saw a solving these cases. victim advocates tell us they don't believe that tribal police have enough resources when advocate gave the example that sometimes victims have to travel over 200 miles on a reservation to go to a police substation. sometimes there were no officers there because there aos trial the salt other crimes. so resource major issue and so there's a lot of work still to be done. they also say the police chief on one reservation told me simply public awareness, these cases don't get enough attention. it's hard to ask the public to help solve crime if they don't know this is their existing john nearly enough attention was so much work to be done. josh campbell. thank you so much for your work on this. we've got a brand new hour of cnn news central starting right now will be joining kamala harris on the campaign. >> payne trail today. their message for battleground georgia and donald trump is headed out west to rallies in

two key swing states. in can chat gpt be tricked into helping people commit crimes? one, in tech firms says, yes. and is now raising the alarm. i'm kate bolduan with john berman and sara sidner. this is cnn new central the dangers of trump this morning. >> that appears to be the kamala harris strategy just a dozen days out from election day at the cnn town hall last night, harris do clear for lines between her and the rival. she says is a fascist do you think donald trump is a fascist? yes, i do. yes, i do. they also care about our democracy and not having a president united states who admires dictators. and as a fascist, he's going to sit there and stable, unhinge, plotting his revenge, plotting his retribution creating an

enemies list i'm going to tell you my list will be a list of how i address and continue to address the issues that you all are raising this afternoon and evening. it will be a to-do list and then let me is less versus a to-do list. she is putting that starkly out there. let's bring in chief national affairs correspondent jeff zeleny. now, jeff, that moment it clear, top takeaway this morning, gone from the joy and the weird talk to calling donald trump a fascist will it work to sway minds they sara, good morning. >> i mean, that of course is an open question which minds will it sway if any, but it is clear listening to the vice president there. it is time for voting. we know that more than 25 million americans have voted. she is drawing a very sharp contrast at every turn she can against the former president. she's closing this campaign really drawing this contrast, but this is her message that campaign about donald trump has become really the anthem of her

candidates. these trunk, she's trying to rally some of the democrats, of course, who may still be on the fence or not voting at all to focus on this race? and see this a distinction here. but she also has been trying for weeks to really explain how she would be the candidate of change. so that's one of the central issues here which candidate is viewed as a candidate of change? so she's been trying to put some distance between herself, how she would govern, and how president biden did my administration will not be a continuation of the biden administration. i bring to this role, my own ideas and my own experience. i represent a new generation of leadership on a number of issues and believe that we have to actually take new approaches and of course this comes on the heels of an answer she gave. to this very same question, just a few weeks ago on the view where she said she wouldn't change much at all. that has become an ad that the trump campaign has been

running in battleground states. so of course she said, look, i would not be a continuation that has been sort of one of her central answers going forward, but this is the challenge such issues seen as the change candidate or is donald trump, jeffries also had this challenge of people saying and pulling that they don't really know enough about her. >> she's now been out there. she's just done this town hall. do people know her better now? >> i think they certainly do and they will day by day. but sara, you're right. i mean, this candidacy has been very accelerated, very quick, but some of the more interesting moments i was at the town hall last night, listening to the questions about how she processes grief and how she thinks about other issues we're so interesting and filling in some of these gaps i was struck by her conversation about faith in this exchange i was raised to believe in a loving god to believe that your faith is a verb. >> you know you you, you live your faith and that that the

way that one should do that is that you're work and your life's work should be to think about how you can serve in a way that is uplifting other people that is about caring for other people and that guides a lot of how i think about my work and what is important that that don't often get as much attention here in this back-and-forth of drawing contrast. but it's things like that that help fill in the gaps for some voters who are wondering a little bit more about who she is. so that exchange and the one on a grieving about how her mother about how she grieved after her mother passed. certainly so interesting and sort of rounding out this full picture, sara, jeff zeleny, always a pleasure. thank you so much. appreciate it. kate. >> donald trump sounded like he did watch the cnn town hall last night, but maybe not close enough because trump is attacking harris on social media for saying she's, she's

gone as far as calling and adolf hitler, and she did not, but she did say that she agrees with trump's former chief of staff, john kelly, who told the new york times that donald trump fits the definition of fascist. trump also is continuing to attack the retired general john kelly, calling general kelly a total degenerate as for where he heads today, trump has gone to arizona and nevada. let's talk let's bring in cnn's alayna treene, who's tracking his campaign for us. and before that, he was at a rally in georgia last night. you were there. what did he say? >> i was it was in duluth, georgia suburb of atlanta. >> luck. it was a wide ranging rally. we really heard donald trump hit all of the key things we've heard them say repeatedly on the campaign trail, which is to talk about the economy to try and trash. harris his handling of the border. but one thing that was new and a little bit different all right kate was he said that he and this is when he was calling rfk jr. up to the stage, he said that he wanted to spend more money on health care or health is how he put it

than any other country. and of course, this comes as he has pledged that he would have rfk jr. served in any future administration if he were to win? in a role that would oversee health care. take a listen to how he put it we're also going to make america healthy again make our kids sicker and their diets more toxic under the trump administration, we will get the toxic chemicals out of our food supply and we will make our children healthy we will spend more money on health care than any other nation now, kate, this is obviously something that donald trump has just started to say in recent weeks, but i'll tell you where it's coming from. it is coming from rfk jr. this was a key platform that he had gone on before for dropping out and endorsing donald trump and part

of the reason trump keeps talking about this and mentoring rfk on the trail. i'm told us because they think he helps donald trump when it comes to women, they believe that women, obviously a key demographic that they are targeting right now are being swayed by this message particularly on health care about certain process foods and whatnot you heard rfk jr. speak on stage or i heard and last night when i was there in the arena, really focusing this on this as well. but one other thing that happened last night because i just it was so odd i feel like i have to bring it up to you this was a massive rally and a massive arena. there was a lot of high-profile republicans who spoke people like i said, rfk jr. but also tulsi gabbard dr. ben carson marjorie taylor greene, but also tucker carlson. and at one moment prior to donald trump taking the stage carlson actually told this story. he said that if donald trump were going to win, again, it would be like dad is coming home and he said like a father donald trump loves all his children. he was referring to democrats and the media, but said that he

would be quote at them. and then said that he would need to give them a vigorous spanking very odd language. but the reason i'm bringing this up is because it seemed to stick with the crowd in the room. donald trump came on stage, the crowd started screaming, daddy's home something. i have not heard on the trail so far, and i just felt it was a bit odd, so i wanted to share that with you this morning i'm going to i'm just going to leave it, john. >> thank you. realize. strangers best. thank you, john. >> i mean, look, it to be even more explicitly was talking about spanking girls. tucker carlson was talking about that a lot, which was notable and interesting to say the least. >> yes. >> all of the above. >> all right. if vice president harris is set to deliver a speech at the ellipse next week, we just it's learned that she's going to give this speech at the same location as donald trump's january 6 rally in 2020 this will be a closing

argument speech hitting the theme that she has been hitting lately last night at the town hall, she called donald trump a fascist. she's going to question his fitness for office now politico notes this morning, there headline in the political playbook is how harris ended up sounding like biden. remember joe biden, the trump, he believes is, was the main theme of his campaign. with us now is senator chris coons from delaware, co-chair of the harris-walz campaign. so senator to that point kamala harris calling donald trump a fascist talking about threats to democracy, holding that rally on the ellipse next week, as part of the closing argument, why the shift from, first of all, joy, second of all, i'm going to help the middle-class to threats to democracy. and do you believe it's the right one?

>> well, john, i thought she had a great town hall last night in pennsylvania where vice president harris showed an open open-hearted and an optimistic side. she got asked direct questions by undecided voters in pennsylvania and it wandered into subjects like, how does she process grief? how does she make decisions about her personal faith? and i think that was very positive. she also talked about specific ideas. she has for reducing, reducing costs like housing, child care, health care. but john, you're right. she also ended up talking about how donald trump is an existential threat to our democracy. it's not that she's made a shift in tone it's that donald trump has not just continued to have rally after rally, where he says alarming and concerning an off-balance, things. but that's accelerated the news broken by the new york times this week that donald trump's longest serving chief of staff, former marine corps general john kelly, believes that trump

has the instincts of a fascist that he admires authoritarians, that he's privately said complimentary things about adolf hitler. that was the news that propelled her comments last it's night. but frankly, that's nothing new. that's just what those who served most closely with trump in his white house in national service and intelligence and national security roles. forgive me. they all say the same thing that he's too great, a risk for us to take. >> what about the argument that we've heard right here on this show from governor chris sununu, republican from new hampshire, who says the fact that donald trump says nice things about hitler. well, that's baked into the cake at this point undecided voters. we heard from them last night and that great town hall, which could have been a debate, had donald trump had the courage to show up and actually debate kamala harris? and those undecided voters are

just tuning into this election. so even though we had a great convention, there was a debate between trump and harris. now, weeks ago, there are folks who need to hear one more time here's they're economic ideas donald trump has a terrible idea to impose a 20% nationwide sales tax that he calls a tariff on all imported goods. that means your groceries, your clothes, your furniture, your cars, everything that comes into this country from anywhere he wants to increase their costs. kamala harris has ideas for how address housing, health care, pharmaceuticals, childcare and make taxes fairer. you look at those two ideas. an independent reviewers like for example, goldman sachs say if trump gets to enact his ideas inflation will go up, growth will go down. kamala harris inflation goes down, growth goes up. i do think we need to keep making the case and i'm looking forward to vice president harris is closing argument this coming

week the wall street journal has a new poll out overnight in some of the underlying numbers show what other polls have shown. >> also, that on the question of in which direction is the country headed right track? wrong track. right now, only 26% say the country is headed in the right direction, 64% say the wrong track and that number is getting worse from august senator, i mean, how challenging is it for an incumbent party to run into those headwinds? >> so into some of the internals of polls that show that right track, wrong track number more and more americans think that their own economic situation and their community is getting better as there are more jobs available, as the manufacturing rebirth that was started under president biden and kamala harris because of the bipartisan infrastructure bill, because of the chips and science bill, folks are feeling better about their own prospects, but they are very

worried about the country being on the wrong track. and that's largely because of political division. look as i've campaigned across the country recently in ohio and michigan, arizona, and nearby in pennsylvania. i hear a lot of concern from folks about the future of the country. sure. now that's for different reasons in different places but they are concerned in large part because of the division and the nastiness there seeing on their television provisions in tv ads. and in discussions that they're having with family and friends about this election, just to that point, finally, on the whole, fascism discussion i suppose there are two things that the harris campaign needs to do here. it's a to convince voters that donald trump is a fascist and they're saying, look at what john kelly said to work with him but then you also have to convince voters. it may be republicans, maybe people in middle that they care. i mean, what will it say to you if people don't care that those close to donald trump say he is a fascist

believing at these two candidates and say, oh, i don't really care if donald trump violates the constitution, turns the military on his internal enemies her closing summary that donald trump has an enemies list and she has a to-do list that she's open to ideas from wherever they might come, that she wants to work across the aisle and solve the pressing problems that face our nation. >> going forward. i have a hard time believing that the average american will look at that contrast and choose donald i'll trump if they believe what republican after republican has now come out and said publicly what conservative congressmen, former congressman fred upton just said yesterday that he voted for kamala harris. he's joining a long list like my friend jeff flake, former conservative republican from arizona liz cheney was just tharon pennsylvania a few days ago campaigning with vice president harris. you don't see the same thing happening

with democrats who are endorsing donald trump. but there are dozens of republicans mayors, members of the house, members of the senate, and his own cabinet, who are publicly cautioning. he's too greater risk to take senator chris coons from delaware. thanks for being with us this morning sir. i had how much did kamala harris stray from the truth of town hall? we've got our daniel dale, he is going to do the fact-check and the decision pennsylvania supreme court just made about mail-in and provisional ballots that could have a hugely important impact in that battleground state. those stories and more ahead someone stole my au spice anti-person very now my little a person per day for us 24-7 swept protection. you did this to my pets welcome to the place where people go to learn about their medicare options. >> if before they're on medicare come on you're turning

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slim slice of the electorate who say they still have not made their minds up undecided voters. >> and they asked her a wide range of things at this town hall event, which would she expand the supreme court would she codify roe versus what roe v wade into federal law? what would she do about gaza and what's behind her policy reversals from when she last ran in 2019, the voters, they're hoping for clarity on her issues on all these things. cnn's daniel dale is here with the facts. daniel, let's start with the question on changing her positions on certain policies. one of those policies that's gotten a lot of attention is fracking an important issue in pennsylvania. let's play this moment >> we kind of dispensed with this in 2020. >> i am not going to ban fracking. i did not as vice president. in fact, as vice president, i cast the tie-breaking vote that now has opened up more fracking leases and you point out to when you're running for vice president in 2020 you were not talking about banning fracking but no, no, i know anderson. i pledge that i would not ban

fracking daniel. >> what are the facts here are the facts are that this claim is not true. >> vice president harris did not pledge in 2020 that she wouldn't ban fracking. her campaign has previously made clear that what she's talking about here is comments she made in her 12020 vice presidential with mike pence. but if you go look at the transcript of that debate, it's online or go watch it on youtube or wherever. you'll see that she did not say that she had abandoned. were changed her previous 2019 support for fracking ban, rather, she simply said that joe biden, who was then the head of the democratic ticket himself. we're not ban fracking listen to what she said >> and the american people now that joe biden will not ban fracking. that is a fact speaking about biden. >> he was the head of the ticket at the time, but her suggestion to anderson that this was a pledge that she

herself would not ban fracking as president just doesn't hold water so donald trump spoke last night event in georgia and showed a chart that he often uses. he claims it shows the level of legal immigration on the day that he left office let's let me let me play this that is the day i left office. look what happened after that. what they've done to our country is unbelievable so when you look at that, that was the best we had had and it was going better. we had it done the border was the most are the facts here? look we're all happy that turning to look at this chart help save former president trump's life at that pennsylvania rally in july. but it is not true that that red arrow that shows a low level of migration at the southern border points to the day he left office as he keeps claiming, if you actually look at the statistics behind this

chart, you'll we'll see that that low level of border crossing was in april 2020, more than eight months before he left office, not his last day. why does this matter? well, because he keeps saying, look, it was at its lowest level the day i left office, then it started increasing in fact, those increases happened while he was still president. in fact, they more than quadrupled pulled in the subsequent eight months. so you look at the actual numbers. april 2020 when migration was low because of covid related restrictions around the world, you had 16,182 border patrol encounters with migrants by january 2021, the month he actually left office, it was up to 75,003 316. so this claim it was at a record low and then biden and harris took over and explode and it exploded. not true. in fact, those sharp increases happened under president trump daniel dale. >> thank you sir. >> all right new revelations about what senate minority leader mitch mcconnell, really thought about donald trump his

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contrast between herself and donald trump at cnn's town hall saying, if he wins, he'll be focused on rep. you bhushan not the american people you can look at a donald trump in the white house after january 20, sitting in that oval office plotting his revenge. he's going to sit there and stable, unhinged, plotting his revenge, plotting his retribution creating an enemies list i'm going to tell you my list will be a list of how i address and continue to address the issues that you all are raising this afternoon and evening. it will be a to-do list about how we can impact the american people joining us now to discuss is republican governor of north dakota, doug berman and a trump supporter. harris, you just heard her say she has to do less. she's telling the

american people on trump hasn't enemies list. what do you think of that? >> well, sara, first of all, thanks to cnn for an anderson cooper for hosting the town hall last night. i think americans were pleased to see that the vice president harris was getting asked a basic questions that any other presidential candidate would have been asking, been answering for the last 18 months. so i think it would it was enlightening for the american people to see those answers, but i, in terms of the rhetoric that occurred last night, one thing that i know about donald trump is that he's very focused on the things that voters care about right now and they have doesn't matter who says, what about him, but they've got the experience that under president trump in inflation was really nonexistence that we had peace abroad and we had prosperity at home. and i think that that's what the voters that are left to vote are going to be focusing on in the next two weeks governor, you mentioned some of the things that people have been saying about donald trump, but it's not just people his longest serving

chief of staff, marine general, veteran john kelly, calling trump a fascist who said hitler did some good things, retired general mark milley who trump picked as his joint chiefs of staff described trump as a fascist to the core. >> and the most dangerous person to the country. these are people spent a good deal of time working with donald trump, do any of these warnings from his own former cabinet members give you pause about your support for donald trump well hundreds if not thousands, or millions of people that have either know president trump worked with president trump, that have great things to say about them. >> this is typical, the end, but election where everybody comes out and shares their opinion but the thing that i do know is his record and his record say on israel is that no president has ever been stronger in supporting our ally israel. what president trump did for israel was incredible whether it's the embassy, whether it's golan heights, abraham accords unquote, you unequivocally support for

israel. and then we've got vice president harris, who just last week on tape saying that israel was committing genocide and so if you talk about what someone said about trump five years ago about what vice president said, what she said five days ago. i think the record kelly said yeah, john kelly said that now, his longest serving chief of staff, that was something he said two days ago yeah. talking about five years ago. and so it's like again, if you've got a i appreciate anyone who served in the military and in appreciative of their support. but if he had concerns, you could have said it when he was working for him five years ago, he could have said it when he left the white house he waits still 12 days before the election and so this is a time where this rhetoric has been around 80 years ago coming out of world war ii, we, harry

truman was saying the same things about his opponents. so this is not a new thing in america that we have this kind of rhetoric at the, at the end of a vague and i think we have this case with americans could actually look at the record of president trump versus, versus harris. and i think the differentiate is true, is clear and on the things that matter to voters are secure borders, safe cities affordable food, gas an energy policy that strengthens america as opposed to strengthen our adversaries, you know, all these things. this is why president trump has gotten momentum in the polls right now. and that's why the remaining voters are likely going to put him back in office i want to ask you about something that was recorded by our betsy klein, who said that donald trump's campaign has so far missed too important deadlines meant to a in the peaceful transfer of power if he were to win the election. >> and those include an ethics plan, the names of staff who need security clearances, among other things. do you know why this hasn't been submitted even though we're 12 days out from the the election i think

this is a red herring topic the president trump will be the first person in our lifetime ever to come in to a term who's already been president? >> the ability for him to just trauma that he's already done. it's done. that's in the past. right. so he could just easily follow the guidelines and submit it this is this is more, it's i don't want to call it bureaucratic. i mean, as someone who's right now been dealing with the federal government as a governor, i dealt with an under president trump. i dealt with it under president biden and vice president harris to me, this is more federal you know, federal rules, regulations and none of this is going to affect the transition, the trump transition team has never been ready. there's there's thousands of qualified people from the private sector and who worked in a previous administration ready to jump back in? that's a meaningless

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voting and manufacturers and absurdity. the decision is likely to affect thousands of mail-in ballots out of the millions that will be cast in pennsylvania. a lot happening in pennsylvania. so joining us right now is the man in charge of running the election there? secretary, of state of pennsylvania al schmidt, secretary. thank you for coming in. it's a significant decision from pennsylvania's highest court cut through the jargon for me, what's your reaction to this? >> so we always want aside in favor of enfranchisement. it's not a question of voters casting two votes or anything else like that. it's making sure that if there is a meaningless error in casting a mail ballot, that there is a remedy. and the remedy would be he that voters could still show up at the polling place on election day and cast a provisional paper ballot that will be checked to make sure there aren't two votes cast or anything else like that. but i'm glad the pennsylvania supreme court cited in favor of

our voters and in enfranchisement and if folks do not know, i mean, people learn a lot about you and you're a philadelphia counting philadelphia county commissioner last cycle, you are a lifelong republican, and there have been a really a flood of voting lawsuits coming from republicans republicans bringing these challenges. >> they say that they, but they went to ensure his only legal votes are counted. what to say about these republican efforts. so close to the election >> more troubling ones is the first one that you mentioned, which is challenging voters who are service members and their dependents and families overseas and their ability to cast their vote and make their voice hurd. i would think that we would all want to embrace that. that no one would want to get in the way of that especially, i mean, as a republican that, that law was passed under ronald reagan, who signed it to make sure that our service members abroad serving

our country can cast their vote in every election you've been traveling to try to make it to all 67 counties. >> secretary in pennsylvania to meet with election officials ahead of election day. i think you might be almost there, maybe rounding out 67, maybe this >> what are you what are or election officials these, the local people who are really on the ground running this, making sure it all goes the way it should. what are they telling you shapiro administration's commitment to supporting our county partners elections in pennsylvania are really run at the county level. >> so while the pennsylvania department of state has an important oversight responsibility, we have a perhaps even more important responsibility to support our county partners. >> i had my 66 county visit yesterday out of 67, so there's only 11 left to go, but it's really a matter of

hearing from the people who run elections at the county level who interact with voters every day to make sure that we can all do everything we can for this selection to run smoothly and voters to be able to cast their vote and have confidence that it will be counted i was there in philadelphia for the election which turned into election week last time, and it did take days to count the mail-in ballots and get a result because of in this gets to pennsylvania law that prevents mail-in ballot that's from being processed early, that loss still on the books that has not changed so what has changed since 2020 >> you're right, kate, i mean, that laws are the same as they were four years ago that prevented counties from beginning to process those ballots before election day. they can only begin at 7:00 a.m. on election day. i'm like other states, red and blue alike. the begin that process days, if not weeks in advance. but there have been a couple of things that have changed since

2020. counties have acquired additional equipment that will assist in sorting and timestamp, adding an opening envelopes faster. >> counties have a lot more experienced than they had in 2020, which was brand new to all of us at the county level, that volume of mail ballots being cast and fewer voters voting by mail. >> then in 2020 during that peak, covid environment, voting by mail is still widely embraced in pennsylvania. that is improved accessibility enormously. it's just a matter of people, fewer people voting now that we're sort of beyond that peak covid environment, i mentioned it is really could come down to pennsylvania once again this time around after living through the chaos that was the last election day and the days that followed. >> are you worried? about what's to come >> i know our county partners are professionals, and another civil servants, and then i know

they're doing everything they can to make sure that every voter in pennsylvania, republican, democrat, and other alike can cast her vote and have their vote counted. it's it's not a matter of worrying, kate. it's a matter of preparation. and whether it's a setting up. the governor shapiro's election threats task force or anything else will be prepared in the event that any of that ugliness returns that so many of us experienced in 2020? >> given that days after and it was i think saturday, saturday, the election was called after the tuesday of election day. have you been able to anyone in your office started to wade your bets on when you think it it'll how it will go this time in pennsylvania? >> i think that election should probably not be wagering battle you know, you never know what turnout is going to be like. you never know who's going to win or who's going to lose. but we are all committed to doing what we can to make sure that we

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