a wide subset of the population that has bought into the narrative that our election system is broken, can't be trusted, that all systems are part of an

overweening deep state coming to take us all down and i'm not as optimistic that the same challenges this year, even if base was don't still animate a big segment of the population. >> kendra, you concerned about here? >> yeah. i mean, look there already putting up fences around the capital. now. it's october because i think there is some concern of what is the potential that can happen and so you know, i concerned about all of these things that people are going to. there's something catastrophe could happen on election day in terms of, you know, to a polling place or to vote in place, excuse me. i'm concerned about, you what happens in our united states capitol. should donald trump say this is not i was, i won and there are a lot of things that i think could could potentially happen. >> always. i mean, that's why that's why we're better prepared because we're thinking about them so much. >> remember back in 2020, people weren't really focused

on all these problems that could occur. so that's part of the, the improvement of thanks it's a valid point that so many people have this distrust of the system it tends to be the losing candidate's people who always say that and we are in the heightened political season it is a fair point to worry about that concern. that's a little legitimacy of our form of government. but i think the transparency of election officials in transparency with which this election will be held, and the dedication of all those election officials out there will actually, once you break it down, be good all alright. >> we did see quite a few elections officials really step up in 2020 as well. many of them republicans, just call up geoff duncan and brad raffensperger and asked him how that all went. all right. ben ginsburg, so grateful to have you on the show. thank you so much for being here. >> all right. straight ahead here on cnn this morning, gen z-ers sounding off to our

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generation z voters overwhelmingly negative view of congress is according to polls in line with other peers, 53% of voting age members of gen z say they've got very little trust in congress. part of a broader pattern. the generations waning faith in american institutions in many ways, their frustration with capitol hill that dissimilar to millennial or baby boomer counterparts. most of it stemming from partisan politics it just infuriates me how they govern things should be passed, like within a few pages, it shouldn't be hundreds of pages that we tried to ram through just to put a bunch of bs together won't pass comments since bills that are introduced by the other side just so that the other side doesn't get a win. >> even when those bills would be good for the country. that's depressing it's actually pretty remarkably if sharp take on how congress often operates joining our panel. now, the moderator that focus group pollster communication strategist frank

luntz. frank, good morning. wonderful to have you back. >> good morning. to times new york times, doing this great series on these gen z voters. why they feel the way that they do. and that's an example that we shouldn't forget. about what's happening in congress in the end, oliver, attention has been on the presidential race the democrats are within striking distance of taking control of the house and the republicans are more likely than not to take control. the senate. this stuff matters and the same kind of negativity the same kind of disappointment and even anger exists in these lower offices and it makes me concern what happens after the election. can they come together? can they believe that the system actually works? >> yeah. well, that's exactly kind of what i wanted to hit on here with you because when we hear them talk about congress and again, and congress's approval ratings historically low, people tend to like they're member but are frustrated with the whole place. but this sort of basic lack of trust in our institutions is something that kind of goes through.

>> it's a thread that ties it all together. how do you look at that in the context of the presidential race, the race for congress, all of it. >> i can accept a lack of trust. what i cannot accept them, we should not accept his belief that government is actually against us, that they are hostile to us, that they are stealing from us in the end. a healthy skepticism as good in a democracy but not this belief that they're out to hurt us and another belief which is that if they didn't exist at all, we'd actually be better off. there's some people in washington on both sides. they wanted to tear the entire institution down. don't care if it doesn't function, don't care if relief aid isn't given. for example that's a real problem because it's like it's like the hate that democratic institutions to keep us together for i don't want to ask you about a young men in particular because you're out there conducting focus groups like this one. john della volpe bay, who was a biden pollster,

but it's also polls for harvard young people particular wrote this interesting piece for the new york times talking about young men. and he says this, today's young men are lonelier than ever, have inherited a world rifle skepticism toward the institutions designed to promote and defend american ideals like we were just talking about, men under 30, nearly twice as likely to be single as women, their age, gen z men less likely to enroll in college or the working for some previous generations they have higher rates of suicide. there are less likely than their female peers to achieve receive treatment for mental health. mr. trump has tapped these anxieties by weaving a hyper-masculine message of strength and defiance in his broader narrative that undermines confidence in democratic institutions. and it's working. do you agree with him? is it working to a great degree? >> yes. but let's look at the whole picture. young women think that kamala harris is their hero, that she represents what they want to be at some point in their lifetime. and her ads are completely gender driven trump is doing exactly

the same thing on the male side, it's a mirror image of each other. she's doing in a more positive way. trump's doing in a more negative way, but they're doing the same thing the dividing the country by gender. you can see it in her ads, in his ads and i'm not sure that's the way to go, particularly as we end this campaign, we need to find ways that you and i agree with each other. rather than reasons for us to hate each other, i appreciate that optimistic framing, but i will say that'll these final two weeks off and everyone is actually doing the opposite frank, i want to know what you what your perspective is on obviously, we're in the final and i'll weeks here. >> we're starting to get actual numbers in terms of early vote, it goes a little bit beyond the polling. now, we have more to work with in terms of understanding where the electorate is, what's going to happen. a lot of my sources feel like the momentum is actually with trump at this moment and that, that is potentially putting him on track to win on election night, perhaps in a bigger way than the very close polling helene would suggest. what do you think? where are you about? what do you think about where we are now? >> i can't call it and i'm not asking you to call it. i'm just

asking you to help us understand like where's that momentum going? >> it is heading towards trump, but what's interesting is that with harris focused on why she should be elected president. that's when the numbers grew. she's had the best 60 days of any presidential candidate today, a modern history then the moment did she turned anti-trump and focused onto him and said, don't vote for me, vote against him that's when everything froze. and the fact is donald trump is defined. he's not gaining, he is not losing his who he is as vote is where it is. xi is less well-defined. and if she continues just to define his race as vote against trump, she's going to stay where she is now. and she may lose all right. >> frank luntz. thanks very much for joining us. really appreciate it all right. >> 52 minutes past the hour. here's your morning roundup. former ceo of abercrombie and fitch, mike jeffries, indicted on federal sex trafficking charges he and two associates who are accused of recruiting men to take part in, quote, sex events while he worked at the company. jeffries is out on a 10 million bond. his

arraignment friday new this morning, american airlines find $50 million for violating rules that protect people who use wheelchairs. federal investigators say the airline mishandled and damaged wheelchairs and did not give adequate with assistance to disabled passengers. american says they've been working on improving how to handle these situations the georgia supreme court upholding a block on controversial official election laws pioneered by trump allies in that state. one of those included hand-counting all ballots across the critical battleground state on election day. democrats and others argued the changes could delay the results and cause chaos all right, let's turn back now to the final 13 days of this campaign during kamala harris is interview with nbc news. she was repeatedly asked about her stance on gender, affirming care. watch your answer. >> my who believe they should have that access? >> i believed that people as the law states, even on this

issue about federal law, that that is a decision that doctors will make in terms of what is medically necessary. i'm not going to put myself in the position of a doctor. >> what do you want the lgbtq plus community to know as they're looking for a full throated backing from you for trans, for trans americans i believe that all people should be treated with dignity and respect period and should not be vilified for who they are and should not be bullied for who they are so this topic has become the central theme and a $14,000,000 ad campaign from donald trump and his allies. in the closing race, closing weeks of this race, watch kamala is for you i'm donald j. >> trump and i approve this message right. >> our panel is back. matt gorman, i want to ask you about this because this is something that the trump campaign is putting real money behind,

which is something i think it's always important to focus on in the final weeks, you can have lots of shiny objects, but this is clearly a message. they're spending on. you saw kamala harris answer there, how big of an issue do you think this is in swing states? >> i think it is for a couple of reasons also, because i was watching football sunday and that was where this ad ran, right. and also if you look, the start of the ad has charlemagne tha god and his co-host talking about this? so no notice was flanking trump in that still it was african-american mentioned very clear who this is targeted towards men and african-america n men even more to put a finer point on it, this is a more, i think republicans feel they can go on offense on a culture war issue. and you see again, harris doesn't have a good, crisp answer to this and it's, it's an issue 100%. and going back to frank wants a few moments ago, the points that he'd made about gender divides and men not doing as well in college and having families and substance abuse and suicide and so on, if he put the word black before that, the divides even more stark. and this mass hyper-masculine stuff,

particularly when it comes to gender, gender berman, care, and so on, really resonates with black man. and there's no question that if there's one core audience being targeted in those ads is black man. >> i mean, kendra, you can see why harris did seem to have some trouble answering this question she does have if progressive history, the beginning of that ad sites where she had talked about inmates getting getting care getting this care in prison she has struggled with how much to turn to the center in the final weeks of this race, do you think she could have been stronger in that interview on this? and do you think this is a problem for her or not? >> i mean, look, i think she has the had a mess said all along with it. whether it's women's access to health care and a choice between yourself and your doctor making those decisions. i mean, i think she she did answer the question in the sense that like it should be not her say on whether or not you're going to do something to your to your body oh look, i think at the end of the day, women and men or

whoever is going to be transgender, understand where she is on this. i do think that the trump campaign is putting these ads in places where people will see them and people football. all of those things. but it i think at the end of the day this is about i don't control of your own body, which is ironic given that republicans basically want the states to dictate you know, the abortion care and all of those kinds of things. >> i think this is also a danger for college because you're she started do interviews where there's no point in no message and no new she's making out of that. she's doing that just to do them. it's always the danger no matter what party you are politicians would just do we interviews to get out there. and so when the takeaway from these interviews that she spent the entire day doing prepping. this was nbc and telemundo were the old ones you did was that it talking about abortion not in the way she wanted to. that's tough. >> interesting. all right. we also have this new this morning, james carville who of course longtime strategist from from the bill clinton era, has a new opinion piece out in the times the new york times this

morning, the headline runs a little contrary to, i think what i've referenced throughout the show and throughout the week about people that i speak to feeling that donald trump may have some momentum behind him here in the final weeks, the headline is this, james carville, why i'm certain kamala harris we will when we're constantly told, he writes america is too divided to hopelessly stricken by tribalism to grasp the stakes that is plain wrong. if the cheneys and aoc get that the constitution and our democracy are on the ballot. every true conservative and true progressive should get it to a vast majority of americans are rational, reasonable people have goodwill. i refused to believe that the same country that has time and time again overcome its mistakes to bend its future toward justice will make the same mistake twice american overcame mr. trump in 2020. i know that we are better than this. >> elliot williams is. >> i'm certain commonwealth will win or he hopes the kamala harris will win that that is a beautiful, optimal mystik message that he's putting out there, but it doesn't appear to track where polls are right now, which shows a horse race,

particularly in those seven swing states. so it's hard to know, but, but it's a powerful message that he's laid out. yeah. >> i mean, i think we've said all along this is going to be a very, very close race. i think it is closer than people even imagined it would be, which is why i think the stuff like john kelly coming out and doing the interview and talking to the new york times about what he has seen with trump. and the military piece. i think will be more important in a lot of ways than then james carville, happy birthday. >> james carville also numbered number one and number to watch there. watch kidneys actions at their word the actions of khan layers campaign tells me that they're at least, at least lose momentum, maybe not losing. >> that's more important than i believe what the words of the campaign's reactions in the interviews into the tactics of the campaign. >> doing more interviews, trying to draw him out, rather than not really interesting. alright, thank you all for being here. less than two weeks ago. all right. thanks to all love you for joining us as well. i'm always happy to have you. i'm kasie hunt. don't go anywhere. cnn new central starts right now