know him best, from the people who worked with him side-by-side in the oval office in the situation room and it is clear from john kelly's words that donald trump is someone who i quote, certainly falls into the general definition of fascist who in fact vowed to be a dictator on day one and vowed to use the military as his personal militia to carry out his personal and trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable in a second term, people like john kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions those who wants tried to stop him from pursuing his worst impulses would no longer be there and no longer be there to

reinim in the bottom line, is this. we know what donald trump wants. he wants unchecked power the question in 13 days will be, what do the american people want thank you president kamala harris speaking there from the vice president's residence at the naval observatory essentially calling out donald trump reiterating reporting that trump's former chief of staff, john kelly told reporters that trump invoked hitler during conversation saying that he wanted generals that were as loyal as hitler's generals. >> she went on to say that it is deeply troubling and dangerous than trump would compare himself to hitler. obviously, the former german leader responsible for millions of deaths hundreds of thousands of american deaths, millions of jews killed in the holocaust she described trump as unhinged and unstable and also added

that in a second trump administration, there would be no john kellys around too restrain him from his worst instincts? >> yeah. she's trying to say that he is increasingly unhinged and unstable and that what he wants his unchecked power, she's trying to say, you we've seen him before, but actually this is going to be a different thing if he is reelected let's we have a soundbite. let's listen to it certainly father president is in the far-right area. >> surely, no, sorry. karen dictators. he has said that so he certainly falls into the general definition of fascist for sure, because you bore the ones that did hit what did some good things to those are some of the comments that have created this moment that harris

is trying to capitalize here in this race. let's bring in our panel here to talk a little bit about this. kristen soltis anderson, karen finney, and jim sciutto with us. kristin, what do you think about what you're seeing here as harris is trying to highlight this moment which does sort port of hue to the reporting that we've had at cnn, which is that she does want to do this. she wants to highlight where donald trump is having these moments that may be alarming to some voters. >> i think it's clear that the strategy in the last week or two has been to pivot back to this messaging about donald trump as a threat to democracy. and i suspect the reason for this is that they view very reliable republican voters who are skeptical of donald trump, maybe not as someone that they could convince to outright vote for harris, but they can convince them do really want to go to sleep at night knowing you voted for donald trump. and if they can plant that seed in the minds of another off of these republicans who really don't like trump. i think

it's clear that that is a strategy they want to pursue this reporting is obviously pretty serious and it seems clear with her taking the bold step of saying, i'm going to do a press conference in the middle of the day. taking questions, but i'm going to do a statement in the middle of the day. it's clear this is a message they want to drive home. yeah. i think there's actually a couple of other things too. there's in pennsylvania over the weekend and women voters who i spoke to who had previously voted for trump. what they said was, i just he keeps talking about revenge and i'm worried. what about me? this is a woman who was concerned about social security recently diagnosed with cancer, her health care is on her mind i don't hear him talking about me. i hear him talking about revenge. and my husband and i are worried about that so i think part of it is also to say if he's so focused on revenge, he's not going to be focused on, you voting for him as a risk. is it a risk you're willing to take? and we think he's focused on, he is not focused on you. he's focused on himself and i think they're trying to do a couple of things. and frankly, suppress votes of people who

may not vote for her. but maybe they're just say, you know, i'm just talking both this time, won't vote for him again, jim. in your most recent book, you actually published conversations you had with the former chief of staff, john kelly, in which she details this fascination that trump has for hitler, praised, i mean, if there's a historical figure that you would think everyone could agree on, you cannot say a kind word about it would be adolf hitler i expect, right? so let me quote john kellys firsthand account. john kelly, 40 year marine general rose from enlisted men to the highest rank of four-star general, gold star, father as well. here is his firsthand account of trump talking about hitler. he said, well hitler, he did some good things. i said, well what? and he said, well, hitler rebuilt the economy. but what did he do with that rebuilt economy? he turned it against his own people and against the world. and i said, sir, you can never say anything good about the guy, nothing i mean, mussolini was a great guy by comparison i

should also note that kelly recounted how he much like jeffrey goldberg found in is atlantic piece also talked about how nazi generals, hitler's generals, were more loyal to him then american generals were to trump. now, this is again, his chief of chief-of-staff recounting words he heard from trump in his face directly. the other point i would make about this is that the praise for hitler is, and the praise for strong man, authoritarians around the world is not limited to him because trump has said and continues to say, by the way, not in private but in public, kind and praising words about xi jinping vladimir putin, kim jong un, viktor urban, who have, who are not just authoritarians, but have committed crimes against their own people, right? turn the state against he's, he's saying those praising things as he's talking about an enemy within in this country. so the comments aren't just shocking. there also consequential in that they give you a sense of how we

might govern we want to keep this conversation going, but we do want to go to alayna treene, who is in georgia following donald trump because there is some reaction from the trump campaign. alayna, what are you hearing? >> that's right there is we have heard a number of trump advisers and people like mark meadows, kash patel really heavily pushing back on this. i'm going to read for you something that stephen chung, a top trump campaign advisor told me in response to some of this last night, he said quote boat, that kelly had totally beclowned himself with these debunked stories. he has fabricated because he failed to serve his president. well while working as chief of staff and currently suffers from a debilitating case of trump derangement syndrome. so clearly, they are pushing back very heavily on this, but i do want to take a step back because i you have covered donald trump for a number of years. i also was covering the white house when john kelly was serving as donald trump's chief of staff. and i think it's important to add the context of who john on kelly's he served

in the military also, i'd note that his son was killed and he also served in the military. so this is something that is deeply personal to kelly. i know that he is someone who very much takes the constitution very seriously and he took that role very seriously. i think that's why when you listen to some of the recordings from the new york times you heard him say that he had told donald trump in the past while they were in the white house that i don't serve you. i'm serving the constitution. so that's some of the contexts around and this, but also, i don't think we can overstate how big of a development this is coming just two weeks before the election. we know that it's not just kelly among those who have served with donald trump when he was in office, who have been kind of trying to raise alarm bells about what it would mean for him to be president. once again, we've also heard criticisms from i'm mark milley, from jim mattis from john bolton, from bill barr. a lot of people who had served with him and i think the timing of these comments is important. because i think you're really

seeing people on the 11th hour now say a lot of this publicly and to that point as well, kelly, this isn't entirely surprising from him. he has been very critical hello, donald trump in the past. and i know privately, he has made similar comments about what has been said, the conversations between the two of them. i think the reason that he's taking it public now is clear so because he wants this to be seen in front of voters right before this november 5 election. now, look when i talked to other trump advisers about this, this is really that statement i just read is kind of, you know, all of what they are saying. they're pushing back on this, they're saying the generals who had served with him or those who have been criticizing donald trump over some of these comments that they argue are not true. they're saying this is because donald trump has since turned on them. and so that's what you're going to hear a lot of his advisers continue to say now as for georgia today, and whether or not donald trump will address this. i have a hard time believing that he's going to talk about this either at his staff, his style, his first stop here in georgia for joe, which is in a zebulon when

he's meeting with faith leaders. and then later today he's going to be doing a much larger rally hosted by turning point action but again, i think i can not over state the importance of the timing of this and also to keep in mind where these are coming from, which is john kelly oleyna thing thank you so much for that. and just important to note these may be folks who are not in with donald trump anymore, but it just may mean they're not covering for him anymore, which is something that we saw during the trump administration, but also just to the point just to the point of the folks in the trump orbit, jim, who are trying to back trump up and saying that he didn't didn't see this. you have kash mattel and mark meadows and these are two individuals who are incredibly their fates, their financial fates, and how linked they are to trump on this. these, these aren't independent arbiters. >> listen, one thing i'll say about john kelly. john kelly has no desire as a man who

served in uniform because he believes that the men and women in uniform should not play a political role. he resisted going public look with this. i've had conversations with him face-to-face. i asked him, do you want to go on cnn and discuss this that's not my plate. plate. so him going public and that began his background comments than they began then they went to on the record comments in print and now you have a recording out there is something he does not do lightly. he is not desperate to be on tv he does. he is not desperate to be the center of headlines. in fact, quite the opposite. and then when you look at stephen chung and others, and by the way, i've gotten statements from stephen chung to the same degree when you come to him with first-hand accounts about trump comments before and it's a reflexive reflexive answer practically cut and pasted. so you have to place that statement against the reputations and credibility, not just of john kelly, but mark milley, mark esper served as defense secretary, his vice president, who is not endorsing seeing him, right? i mean members of

the cabinet, et cetera. so listen, it's you and i can't decide for anybody who we believe you can only say to folks who are watching right now, who do they find more credible. we're actually going to be speaking to former defense secretary esper later this afternoon. >> so stay tuned for that right now. i want to get out to eva mckend, who is live for us. at the, cnn town hall, the site of the cnn town hall that is expected later tonight with vice president kamala harris, eva, you've been having conversations with folks on the campaign. is this something that they saw themselves talking about just two weeks out from the election well, it's certainly part of a broader argument, boris, that the vice president has been making on the campaign trail that the former president has been exhibiting behavior, especially over the last several weeks in her view that illustrates that he is unhinged that he is unstable she's telling americans as she did today, do you want a leader in the white house who would view the military as their personal militia and the reason why she

has been holding these country over party events in an appeal to conservative voters, republican voters is they believe they have strength in this argument they're going to be voters that don't agree with her on every policy matter. >> but when it comes to this existential question and the future and the health of our democracy. the campaign very much believes they are in a strong position to make that argument. so that's why we saw the vice president almost engaging in a rapid good response here, talking about this in real time. that being said, they know that trump is not the only issue here. we expect her tonight at the town hall to lean heavily into her personal biography in an attempt to humanize herself, connect on a human level to the undecided and persuadable voters that will be asking her questions in this town hall tonight, as well as make an affirmative case for herself as she outlines her policy vision for america, which she describes as an opportunity

economy. but yes, calling out the former president sounding the alarm bell is also part of the campaign. argument as well. boris, brianna, even mckend live force in pennsylvania. >> you want to tune in for that town hall later tonight as well. it starts at 9:00 p.m. karen over to you it strikes me that the strategy here is partly tried to persuade some republicans for democrats, partly tried to have them see that maybe staying home is a better option. but how many of those folks are actually he's still out there because over the last 12 months, we've seen so many republicans, even those that criticize donald trump on january 6, that came out with all sorts of public statements against him. come home not just to the party, but to trump them. >> actually this weekend. but they come in different sort of categories. some are just genuinely agonizing over. does it even matter if i vote? am i even gotten to bother? and some are deciding, is it? gosh, i

don't there's things i don't know about her they have concerns about him and against particularly with younger voters, same thing. they know. >> we always say to them, this is your future and they know that but they also again, feel like they've voted in the past perhaps, and things didn't change enough. i'll tell you one thing. i think she has to do tonight, though. this conversation that we're having is really an elite media conversation and it is for certain level we will of voters. it's got to be brought down to the grassroots, to the people who live where she's going to be speaking. and that is to say not only did he treat the military this way when he was in office, he's currently actively trying to disenfranchise members of our military serving overseas. that's your sons and daughters that are serving that. maybe your sons and daughters who sacrifice their lives for our country and for our values. she's got to keep bringing some of these issues back down to this is how it affects you, right here, right now today and how your life will change if i'm president or won't change

if he is with the voting challenges to the uniformed and overseas? yes, absolutely. the challenge which is that they've had there with the voting base is still up in the air in pennsylvania. and we'll see if it continues in other states, the challenges, what do you looking for tonight, kristen? >> so i think the big question that she has yet to answer is what are your core values? she has put out policy ideas, bullet point lists. i'm going to do this on homebuyer tax credit. i'm going to do this on childcare and she's told us before about her bio. she's going to start a sentence tonight, you know, i grew up in a middle-class family like and put that on your bingo card. that's going to be there. but what i think voters are still wondering about to the extent anybody still has these questions, is there was 2019, 2020, kamala harris, and now there's liz cheney's my best friend. i own a gun kamala harris, where on that spectrum is her core who on the inside when she says my values have not changed what are those values? i think that is still

the question mark that she has not yet. she still haven't filled that in yet. and i think that's what she'll have to do tonight in jim, when it comes to her point about a second, trump administration and potentially who would serve and who might be the guardrails if any, what have you heard about a potential trump second term trump cabinet? well, listen to that category of republican and by the way, not all republicans, right? some are members of the military service who served both administrations like a mark milley, et cetera, we don't know exactly what their party registration is, regardless. that that category of person is it is very unlikely to be serving in a trump administration, in part because they don't want to. and in part because trump doesn't want to write the trump, trump wants to have. and he said it explicitly. more loyalists who are going to be willing to carry out an agenda that goes further than what we saw in the first term. so when you speak of guardrails unlikely that they are many of them will be present and by the way, that's not just we're not just imagining that that took place in the first first trump

term that i've reported about it with our colleagues have reported about at times when trump wanted do acts and they pulled him back. i'll just give you an example. trump by by accounts in my book and others have had this as well wanted to pull out of nato at the summit in 2018. and it was kelly and bolton who pulled him back. and by the way, he wanted to pull out because he felt like he wasn't treated well by the other nato the leaders at the time, there was not a grand strategic conversation about how we've got to realign ourselves towards whatever it was he was angry and he's like, i'm leaving and bolton and kelly in the moment we're able to pull him out of that. so if you imagine decision-making like that without those guardrails there might very well be consequences, very transactional track record of donald trump making decisions based on the personal versus what might be good for the country. jim kristin, karen, appreciate you all. thanks for joining us. the conversation. and of course, be sure to tune in tonight. anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential town hall with vice president kamala harris. >> again, it starts at 9:00 p.m. right here on cnn then

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from the people who know him best from the people who worked with him side-by-side in the oval office and in the situation room, donald trump is increasingly unhinged and unstable and in a second term people like john kelly would not be there to be the guardrails against his propensities and his actions joining us now to discuss is mark esper who served as defense secretary under president trump. >> secretary esper serves on the board or as a strategic advisor for a handful of aerospace and defense-related companies. secretary, thank you so much for being with us. first. do you have any reason to doubt general kelly's remarks not at all. >> boris, of course, we've heard these stories before and so what's new as a john kelly came out in his spoken to the press about it and he's on record, right? he's we have audio recordings of his

answers. so look, got john kelly as a man of great integrity and character and he served this nation well in uniform for decades. and then of course, out of uniform. and i've never had any reason whatsoever to endow to doubt his honesty or integrity were there ever any incidents secretary, that you have not previously spoken about in which you heard donald trump use similar language or refer to american military personnel and a derogatory fashion no, not along the lines that john kelly and others have outlined. >> of course, he incidents i recall is that he was he was very troubled by the fact that we would have america's wounded warriors out in public and he did not like that. and i had a couple of instances where we'd have to have that discussion and he would he just thought we should conceal them and our view was my view, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff was that these were america's heroes and was important to show the american people her colleagues, by the way, in the

service that when our heroes come home wounded, that we take care of them, and that we will be with them all the time and they weren't something to hide in the closet. but in many ways, something to hoist up and to celebrate as again, people who served our country, who gave all for for our nation chief of staff kelly also said that he believed that donald trump fell under the definition of a fascist. >> do you also consider donald trump to be a fascist? >> you know, i've, i've spoken out against lowering the civil discourse in this country and personal tax and labels and stuff like that. so look, i'm not going to i'm not going to get into that type of labeling if you will, but you know, john kelly did something and you looked it up in a dictionary. and if you, if you look it up, i think everybody should ask yourself, does he fall into those categories and it's hard to say that they he doesn't when you kind of look at those terms. but, he certainly has those inclinations. and i think

it's something we should be wary about. >> and secretary, when you hear trump reportedly say that he wants generals who are totally loyal to him, even above the constitution what could that mean if he's re-elected? are there any potential checks and balances to prevent him from say going after some of his political rivals using the military well, you know, the first checks should be that the military and civilians, like who serve in government, swear an oath to the constitution, not to a president, not to a party, not to political philosophy. >> it's why the memoir i wrote two years ago now is entitled a sacred oath. and i think nobody lives at or understands it, as well as the military who is it's trained in our schools or academies are lhotse programs. you're constantly reminded of it while you're on duty. it's reinforced multiple times. so look, i fully

officers will live up to that oath. so bay the constitution and will not be, you know, were not swear loyalty oath to the president of the united states. and so my concern of course, is is to the institution what will happen that was my concern during my tenure. and of course, in the summer of 2020, when he wanted to use the active duty military, consider using them active duty military to put down the protests and possibly even shoot protesters. and so my concern was about the institution of the military, and that may be even more importantly along those same lines, the importance of the civil military relationship in this country. it's very unique on one hand, the military is completely subordinate to civilian authority, but on the other hand, we serve the american people, on earth is to the constitution. what we serve the american people and what you don't want to do is break down those bonds of trust that have been there for decades and decades. we saw that happen after the vietnam war. we saw that happened after the killings at kent state. if you recall, the national guard opened fire on civilian protesters. we don't want to go back after that. the last

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for the first time, senior us it's officials confirmed that north korea is sending troops to russia, defense secretary lloyd austin tells reporters this morning that it's unclear why they're there, but if they're sent to ukraine too fight for russia. >> austin says it would be a serious issue and a sign that vladimir putin may be in even more trouble than people realize. >> cnn's oren liebermann joins us now, live from the pentagon and oren, it was actually south korea's spy agency. the alerted the u.s. to this what has the pentagon been able to confirm this far? >> you're right to point out that south korea and also ukraine have said that north korea has sent thousands of troops to russia to fight on behalf of russia and ukraine. now the u.s. hasn't gone that far. defense secretary lloyd austin so the u.s. is now able to say that they have seen thousands of north korean troops go from north korea to russia the quick question is, of course, what are they there to do? the u.s. has said that russia is suffering 1,200

casualties in ukraine each day. then includes both killed and wounded, and that speaks to the need that russia has for more troops and other question is, are these north korean troops going to russia to get training to fight in ukraine? well, that would mean that the largest land war in europe now involves the far east as well. and that's specifically what the u.s. is looking for. here is austin earlier today if there are co-belligerent intention is to participate in this war on russia's behalf that is very, very serious. >> issue. and it will have impacts not only on in europe, it will also impact things in the indo-pacific as well. >> now we understand from a senior administration official that part of the intelligence that the u.s. is ready to put out may include satellite imagery of north korean troops going from north korea to russia as well as the places in

russia where they are being trained. now part of the key question behind all of this is why would north korea do this? in other words, what is north korea? and getting in exchange for sending its own troops to russia, perhaps to fight on behalf of russia. and that's a key question here. the answer may be that north korea is looking to develop its own nuclear and satellite capabilities. and those are two areas where russia could certainly help them and that would be very dangerous. indeed, if that's what russia is providing an exchange for north korean bodies alright, oren liebermann live for us from the pentagon. >> thank you. and let's talk about this more with cnn military analysts some retired us air force colonel cedric leighton colonel, what does this tell you about russia's current status in its war on ukraine? >> so brianna, if we think that the north koreans are actually going to serve on the front lines against ukraine. then it most clearly means that there are some very significant personnel shortages in on the russian side. it also means that perhaps the north koreans

are getting some combat training potentially from the operations against ukraine. and they could then potentially use that in a possible we'll future conflict with south korea. so the south koreans are right to be concerned. the north koreans are definitely getting into a place where they can possibly help the russians, not just logistically, but possibly also in combat operations. >> i think we're looking for more information here in the coming days to tell us a little bit about what what exactly is going on, right. but we're talking here about thousands of troops being sent to russia. that's according to a senior administration official. does that in itself signal anything? to you that this is different than just special training yeah, absolutely. >> because the volume indicates that there's a degree of intent there. and when you have so many different french troops, if there are literally thousands going over the ukrainians had previously reported somewhere around 6,000 i initially going to the front

on the north korean side that would indicate that they are fulfilling at least a brigade size unit obligations. and that's a pretty substantial number. when it comes to ground warfare. and especially given the numbers that we're dealing with, with russian troops ukrainian troops right now, either would have a significant impact on what could potentially be going on in this war. it could potentially mean that the russians are trying to get out of the war of attrition, that they're currently fighting with the ukrainians and the extra infusion of north korean troops could mean this extra person nobody could have an impact on the front lines. >> so if this is a mobilization that indicates a stronger alliance than we have seen before between these countries. what impact could that have on europe? what impact could that have on the indo-pacific? >> so and europe it has probably a multifaceted impact in that number one, we know that the russians have a

certain weakness in terms of their personnel and in terms some of their military capabilities but it also means that, you know, as part of this alliance that the russians are willing and able to use foreign forces to do part of their fighting for them. we could then potentially see urania and forces so where other forces like that coming into the ukrainian battle space, if that's the case, then that would then begs the question as to whether or not european nations let's turn european, central european nations would be doing the same thing for ukraine, not just on an individual basis, but as part of a national effort to support ukraine. >> so what is north korea get in? return for potentially helping russia when it comes to manpower that's something that austin says the u.s. is still trying to figure out, but what are the possibilities? >> so some of the possibilities are like what oren mentioned in his reporting and that would include that at a very strategic level, the north koreans are going to get more russian know-how for satellite operations since for nuclear weapons development. in potentially for new nuclear

weapons employment. so if that's the case, that could then really up the ante on korean peninsula. and that really goes to your previous question. what happens in the indo-pacific? i, it could change the dynamics on the korean peninsula and potentially signal that the risk of conflict as much tyre between north and south korea than we currently anticipate. >> really interesting, really alarming stuff, colonel. thank you so much. you bet coming up some new details about a deadly e coli outbreak? think that the cdc has tied to mcdonald's quarter pounders stay with us for that election day. >> vice president harris faces voters and takes to pressing questions, lie. >> anderson cooper moderates a cnn presidential town hall. >> kamala harris tonight at nine eastern on cnn

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coming in about an iq coli outbreak that has killed one person, put ten in the hospital and sickened dozens more at mcdonald's has stopped selling quarter pounders in many states and it's president is telling the united states, but he's very confident it's food is safe. but news of this food safety crisis it's knocking mcdonald's stock lower by around 5% cnn medical correspondent meg tirrell joins us now, meg take us through what we know about this outbreak yeah this news came out late yesterday. what we know so far, the cdc and fda are saying there have been 49 cases that have been identified of this e coli infection across ten states, ten people have been hospitalized, including a child and one person, an elderly person has died. now, this is across ten states, but the most cases have been identified in colorado and then in nebraska. investigators are still working to figure out the source of the e coli contamination here they are

homing in really on these fresh slivered onions that are used on quarter pounders. they say, everybody, they interviewed reported having eaten them mcdonald's and most particularly remembered eating quarter pounder now they say both the fresh slivered onions are something they're looking at as well as they haven't yet ruled out the beef patties. now, mcdonald's is saying that they have removed those ingredients from stores and infected. in fact, affected states and they are trying to reassure folks that it's safe to eat at mcdonald's. here's what for us president said this morning it is important to note that the onset dates for this disease or between at this point september 27 in october 11 if there has been contaminated product within our supply chain, but it's very likely worked itself through that supply chain already but certainly will be working with the cdc and cooperating with them on the investigation will will take in more data and let, let the science continued to

beat our actions look more into the source of this, they also are trying to make sure, of course that that that hasn't gone to other restaurants or stores guys beyond mcdonald's and what are the symptoms of e coli if someone has felt sick or feel sick after eating one of these recently, how concerned should they be yeah, so typically people who get e coli do recover on their own within about a week if you have symptoms of e coli, it would be something like very strong stomach cramps, diarrhea, which can often be bloody, vomiting, and fever typically those come on within about three to four days of having eaten the bacteria. >> although you can get symptoms out to nine days from having consumed at so the cdc is saying if folks have these symptoms, particularly the last few days, you should seek health care, tell your health care provider what you aid as they are continuing to do this investigation and we do expect we could start to hear about

more cases that they identify as they're going through reports and linking them back to this investigation, guys does not sound like a good time. meg tirrell. thank you so much richer. want to take you straight to the press briefing room in the white house. national security council spokesperson john kirby's briefing reporters, let's listen to those assets on the defense of the aggrieved party. >> all while respecting the rule of law and maintaining solidarity these loans will support the people of ukraine as they defend and rebuild their country. and it's another example of how mr. putin's war of aggression has only unified and strengthened the resolve of g7 countries and our partners to defend shared values >> thank you. sorry. >> i had an extra page in there and i wasn't sure where it was going >> that the presence of north korean troops can have a meaningful trajectory on about the war and then secondly, you've said earlier, even that

it shows a sign of desperation on the russians. but does it also demonstrates north korea commitment to this burgeoning alliance with russia in as that in itself of broadening and discouraging turn for america. >> so on your first question too soon to tell what kind of an impact these troops can have on the battlefield, because we just don't know enough about what the intention is in terms of using them. so i think that's why i said at the top we're going to monitor this and watch it closely to your second question. yeah so as we've also said, yes, i've called this a sign of desperation and a sign of weakness and it's not like mr. putin is being very honest with the russian people about what he's doing here. i mean, mr scarf a spokesman, just the other day to denied knowing anything about it but what we've also talked many, many

times about the burgeoning and growing defense relationship between north korea and russia, and how reckless and dangerous we think that is not only for the people of ukraine and clearly, we'll watch to see what this development means for them, but also for the indo-pacific region diplomats in lesion missing hochstein in let alone, and the secretary of state in saudi arabia. >> now before israel, to be, do you, believe there's a chance now for the ceasefire? hi, to be back on the table. and do you believe that with the demise of mr. sinwar and hassan nasrallah, you have a better chances, worst chances for somebody to negotiate with the ceasefire. >> you're talking about. i'm assuming is with gaza i mean, you have limit on any of the short answer to your question is yes and we wouldn't it'd we wouldn't be engaged in this diplomatic efforts if we didn't think there was still an opportunity here to get a cease fire a

ceasefire for gaza that brings down hostages home and increases humanitarian assistance. >> and certainly a ceasefire between israel and hezbollah. and as for the implication at brava sinwar as president biden said last week, that does open up. we believe opens up should open up an opportunity to try to get there. but i don't want to sound too sad. hi win here. >> i'll let secretary blinken speak for his travels. >> he is still on the road. he talked about it a little bit today that they had good constructive conversations specifically with respect to to gaza while he was in israel. but there's still a lot of work before us. >> again, one more quickly the number of civilians killed in gaza was 700 79 in the last 20 days which range of value the total number is 100,000 between the dead and the wounded, 90% of gaza's destroyed does the u.s still believe that israeli strategy in gaza is working. and you still support him we

still support israel's right and responsibility to and itself against these threats, including the continued threat of hamas. >> and we still urged israel to be mindful, ever mindful of civilian casualties and the damage to civilian infrastructure. and we're going to continue to work with them to that end the u.s made an assessment about the type of weapon he's trading or what type of training north korean soldiers are undergoing in russia that can potentially be used in ukraine. >> it does this represent a new type of agreement? in terms of information sharing agreement between north koreans and the russians specific assessment at this time. >> the exact nature of all the training. there's there's three sites that we assess right now that this first tranche of about 3,000 our being trained

say that at least basic kind of combat training and familiarization. i think i'll go i could go as far as that and no further but as i also said, we're going to monitor this and watch this closely. obviously, if we have more information that we can share with you, we certainly will do your second question about information sharing. as i've said before, mansour to alma we have been watching this relationship grow and deepen now for many, many months asking ourselves and we don't have an answer for right now is what does kim jong un think he's getting out of this and so you talked about information sharing i mean maybe that's part of this, maybe its technology, maybe its capabilities. we don't have a good sense of that, but that's what's so concerning to us, is not only the concerns the

impact on the war in ukraine, but the impact that this could have in the indo-pacific with kim jong un benefiting to some degree, when you talk about just briefly even count significant is this? for us allies in the region and a us at it could be significant. again, we don't know enough right now. so when you say region, i think you mean indo-pacific until we have a better sense of what the north koreans, at least believed they've gotten out of this as opposed to what they actually get. it's hard to know and to put a metric on exactly what the impact is you know, pacific, but it is concerning, it's been concerning certainly this development, this willingness of kim to literally put skin in the game here soldiers in russia for the potential deployment. and we haven't seen him deploy, appointment, certainly would connote an expectation that he thinks he's getting something out of this you mentioned that the u.s. >> is discussing how we would possibly respond. what are the possibilities for having us could respond to this? >> well, for one thing, we're going to continue to search

secure pretty assistance as i just mentioned in my topper and you're gonna continue to see the president has made it clear that we're going to continue to provide security assistance all the way up to the end of his administration for sure. so you're going to see that continue to flow and we're talking to allies and partners about what the right next steps out to be. i'm not at liberty to today to go through any specific options. but but we're going to we're going to have those conversations and we have been in china's john kirby raising serious concerns about what north korea may be getting out of this arrangement of sending its troops to russia with the impact that it could have, that it could actually bolster kim jong un strategic position in the indo-pacific to have this increased alliance militarily with russia, but he didn't describe north korea sending troops two russia for potentially being deployed in the war with ukraine as a sign of desperation and weakness also highlighting, he said that russia isn't even being honest with its own people about what's going on here.

>> he gave the most detailed that at least i've heard thus far saying that while the u.s. is not specifically assessed, the nature of the training, he said that generically, it's basic combat training and familiarization in three sides, roughly 3,000 north korean troops, the u.s. response he says will be to continue searching security assistance to ukraine and monitoring the situation and obviously updating the public as well. we're going to take a quick break on cnn news central. we'll be right saturday at nine on cnn? if you have chronic kidney disease, you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with parsi because they are places you'd like to be for sika kone how serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections and low blood sugar. a rare life-threatening bacterial infection the perineum could occur stopped taking for sika and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of disinfection and allergic reaction or ketoacidosis

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