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continuing to analyze the situation. once we have proof, we will be contents. the nuns acknowledged they are in a swing county in a swing state and misinformation is bound to flow in these final days of the presidential election. do you think this whole incident is going to galvanize more sisters here to vote you don't need to galvanize the sisters here to vote they will vote. they all vote these nuns all vote, they're also not afraid of a fight. >> they tell me that they've actually reached out to their attorneys to see if they might take any legal action after this incident? >> erin fascinating story and fascinating report, danny, thank you very much doing that, going knocking on the doors and getting the facts. before we go tonight, earlier tonight, we do were discussing those major newspaper has endorsed harris and did so
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back in september, have a great weekend. anderson starts now >> we start tonight with breaking news moments ago, israel's military confirming that tonight it conducd what they called precise strikes on military targets in iran three strike the strikes come after reports by iranian state media of explosions in the capital tehran. these this response, this is in response to the october 1 iranian missile attack on israel, which was part of an escalating regional conflict. that's also seen israeli troops entering southern lebanon and the killings and the head of the iranian-backed group hezbollah, plus the political leader of hamas, while he was in tehran, we're going to start with jeremy diamond in tel aviv tonight. so what have you learned jeremy? >> well, anderson, the israeli military is now confirming that strikes are indeed underway against what they are describing as military targets inside of iran, they did call these strikes, quote, precise strikes on military targets in iran and israeli officials tonight are taking pains to
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emphasize that there were no energy targets neither nuclear or oil targets that were hit in these israeli strikes tonight, we don't have a ton of more detail about exactly what the nature of these targets are. but iranian state media is indeed reporting that there were explosions in the iranian capital of tehran. the israeli military says that it has every right and duty to respond to what it describes as continuous iranian attacks by itself, as well as its proxies. of course, this is primarily retaliation for that barrage of some 200 ballistic missiles that iran fired at the beginning of this month. over the course of the last three-and-a-half weeks, there has been mounting anticipation about exactly how israel will respond as they initially did consider striking those nuclear and oil targets, but appear to have been talked off of that ledge by the united states. by the united states, which very much wanted to see a much more limited response. the question now, of course becomes how iran will respond and how quickly they will do so.
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>> we really don't have a sense of how long the strikes may continue for the exact nature of the targets, what's the white house saying tonight or is the idf saying anything else? >> well, the white house is making very clear that the united states was not involved in these strikes according to a senior administration official saying that they are not participating in this military operation. we are also learning that israel did indeed informed the united states ahead of this. and there has been very close cooperation between israel and the united states in the lead up to this strike not only with those consultations, of course, between us and israeli officials, president biden getting on the phone with the israeli prime minister directly in recent weeks, but also of course, it's important to note that the united states lots at the beginning of last week deployed the thaad air defense system too. israel, presumably in anticipation of potential iranian retaliation for the strike that we are indeed seeing tonight. and to try and deter a future iranian
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response. we had heard reports before that iran might, might respond very quickly to an israeli strike. but it it's not clear yet how quickly that will actually happen. and of course the question is, will iran now look to de-escalate or will we look at another escalatory cycle of retaliation that could of course plunge iran and israel more directly into an all-out war. >> alright, jeremy diamond, appreciate it. thanks very much. will continue to follow the story updated with any new developments. i want to turn to the state of the presidential race here, former president trump expected to speak at a rally in michigan any moment, hours after he left texas, where vice president harris is scheduled for his second star-studded event in as many days this evening. tonight, she'll be joined on stage for the first time by beyonce texas may seem a curious staffer, democratic nominee with only 11 days until election day, but she's using the state and its strict laws and abortion as a backdrop to discuss reproductive rights and women's health, which is obviously a key theme of her
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campaign, that she previewed earlier today. >> sadly the elected leaders of texas, a lot of them have made texas ground zero in this fundamental fight for the freedom of women to make decisions about their own body so tonight we will be discussing the impact of that not only to the women of texas and their families but to people around the country because of trump abortion bans in texas, of course, is also a major focal point on the battle over immigration and border control. yesterday and again today, the foreign president has been calling united states and garbage can. and he's blaming migrants today, harris responded let's just another example of how he really belittles our country. the president of the united states should be someone who elevates discourse and talks about the best of who we are and invest in the best of who we are. not
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someone like donald trump was constantly demeaning and belittling who the american people are. america deserves better but earlier today when trump was in texas, moments before he appear on stage, he wants to get tweeted threats about jailing and prosecuting american citizens that he perceives his enemies. it reads in part, when i when those people that cheated will be prosecuted to the fullest extent, of the law, which will include long-term prison sentences he also writes, please be aware that this legal exposure extends two lawyers, political operatives, donors, illegal voters, and corrupt election officials. those involved in unscrupulous behavior will be sought levels. unfortunately, never seen before in our country by the way, he's also threatening the special counsel who has not broken any law, but is investigating and has filed charges against the former president killers, murderers and mentally deranged. >> you have to get about and we should throw jack smith had with them dimensionally deranged people. jack smith should be considered mentally granger. they should be thrown
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out of the country the man who wants to be president threatening a special counsel working for the department of justice. >> no complaints from republican leaders in the house or senate about that. but earlier in the day center, mitch mcconnell and speaker mike johnson warned vice president harris of all people in a statement that she is the one who needs to tone down the political rhetoric they mentioned both this fascination attempts against the former president and then wrote this, i'm quoting the democratic nominee for president, united states has only fan the flames beneath a boiling cauldron of political animus. her most recent and most reckless in vocations of the darkest evil of the 20th century seemed to derek to boil over vice president's words more closely resemble those of president trump's second would be assassin than her own earlier appeal to civility. now they are referring to the fact that harris called the foreign president of fascist during our cnn town hall with her when she only did after two top generals who unserved the former president said the very same thing. the foreign president's former chief of staff, john kelly, told the new york times this week quote, he certainly
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falls into the general definition of fascist, for sure. and the former president is joint chiefs of staff chairman mark milley told bob woodward that trump is quote, fascist to the core. when mcconnell and johnson did not mention though, they are certainly aware of it, is that for quite awhile mr. trump has been using the term fascist against harris and a lot of others. he doesn't like she is a fascist, fascist bashes far-left fascists. >> these are young, smart people that happened to be fascist, fascist. >> his fascist fascist movement that wants to throw you in jail. >> fascist. this is fascist fascist. the fascist, he is surrounded by fascists, the corrupt and fascist regime so lots of discuss with republican media consultants, strategists brad todd, cnn contributor, and the new york times, lulu garcia navarro and ashley allison, former national coalitions director for the biden-harris 2020 campaign. >> ashley, how much i mean, do you think it's wise for harris to be devoting this day to be in texas. obviously beyonce is there are a lot of other people
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there but the focus is going to be on abortion rights ai do think it's important that the vice president is in texas for a couple of reasons. >> first, i mean, where does days out from this election and that's in it races still in play. and so part of what you do in a campaign is that you go places where you can have ripple effects. so she's doing that. she doesn't think she's going to win the state but if we went that pick up that senate seat, which was a long stretch, but now i think the race is almost tied could really bode well for democrats, but also she's going to texas. she has beyonce, this is how campaigns work. the ripple effect that she her appearance in texas will have will go into battleground. states, will go into states that also governor's races and senate races and house races. so she's going to be in texas. and if area where traditionally democrats don't do extremely well. but her message will go across the country and she said it herself. texas is ground zero for the abortion. lot of people have lost their lives. they want to prosecute doctors.
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they want to prosecute citizens who just help women have bodily autonomy taking the fight to where it really start is super important. and i think it will go and make be a national message that can have ripple effect. plus she has the queen b. so like, why not go to beyond stays hometown? what a better message can you have? >> brad? i mean, she also did draw the former president, i guess, to texas today as well. so if are people complaining she's off the campaign trail and battleground states he is as well, at least really saw that texas is a great place further to campaign. and i think that vice president harris has a great chance tonight, no state has been impacted more by this administration's failure on an illegal illegal immigration. and then texas and it's the issue or that's costing her her best chance at the election right now, she trails known about 16. she leaves on a lot of issues, but immigration and the way this administration is handling it's hurting her. i think she should go to houston tonight and declare that she understands they made a mistake and she's going to do things differently. it'd be the best it's think she could do to
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turn the election around ashley. >> i mean, what about that? that the notion, i mean, i it seems unlikely that that's something that she would suddenly do now with the short amount of time. but do you think that would have been something for her to do earlier? just say look, yeah, sure. i wish we put these executive orders and faster and move on i think what she has done a said that we have a problem with immigration that has been way before her administration. >> both democratic administrations and republican administrations have not been able to move the ball for what i do think she's just say tonight. is that there could have been a bill to fix the problem and help the problem the her opponent stopped it. so i mean, i appreciate reds point and i understand why he would say that, but i think she is able to have a message about the future forward. and what she would do when this administration and not just fix the problem, but also stop the rhetoric about how immigrants are poisoning our blood how they don't give to society.
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she could talk about a lot of issues that are important. the economy, immigration, abortion, and democracy because we also know texas is somewhat ground-zero for a lot of voter suppression tactics as well. and so she could really have a comprehensive message tonight. and what's i think you will hear from her lulu, do you think this is a missed opportunity if vice versa, harris doesn't address the issue the immigration your speech tonight in texas or do you think she should stay focused on reproductive rights? >> yeah. no, i don't think she should be focusing on immigration because i do think it is the issue that she pulls the most weakly on and i think the democrats really have a lot of explaining to do on what has happened in terms of the surge of illegal immigration he should under the biden administration you know, most voters are constantly looking at this issue and saying why has this happened and why didn't you do anything sooner? so it's not something that she's going to win on she's focusing on women that is her strongest issue. that is who she speaking to in this in this selection. those are the voters, the reliable voters that are going to come out authat are going to be voting
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on roe and she should really be laser-focused on them actually in addition to according the u.s to garbage can, the foreign president also said that towns had been quote, invaded and conquered, and that some haven't been quote, infected yet. >> i mean, do you think any disgust with that sort of language is already baked into the electorate it is. >> i mean, but i just want to talk to voters for a second to even the panel is like he's calling our country garbage was means he's calling us garbage too, because we live here and so i don't want anybody leading me that thinks i'm trash he talks about going out a us citizen and that's why the vice president said he was a fascist. that's why his chief of staff said he is a fascist because that's what dictators do. they do political exile, they run people who don't agree with them out of their country because they're
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dictator and they don't believe in democracy. so i think that is important to keep saying that because even if donald trump wins, i refused to normalize that behavior. and the effort to preserve our democracy. but before the election is called, and while voters can still vote, talk about the issues, but also talk about the threat, it is constantly a yes. and i know there are still some undecided voters out there and i think that message will resonate with them. brad, i mean i guess it doesn't surprise. maybe you shouldn't surprise people, but i did find it. again to ashley's point, it is not normal for somebody who wants to be present, united states be talking about deporting a special counsel, a guy who's just assigned to this and doing his job well, i mean, i don't think he doesn't mean that about jack smith doesn't mean that i just said hey, this is the way that was just the way donald this is the way donald trump talks. and he doesn't mean i about jackson sorry, i'm fly anymore not keep on
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saying that. donald trump says i, mean, anything we know that they do, we that they do the things that he says that things that he tweets actually become policy. we also know by the way, i mean, if we're talking about immigration, we know there was an interview that was given by the former immigrations are the real one for the trump administration. stephen miller, who talked about expelling millions if people creating huge camps in texas on the border. i mean, that there are plans in place to enact this very draconian agenda right away. and so, you know, you can talk about rhetoric, but there are policies to back them up. this isn't just about words, balloon, the public conditions. they were being upset do mean at the convention, they had printed out signs that they were handing out to people saying mass deportation. hold on just a second though the american public is very aware of donald trump's immigration policies, his actual policies when he was president there aware of joe biden and kamala
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harris has policies and he leads on the issue by 16 points by 16 points she's the one that's out of step with where the public is here, not think the american public wants citizens deported because they are doing a gi immigration policy that's a according american citizens read you would agree that if he, if he went immigration policy if he was to do that i assume. >> let me ask you, you believe that would not be an appropriate thing to do, that that would course not terribly on he also said if he shot someone on fifth avenue and i don't approve shooting someone on fifth avenue, but let's get in the real world here, we have two people who are very known there in a dead heat race the american public is very concerned about the way donald trump talks. >> there's no question that the voters are concerned about that they're very concerned about the way kamala harris acts and what she does in office. that's where we are and we can express all kind of outrage if we want, but that's one of this time election.
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>> go ahead. and lose. >> it, isn't i'm sorry. but isn't the truth that actually you have both sides of this electorate frozen. we are ending this campaign almost where it started when there was a different democratic candidate, neck and neck basically, you have people in this country who disliked donald trump intensely and you have people who support him intensely. and so at the end of the dataset say that the american people are out of, out of step with kamala harris. that's simply not true. >> on the issue of immigration, they are, but she can fix it. we can fix it. >> we'll see we're listen a little bit more than a week ago, brad, todd, lulu garcia navarro, ashley allison. thank you very much coming up the latest on the retaliatory strikes in tehran confirmed by israel's military. also, we're going to mean to you bringing who immigrated to north carolina and hope to find members of her family still missing after hurricane helene are gary tuchman has that story and more from the battleground states everything's stupid. sunday at
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house, both confirming that these retaliatory strikes by israel are underway. the white house putting out a statement on the record just moments ago saying that these targeted strikes are against military targets in iran they're calling it an exercise of self-defense. self-defense in response to those iranian strikes. the 180 ballistic missiles back on october 1st for the past three weeks, anderson, there has been a huge amount of worry in this town about how israel would retaliate. any considerable amount of pressure from wall washington on israel to do it in a rather limited and calibrated way so that this doesn't further escalate. know what that has meant is a specific pressure from the president on the record saying that he wished that iran would not go after nuclear or oil targets, and it does appear that right now, israel, at least for now, is going after these military targets. so we're trying to figure out what those are. they could be barracks, they could be
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training facilities, they could be command and control centers. anything that has to do with iran's missile system. but does it stop there? you could also see a scenario in which israel would use cyber capabilities or special forces capabilities as well. i think anderson, one thing that we need to take into consideration is is this the kind of strike that. iran is going to absorb and say, okay, essentially, now we're even, or are they going to feel really threatened by what israel is doing tonight? and respond perhaps very quickly. that is, that is a major you're fear, but anderson, this does feel like we're kind of at the beginning of this retaliatory response, unclear how long it may last alex we have matthew. >> matthew, i'm wondering if you're hearing anything from the iranian government or more about what the idf has said about what has occurred >> well, i've been in touch with figures inside the israeli
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military and what they've told me is they've, they've tried to underline this idea that these are military targets that have been struck or that are being struck as part energy infrastructure targets were hit and that includes either oil facilities, all nuclear facilities. that's according to my sources inside the israeli military. and of course that's something the united states and president biden in particular called on the israelis to hold back from hitting those kinds of targets. so it seems at this stage even though the very early stage of this operation that it's just military targets that are being that are being struck right now, which may provoke less of a response, perhaps, depending on what was actually targeted and who, if anybody was killed in these strikes from the iranians it's also been confirmed, as you've seen, from the u.s. side, that us planes that us forces were not engaged in this. and that's been reiterated by sources in
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the israeli military as well saying this attack was 100% israeli at what i haven't been able to get from valmy israeli sources is any sense of how broad this retaliation is, because there have been reports in iraq in baghdad, and in damascus in syria of explosions as well. there's no comment coming to us at the moment from the israeli military about whether they're responsible for that, or whether there are strikes on those countries as part of this broader retaliation action against iranian interests. >> that chance, we'll check in with you throughout the night. alex marquardt as well, joining us now cnn chief international anchor, christiane amanpour. christiane, i mean, the last time there were retaliatory strikes against iran by israel. their words largely symbolic sort of message sending. they were also in response to the iranian attack on israel what do you make of what we have seen thus far or heard thus far
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from israel's military well, to put it all in perspective and context, it appears that the last time it was sort of a hit perhaps a radar station somewhere around esfahan this appears to be actual aircraft according to the idf and according to the united states, actually, in some way, drone hoping bombs or missiles on iran directly from their own planes so this would be a very first to put this into context, a very first time that this kind of engagement has actually happened. >> iran has been preparing for this ever since it's 200 missiles, ballistic missile barrage against israel bag in early in early october. and the question has always been from the iranian perspective, if you look at the reporting, if you hear what the iranian officials have been saying is how big will it be and what are our options? >> should we respond? >> so if it's more symbolic or
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more something we can absorb and we expect as retaliation from israel or is it something much bigger, much wider targeted at the regime targeted as you've been discussing, the crucial oil infrastructure, or indeed the nuclear infrastructure. and then what would they the potentially they think themselves forced to respond to? so i do think it's going to be important to see the scale of what israel is doing. and then to see whether iran decides that it has to respond potentially in any event, it might respond according to sources, somewhat, but in a way that all sides understand that this is happening. this it has happened, it's been in response to all these kinetic activities over the last several months. >> and now they need to draw a hold under the bottom line. >> is that all of this now is about deterrence. all of it, whether it was israel striking syria first and then that killed iranian officials. remember that building in damascus, that was in april
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that iran responded. and then again, israel killing a hernia ismail haniyeh, the head of hamas inside, inside iran. it is not admitted that but everybody believes that that is what israel did or other israel did do that iran then sending more missiles back included putting the killing of its ally and proxy hassan nasrallah of hezbollah. so all of this is just so much strike counter-strike, an attempt to establish deterrence and attempt to potentially certainly from iran's perspective, they don't want to see it spin out of control. the bottom line is israel is the dominant military force in the region and iran, while it's the dominant, let's say, regional force, it has got not at all the where with all to challenge israel. >> and it sees, its allies they've been decimated in that region, whether it's hamas or whether it's hezbollah, et cetera.
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>> and from reporting outside of your on it doesn't look including from officials like it wants to get into a massive much bigger war with israel. >> and we should point out that israel is emphasizing this. jeremy diamond is reporting and from there that it did not attack any energy targets. obviously, no nuclear facilities, that means and no oil facilities. and the number of those oil facilities are actually quite vulnerable. i mean, it could be in terms of certainly compared to the nuclear facilities could be, could be relatively easily hit. and a lot of economic damage done. but israel saying that they were not being targeted either that's right. >> in fact, when i spoke to the former israeli prime minister, ehud brought a few weeks ago when everybody was expecting, everybody knew that this was going to happen. the international community knew iran knew everybody's waiting. the arab countries in the region of the gulf, countries, we don't yet know oh how israel's fluids planes, and what direction it took. i mean, i haven't seen a map and i haven't seen the trajectory,
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but it meant that they would potentially have to fly over several arab nations, whatever the countries that stand between israel and iran, it would have to get permission and iran has been a, diplomatic offensive over the last several weeks, trying to make sure that saudi arabia, the united arab emirates, the gulf countries in their words, stayed neutral. it was saying that anybody who appeared to be not just taking part, but allowing this strike would be considered a legitimate target that one thanks to the united states as well. there's been a lot of telegraphing of posture but you're right, the united states did not want potentially the global oil supply and therefore the global economy to be shaken, it's considered almost impossible for the important nuclear yes, sites to be attacked other than by particular strength bombs that only the united states has. and the delivery systems in terms
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of aircraft that only the united states as that was always considered potentially an on-starter question is, is it ballistic missile attacks? is it revolutionary guard? and how close as it get to the regime? >> christian amanpour. thank you. we'll continue to follow this throughout the night up next with former president trump expected on stage soon in michigan and vice president harris, old houston rally tonight with beyonce trying to make the case for reproductive freedom nationwide to political players. you may, their name is running for, running major presidential campaigns will join me next to talk about the state of the race place in the morning. i'm so glad i can still come here. you see i was diagnosed with obstructive hcm and there were some days i was so short of breath. i thought i'd have to settle for never stepping foot on this trail again, i became gray. at making excuses but i have people who count on me. so i talked to my cardiologist. i said there must be more we can do for my symptoms. he told me
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senator john mccain's 2000 presidential bid my can david to longtime friends and co-host of the hacks on tap podcast. they join me tonight for vice president harris to be campaigning in texas tonight?
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>> well, look, she's doing what really is a national event as she wants to make abortion rights a center of the campaign. and you look at polling and you can see why i think in the cnn poll today, certainly one of the polls abortion rights was by far and away the issue that people said was it was a absolute must for them. the more people said that was a deal breaker for them. and this is really a major plus for her and her campaign. it's a big distinction with trump and she's going to use texas as the backdrop. >> like, do you think it makes sense for the vice president to be doing that tonight you've also said it's time for bruit more brute force closings for the candidates. what do you mean by that well, that means flood the zone four or five event days, a lot in prompt dues create the visual image of her out there earning it. >> so no, i don't think she should be in texas. i think axe is right. it's a national
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platform. it's not a disaster. and she lord for trump, there. they're both wasting a day going into a state that isn't in play. so i guess it's a tie, but no, i think this is a dead even race. every event counts and i'd be in the key states. >> david, i mean, is there any reason to think that the general kelly's description of trump is a fascist, which now the vice president saying directly that yes, he is a fascist and said that are at our town hall. do you think that is resonating with people look, anderson, you've heard me say this before. >> if i think it's a deadly serious issue and today trump was threatening to jail election workers after the election if he, if he senses and improprieties and so on. but he's talking about jack smith, which i just ludicrous yeah. i mean, he's getting wilder by the day. it's concerning, but i've said many times, if you're if you're thinking about if you're talking about democracy over the dinner table is because you you don't have to worry about the cost of groceries on your
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dinner table and i think the people who are hanging out in this race the people who may make the difference in this race are likely influenced by issues closer to home. i thought in your town hall with her the best line of the night for her was when she said he's going to come to office with enemies list and i'm going to come to office with a to do list and that to do list is going to be the concerns we're discussing here tonight. i think that's where she should be and you can see in that cnn polling, the this notion of retribution against enemies is a major concern of people. his, his temperament is overwhelming think we've 56% said this was a reason not to vote for him. this is what's keeping the race close in a country where 28% of people say we're on the right track. the incumbent party has no business being in the race. i mean, by historical measures, this would be disqualifying, but people have such deep concerns about donald trump so i don't think the issue of fascism itself is one
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that is going to move people. i think that people were moved by it or already supporting kamala harris, but i think that the idea that he's going to be spending every waking day to think about how to screw is enemies instead of working to help people is a powerful issue. >> well, i mean, the foreign president is certainly playing into that talking i mean, again today about deporting mass numbers of people who are setting up camps. i mean, deporting again, jack smith, who's just doing his job for the department of justice yeah. >> no, no. i trump has decided to close the campaign, not on the economy was better under me, but on the jack boots are coming message, we're going to build a monument to the vermont trump's doing her a favor, but she doesn't have to be in that dialogue with him. i don't mind a one-liner out every day to keep the fire going, but i agree with facts on this she. has to close the deal that when you vote for her, you get a better economic life for the middle-class. and that's talking about things do cost too much i'm new, new advisers
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new policy, change in the right direction on your side, the pounding that in places where they're feeling economic pain because that's the main spring of trump's campaign, isn't there? holding their nose, but they do think things were better under him and she's got to go right at that i do think the contrast is important though. >> i think the contrast of a guy who's totally consumed by himself and his vengeance and someone who's going to wake up every day thinking about how she can do constructive things it's to help people in solve problems. i think that's a powerful contracts does mike? thank you. can go right up in the you know, telling voters were already think he's crazy, he's crazy, he's, he's proving that every day it's a gift or she's got to move the needle him hearn, it's a mix. it's a mix of things might do you think the kamala harris, liz cheney kind of rhode tour? >> was helpful in any way. is there is there really a big pool of people who think that might have influenced yeah, i think there's some i mean,
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we're battling over mike crimes here. you know, there are two there are two needles to be moved. one is can some republicans come over and vote for her and does liz cheney and what ron omni has said about trump, give them a permission structure and by the way, i'm telling my republican friends who tell me i just can't vote for a democrat, but i don't like trump. i say, well, you can go halfway there. you don't have to vote for trump skipped the ballot. work your way down. it's still take some vote out of him in a key state that count. so i think that permission structure is but it's abundance single. the economic stuff is the most important. i think. >> i mean, every day we're seeing different calls and people have wake up and freak out david. how much stock do you put in polls at this time? >> listen, you add them all up. what they what they say is this is a really tight race, too tight for any poll to accurately predict. it's going to go right down to the wire. >> david axelrod, mike murphy.
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or a parasitic infection don't change our stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor child sex and was specialist about three pixels i'm manu raju in battleground wisconsin. >> this is cnn john king recently returned to the suburbs of philadelphia as he wants down his all over the map series looks at the people and places that could decide the election over the past 13 months, john and his team and made 25 trips to ten states. >> tonight, he meets with one time nikki haley's supporters to see who they're backing now stickler for detail in preparation pennsylvania is archery dear and it's now open this range a place to shoot targets and adjust your gear. we go rifle season is a month away at this stop, pasi is no nonsense just a few shots to
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help him adjust the site. >> no of the war to let a visit or get a feel for the 30 odd six deir rifle conservative in every way, no wasted shots or time, everything by the book, not a fan of surprises. yet pasi is voting for kamala harris because he has even less of a fan of donald trump. you're going to vote for her. but do you know what you're getting? >> no, i don't and that's the scary part is i'm not voting for a candidate. i'm not voting for a policy. i'm voting against a candidate and policies and not even all the policy is just the unstable some of the things he says they're truly scary pace. he is a reagan republican, supported nikki haley in this year's gop primaries a never trumper in a place where that really matters. bucks county, one of the suburban philadelphia counties crucial to the math in battleground, pennsylvania he wants his party back and sees a second trump loss as essential. >> then i think that the
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republicans will start coming back to what they were because they don't have that radical right side. they don't have the craziness and the instability berks county is a bit more away from the city, more rural and more republican, yet not as deep and reliably red as just a few years ago. >> this neighborhood is becoming a lot like the philadelphia suburbs. this is a primarily republican leaning burrow, has always has been but when it comes to national elections, i do see more and more support for democratic candidates attorney joe london switched her registration to independent after voting for haley in the gop primary london was asked to join this local political program not long after our first visit, five months ago. >> back then, she told us she would write in a conservative because she viewed president biden as too old. and later she told us she viewed vice president harris as too liberal and untested that would then she watched the harris trump
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debate. >> the last straw was what he said about the ukraine, where he said that we have to have a negotiated settlement for someone who claims to be a conservative to say that was in my opinion, outrageous. it's appeasement. >> so london is now voting harris voting democrat for president for the first time because she believes trump must lose, because she gets the battleground state math. >> i needed to vote against allowing him to become president again, i don't want it on my my conscience that i contributed in some way to that. sometimes you have to say american first conservative, second, republican, third media is in delaware county, just outside philly, reliably blue now but still a test of whether harris can match or exceed biden it's 2020 math it's also a big test for trump he lost the philly suburbs in 2016, but
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narrowly won statewide but he lost the suburbs by a bit more in 2020. >> and he narrowly lost pennsylvania were getting to the end here. have you made up your mind know cynthia sabatini is another never trumper, another haley primary voter another republican who won't vote for him, but isn't sure about her finish the sentence. >> aumadam, vice president, if you want my vote here in the very important philadelphia suburbs, you need to do you need to answer provide more details about your economic plan you need to provide more details about your vision. also for this country. >> you know what bottom line person i won details sabatini is mad at local democrats. she sees as tax and spend happy. >> is she going to pay the price for that? >> she may she may but she does
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see an upside for harris over trump. >> i believe she's a person of character. i have no qualms about that. i really do. i think she's an upstanding individual it's just that i'm really don't know what to expect from her if she is indeed elected sabatini meditates frequently to clear her mind and reduce stress. deep inhalations, and long exhalations she predicts a final day decision to either vote for harris or to write in haley a vote to help score the suburbs and settle the biggest of the battlegrounds john's back with us. where does each candidate have to perform well in pennsylvania, it's a fascinating and it's a complicated state and or so let me just pop it up in 2020. >> joe biden wins by 81,000 votes. you go back to 2016 and you look at the margin donald trump wins by just 44,000
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votes. a little change. so let's go back to 2020 and look at it. why were we we were there about 40% of the vote is right there inside that lied. and the bulk of that is more closely in here, the city of philadelphia, the collar counties around it, then you're berks county. were joan london was right there. so about 40% of the vote right down here. so that's why the suburbs are absolutely critical. donald trump did not win the suburbs in 2016, but the margins were closer with hillary clinton. he lost a point or two in each of those suburbs in 2020. and joe biden won the state. so that's where you looked for most of it. a couple of swing counties as well. you see all that red trump's going to run it up in the rural areas. we know that it's going to come down to who wins the suburbs. all right. john king, thanks very much. coming up next a report from storm ravaged north carolina on those still missing imagine being good to go without daily v pills good to go off the grid good to go
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report, 95 people are confirmed dead, at least 26 people are still unaccounted for gary tuchman went to western north carolina, speak with a woman whose family came to the state for a better life? >> tell up ended by hurricane helene hurricane helene demolished the north carolina home of ana weibo, her husband and two sons but it's what happened here about a mile away on this now, empty lot that has shattered her. i'm trying to stay strong for my family because i have to move to the united states from ukraine 25 years ago, seeking better opportunities but two years ago, following the russian invasion of ukraine, her mother, tetiana, her sister anastasia, and a stasis husband, dmytro, and their 13-year-old son, you have henney all fled war torn ukraine and settled here sure and what was peaceful and quiet? yancey county, north carolina in this home? >> a ten-minute walk away from ana and her family a home which no longer exists on the empty
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lot all four were home as hurricane helene ravaged western north carolina, they were swept away. >> the bodies of wife and husband found about two weeks later, miles away from where the house was. son and grandmother are still missing to this day. for honor, her husband, ryan, and their sons. it doesn't feel real. >> i'll just still in disbelief from heartbroken and i still thinking, maybe i woke up from this dream and everything will be back. how it was this video was shot by honest husband is the nearby river started rapidly rising. >> they realized they needed to evacuated, but by then cell phones and electricity were no longer working. all four of them frantically trying to get to the home of the relatives trees are down and we had a walk halfway to get through. i have no shoes on go into the woods and we get down to the location of we think where it was and it was just hundreds of yards wide of water their house was gone. >> gone on a knows her missing
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mother and nephew are presumed dead. >> but i still have hope just because unless i've been proven wrong and will be still hoping that a miracle could happen. maybe my nephew still survive somewhere and boo just don't know where he is the south toe river is now it's tranquil self but for this family, its fury on september 27 was impossible to comprehend. >> and it's now impossible to ever forget on and ryan hope to build a new home close by. but on higher ground please tell me what you would tell your sister and your mother right now if you could talk to them them and that if i would go back i would change it. >> so none of this would go through we would be still all together
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them. >> i think they do anderson, ana and her family are now staying at ryan's mother's house about a half-mile away. >> it's a small home. it's not an optimal situation. the power has been out ever since the hurricane meanwhile, the extended family has set up a gofundme page for the wheaties. their expenses will be huge in the months to come. not only do they want to build a new home, they are taking care of the arrangements of their loved ones who have passed away anderson, there, tuchman, gary. >> thank you. and programming note, cnn will be live all night with the latest in a breaking news, israel's military has confirmed strikes on iran, retaliation for running strikes in israel more than three weeks ago is it for us the news continues, i'll see you on monday. the source with kaitlan collins starts now, have a good weekend