used against russia and on the ground, north korean troops fighting on behalf of the russians, or at least operating in some capacity it's troublesome, it's, it's metastasizing all of that. >> i know that the talk that you had in thereof of a broadening war will ripley thank you so much for that such important reporting and thanks to all of you as always for being with us, but please stay with me because i'll be joined by my colleague jake tapper for a special edition of ac360. starting now welcome as we count down together to the main event, cnn's presidential town hall with vice president kamala harris begins very shortly, a

major moment in this unprecedented race is about. to happen here in pennsylvania, the battleground with the biggest electoral price of critical slice of the electorate might ultimately reach their decisions tonight with only 13 days left before election day. >> and jake, you know, it is going to be an audience full of undecided and persuadable voters who are going to be able to put their questions and concerns directly to the democratic nominee. and you know, we actually haven't seen harris in this setting very much. this is a major primetime town hall. of course, jake, because you only entered the race. i mean, can you believe it? 94 days ago? >> and this may be the last big live event of its kind before election day. there are no more debates. this could have been a debate night if you remember the vice president accepted cnn's invitation former president donald trump opted to not. he also chose to not appear for a solo town hall of his own. so it is vice

president harris's stage alone. this evening. >> that's right important to note that jake, we did hope tell you that debate and we did, of course, invite trump for a town hall. trump is in battleground, georgia though, right now as his campaign kenya is facing one of its biggest challenges in these final days, which is the reemergence of trump's longest serving chief of staff general john kelly, who was coming out within 11th hour warning about trump's praise for hitler, saying that he would govern like a dictator if elected again. and the vice president has seized on that today, she could do so again tonight in this town hall, the main event is jake, you were saying kicks off at nine eastern jake let's first go to cnn's jeff zeleny, who has more on what to expect during tonight's town hall, jeff set the stage for us would you as you said, donald trump will not be on stage, but he will be at the center of the conversation and he's certainly has been really for the last several days as vice president, harris has been seizing on every remark he made, including

talking about the generals. of course, those new reports in the waning days of this campaign the vice president has a couple of objectives tonight talking to her advisors, they said she still wants to persuade some of those undecided and persuadable voters over to her side. she also wants to motivate some people who are likely to vote for her, but are either have not yet made a plan to do so, or are ambivalent about voting at all. she has 13 days left to do it, even as millions of americans have voted more than 1 million here in battleground pennsylvania, more than 25 million across the country. so her objective is to fill in some of those blanks really try and close the sale with some of those voters share, but there's no question the former president is at the center of it. all. she calls him unhinged. she called him unstable million so in hundreds of millions of dollars of television ads are behind a similar message here. we're learning that she's going to be closing next week with a campaign speech on the ellipse. that of course is the spot just outside the white house. were donald trump gave his speech on the morning of january 6, 2021,

that led to the attack on the capitol. so this is now he is central part of her message. the question is, is that going to move voters so many voters as we travel around are concerned about the economy, they're concerned about immigration, inflation. she closing, of course, with really drawing sharp distinctions with the former president talking about democracy, abortion rights as well. but tonight, those unscripted questions from those undecided and persuadable voters certainly will be revealing as she tries to fill in some more blanks and get more voters to her side advisers believe this is a deadlocked race and all seven battlegrounds, none more important than right here in pennsylvania jake all right. >> jeff zeleny. thanks so much. let's discuss with my panel, john king, let me start with you. so we just learned that kamala harris plans to give her closing argument at the ellipse where trump gave his speech right before the capitol was attacked what do you think about that decision? that's

obviously a decision focused on portraying donald trump is an existential threat to democracy and not on pocketbook issues which i think a lot of undecided voters are really focused on. >> i think their challenges to fill in the back part, to use that event, to use this event, but then to use that event at that site, hallowed ground even before january 6 at the ellipse, you're right there, the white house, the national monuments are right there. the capital photos right up the road. it's one of the most spectacular places. it's, it is a stage of american democracy. this one of the places where, no matter how long we've lived in washington, dc, you walk by that you stop, you pause and you say, wow, so can she make a while moment of this? yes, draw the contrast with trump. you do not want that man standing back here. you did not want to living in that house, right there. you do not want him effecting what happens up? there. and you point to the monuments and you just say, think about this. that's important. it's, it creates incredibly important to frame the choice and to frame remind people what they don't like about donald trump. but as jeff noted, when you travel these collar counties right here around your hometown of philadelphia, you still run into voters who don't want to vote for donald trump, but are

not convinced they should vote for her is he read our website. i liked the housing plan. she says she's going to close the border. but who is she is she a president? that's the bigger challenge we can go through. a lot of issues in voters will mentioned issues, but can you close your eyes and say if kim jong un launches a missile, if there's another pandemic, or there's some crisis, we're not even thinking about in the age of ai is she a president? a lot of voters say he's done the job. i don't like a lot of the stuff that comes with it, but he's done the job. >> there is not going to be any one thing that kamala harris does between now and election day. that's going to make or break this race for her. the challenge right now is that she has to do both things, which a lot of candidates actually are not in that position because her campaign started 19 days ago, right? so she is both persuading and she is turning out voters and so in that process, that means that she really just has to be everywhere all at once for a lot of voters, a huge swath of the electorate that is harder than it sounds, and it just means trying everything penetrating and every possible

way because the people who at this moment don't know what they're going to do, aren't sure if they're going to leave their houses. they are not they're not on the campaign website. they're not going they're not going there. they need to get this information in all the different ways as they're walking through their lives, as they're there on the internet, their scrolling through. so it's an incredible challenge of just real stamina, i think right now for the harris campaign to just be out there. and that word persuade, that is such an important word because it's what the harris campaign is still doing. and this is the point you were making. abby is that we're so close to election day that at this point in most campaigns they feel the campaign's feel that the people who are going to vote for them have already decided. and it's just getting out there. voters gotv, get they're doing that, but they're not they're not convinced that there aren't people who are not yet sure about her who can who are still gettable, which is why this kind of event is so important. >> according to the campaign

let's talk about that. >> the one thing i was going to say it's like georgia, donald trump lost georgia by 11,000 votes in 2016 he won. which one was that in michigan was at 10,000 votes. i forgot to wisconsin 14,014 finish. >> my point is, this townhall actually could have huge impact on the election. well, and that's why it's gonna be so interesting to see how she is on stage tonight, how she conducts herself. obviously, she has a lot of experience with town halls. she's done many of them. would cnn, it was a very different kind of town hall when she was doing it in 2019 and running to the left and her primary for the democrats. but coming out tonight, you how does she handle donald trump? how does she handle these questions? from the voters that we're talking about that she's trying to reach that are persuadable that are undecided. and what that looks like, i think the choice to go to the ellipse is an interesting one because that was of course a day where so many of donald trump's members of his administration, his own cabinet resigned that day. but how this has been remembered now four years later by even those same people is completely different i mean, that's the devos who is his secretary of

education, resigned because of how he acted on january 6. she was at a donor dinner with him the other night just to give you a window into the insight of how a lot of the republicans who disavowed him that day have come back into the fold. so how does she handle that in terms of rubbing up the democratic base and getting them excited, but also seeking to try and all those disaffected republicans that she has been trying to reach. >> that's such a weird thing to resign from a cabinet because you're so shocked and stunned by the appalling behavior that happened on the capitol. and then go to a donor dinner for years. >> publicans, do you are out there that day or so so in that they thought trump would because losing his influence. and now here he is obviously within steps of the white house and it's not just the boldfaced names like a betsy devos or people with very deep pockets like a betsy devos. it's also rank and file voters. it's the harris campaign that is telling us that the way they see donald trump is more popular than ever. i mean, how many times

have you guys heard over the past eight years from democrats saying, well, he's got this ceiling and he's not going to get above the ceiling though not saying that anymore, still may have that feeling he might not the question is, can he get to 50? >> and i would argue the data tells, you know, anecdotally problem probably not in most of the battleground states can donald trump get to 50 for the question is, can she get to 49.5 and this conversation, it doesn't hurt her, but it doesn't necessarily help her that we're talking about republicans who left donald trump coming back to donald trump, there are republicans like lindsey graham who left him ten times and come back ten times. this conversation has not, but it doesn't help her. again, george w bush ran on compassionate conservative which isn't brock obama was hoping change. bill clinton was putting people first run on your side. what is kamala harris, donald trump is close the border, cut your taxes, right? that's how people process it. what is kamala harris will say? >> i don't think i don't if the ellipse speech ultimately is another kind of reference to january 6. and that's it. i think that would be a huge mistake because that's not

that's not the territory that this election is being decided on. right now, the voters who are not sure what they're going to do, they probably don't like donald trump very much. but to your point, jake, they need to understand that she is a sturdy leader. they want to believe that she can be president, that she can handle with the president so he comes with and there is something about, you know, if you are going to do this, if you're going to create a symbolic moment to show that you are in the space of represents american democracy. that's a good point to make, but she has to convince people that she has the gravitas for the job and for some voters for all kinds of different reasons. some of them that sexism, some of its other things for a lot of voters that is still an unanswered question. >> and also they want to know what is she going to do for me? yeah. milk is $7 a gallon. >> and she handled those economic challenges, right? >> exactly. everyone stick around. we got a lot more to talk about, much more to come as we're getting close to the start of our town hall with vice president kamala harris, secretary of transportation can pete buttigieg is here with

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>> ladies responding to his former chief of staff to general kelly wu, what's he saying during these remarks on stage, he hasn't, but he did post on truth social. i can read you some of what he wrote on his social media website. today. he said, quote oh, excuse me, it felt, but essentially he was attacking joe. i don't have the right front of me, but essentially he was attacking john kelly arguing that he was making these comments because he's fell out of favor with donald schon, pete claimed that none of this was true. essentially, everything that we had been hearing his aides were saying as well i have some in front of me. so here's what trump said. he said, quote, thank you for your support against a total judgment degenerate named john kelly, who made up a story out of pure trump derangement syndrome, hatred. this guy had to qualities which don't work well together. again, he went on to attack him as being dumb and other things, but i do want to talk about what's happening here in georgia tonight, erin, because there has been some

very interesting comments made here tonight. first of all, this is a massive stadium and there have been very high profile speakers that includes people like tucker carlson, rfk, jr. a charlie kirk, who is the founder of turning points action, who is putting on this rally? knight, you also heard from a tulsi gabbard and country music star jason aldean. but one thing that is new that i haven't heard us when tucker carlson was speaking tonight, he started to say that if donald trump were to win, it would be like, quote daddy's home, daddy is coming home and he said that trump, like god loves all of his children talking about the mainstream media and his words. >> and democrats and said that trump would need to give them a good spanking. >> now this is something that crowd went wild for here. there are thousands of people here. >> and when trump came on stage, as you can see speaking behind me, they started screaming and chanting. >> daddy's home daddy dawn. so this is something i have not heard at a trump rally so far, but i can tell you the vibe in

the room tonight. does almost feel like a mini rnc and we have heard trump so far. he's just going through his typical stump speech. he's talking about how bad harris's for the border. he's talking about his record on the economy, but i'm sure we're going to hear some of those person and all attacks increase any moment now, on harris, as we've been hearing over the past several days, erin thank you. >> of course. we're waiting to hear what he will say on that and that's where i was going to begin with i guess you're supposed to call her daddy. i knew call him and he answered no okay. daddies so i'm going home. >> yeah. >> yeah think of a worse closing message. >> if you're trying to woo female voters, it's like they're actively tracing out of the republican party. but being as creepy as humanly possible. so first, the call it referring yourself as daddy and giving people as thinking i can't believe i'm saying that on television. >> and then attacking a former four-star general and a gold star father as a low life and a low iq person. >> i mean, that's your closing

message about a week-and-a-half out from the election day i can imagine that's what urban would have advised you know, what's been interesting throughout this campaign. >> and we've talked about it here before. it's like the campaign is doing one thing. and he's kinda the doing whatever he feels like doing in the moment the campaign has had a very disciplined message from start to finish on their tv ads and they have to do with continuation of biden pop policies. she's out of the mainstream and so on. and then he just rather an amplifying those messages because he'll say it off. the prompter, but then he says something that's kind of crazy, that gets covered, that's what people are talking about. >> well, not i guess i guess what used want to blame tucker carlson for that? >> i'm going to blame tucker carlson for that particular to save in america, it's tucker carlson tucker carlson's felt no child trump's lose it. i like the joy the joyful donald trump we saw. i like to donald trump if it was me, if i was in charge of this, i'd have black barbershops in the bronx.

winner winner chicken dinner steeler, gain the steelers game, pop, pop eyes, or what would we go with you to go offense, he's winning in that in that situation. those situations, people see trump there. like i like that donald trump. i like that version he was on offense kamala harris out column nazi hitleresque. that's a defense way that's not, that's not come here it's that's actually the former head of the joint chief of staff and his own chief of staff, that was achieved its own chief-of-staff. and i think it's very it should be very sobering because yeah, he's a great con-man. donald trump he distracts you with all kinds of shenanigans and silly stuff and he puts his clowns up on stage and say nonsense that we talked about that meanwhile literally four-star generals are screaming that they are afraid

that this man is going to do grave harm to america. and so it's not an accident that you've got people like tucker carlson talk about big data or whatever because he knows we talk about big daddy and not about our constitution if you'd get an big daddy, make >> yeah. i feel as deeply as anyone about that. i think if you really ask dave urban, who's a career military guy i think he has great respect for john kelly. and so i i feel sorry. but the question the question question is is this what is this is all this stuff going to move the voters? they need to move. and i have a, i mean, that's, that's the bet they're making i'm wondering whether it's better for her to be in suburban malls and the national mall i'm wondering whether she should be talking as much about the stability of famine emily finances as the stability of trump making the point that because he is so he's not going to spend one

minute thinking about your housing prices or you have how you pay for taking care of your mother because he's going to be filled with vengeance and he's going to be doing all that so that's the crazy that relates to people's lives. in i hope in this town hall meeting that she addresses some i i hope so too. i also just want to give kamala harris some credit for that, some courage here, because people a few months ago, if you look back, oh, she's haydn osi's doing the scanning up on stages and giving speeches. she won't ever talk to real people. she don't ever talk to a reporter, then she talked to every reporter on charlemagne tha god. she talked to everybody and people at the shop about that. and now most people would not take the kind of rescues taking the night. she is walking out into an unscripted environment. anybody could say anything at anytime and you're going to see in real-time who she is and it's a teabag theory of politics in that whatever first, in you comes out in hot water

you we wanted to have a debate tonight. we were eager to be having that debate. he said no, she said yes. he also is not doing a town hall and she is because i think he feels like he doesn't need to do and he's doing these rows when you're, when you're, when you think of momentum in your head you do the things he's doing right now when you're behind and you think you're behind, you do the things she's doing because i will say this let me just say this about what vance say calm harris has been out there. she's been doing lots of interviews and she's been a pretty terrible at them oh different different worldview. okay. i watched the other night with one of our with haley jackson, nbc asking asking simple questions, couldn't get her answers. she was asking her about who you support. you said you for supporting for their in judge. certainly. >> no response though. donald trump was in response to this and he was asked, what's your appeal to nikki haley voters? he spent the entire time trashing nikki haley and saying how badly he beat her. >> understood the question speaking at the ellipse remind people of january 6, and humans citing that violence is to cater to the 158,000 republicans who turned out in a primary in pennsylvania to vote

for nikki haley to say this is a permission structure hundred and 48,000 more democrats probably question the question, alyssa, is, the question is, how much are they at this point? do you think those 100 do you think the nikki haley voters have forgotten january 6? >> i think that they need to be reminded of the stakes of this election. i do. i hear from them constantly and i get that i live in an echo chamber as a nikki haley voter. i've never had so many lifelong republicans were not supporting the republican nominee. and it's the decision are you leaving the top of the ticket blank or you biting the bullet and follow the wise, he waited so long to appear on stage with nikki haley, not just that he disparaged her in the interview as i know, i don't i think it's a joint decision. i don't think look, i don't think nikki haley's rushing the joint trump on stage. i think it's a thing and hurt irna said she's got a political future. she wants to figure out what she's got to do. and our enter life. and so i think we'll be here all night because of course we are getting ready for the main event and all over the map, we're gonna get an early read on who has voted so far. we

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from cnn's town hall with vice president kamala harris. election day is less than two weeks away. millions of votes have already been cast. let's check in with cnn's pamela ground, who's at the pamela brown who's at the voting guess? pamela? >> well, jake, the margin is razor in key battleground states according to the polls and events like tonight's town hall in pennsylvania yeah could be what moves the needle for some voters so far more than

24.7 million americans have already voted in this year's presidential election. according to data from 47 states and dc. and we still have just under two weeks to go for early voting. let's take a closer look here at the commonwealth of pennsylvania. i know jake that's where you you grew up, a place that very well could decide who wins this election. 1.1 million voters have already voted early, 61% of those voters are registered democrats compared with 29% of registered republicans overall, the early voting number is down there compared to 2020, and that's the case for russia just her democrats as well as you see here on this pie chart. but when it comes to registered republicans, that number is actually up compared to 2020, that pennsylvania won't start processing mail-in ballots until election day, but election officials, i've been speaking with there are optimistic. we're going to find out sooner than in 2020 when it took five days i spoke to a philadelphia city commissioner before coming on and he told me

that new technology to open ballot envelopes more quickly combined with fewer mail-in ballots, a cycle will lead to a faster count and pennsylvania's largest city, jake do we have any indication at all as to why more republicans might be voting early this cycle than they did in 2020. >> well, jake, for starters, there's definitely a change in the gop's rhetoric around early voting compared to 2020 when as you'll recall, donald trump railed against it now, trump appears to be incurred urging it, saying in an interview earlier today that he will be voting early himself and his running mate, senator jd vance also said today that if republicans don't vote early and by mail, they're going to quote, get killed at the ballot box. so we can't say for sure that rhetoric is behind more early voting in some battleground states like wisconsin, where on its first day today the numbers exceeded the first day of early voting compared to 2020. the elections commission says more than 97,000 people voted compared to

more than 75,020. 20, we should know, we don't have the party breakdown in wisconsin. and just like pennsylvania, wisconsin won't stop processing those mail-in ballots until the morning i've election day jake all right. >> pamela brown, thanks so much. appreciate it. john king, maybe here with us, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have the magic wall with him. a little baby wall. john, give us a look at where the electoral map stands right now let's start. >> we do have the magic tablet. we have the mini magic here. let's start with where we are as pam just noted, the commonwealth of pennsylvania and you know, this all of us know this from past elections, but jake step is birthplace it matters the most. so where are we right now? let's just tap down in here. we're in delaware county. joe biden won 63% of the vote here, right? these suburbs, when i started doing this, used to be republican or republican-leaning, they are safe blue territory now. but watch this number on election night right? in the first election in the suburbs, post the dobbs decision donald trump improve his standing in the suburbs. let's say donald trump doesn't have to improve a standing in the suburbs a lot. look at 20:16, 37 point to you, say, oh, john, that's just a

point. that's just a point yet, but i'll point here at a point or two there makes a difference. donald trump needs to improve his standing in the suburbs to have a chance to win the commonwealth of pennsylvania, vice president harris, the flip side, if you're going to lose little bit in urban areas, maybe black men goes down a little bit, maybe latino men goes down a little bit. can you boost it in the suburbs in the first post roe election, this place and this race is a defining challenge. so where does that matter when you come out to this map, it all matters because as we know, as we come to the race for 270 and we can get into this more throughout the night and the next 12 days. here's where they are right now to 26 hey, if we believe for harris to 19, safe for trump will have all the yellow states, the battlegrounds. this pennsylvania is the biggest prize, 19 electoral votes. if harris can do that. and that michigan and wisconsin just hold the blue wall. she is most likely the next president of united states. so this is the biggest prize if donald trump gets this, it makes her math a lot more complicated. his math a lot more easy. so pennsylvania is the biggest price, which is why she agreed to do the town hall here, which is why both campaigns are spending more money here than any other state. there's other

ways to get there. but if you try to get to 70, getting that 19 is huge. >> i'm just having a flashback right now because i remember in 2020 donald trump did better in philly in 2020 than he had done in 2016? yes. but of course, his campaign rhetoric was they stole it in philly but that's not where he lost the election. he actually did better in philadelphia. it was all the suburban voters that he was alienating. >> same in wisconsin let's say, hillary clinton did better in milwaukee then joe biden did that was, that was not the problem. it's joe biden searched in the suburbs that was the post-covid. we want an adult in the white house election. and joe biden won higher in the suburbs and joe biden did better with some of the white blue-collar workers in other places. again, on the margins, moved it just a little bit. voters. if donald trump can get half a point more here, or a point more they're why does that matter? because these elections are decided. again, if i soak such a close margin, let's quickly, just to this state, i mean, think of how big pennsylvania is, right? thinking how big pennsylvania's it's very big.

so 2016 map, he decided by 44,000 votes, right? that's half the crowd and an eagles game or a little more than half the crowd at an eagles game, you come back to 2020 81,000 votes out of bama game i don't to undergo 81,000 votes. i mean, that's that's totally a football crowd decided this state in 2020 so that's why everyone matters and every margin within the subgroups, including right here in the suburbs, matter. >> and the trump team is trying to read into the early voting. i mean, obviously trump has changed every he goes back and forth despite what lara trump says, despite what jd vance says, trump goes back and forth on, on early voting key. it says he's going to early vote himself. i should note and has in the past. but this shows that they're trying to read into these numbers just as much as we are, but it's such a different election in 2020, were not living through a pandemic that it is hard to know what the number is signified. >> the more people who vote early, the better you can target in the final days because you know so who's voted? that's all public record. so then you can go if none of you vote, and i want you all to vote for me after knock on all four of your doors, if you haven't early voted, if two of you have really voted, i only have to

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>> in less than 20 minutes, vice president kamala harris will answer questions directly from the very voters who are expected to determine who will be the next president. this is room full of people who say that they are undecided and persuadable in pennsylvania, and they are there waiting to be with the vice president at cnn's town hall with me now is pete buttigieg, and i should note he is here and his personal capacity as a surrogate for the harris campaign. and i appreciate your time, sir. so what do you make of the fact that vice president harris has the he stage to herself tonight, right? we had hoped this would be a debate between her and former president trump. and of course, then perhaps that they would be a town hall with president trump after the vice president, but she is the one who accepted the invitations to both show she is there alone. what do you think the significance of that is for her? >> well, the significance of it is that clearly he does not want to have to compete with her in a debate, and he does not want to have to explain in a town hall environment his

unpopular positions. remember just about everything he is about. his proposal for tax cuts for the rich, his proposal for tariffs it would increase the prices that families pay. the fact that every woman in america had their national right to choose taken away by donald trump. any of the project 2025 agenda, this is really unpopular stuff. i'm not completely surprised that he pulled out of what was supposed to be a debate tonight. i mean, look he won't even go on cnbc, let alone 60 minutes. she's of course, doing the opposite, finding voters anywhere she can, talking to everybody from fox news to charlemagne tha god. and i think she's going to have a great opportunity tonight as well to demonstrate that while you have one candidate who is focused on himself you've got another candidate in the vice president who is focused on voters, on the american people, on our everyday lives. and this will be a great opportunity for her to demonstrate that focus. >> so he is actually what he's

doing instead is a town hall in atlanta where he is speaking right now up to this moment, he actually has not mentioned general kelly or harris in the context of this reporting from jeffrey goldberg in the atlantic. but he did post earlier on his social media website about john kelly. and here's what he said he called him a total degenerate who made up a story out of pure trump derangement syndrome hatred. the guy had to quality but he's which don't work well together. he was tough and dumb. the problem is his toughness morphed into weakness because he became jell-o with time. he continues to call john kelly has a low life and a bad general whose advice in the white house, i no longer sought and told him to move on you obviously, foreign military what's your response to what trump is saying to john kelly tonight well, of course it's an insult to the military. >> it's an insult to veterans, but he's also telling on himself, right? one of the most important things that a

president does is choose key personnel. donald trump has often claim that he's good at that, which he would need to be in order to be a good president. he chose john kelly, and not for some random appointment to some obscure board. he chose him to be his number one adviser, his chief-of-staff, the most important official in the white house, by the way, he did that because john kelly has reputation as a great general and a great leader. let's also remember that general kelly, his son, gave his life in the defense of this country. there's no question in who is credible between the two of them. donald trump, who's told more documented provable lies than any modern american politician or general kelly, who is a person of integrity and who you can tell didn't do this lightly. i cannot think of another time in american history, certainly in my lifetime when a president or a candidate for president was

denounced by his own chief of staff. again, this isn't some random liberal groups saying these things about donald trump telling these stories were talking about his own chief of staff and a whole bunch of other people from his secretary of defense to his own. >> does it give you any though that general kelly, of course, remains chief of staff even after this incident happened, it's not as if he resigned over it or walked away over it. i mean, we're only finding out about it now well, i think somebody in that role, i'm sure was torn by the idea that on one hand there's this kind of adults in the room theory, right? that you can restrain his worst impulses and on the other hand the desire or duty to step away. but i think the most important thing to remember is that being with donald trump is generally a one-way trip people either stay with them in order to preserve their own power or sooner or later. as a matter of conscience, they say that he has no business being in office. again there's never

been a case at least that i can think of of this many republicans saying vote for the democrat. there's definitely never been a case of a president's own top officials either staying quiet or directly saying, watch out this, this person is a danger. >> you know, obviously trump made, lock her up a crucial part, a central part of his 2016 campaign. and now, given what's going on with him legally, what may happen with the january 6 investigation? he could be going to prison if he loses this election. in that context, i want to play for you what president biden said yesterday about donald trump five years ago, you'd locked me up we've got to lock him up the addendum there is relevant, but he did say we got a lock

him up does that make you feel uncomfortable well, he was quick to clarify what he meant. >> he's also somebody who has taken care to stay out of the doings of the justice department because that's the right thing to do and to have no involvement in those kind of criminal justice. processes. obviously, this is a very different circumstance from that of secretary clinton because unlike secretary clinton, donald trump was accused and convicted of a crime, but that's process that will continue to play out in the criminal justice system. i think the bigger question here is, is this somebody who is fit? to be president? and when you have everybody from democrats to republicans to some of his closest members of his inner circle saying no, he's not. that's a pretty clear answer. but again, what i'm looking forward to tonight is that she will have a chance not only to prosecute the political case against donald trump and why he shouldn't be

returned to office but to talk about what but she's going to do to make people better off. i think this is especially important in the attention environment that we're in right now, especially with all the distraction that donald trump is showing out there right? at the end of the day. this election is not about arnold palmer, it's not about mcdonald's, is not about elon's, tommy. this is about you your job. the prices that you were paying and why they would go higher under a trump plan, the housing that we need in this country. and how commonly harris is going to build more housing. a woman's right to choose and what commonly harris will do to bring back that, right? and all of the other issues that are actually actually going to affect how our lives go. >> people to judge, i appreciate your time and thank you very much for joining us ahead of this consequential cnn town hall, which is just a few moments away. tonight's event, giving harris really an 11th hour chance. we are less than two weeks away from election day. people voted in early voting in record numbers numbers even just today, this townhall is important. it's

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have said. they are at a cnn town hall. part of harris is final pitch today has been highlighting trump's reported praise of hitler, the danger. a second trump term could pose. she has been using that word dangerous, which has been a big emphasis for her. overruled. recent days coming as cnn has learned, former president obama shared a similar message at a fundraiser for harris this week, he described trump as somebody who white nationalists explicitly rally around, quote from the former president. there. and on that note panel back along with jay carney, former white house press secretary under president obama so j, he's been out there now several times and i actually have listened to a few of them, so he's got he's got a speech. she's got he's got a message. and then he adds to it, but he's got he's got a message that he's putting out there. how effective do you think he is right now? >> well, i think president obama is very effective in reaching voters and urging them to go to the polls. i think he's very motivating. i think he's more popular than he's ever been. and i think he's probably the most effective surrogate the kamala harris

has. i think what's notable is the message that was reported out of a closed fundraiser is different from what he's saying publicly is i don't think that the message here is a winning one is to talk about how donald trump is unfit for office. he is. when you have two four-star generals, highly respected who served under you say so, i think that's disqualifying but the swing voters don't want that. they've decided on that issue already if they're undecided about donald trump's fitness for office they're not looking for more information about that question. they're looking for what president obama talked about, the convention, which is, he's whining about his problems, not thinking about yours. and then you go right to the economic message. you go right to the women's health message, and you just hammer it and hammer it. that's what's going to move voters than she is he turning voters out for her oh, yes. but i really agree with what you just that the people who are movable now are looking at their pocket book and kamala harris has a great plan for them. donald trump's

economic plans are horrible and hurts are great. if we talk about that, people know, people love to protect civilians of dollars yes, the debt, but help? well, i'll be able to live to pay a lot more for stuff i want to buy it because he's stupid tariffs. so i think the end of kamala harris needs to make i want you guys to do well, i want you to be financially sound i've got plans to do it and can use a contrast to talk about what she's going to do for you and her biggest obstacle she has to overcome is about 30% of voters who want to know more specifically about her policies. >> and there are specific questions. would you extend our support, extending trump's tax cuts or would you approach it differently? there are some things that i think she could get tonight that specifically hit people's pocketbooks that are going to resonate with independent voters. and she's gotten a, she's so far been able to articulate some forward-looking visions and she's close the margin on who would handle the economy back this recent ap data has voters supporting her just as much as donald trump on that, but she needs a more forward-looking agenda that separates her from

biden and distinguishes i so agree with what jay is said and i don't think i think you can fall into a trap if you're just listing proposals, you have to talk about the experience of people in this economy and she needs to make that connection here and talk about how her policies will actually help she's got practical policies when housing in taking care of an elderly parent on the kinds of things that people talk around a talk about around their kitchen table. >> and there are a lot of families in this country who are talking about that, not democracy, right i'll just say this with respect to both you guys brock obama is a great surrogate, right? >> kamala harris, as to actually you got to make that she's got to close the deal here on the way over here today, my uber driver from ghana who has been here ten years it doesn't know who i am. my mask and i'm kind of what you've paid attention. the election, how things go, and you're going to vote. >> i mean, he can't produce green card. >> he said all my friends. obviously he's from gotten african guys, all my friends. who you voted for? i can vote

all my friends who voted for trump i said really why said immigration is terrible. it's, it's killing us. i can't, i'm working to five jobs. i can't make i can't make a make it ends meet. and then he said the economy said it cost me so much to fill up the car, to put but food on my table. he said, these guys aren't doing enough to help that's my only tonight about address that. >> what does she do tonight about that beyond the saying, i'm for you, right. >> i mean, that's that's part of the here's a piece of documented evidence that you can point to it, which is the economists who say overwhelmingly that trump's economic proposals well drive inflation up. and hers won't certainly not to that degree. you know, she can actually in this case, take partial credit while distancing herself from the sitting president for the impact of the policies that have reduced inflation significantly in the last year-and-a-half, i think, you know, and then i think she has to talk about i think the affordable housing proposal that's all she has is novel and meaningful to a lot of voters. the $25,000 injection

to help us, you know, for small business, these things are meaningful. >> the depressor i hope i say what's the goal? >> market, the treasury market, and everything out there's a pretty terrifying right now. i don't know what it means. i'm not going to change the next hope she doesn't do is spend lot of time talking about the comments that trump has made about admiring hitler's generals or whether or not he's unfit for office. that's out there. >> it's getting plenty of attention. she needs to talk to extend. >> she's talking about his instability. it should be this is what i'm focused on, and that's what he's focused on. i'm going to focus on you. he's going to focus on his vengeance thing of the day and whose problems is that kindness or that, right? >> well, here we are. it's about to begin and we're going to get to see exactly what case she makes because it is time now for the big event, the cnn presidential