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the country are political system is bankrolled by an army of fundraisers pulling in millions of dollars a race sometimes it looks like you might imagine knocking on doors, calling every name in the phone book, and emails, so many emails. but for all those little fish throwing $100 to their local race, it's the whales, those campaign fundraisers really need powerful rich individuals and companies. >> and when they donate 25,100 1 million they want a favor or ten it should be obvious that that's corrupt, but with a wink and a nod, political deals to the bribery line. every single day and we may never have noticed that if a certain illinois governor hadn't flung back the curtain within unrepentant ego, a political corruption, crime spree in a
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set of unprecedented audio recording things that shined a bright light on the inner workings of american political power ladies and gentlemen, meet rod blagojevich used to get up every morning and turn on the sixth 6:00 news then, you know, like your camo, wake him up and then you're like, whoa, wait, what got cameras they got cars and then they march amount and yell i that's a governor gel breaking news. the illinois governor, rod blagojevich charged with plotting to sell barack obama's former senate
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seat. >> remember this guy? he sure hopes you do. governor rod blagojevich went down in a blaze of infamy for one of the largest political corruption scandals of our time the governor was allegedly trying to sell the illinois senate seat vacated by president elect obama. >> in fact, part of the governor sales pitch, who was at the seat still hadn't that knew obama smith appointing someone to the senate is a rare opportunity when the will of the people as swapped wholesale for a gubernatorial well power trip will go of each had the sole authority to place whomever he wanted straight into the halls of the u.s senate. and he was not shy about wanting a little something in return. with the fbi recording his phone calls for the first time since nixon, the public was able to listen in on rob backroom politics and there's nothing quite like hearing it from the horse's mouth the criminal complaint quotes blagojevich's saying the senate seat was a valuable
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thing. you just don't give it away for nothing. >> another quote i've got this thing and it's bleeping golden have gotten this thing i've got this thing and it's golden yeah. and i'm not just giving it up for nothing was there a second one they're racking up a staggering 24 criminal charges. >> governor blagojevich's actions actually boil down to four things. extortion bribery, corruption, and wire fraud. and it wasn't just about the senate seat will go to his also found guilty of extorting a children's hospital you can't write this stuff. >> he's an arrogant punk who thinks that, you know, he's bulletproof. well he's not he was convicted on 18 total charges and sentenced to 14 years, the longest sentence ever handed down to a governor the way he politics, but was what he did. so blatantly
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criminal because the truth is that the line between what's illegal and what's allowable as much murkier than we'd like to thank and this is where the rod blagojevich story gets interesting. >> let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing was rod a corrupt politician or just a politician operating in a corrupt system that still thrives today? so governor, thanks for doing this. >> thank you. >> so you've been out of prison now for almost two years, a little over two years, and you're still very outspoken about how you feel like the case against you was unjust there isn't really an argument about what you said, right? it's on tape. right? the question is whether it was illegal and whether it was morally wrong. >> look, if you're saying do we have a fundraising system in america that you can argue is legalized bribery. i think
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there's truth to that. >> but did i do anything other than that standard that every other person in politics does from president biden on down i did the same as them and nothing worse. >> there is this real problem in american politics today or prosecutors are weaponizing themselves, criminalizing routine and legal practices and government politics. and i think it's wrong when they do to bill clinton. it's wrong. i think when they did it to president trump because i have strong views on that and i know it was wrong when they did it to me okay. >> well, that's why i'm back there let's talk about the chicago in illinois system because you're hardly the first governor in history, even in recent history, to go to prison. what's the situation here that causes this to happen? >> well, i think it's time honored here and there's a long history in chicago politics, illinois politics, but pretty much everybody gets rich chicago politics it's like going to a paper. when you go fishing, like give you are
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prosecutor, you cannot be in illinois and matt gaetz illinois is steeped in a rich history of political corruption that dates back a century to the prohibition era. when bootlegging gangster such as al capone bought off politicians and police departments, keeping them drunk on power and also just drunk in rides lifetime, illinois has developed a rap sheet that any mobster would be proud of more than 1,700 convictions for corruption, including me nearly 30 chicago alderman, eight state legislators to us congressmen. >> and before rod came onto the scene, three governors in an odd way, the very people who should hate the idea of corruption or kind of proud that this is al capone, illinois chicago is a wink and a nod town insertion gotten a beer town a lot of it has to do with family relationships because a lot of the political leadership in chicago in illinois are family-related. >> there's the daily family
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matt egan's all of these families sort of become part of this mafia. a political mafia. and they're the ones who make the rules i didn't come from that. i had to marry into it and not a girl 6 march 1988 she was wearing a red dress and she happened to be the daughter of a old-fashioned chicago political ward boss and she's my wife, patti. we fell in love patty will go abij is a loyal wife she is a tough customer, and she's the daughter of d68 male. >> she's complicated that budding relationship between those two is how rod goes from this. >> nobody politically finding a way to come and of embed himself into one of these big political families in chicago. they had so much power i don't think it was some great surprise that when it comes time to meet the parents that dick mel was the father-in-law in powerful city council chieftain in a shrine to work
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together to for this great city back together. so they're all part of it all for free kick mill was a guy who always had a voice in the back rooms. he was a powerbroker in that kind of chicago classic since before politics, it was a nice relationship, but for the most part, respectful. >> and then because i was in the family and i was actually pretty good at helping her dad local politics, knocking on doors and trying to get him votes. there was an opportunity to run for office in rod blagojevich mail could see a guy that eventually if he doesn't write, i could sort of pass the mantle toward rod wasn't immediate hit with illinois voters who sent him first to the state house in 1992 and then to the u.s. congress in 1996. >> dig mill says i can see you being governor and i got to be honest, i'm sure if i'm looking at it from dig males position, he's saying, man, if i can elect this guy governor, i can run the whole state
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class chip on his shoulder and his two heroes were elvis and richard nixon. both because they were guys who came from the wrong side of the tracks and fought their way up. and we're kind of distain by the elites. >> in fact, if those two gritty 20th century icons fought their way into a single person, you might actually end up with rod blagojevich for better and for worse? >> rod blagojevich that i first met was youthful. he was energetic. he had this kind of maine, a black hair that was super thick and you can tell it just filled with hair product the hair. >> so iconic and its own right that it became a comedy staple on every late night show. that two-page huge infatuation with all this presley
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itching to lose his colonel parker because despite the many benefits of dick mills patronage rod was still in his shadow. he really became known as dick mills, son-in-law, first. >> and i know he hated that. >> he didn't know how to both be his own man and not let dick knell overshadowing the only way for rod to survive outside of his father-in-law's machine was to create his own cash flow. so his first step was to hire two of chicago's most bare-knuckle political fundraisers chris kelly and tony rescue chris, kelly and tony roscoe, could generate big box. they were fundraisers, they were donors you know, let's just call them what they were, they were influence peddlers they wound up being able to shake the bushes here and help rod raise money they promised access in favors if blue goya, its one, and they got results were dick mills,
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good old boys would fetch $2,000 at a time. >> kelly and rascoe would shake loose 50 grand all that money plus rods appeal to voters who had felt ignored by the entrenched chicago political dynasties well, it proved to be an unstoppable combination he ran on some things that were uniquely important to black people. >> health care for kids is a good idea when he said free rides for seniors on public transportation, that residence he made it with black people specifically laguardia, which became governor in 2003 graduations of may, god bless governor apart from the scandals, how do i say this in a way where i don't sound like a guy without any humility but i truly believe that was a great governor. i can't think of any governor in my life that did anything for anybody i knew that can walk around and say,
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you know what? thank you. governor. my daughter had health care through you, free public transportation for seniors and disabled? i did that because they raised the sales tax, which hurts working people and poor people and seniors with the legislature raising taxes that hit lower-income illinois ions hardest. and rod striking back with policies to offset that it's no surprise that his populist agenda made him a lot of enemies amongst the big political families to the people in the masses. he was on our team and to the aristocracy into the police political elites. he was this guy that was taking their resources and giving him to the peasants. and so he became robinhood i knew the reality that i'm going to have resistance from the old guard, the old board bosses the madigan daily to some extent my father-in-law. >> and so the goal was raised money now. and raise a lot of it. so that you can afford to make enemies and you can afford to lose support, right? >> but some of these people that you were, that you were relying on, like chris, kelly, were were corrupt right?
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environmental issues what did he want you to do? leave it alone. and i learned that it was operating in violation of the environmental laws. >> i had knowledge of them. ultimately decided i had a duty that i had to and basically accused rod blagojevich of selling board and commission seats so your father-in-law, dick male, accused chris kelly of selling political favors for campaign contributions of 25 to $50,000 at a time telling me about where were you when you heard that he was leveling this accusation? i remember vividly it was early january of 2005, and this was the consequences be shutting down landfill. the very next day, he called a press conference. it was clever enough to accuse chris kelly, not directly named, but that's
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me. i don't think he envisioned that it would turn into something that would else me land me in prison. but i know he did this to hurt me politically and caused me problems with the fbi. >> mal's allegations backed rod into a corner, giving the fbi room to prosecute his inner circle until in 2008, the fed secured a secret wiretap on the governor himself. feeling the squeeze. ride started looking for some kind of escape route. and then a golden opportunity needed right in his lap the fighting moment, change has come to america know that senator barak obama is president and elect morocco fama, someone will have to take over a senate seat. >> this is the governor's decision it is not my decision the criteria that i would have for my successor would be the same criteria that i'd have if i our motor senator obama becomes president obama, he resigned his senate seat according to the law here in
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illinois. >> you as the governor gets to name his replacement. now, you're excited about this and you say on tape, i'd like to get the out of here and you're talking about options for yourself. get gotta here. you were sick of being governor that's absolutely the things i was saying, of course, and i was looking at all kinds of options so he attempted to trade obama's seat for a golden parachutes he begins to be heavily courted by all sorts of people who would love to be that us senator they saw something really valuable here. a very valuable bargaining chip. they could elevate his power in some way or benefit them monetarily and i said i wanted to get the f out of here is because those fbi people and my prosecutors will all over me. and it's the sort of thing when that's stuff's thrown around you, you know, that stuff swirling around, you and it's they're it's everywhere and it was just very clear to me that they would determine to get me no matter what i guess one question i have is knowing
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that they were looking at you, why did you talk about this stuff that way locke, i had 2896 days in prison to ask myself 1,000 questions, including that. >> but you know what, what was the alternative? i have all my staff and lawyers, we all go to saunas and get naked and talk to each other. so nobody's got wires on them? >> know, what's the organ or you just don't say anything where you just say like this seat is very important and we want to make sure the best person gets it and separately, i am thinking that i'd like to not be governor of illinois anymore well, set i don't make a habit of telling politicians how to avoid jail time. >> but here's the thing being more cautious could have gotten rod everything he wanted and kept him out of prison but caution is not really in rods dna. >> i've got this thing
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i can't say that out loud. right breaking news, the illinois governor charged with plotting to sell barack obama's former senate seat, illinois governor rod go, i it was arrested tuesday morning by federal authorities in charged with corruption. i do why >> i want to ask you about january 6, 2021. >> the steps that you're talking about. why have you done them already with more reporters on the ground? >> what did you hear appeal to younger? trump could have said, yes, he would veto a national abortion ban at the best political team in the business. >> what's the biggest takeaway from this fall? we are in the midst of it a pivotal moment in american history, follow the candidates, following the facts
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hospital and race track in an attempt to get political contributions and the attempted extortion of a highway contractor least step aside if not resign, my husband is an honest man and i know that he's innocent he thought that he had the moral high ground. >> do you think the cloud that hangs? >> over who's going attain your i don't believe there's any cloud that hangs over getting back to that. i think there's none of its sunshine hanging
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over me. >> he didn't show any of the humility or anything. you just can't stick your finger in the eye the federal government let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing, then i'm confident that at the end of the day, i will be properly zannah right? >> i represented route but blagojevich in two of his criminal trials. i mean, he wanted to fight his case. he believed he was innocent and he was working to that then to try and prove his innocence anyone who believes that this was a selling of some senate seat doesn't understand politics every single day. in politics. that is what happens is this horse trading and if you really listen to this in context, what you heard bird was talking with various people, getting a noise, talking about nonsense. >> and then the end. nothing really that was ever acted on. >> later. rod blagojevich, his
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lawyers would argue that what ron did specifically with the senate seat was no worse than when president eisenhower appointed earl warren as chief justice of the supreme in court back in 1952. >> white eisenhower is about to win the nomination to become the republican president. are all warn the governor of california's withholding the delegations votes. governor warrant tells eisenhower well, i'll deliver the delegation for you on one condition. i want to be the next chief justice of the supreme court i, the great war hero, shakes hands, says, you've got to deal he, wins one year later, earl warren is the chief justice of the united states supreme court rod wanted a political appointment from obama. >> and for that, he was prepared to trade obama's old senate seat, which is actually legal otherwise eisenhower would have gone to jail and americans would not have liked icc do you see yourself as somebody who was just trying to function and perhaps an inherently corrupt but legal system and that theoretically almost any politician could be
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snagged the way you were. >> absolutely. of course i do. except i'm giving me higher marks because i was using that money and their power gave me to fight an established system that served itself on the backs of the people. and when you do that, you, a lot of people off any want to get ready yet, but do you think that your earth hear about it like more outspoken about it? >> why wasn't hiding any of it, but these because it's legal and that's how you govern abraham lincoln was able to get the 13th amendment passed in congress, which ratified the emancipation proclamation freeing slaves. he had to make political deals with members of congress to get the votes to pass it that's how you get things done you're not comparing yourself to no means and police say that i'm not competing or the like pager proclamation, a lot taller than me and i never did anything. his greatest well, you're also not talking about the i mean, emancipation course. >> i'm not governable boy, which tried to sell the appointment to the senate seat vacated by president elect obama. the conduct would make blinken rollover in his grave
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you're very critical of pat fitzgerald. >> he's an evil guys are wicked guys as counsel, and he deserves to get an kicking. and he's a big coward anyway, go co-head said, well, i think he would take issue with everything you just said. you know, he has a reputation for being a choir boy, for being you an upstanding moral person. he sees himself as i am trying to uphold some basic standards for our politicians. that's how he views governable goya, which has been arrested in the middle of what we could only describe as a political corruption, crime spree we had a political and public narrative that we had to overcome and when the entire potential jury pool believes that your client is guilty before they've even heard the evidence. >> you're going into the trial, like if it's a basketball game, you're lose in 100 to nothing or it's like if you're a governor and you're getting impeached 114 to one in the lone vote and rods favor his sister-in-law,
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deb mail dm from office and eager to prove he was not a crook. rod knew exactly where to plead his case. >> please. welcome to the program governor rod blagojevich best that i hear. >> i'd ever i want this to be real challenges ahead, but i'm going to trust them the truth. >> and as it says in the bible, the truth shall set you free, ride, look away wic just kept talking, or you want to get on tv, come on and i think he was able to warm himself if a little bit with the public, better to be seen as a klutz than a crook. >> sure everyone loves a good laugh, but oversaturating the talk show circuit may have had unintended consequences as david letterman told rod when he appeared on the late show in 2009, the more you talked and the more you repeated your innocence, the more i said to myself, oh, this guy is guilty
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so during the period from your impeachment to your trial and your sentencing for you did a lot of media appearances. >> what was it's the strategy behind that my feeling was, look, i didn't do any of that stuff. >> and what does somebody do was being lied about, but you have a tremendous desire to get onto the highest mountain. a yell out. i didn't do it with letterman said that the louder you yelled at, the more it made him. thank you. were guilty? yeah. >> i mean, i didn't convince him, but i think i convince donald trump that's how i got invited on celebrity apprentice, right i have great respect for your tenacity for the fact that you just don't give up but rod, you're fired what i saw over the course of rods career was a guy who started off as a charming rogue and a guy who really he did give voice to concerns that people had to someone who became almost a parody of themselves in by the time that trial came around he really was his own worst enemy you've got
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notorious case that federal prosecutors there's did not want to hear rod blagojevich was convicted today on only one count when the jury who is hong and all but one of the charges against bovich. and without unanimous consent, the result was a mistrial on the remaining 23 charges the jury, like a lot of people to this day, just could not agree on whether what he'd done was actually illegal deadlocked on everything except for lying to the fbi, convicted of lying fbi do you acknowledge you lied to the fbi? >> no. no i don't. >> i'll tell you about it was about how much of your associates that were fundraising for you, the degree to which you knew what they were doing? yeah. was the issue, as i said, i didn't as a practice track fundraising. and who got contracts? i didn't i didn't look into who got contracts. i wasn't interested in ai 27,000 contributors. i
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wasn't tracking who gave me money, who got what? >> the first trial was too confusing for the jury. and they had a lot of paper documents. it was a lot of witness testimony witness i feel what the government did in the second trial is they paired down there, their case and they believe that everything was in the tapes and they needed to make this trial lot simpler. >> but you understand it's very important for me to make a lot of money i need the independents i need freedom he was swearing alive the whole world pass me by and i'm stuck in a job as governor now. >> and upset in not appreciative of the position that he had. >> i got to catapult i should add a 90 deaths senate seat and i think that was more influential in the jury's decision then anything. >> it made him look bad. >> breaking news right now. we have jury has reached a
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decision convicting blagojevich and 17 counts of corruption, wire fraud, bribery, attempt to dorotea and solicitation of a bribe, racketeering, conspiracy to commit bribery and conspiracy to commit extortion rod blagojevich was convicted on almost all counts and sentenced to 14 years and i obviously a very disappointed in the outcome. i frankly, i'm stunned when did you realize oh, i might actually be going to prison from the beginning, really. i knew i was a dead man really. yeah. why? >> because they have so much power, resources and, you know what really surprised when i got 14 years. the justification to the judge was you treated this like a golden gloves boxing match? but those corrupt liars are lucky. dueling was outlawed because i had a challenge him to a duel rapists and murderers gets so much less time. that's why the system is so long and so broken. >> let me offer you an alternate theory. sure. my
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alternate theory is that the entire system of justice that we have in this country depends on prosecutors and police who are incentivized to get convictions period. >> what do you think of that well, i think you're almost right i never took a penny. >> noem says i did. i keep saying that because that's so important. i mean, i don't want people to think that i was some one of these corrupt politicians that was taken cash. >> but remember, even though he never actually got that envelope full of money, that was because the feds closed in before the senate deal was done the offers being considered campaign contributions or a lucrative job at a non-profit. >> the fact of accepting them that would have been simply illegal, hence, the charge of conspiracy to commit bribery what she was definitely guilty of rods argument is no cash changed hands but prior to that, there had been plenty of money changing hands. there's ample evidence his government
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positions, these government contracts, they were effectively for sale it does not matter if rod blagojevich actually won the argument and got the money or the donations he was seeking it's the ask if something goofs sit up, but the burglary or the robberies interrupted. >> it doesn't make it less of an tended burglary robbery. >> he had his day in court. that 14 years was what the system gave him so you went to prison for almost eight years, 2896 days. >> and let me tell you what gets you through prison when you have to face something like that, its love and its faith. >> love for my daughters and my wife, you know, when i was arrested within days the vegas odds makers had a nine to one. she was leaving so in that sense, i've been so lucky and blessed after he was sent to prison, padding proclaimed his innocence, and she did try and
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go to any leader during that. >> she could find to have young either pardoned or commuted and went all else failed, hadi blagojevich knew exactly who to appeal to next erosion and cavities is strong enamel, nothing beats it. i recommend for enamel active shields because it actively shields the enamel to defend against erosion and cavities. i think that this product is a game changer for my patients, try pro-national mouthwash some days you can feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine 15 or more headache days a month each lasting four hours or more botox fence headaches and adults with chronic migraine before they start. >> and treatment is four times a year in a survey, 91% of users, which they'd started sooner so why wait, talk to your doctor hours two weeks after injection causing serious symptoms. >> alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing i problems
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bomb well, look, controls the streets, controls the city playing with our family comes at a cost from here on out. it's normal plane, it's safe take over the city there's a storm coming the penguin streaming exclusively on max was essential in keeping their life together more than anything else. maybe she gotten donald trump's year. >> trump had a connection with begovic because rod was on the
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apprentice and patty begovic was on fox news every day. >> you know, we know that president trump is kind man. he's compassionate, he's always been kind to my family and when you speak on fox news, you have a direct connection with donald trump today, the president sprung from prison. former illinois governor rod laguardia, that she was convicted after attempting his own quid pro quo? >> yes. we have commuted the sentence of ross. i watched his wife on television quote i watched his wife on television. yes. end quote how did, how did that hand? i think he just saw he would tell me he liked the fact that i was fighting back. remember him saying something like friends, they go through what you're going through and there in a corner. they can't even move and you're out there throwing punches i think he liked that i'm so grateful to him sometimes things happen in life, where god intervenes in the most unbelievable ways. >> trump blagojevich fox news
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i'm not sure how much god played a role in any of this when rod came home from prison after eight years, his daughters had grown up how are your relationships with them? >> there? >> good. i'm getting to know them. our family was broken for a long time. the difficulties that i talked about with my father-in-law. >> those were heartbreaking because in spite of everything, i love him and he's been good to me and so many ways and, you know, it's been a tough road for my wife. >> our lives could have been so much simpler, so much better understandably, ride looks back on the time away from his family with regret, not for what he did, of course, but that he was sent to prison in the first place. but what else would you expect from rod i am a political prisoner. >> i was prison for practices what your plot prisoner, seeing wholesome mandela was a political prisoner. political prisoners have no due process. i was thrown in prison and spent nearly eight years in prison for press at the think politics for seeking campaign contributions without a quid
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pro quo, you do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong and he refused to do that and you're creating a whole new alternate universe of facts and that may be big in politics today, but it's still frankly, just a reporter asked you if you wanted to say sorry to the people of illinois and you said sorry for what? >> do you still feel that way? very much so i've done a lot wrong, criminal, none. you and your defenders argue that the persecution prosecution of view is about the criminalization of politics. in other words, there is horse trading that goes on in politics. you do me this favor or i'll do you this favor? and that's all you were doing and that its legal. >> but they made it out to be illegal. well, first of all, it's not illegal. you can argue whether we should improve our laws. that's a valid thing. i would think there's honor womb to improve the fundraising laws but that's not illegal at all and it's a common practice.
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now, ultimately, after i've been in prison for four years, the appellate court reverses that big lie of the sale of the senate and they said it's routine political log rolling and look, that's partially true. >> the court did vacate the conviction related to obama's senate seat, but they never said he did nothing wrong. the court said there was a jury instruction issue and they upheld the remaining 13 counts. so contrary to his claim, he has not been exonerated. and for the love of elvis, we can only hope that rides crimes are not routine. if there is a big lie, it's that he's a victim, especially since every other charge was upheld, including the extortion of a children's hospital gandhi, he ain't this isn't some sort of mystery gosh, i didn't know i had no idea. it's so great. >> really. >> i think most of us have some gut sense of when we're beginning to get in trouble.
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>> i don't leave coy mitch has ever done any reflection on right and wrong extorting a hospital? never occurred to him that that might harm the citizens that he was elected to protect he has no ability to look at anything but himself. that's it. because it what's the worst thing that can be said about you? that's accurate in your view. other than you were stupid to say that stuff share. >> look, i've been accused of being a narcissist am i plead to a misdemeanor on that? okay i think i my judgment of some people was way off. >> i think i should have been a lot more vigilant and see some of the warning signs. i knew they were aggressively out there raising money and i didn't slow it down because i wonder raise the campaign money i could have been more vigilant on that in retrospect close but no cigar whether or not ron
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trusted the wrong people. >> he set them loose on illinois because they brought him the most money. whether the rules on political fundraising or flimsy guardrails the best you can still drive between the lines it's arrives tail is a cautionary wanna camera grabbing over the top example of how bribery, extortion and in graft easily sneak into our political system behind ambition and enormous egos and if politicians or the public feel the same way he does, then and another rod blagojevich is just around the corner i didn't break a law cross the line or take a penny. >> okay. but i never said i wasn't at very much. >> thank you very much awesome. >> yeah. thanks. you. >> enjoy. you're all right. i wish you the best we'll see how it ends up. who care through what did you get, throw me back in prison. no, but i mean, he can't hurt me
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