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sciutto, now, bracing for any next step in this conflict following is we'll strike overnight on iran. iran has now assessing damage. it says two of its soldiers were killed, but it describes the damage to its facilities and these targets as limited, israel is saying it carried out what it described as a precise military strike on multiple military targets. sources tell cnn it did not strike energy or nuclear infrastructure iran is now saying it has a right to defend itself. it is entitled to do so. and that these strikes were clear violation of international law. joining me now is matthew chance with me here in jerusalem? matthew, this has been long expected sense. iran and launch that massive missile barrage on israel just over two weeks ago happened last night without warning as expected, is it take

to say that this was a more limited military strike than some expected in this country. >> i think it's true to say that it was more limited than it could have been. i mean, that has been a lot of speculation that israel was going to target a much broader spectrum. from all facilities including energy infrastructure, targets like oil facilities, things like that but also nuclear research facilities as well. that's what many israelis want to see taken out in the islamic republic blake but of course there has been a lot of pressure on israel not to do that. united states, the biden administration has been applying whatever pressure it can to encourage israel to step back from the brink. and it seems that israel has done that. it really pursued a very narrow group of targets, military targets only and that may have an impact when it comes to the response receiving miranda. >> and of course, as you're watching us here, you can hear the call to prayer. there's a monstrous behind us here in jerusalem the u.s. had encouraged controlled perhaps

offering some additional risk support, military support in defense in return for not expanding the strike and therefore expanding the risk of expanding or iran, israel, as the israeli military saying it struck purely military targets iran is saying the damage was limited to date. that's the only assessment we have as to what was struck and how extensively in what damage was done when do we expect it to hear what targets were actually hit man? and if israel does consider this a successful strike well, i mean hopefully we'll get a battle damage assessment at some point soon from the israelis at the moment that limiting what they're saying publicly to look week, we destroyed air to surface to air missile sites missile production facilities, aerial installations, things like that but we've not an isolated from the iranian side. they're trying to play this down. >> there. they're kind of let schools go back. the sports minister has announced that sports games are going to be

resuming, so they're getting a sense that they're playing the same perhaps to save face. i think the real question though, is to what extent has this strike restore deterrence between israel and iran? and this is only the latest series of for tat strikes between the two countries. >> we never know precisely, right? because one side's definition of what is proportional might not meet the other side's definition. of course, you portional iran right now, is saying as it did prior to the attack, that it would have a right, right to respond. but as you say, the coverage in iran on is notable in that even the state media was focused on traffic reports. the swamp to get supposed to the effects of these strikes. do you see that as iran signaling that perhaps it's had enough and you say save face, but also signaled that perhaps for now, there won't be a massive result well, i think it's probably safe to say that a iran does not want to be dragged into a full scale war

with israel potentially bringing in the united states as well. >> it's not clear. it would be able to withstand that kind of pressure. so for the moment, perhaps, yes, this may well be a tactical and a line drawn under those for attacks that we've seen over the past several months. but longer term strategically, the trajectory of the sort of conflict between israel and iran just needs to be getting worse. there's no sign that that's easing off or any of the outstanding issues between the two countries are being resolved. >> and we shouldn't forget the i'm going wars in gaza. of course, there has been quite significant israeli military action. there was significant casualties among civilians and expanding military activity in strikes inside lebanon against iran's proxies in those countries, hamas and hezbollah. well, what one difference in this case that we haven't seen before and you and i have discussed and covered a lot of israeli military activity the region is that israel unusually is admitting that it carried out a strike in iran, for instance, it did not say so

publicly after the the attack that killed is mile hernia, for instance, a number of weeks ago. what's the significance of that? >> i think it's because after the large-scale missile attack that iran launched on israel back in early october. there was a lot of pressure from the israeli public for the israeli government, netanyahu's administration to do something spectacular to show that it was not going to stand by and be be hit in this way. isn't it had to do this in a very public way? and so part of this attack was a symbolic a symbolic gesture. they had to show that hey, we're doing something they wouldn't tolerate this. it's trying to stall information, officer, part of any military operation, right? >> we're seeing some of that. it seems from the israeli side and perhaps some from the iranian side of the practical aspects of it as well. >> the israeli military saying they also struck these military targets these air defense targets, these missile production targets. so that if they have to go in next time, if they have to go in again, then that capability and around will be eroded. >> no question. and that was

one of the one of the questions prior to this was, could this be a first phase attack to some degree, for instance, if a principal target was, for instance, air defenses, would that then soften? the target for a potential more extensive strike even against nuclear facilities, facilities later date, of course, we don't know what israel does, will decide that matthew chance. thanks so much. i do want to go to washington now. our julia benbrook, who is at the white house julia as the u.s. and israel, they've been in quite close touch for weeks regarding israel's possible response, including some some pressure. i think we can reasonably describe it as from us officials for israel not to expand this war to limit the scope of its response. do you have you, have you gotten a sense from white house officials whether they're satisfied with what israel carried out today. >> well of course they're being careful with everything that they say, but we know that president joe biden has been briefed multiple times

following the strike and is following developments. they're also calling for calm and de-escalation. a senior administration official had said that biden had encouraged netanyahu do to design an attack that would defer any future attacks against israel. and for weeks now, the united states had urged netanyahu to exercise restraint and to avoid attacking iran's oil and nuclear assets and the decision to not attack oil and nuclear sites could lead open the possibility for de-escalation. of course, we will see how iran or if iran will respond to these latest attacks. i do want to pull up a statement from a white house national security spokesperson he said, israel has announced that their response to iran's ballistic missile attack on october 1 is now complete as the israelis have stated, their response was

an exercise in self-defense. and specifically of weighted populated areas and focus solely on military targets, contrary to iran pack against israel and targeted israel's most populous city. so they are referring to this attack as targeted, precise, and very carefully prepared. there now calling on iran to seas, any sort of a response and put an end to this cycle of fighting of course us military officials have been in quite close touch with their israeli counterparts in recent weeks and months. certainly regarding the possibility of this israeli strike on iran, how is the defense? secretary lloyd austin, how is he reacting to this overnight attack similar response to what we're hearing in some of those quotes, we know that he did speak with the israeli defense minister following the attacks and he posted some of what that happens during that

conversation will pull some of that up for you now he said, quote, i reaffirmed the ironclad commitment to the united states, to israels of united states, excuse me, to israel's security and right to self-defense. >> i made it clear that the united states maintains an enhanced force posture to defend us personnel. israel and partners across the region then in the face of threats from iran and iran-backed terrorist organizations and is determined to prevent any actor from exploiting tensions of expanding the conflict in the region so any comments that we're getting from the administration are clear that the focus is on de-escalation. and jim, we know that president joe biden has been very focused on foreign policy, on peace in the middle east in these final months of his presidency, he'll be speaking at a campaign event later this afternoon. no word on if he will mention this specifically, but could be an opportunity to hear from the president himself and of

course, the white house was quite concerned about potential effects on the election with that just, just about a week-and-a-half away here in perhaps they're breathing something of a sigh of relief based on the reaction we've seen so far here, julia benbrook at the white house. >> thanks so much. we will have much more at the very top of the hour until then after a short break. we will return to the amanpour hour here on cnn >> i've been saying publicly what people say and turns out i have enough money. >> i could just shut off back to carve tomorrow at nine on cnn is there any way to get a better place on this? have you checked single care before i pick up my prescription at the pharmacy, i always check the single characterize its quick, easy, and totally freedom us single-payer can literally beat my insurance copay. >> good a single care.com and start saving today

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about their new documentary, louder protest music for our times and the key battleground state of georgia, what we are seeing is that everyone in this state is excited about turning out and being engaged everyone. i'm christiane amanpour, coming to you from new york this week. it is an impossibly close election here in the united states. this despite late revelations by the people who knew donald trump best as president, the white house chief of staff, who lasted longest under trump, former marine general john kelly, labeled him the dictionary definition of a fascist. he warned that trump would govern as a dictator if elected, saying that he consistently praises authoritarian strongmen like vladimir putin, and he's even cross that third rail praising adolf hitler. now kelly's warnings about how trump would set the military on his opponents as he calls them the enemy within are the latest in

an alarming litany of allegations from other former white house officials, kamala harris said that he was off to unchecked power and called his comments further evidence of the real donald trump president of the united states, the commander in chief is saying to his generals, in essence, why can't you be more like hitler's generals? anderson, come on this is a serious, serious issue. >> now, my first guest knows who trump really is. gordon sundland was his ambassador to the eu. then testified against him during his impeachment trial. and denounce the january 6 attack. but now he's back in trump's camp. and i asked him what flip tim ambassador sunlen, welcome to the program. >> thank you. christiane, nice to be with you so you have been pro or anti and now pro-trump again, let me just read what you said two years ago, that you wouldn't support on trump's reelection because of

january 6, you told the wall street journal we are the most admired around the world well, for the way we turn over the keys to the next leader, and he really f that up. >> i won't support him but here you are supporting him so what changed? >> i'm back. yes, he did effort up and it was not anyone's finest hour, but i have to put january 6 into perspective. compared to four years under the trump, pardon me, under the biden-harris administration it's been an abysmal disaster in all quarters from a business standpoint, from a national security standpoint? confidence of our allies, the way they've treated israel i can go down the list and it pales in comparison to what happened on january 6. >> okay. you say that but that sounds a little like sane washing. >> that was a full-scale assault on the center of american democratic power. and a refusal to accept a loss and

refusal to hand over peacefully as american tradition and lore states, you can't really say it was nothing in comparison, can you? i mean, you might support him, but you can't play down something that you thought was so awful at the time. and that's so many think is so awful, including around the world. >> i'm not playing it down in any way. christiane, first of all, it was not a good day. number two, trump lost the election in 2020. were there anomalies where they're voting error? irs was there fraud? of course, there was did it change the outcome? no, it did not. joe biden, sadly became president of the united states right now, we've got 23 nobel prize winning economist of all stripes calling harris economy plan vastly superior to trump's the economist, which is not some liberal rag as you know, says, the u.s. economy is the envy of the world that's

its front cover inside the headline says, america's economy is bigger and better than ever and then they go on to say that actually trump and his tariffs we'll pose a bigger threat to the american people in their economic health and spike inflation again, what about that? do you disagree with well, i disagree with the whole thing first of all, i think people misunderstand how trump has used the tariff and how he will likely continue to use the tariff he uses the tariff the way the owner of a dog uses a shock collar they've pushed the button to get the dogs attention and in the case of tariffs, there is nothing that has a more immediate impact when you're trying to get a third party to the table to discuss issue of vital importance to us interests than to threaten tariffs. >> and two, in fact temporarily imposed them if necessary, in order to extract the behavior you want i mean, the wall

street journal, again, not a liberal rag and very conservative on the economy, disagrees 100% on tariffs and told trump so the next thing is the huge amount of information evidence and facts that are coming out about trump's anti-democratic leanings. >> you know, because you were there that he does praise people like vladimir putin and xi jinping. these are not democrats. they rule by diktat they are authoritarians. you've just heard john kelly, a former general, a former homeland security official under trump, and his longest serving chief of staff, say that he fits the dictionary definition of it. mark milley was the chairman of the joint chiefs to bob woodward he has said, i am afraid and we are afraid they were going to be dragged back the active service so that trump can fulfill his retribution promise and court-martial us he also says, he's fascist to the bone i

mean, why is it that so many top serving people who been defending their country are scared of trump, 0.2, 0.0. >> well, my own experience with trump was their was trump the president? and there was trump the show. and i had enough personal interaction with him through phone calls, through meetings on serious matters where the show was nowhere to be found. he was focused, he was decisive did he always give the right answer? no. he's not perfect. he is human. but once that would be over, then the show began. the hyperbole, the rallies, the silly press conferences. you know, the illusions two people's genitalia, whatever you want to put on the list that's part of the trump brand and there's nothing anyone can do about it. >> and i wanted to ask you about the show man and the real man as you put it, you know, he has said several things to different audiences about

sending the military against his enemies from within to fox he has doubled down twice to the wall street journal. he said he wouldn't do it i'm going to play for you this thing that tucker carlson who's in the trump camp said recently this week about trump coming back. >> and when dad gets home, you know what he says? >> you've been a bad girl you been a bad little girl and you're getting a vigorous spanking right now. a bad girl ambassador i mean, is this no no. >> i know taqueria are friend and, you know what can i say? >> it was a performance and finally, do you believe that if he loses, trump will accept the results no matter what they are. i think if he loses fair and square, he absolutely will it's no evidence of any cheating, not then. >> not now ambassador, i said that before. >> i know. >> so we will wait to see whether your prediction comes

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coziness with dictators, that first want to start with your assessment of the biden administration. and you i'm going to read it there were failures and mistakes. the full story is of course, not yet known, but based on the evidence available now i believe president biden and this team will be largely studied in history as an example of steady and purposeful leadership, you also talked about biden you know, like obama said, basically we're not going to start world war iii over, over ukraine. and this is because because as we've reported and everybody that putin has alarmingly regularly dangle that saber rattling when it comes to tactical nukes. and you report some very interesting and important conversations between the biden administration and the putin administration. if i can say that a particularly defense chief lloyd austin, to

his russian counterpart, defense minister shoigu at the time. what led them to that? what kind of info did they have beyond putin's public saber rattling well, they had >> this is 2022 it started out very free low that 5% probability that russia would use tactical nuclear weapons is accelerated in a matter of days, really up to 50%. >> but i was fascinated to read some of the quotes and conversations regarding defense secretary harry lloyd austin, who doesn't often get quoted. he's not one of those who talks much and gets quoted. unlike some of the other administration officials. so he spoke to his russian counterpart, you say sergei shoigu, i'm going to read this. he says, this could put us on the path of a confrontation that would have existential implement occasions for you and for us. don't step

on that slippery slope. and then you say when shoigu responded that he doesn't take kindly to being threatened, austin retorts i am the leader of the most powerful military in the history of the world. i don't make threats and that appears to have caused them to back off. that's what you found out oh, yes it was a factor, but this was a moment when us intelligence was able to demonstrate to secretary of defense austin now at particular interchange, which is longer in the book, i took that couple of months ago to secretary austin because, you know, you you've got something that somebody said at a crucial moment you wanted to get their side of it so i went into his office in the pentagon and

said, i understand this is what you said at this point. >> and i started reading that he didn't know that i had it and he said that's accurate. that's accurate. >> in at the end, he said, where did you get that from? >> the russians? i of course did not. and i told him that i did not get it. but this is a moment of great peril for the country and we're now in that and we've, we should not kid ourselves to think that where particularly with the issue of tactical nuclear weapons in your book, you have mark milley, the former chairman of the joint chiefs, who talks about his tendency, worried about being caught martialed if trump comes back and now john kelly, former general, former homeland security, call him in

definition of fascist. of course, the trump people, his officials, his spokespeople have completely denied it, but it does fit a pattern of a lot of things that trump has said publicly. are you concerned that this kind of character who has written and spoken about admiring people like putin, people like xi, others or ban in hungary are you worried about what they might do in office? >> yes if i may go back 50 years to the nixon era, john mitchell, who was nixon's came pain manager. and attorney general once said watch what we do not what we say fast forward to now, what they say is important. its part of the story. how does trump operate? i did books on him, spent lots of time talking to him and here is what trump doesn't do. he

doesn't plan. he just says, oh, i'm going to pick that off the shelf. that idea. i'm going to say this, there's no planning system you know and i believe viewers know that in national security environment, you can not you're not running roulette wheel where random numbers come up. you need to plan and in the case of trump there was no team. he just decides the absence of a team, the absence of a plan is what everyone should weigh and worry about an amazing, amazing reporting. >> thank you so much indeed, bob woodward and war coming up, how women have been using music as a force for change. and the state of the race in georgia with stacey abrams and melissa etheridge

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the georgia state capitol in atlanta. this is cnn >> now, it's americans elect a female president. this of course, will be history. >> women have long been a force for change it's an american politics in the fight for equality and justice and much of that has been through music. >> and now a new documentary called louder, the soundtrack for change looks at that rich history is produced in narrated by stacey abrams herself, a well-known political trailblazer. and it also stars singer songwriter melissa etheridge. i asked this unexpected juho about protests music through the ages. it's forced for change and of course, the presidential race stacey abrams, melissa etheridge, welcome to the program thank you so much okay. so stacy, i want to ask you first, this is called louder. it's about women making change

in music. i get why melissa is doing this, but why you, politicians stacey abrams well, it's politician stacey abrams became friends with musician selena gomez in 2020. and our mutual love of not only the arts, but how the arts impact activism became part of the genesis of this project. when she approached me about co-producing with her, i was ready to do so part of fruit, part of it for me. is that we have the opportunity to tell stories through the arts and music is one of the most compact ways to tell the stories, but it is also one of the most effective and transformative ways to engage asia community to call them to action, and to give them direction about what is possible. >> and let me just ask you, stacy, is that some was that one moment if odds and activism, music and activism, that sort of triggered you to make you feel this way. >> i grew up in the deep south

where music has long been a part of both our cultural heritage, but also our heritage of protest. and how we've understood our right to expand our rights but growing up, probably the seminal moment for me was tracy chapman and listening to talking about a revolution. and then later born to fight connection between music and action. but also the power of a single voice to articulate what can sometimes feel and cohen are overwhelming and give you this very chiseled sense of direction. >> melissa, you have said music has the ability to bypass the brain. what do you mean by that? minnesota? >> oh, that means that a song can obviously impact your

feelings, can impact your thoughts even but mostly how you feel without first analyzing it, it can music can go right into your soul that can, can lift you up or make you think, or reminds you of something. and it's an incredibly powerful tool for change. >> i want to ask you, stacey, because you were credited very, very heavily the almost single-handedly with making georgia for the democrats in 2020. how are you feeling about democrat and kamala harris's chances in georgia, your home state right now. >> but i appreciate the accolades, but let's be clear. i was just louder than a lot of folks about what was possible in georgia but what i would say is that we are a purple state, we are a state where this is a competitive race and you can tell because both candidates are coming here again and again. but what we know is that voter turnout is high, that the attempted voter suppression

brought by the governor and secretary of state isn't working voters who were told they cannot vote by mail or finding other ways to cast their ballots, despite what republicans have done, not because republicans have done something good. but more importantly, what we are seeing is that everyone in this state is excited about turning out and being engaged and they know that this election matters because georgia matters and that for me is the problem. progress we need to see melissa. i think that you have not been shy about political endorsements and the rest in the past. and i don't know what you make all the impact of a let's say celebrity political endorsement. what do you think, for instance, the impact of taylor swift who has such an amazing devoted following who very clearly in very smartly road why she was endorsing kamala harris, what you think of that impact and then the opposite to that is chappell roan she won't formally endorsed. she says who's you vote for? and then

she got a whole load of pushback from her fans for refused losing to endorse. >> oh, it's it's really a fine line because we are in the business of entertainment and that's lifting people up and making them forget their troubles and inter entertaining them and when you personally step out and say, look, this election means a lot to me as a woman, as a gay person and this is why and i think youth and fear has a lot to do with that hur coming from the midwest is also from the midwest, it's also you know, we don't talk about those things. it's very it's very hard to break out of that the politics. and then personal and let me just also ask you because, you know, looking at the trailers and the documentary the all the women in progressive women, the

singer's what about women who might be more conservative? women who may even support trump? why would they not featured yeah, so let's understand protest music inherently as about pushing against the system that is not designed for you. >> a system that doesn't see you, a system that does not risk back to you. and traditionally in this country, that system has been conservative. and so most of the protest music has been in response to conservative orthodoxy, conservative laws, conservative belief systems the challenge with doing protest music that has a conservative voices that we have not created a space where that's where protests has come from by and large protest music, especially for women, has been about how do we fully insert ourselves into the lived experience of this country? how do we have full access to the promises? because of this country? how do we create our own american dream? and to date that has been almost exclusively coming

from a moment of progress. we want to move from where we are to where we can go louder. >> the soundtrack of change is available to stream now on max. and of course, we should note that hbo is part of the warner brothers discovery family along with cnn when we come back, why donald trump is being sued by five young men, he falsely accused over the central prague georgia case in the 1980s weeknights at seven on cnn why is america accepted the wait for payday introducing my pay from china, get up to $500 if you're pay before payday, no interest, no credit the czech, no mandatory fees get paid would you say with my pay, get started at chime.com, you'll find them in cities, towns, and suburbs all across america. >> millions of americans who have medicare and medicaid, but maybe missing benefits they could really use extra

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35 years ago. now, they're suing trump for defamation during the debate, the former president claimed the man had admitted guilt in fact, they always maintained their innocence and were eventually exonerated. today, one of them, yusef salaam is now an elected member of the new york city council, and earlier this year, we spoke about how he kept his faith and resolve while wrongfully incarcerated for seven years for a crime. he didn't commit where did you get the courage, the strength of 40, the resolve not to sign a false confession like your other four comrades did a lot of it was my faith i for one, just like the others, i'm sure we kept telling the officers what happened and for me it was just this strange nightmare where they kept saying, well, is this where you got the jogger? i didn't know what they were talking about. i heard

them beating up korey wise in the next room and sometimes they would come into the room that i was in and tell me that i was next. and so i was very afraid and i didn't know what was going to happen. but i knew that i hadn't raped a woman i knew that i was thinking that i was the good guy. i was going to go to the police department, tell them what i saw and i'd be home before my mom got back i came home seven years later. >> and again, salaam and his friends have filed a lawsuit against trump's false allegations. that is all we have time for this week. don't forget. you can find all of our shows online as podcasts at cnn and.com slash podcast. and on all other major platforms. i'm christiana amanpour in new york. thanks for watching and i'll see you again next time back in london >> news for you, john? i did nine on cnn sure. visit brynn

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