campaign as well? we are now watching as he speaks to thousands of people at madison square garden, people who kristen is saying are responding very positively to what is a very, very dark message on immigration. and then some of these other things, as i mentioned earlier, that the speakers before trump said on that stage to applause things like calling the u.s territory of puerto rico a floating island of garbage. what else have you been tracking from there and as you go through what we've heard, what is sticking out to you? >> yes, there were also a number of sexist comments made by some of the speakers as well, including saying that kamala harris had temps that we're controlling her. you also heard insinuation said is one of the most vibrant and

rockets a crowds that have not only heard at a trump rally, but any political rally. i have covered the president, the former president has sold out madison square garden and is putting on a spectacle. but the real question is, does this spectacle, given that they are preaching to the converted as elon musk noted, do people that are tuning in to this message, are they going to remember that bad things that he didn't like about donald trump, or they can remember the things they liked about him and that's unclear and you are alex, i understand in the crowd right now. >> right. >> you are there i yes. >> i just took a step outside so i can hear you and i know you were when you were answering the first question you've got at this, but but but please give us a feeling of of the crowd because it does sound i'm through. i mean, it is rocket supplies for all of these things, but what what was your sense also just being among all the people there? >> yeah. i mean, it alternates

from angry and aggressive sort of rah rah maracana. >> one really notable line was when donald trump promised floods, the death penalty to any undocumented person that killed the american citizen in the crowd burst out and spin tedious loud usa champs at the same time. >> what's also interesting is they're being able to flip back and forth between that sort of anger. and then also laughter there when trump is joking on stage, she has the crowd almost as if they're at a comedy show to and going back-and-forth between that darkness and lightness is really sort of a strange to watch. >> it's very, very jarring and just comparing i know kristen talked a little bit about this. you've covered a number of trump rallies give people a sense in context about how this one fits into what would be a normal trump rally well, this is a very normal trump rally in

terms of his rhetoric. >> obviously, the fact that it's over 600, seven hours at madison square garden in some ways, it's a normal trump rally, but now it is the ultimate trump rally. john trump has said this would be his last campaign. this is sort of the one rally that he has always wanted to do. having some of the guests like elon musk and other notable people does make it distinct, but really in some ways american voter has never gone and to a trump rally. this is what many of the trump rallies are really like. it's just boosted all right, alex, stand standby. >> again, if you're just tuning in, we have been watching former president donald trump, who is speaking at a rally in madison square garden in new york city, thousands and thousands thousands of people there. we have heard by all accounts from our reporters who cover trump rallies day in, day out, that this is the darkest rhetoric they have heard coming

from this event tonight. trump, who we have just gone through with kristen holmes and alex thompson fact checking a number of falsehoods that he has centered around immigration. and we also have heard from people who came before him on the stage and were cheered by that crowd they called vice president harris, the anti-christ, the devil they railed against what they called effing illegals. this is some of what we have heard out of madison square garden tonight. and of course, former president is still going. i want to go back to kristen holmes, who's inside. kristen, we dipped out of the speech for a little bit. what what more has he been saying >> he's giving his general talking points in a lot of that is his i'm just don't hear he's using the word nasty, so i'm trying to figure out what he's talking about because i wanted to hear what he was referring to kamala harris or not because that's not a word he often uses what does it sound like? it he has been using the same rhetoric that he often does, as you noted, there is a very heavy focus on

immigration, unsurprisingly, donald trump jr.'s your base rhetoric around immigration is what helps get him into the white house in 2016. and he believes that it could help him again in 2024 now, right now, he's talking about former first lady melania trump. he is giving her a shout, are just a reminder. she spoke tonight. this is the first time she has gotten up on the stage in any campaign event. this cycle and actually spoken, she didn't attend either of the debates that he was at. she attended the rnc, but did not speak. and the only other campaign event she has spoken been. was at mar-a-lago, which is her home. when he announced his present pears candidacy back in november of 2022. so she has been early barely visible. >> this campaign cycle, but she was on the stage again tonight. >> but overall, what we're hearing is a reprise of all of his greatest hits. >> he talks about the economy, he talks about tariffs we fact check that. >> we talk about immigration. >> he clearly is doubling down on that fear-based dark rhetoric. >> this is something he believes is going to help him

at propel him to the white house again in november this is him on display. i think alex said this, he is putting on a show right now, one of the things i had heard before he came here was that he wanted to give the people a show, that that's part of his idea for me. madison square garden, one of the things that he has was saying was that donald trump is playing the garden, which is a typical local way of saying someone is that that madison square garden, but they're treating him like he's the this celebrity and this big performance. it's clearly now talking about his family, talking about how they're all involved in politics, talking about how helpful they've been. but most of this is a normal campaign speech for him, just ramped up on steroids given the fact that he is here taking this stage at this giant menu. again, i just really can't stress enough that even though we are talking thinking about how dark, how divisive, how polarizing these comments can be, and fear-based. >> the crowd is loving it. they are standing up there giving him different applause lines and bera a during his time

standing ovations at various times, they are receiving the information that he is putting out there and as alex said, we don't know. was this is going to go further than just his base, but it does feel to the trump team who i've talked to on the ground here, that they are gaining some momentum. while donald trump continues can use, to use this kind of rhetoric on the campaign trail. so it doesn't seem as though he's going to dial it back or change any of his messaging in these final days before the campaign and what's amazing to kristin is that, you know, we've fact checked a number of things that he said he has said. >> but if you're in america and in your media diet, is very narrow and you don't seek out the fact check. you don't seek out the truth than this this worldview can feel very real and clearly there's so many in that in madison square garden right now, who, who feel that way and who only know what they are being told. i also thought it was interesting. he, he, he did touch when we were

listening in on general john kelly and milley matus, he called them stupid and week of course, kelly and milley, just this week we're talking about how they believe trump is a fascist. what more have you heard about that yeah, and matus agreed with, said he would agree with anything that john kelly said. >> this clearly, three people who have spoken out against donald trump's on surprising than you call him stupid. he has named, called them for he has been increasingly angry particularly general milley and general kelly john kelly, i mean, this is something we have seen now for several months, the campaign doesn't believe that this is going to impact them at all. they don't believe these kind of comments have impacted them. they'd say that john kelly has are you spoken out against donald trump? >> you can tell that it's gotten underneath donald trump's skin. >> the fact that he's bringing it up at this rally, that he's bringing up the two of them saying that they were or stupid that they made bad decisions. it clearly goes to show that the fact that they had spoken

out against him is getting underneath his skin here. it's something that's not that surprising given the fact that we are donald trump is known to have thin skin, right? >> all right. kristen, i want you to stand by. we do have priscilla alvarez, who is joining us by phone and priscilla has been with vice president kamala harris all day and philadelphia and pennsylvania per ciliary, there i am. hi, jessica >> i just want to get your sense from what you're hearing from the harris campaign as this is unfolding, because clearly they are watching this to see what happens in and harris will say, often, i invite you to watch donald trump's rallies and see what he says and we have is chris just describe a rally that has his rhetoric in this dark, dark rhetoric that we hear. but it is on steroids. so what is the harris campaign seeing and what are they taking away from this? >> well and it's not only that the vice president has told people to watch the former president's rallies to see

what he's about. but rather, i have been to a rally of hers rather recently where she played clips of the former president talking about, for example, his enemy from within, comments she has invited them in her own rallies to make her point that it is the former president using what she has described as the same tired playbook. now, that is much of the response that we are getting tonight as well from campaign officials, from democratic officials who are watching this and they are seeing it as fearmongering there, seeing it as the former president using again, the playbook that he has used before when running back in 2016 or in 2020. >> but this is also part of the strategy that is starting to come together in the closing days of the vice president's campaign for example the vice president and then has recently been using a line where she says that the former president is consumed by what she is called as the enemies list

versus her. to do list. so they are casting a picture of the former president obsessed with revenge, plotting revenge in the oval office, and rallies like tonight than the former president rhetoric tonight, play into what the vice president her campaign has been saying that he is consumed by his own troubles are issues with, for example, some of his former officials, be it john kelly who called him fascist. now, in terms of immigration that has been a political vulnerability for the vice president and for the president for some time now, in fact, it was political vulnerability with republicans who had attack the administration repeatedly over the last several years. >> but it also became an issue with democrats amid the record number of people crossing the u.s.-mexico border and then going to these democratic cities, it also raised alarm

among people within the democratic party, not only became a republican issue by democratic issue, as well, and that has been something that they have had to navigate. now, the vice president, when again presented with this, has called for two things, border security. in fact, she has leaned even harder on that as of late, while also saying there should be, for example, as happily to citizenship for immigrants trying to strike a balance here. and so this dark rhetoric from the former president is in some ways a problem for this administration in this campaign, knowing, of course that there have been border crises over the last three years and that they have struggled to grapple with those crises. >> but when pressed on this, the campaign will often say that this is just the former president resorting to hit fearmongering. >> so certainly they are seeing it that way and we have to keep an eye out now for these next

several days, including tuesday, where we anticipate the vice president's closing arguments at the ellipse, and that is where i'm told we'll see more of this dark or rather, we should will be more from the vice president on the stark contrast between her and the former president, notably with the white house behind her eye, notably, of course, where the former president delivered his speech on january 6, that then led to the attack on the capitol so all of this to say is that they are watching this firstly, this is the type of rhetoric that they warned about when the vice president talks about the stakes of the election and jessica, as we talked about earlier today, what was also interesting about the vice president's remarks. here and crucial battleground pennsylvania you, said she didn't mention the former president, but she talked about the broader tent that they are building because of what they're seeing and what their hope is, is that there are republicans who are watching tonight, who are turned off by what the former president is

saying. and that those are the votes that they can try to peel off from the former president. so certainly, all all of this expected to certainly be featured, or at least accounted for as the vice president closes out. this presidential election. >> all right. priscilla alvarez. thank you very much for that reporting. and as you were speaking, priscilla, we've been seeing we're taking live pictures right now from madison square garden that appear to show some people leaving their seats and kind of wandering around. while this is happening. the former president, you see him right there still speaking at madison square garden, i want to go to dana bash and she of course, has been talking to sources dana just kind of zooming out from like a 30,000 foot view on this you know, kristen holmes, our colleague, reporting that a lot of this rhetoric and a lot of the themes he's hitting are familiar from his rallies. but this feels like it's on steroids and we went through in fact, checked a number of things on immigration specifically, there's actually

a great fact check on cnn.com if anyone wants to check that out for themselves. but dana, what are you hearing from your sources talking about the fact that the harris campaign and kamala harris herself. >> i mean, she said it at the one and only debate that she had with donald trump have been saying you've got to listen for yourself. you've got to hear what happens when donald trump speaks to his supporters and this is, i think the way you just put it is perfect. jessica, this is that on steroids, donald trump has always wanted to quote, unquote, play. madison square garden that's what he's doing right now but he's doing it as somebody who is continuing to stoke the fears play on the anger and just flat out lie over and over and over again in order to whip up people who he,

first of all, needs to vote. but also people who are entertained by this kind of rhetoric. i mean, let's just be blunt about it. and you haven't entire iconic arena, madison square garden, that is still with people there to listen to this kind of thing i just want to give one example of something that fell flat, that this is not something that he said, that this is part of the opening acts there was a comedian who said i know you've been talking about this in your coverage. guess about the comedian who completely denigrated all puerto ricans and the island of puerto rico i mean, you are seeing clean up by republicans or at least attempt to clean up by republicans who are relying on

big portions of the who have big portions of puerto rican voters who they rely on. like, for example, rick scott, republican senator from florida. he released it excuse me, tweeted something, trying to separate himself, but suggested that was joked that land i don't see any evidence that the joke didn't land. >> i think that there was there was a lot of laughter sadly, to that horrible, horrible joke on the democratic side john fetterman tweeted from the very important state of pennsylvania that there are half 1 million puerto rican voters, three-quarters of whom are able to vote and that's not going to land well with them. so listen, i mean, i think that the most important thing to understand is that as kristen, it's insane as you have said, as we have told our viewers over and over again, this is

not the kind of rhetoric that is new for him, is just amplified in a way and it is darker and more intense and for a lot of people more frightening than we have seen particularly because of where we are on the calendar. >> yeah and on the calendar with just nine days until election night in america, a dana bash, it is always great to get your perspective on this. >> thank you so much. we really appreciate it alright. >> we're going to take a quick break. we're going to pick this back up on the other side >> i've been saying publicly what people are saying things out? i have enough money. i could just shut off but doctors, i can tonight at nine on cnn subway is making foot-long snack in history.

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scan, the qr code. >> now and joining me now is democratic congressman jamie raskin of maryland. we are talking with the congressman as the former president donald trump is here in new york city at madison square garden, where he has really leaned in to dark dark rhetoric at a rally in front of thousands of people. congressman, thanks so much for being here with us. i first just want to get your take on what we have heard from the former president tonight and what we've heard from that rally i mean it's a horror show where they're trying to invoke all of the racist and misogynistic and anti immigrant themes that they've run their utterly content list campaign on there are no issues. >> there's no policies being advanced. it's all about scapegoating people and so it's fitting that they would end up there what, 85 years after the last group of

authoritarian anti-democratic gathered there but i think it will backfire. i mean, he seems blissfully unaware when they start off with a comedian colin puerto rico of floating pile of garbage that there are more than 1 million puerto rican just in the new york area alone and puerto ricans are part of our country but of course i think it's a major affront hispanic americans generally, i mean, if you think the people laughing and cheering about that kind of racist statement distinguished between puerto ricans in venezuelans and mexicans and dominican's. obviously, they don't yes go ahead democrats are horrified by what's were horrified as americans by what's taking place there. >> it's just an absolute scandal and it makes everybody that much more determined to

deliver a massive historic repudiation of this kind of politics in a week's time. >> well, and it comes, there's a couple of things here. that comes in a week where we have heard from the former chairman of the joint chiefs of staff and mark milley and john kelly, his former chief of staff, who was also a general, who say, who have said they think he is a fascist. and then we have heard from not just them, but other republicans who serve for him and with him including his own vice president, who don't think he is fit to hold office. again yeah, i mean, that's an of the democratic campaign that it is republicans like john kelly, who was trump's chief of staff it was the chair of the joint chiefs of staff general milley, who are saying that he is fascist to his core and the only thing that's deceptive is

that like a lot of facets. >> he's also clownish and he's a grifter and he's a con man and he's a charlatan but his politics are essentially fastest. it's all about dividing the world into friends and enemies. and then attacking and denouncing the enemies and trying to polarize life and society as much as possible so, congressman america is going to vote in nine days and we will see how long it takes to declare a winner. >> last time it took several days. it wasn't until saturday that we know there is a good chance it might we may not know the results on election night. this go around as well in the interim, i know you are concerned both about the transition the presidential transition for if donald trump wins this race, but also i'm curious what you are thinking about, about if there is that interim time between voting and when the winner is declared, there is a high chance for

disinformation to spread from misinformation to spread for lies to spread right and we know that all of the autocrats and the theocrats and the dictators and despots on earth like trump's close buddies, vladimir putin, who he takes orders from and kim jong and president xi and viktor orban are going to be doing everything in their power undermine democracy in america. >> and so we want the democracies of the world to stand up for democracy in america, we have a fair constitutional process and we are going to stand by the constitutional process that we have a real election with real election results and we are i'm not going to allow them to throw chaos into our system again with propaganda disinformation and violence and so what, what about just looking ahead a couple of steps ahead here because i know this is something you're focused on that some house members are

bipartisan, by the way, are focused on making king sure that that election can be certified, that there is not a repeat of what happened in 2020. >> what what are you doing and how do you think that can best be handled? >> well the first thing people need to understand is that we are going to have a physically secure joint session of congress called for under the 12th amendment on january 6, i know a lot of people are afraid, but remember, it was donald trump who was presiding over the federal government in over the national guard now we have president biden. and so if there is a attempted a violent attack on the capitol on members of congress, on the vice president, the national guard, the national security agencies will be there without any interference by an anti-democracy president like donald trump i'm much more concerned about what's going to take place earlier in the process trump's team has

already brought more than 100 lawsuits, dozens of them have already been thrown out, but they're looking for some reason to try to get a case up to the supreme court where trump is evidently convinced that the justices we put into place to overturn roe versus wade and destroy the right to abortion in america, will be there in order to just hand him the presidency and we have hundreds of lawyers who are working to defend the election on the democratic side, we understand we have two goals one is to win the election, fair and square and then two is to defend the election against every effort to overturn the election and to spread propaganda and disinformation to undermine it. that is, obviously donald trump's mo here he continues to claim false let's leave that he won in 2020 when in fact he was defeated by more than 7 million

votes, 306 to 232 in electoral college. and 60 different federal and state courts, including eight of them with judges he appointed to the bench, presiding, rejected every single claim of electoral fraud god, and corruption that they alleged, and yet still, he and his pet chameleon, jd vance are out they're alleging that there was something wrong with the 2020 election that is a fascistic tactic because authoritarian political parties do not accept the results of democratic elections that don't go their way. and they also embrace, were refused to disavow political violence as an instrument for obtaining power. and now you've got donald trump running around the country saying he's going to pardon hundreds of people convicted of violently assaulting federal and local police officers. on january 6, and also, he wants to pardon people convicted of seditious conspiracy, which means conspiracy to overthrow the government of the united states

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trump, cnn senior political analyst mark preston is here to talk a little bit more about this mark. >> there were so many facets to tonight's rally to talk about melania, trump has barely been seen since trump announced he was running this cycle this was her first speech of the year she came out to introduce her husband at a rally where we saw incredibly dark rhetoric and the kind of people that were going before trump the opening act as it were calling puerto rico a floating island of garbage. and harris, the anti-christ. so what do you make of seeing melania trump there tonight? >> well a couple of things. what, what's interesting is that melania trump, if you go back to 2020, jessica, she was on the campaign trail onetime basically, and that was about one week before election day. she did it up right outside of philadelphia mother talking to our good friend, kate bennett at the time, she spent a lot of time covering melania trump,

but i remember talking to her and her just talking to me about how melania trump would spend a whole lot of time on the campaign trail while we've seen certainly in this election and you could even argue actually that she's not on the campaign trail. i mean, she went right down the street maybe 20 blocks or so to do the speech. but she's only done a couple of fundraisers. and other than that, she has been absolutely she's been absent but again, not totally surprising given that she is a very private person and the president himself, when asked about this, has noted that she would prefer to stay private as opposed to being in the public eye, which in this day and age is kind of interesting given the fact that if you're going to run for president united states, you are going to be in the public guy, right? >> and it is, it is just one of those other things that is so much is not normal or typical about about how former president trump runs his campaigns, et cetera, et cetera but but did not have a spouse

that's actively participating is not what we're accustomed to seeing. in modern-day politics no, certainly not. >> but, but when she is out there, she is very supportive of him. i mean, we saw at the convention you know, obviously, i mean, she'd be there, but she's she's not somebody who prefers being in the pups life. >> look in politics, we do know jessica, i mean, you and i spent a lot of time on the campaign trail. we've seen a lot of different dynamics amongst spouses on the campaign trail sometimes spouses just love it. you know, they're in it together you know, the husband's in it, the white is in it regardless of who's running. >> i think we're seeing that et on the democratic side would kamala harris and doug emhoff. >> i mean, he's on the campaign trail. >> he's pretty active. he seems to be into a foot you know, in this case with melania trump somebody who is who would prefer to stay private?

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strategist, katie frost and cnn political commentator and democratic strategist, maria cardona. >> thanks to both of you for being here tonight. we appreciate it. maria. let's start first with you. of course all of our eyes tonight have been on this rally at madison square garden where we heard a lot of the rhetoric and the same stories from trump that we've heard. but really on steroids and then the opening act from people talking before him, we heard things like 11 guy called puerto rico, which is a us territory, a floating island of garbage what is your takeaway from tonight? >> look, jessica, talking about this have it right? this is the dark dystopian, donald trump on steroids and as a latina raised in puerto rico, i found this deeply, deeply offensive so

many puerto ricans, not just on the island, but the hundreds of thousands of voters in pennsylvania that are of puerto rican descent also found it deeply, deeply offensive and disturbing. >> but this is actually bigger than that. >> jessica, and i think what it does is it allows americans to see the stark contrast that is exactly what vice president kamala harris has been talking about these last couple of weeks and what she is going to close on. >> so i have to thank donald trump and all of the misogynistic, racist xenophobic, white supremacist speakers that he had at his rally because they are underscoring that vice president kamala harris is going to be focused on the future, is going to be focused on solutions, is going to be focused on her to do list for americans well, donald trump,

if he gets to the oval office, he's going to be focused on retribution. he is going to be focused on vengeance. he's going to be slumped over on the resolute desk, working on his enemies list. she wants to get to work. donald trump wants to get even. and i think that stark contrast is going going to show independent voters moderate republicans, those people who already understand and have seen that donald trump is completely unfit. >> i think a rally like today is an in-kind contribution to the kamala harris, tim walz campaign. katie i want to ask you because democrats like maria, but, but jamie raskin, who we just talked to democrats, of course, are speaking out against, against that particular comment. but it's not just democrats. it's also republicans. maria elvira salazar, who is a congresswoman from south florida she tweeted and said, this is this is

condemning this. she said the rhetoric does not reply reflect gop values. what's your reaction to that you know my reaction is as we as i do agree with maria, that we have to starkly different closing arguments but i'd give them a little differently. >> i see vice president harris going out there and making all of these very dark accusations against president trump and failing to communicate what she's actually going to do for the american people. she says that she always wants to make it about. she's not donald trump, but she can't tell the american people what she's actually going to do for them. and then on the contrast, you have president trump, who's closing argument is kamala broke it and he will fix it. and that is something that resonates with the american people when the vast majority of the american people don't believe that we are moving in the right direction why would they want to vote to continue the same failed policies we've had the last few years. and that is why we're seeing present trump is doing so well in all polling in the early

vote numbers, they look excellent for him because americans are answering the question that he asked at the beginning of every single rally are you better off now than you were when i was president and overwhelming answer is no. the american people were much better off when president trump was in office. and that's why he is doing so well, that's what we're seeing. a lot of flailing on the democratic side candidly messaging is all over the place president trump is going to get reelected. he's going to focus on the economy. he's going to focus on immigration and look at the coalition he has built. he has former democrats. there were people speaking at that rally african americans, jewish americans hindu americans. these are a diverse group of people who were united around the concept of we're going to get our country back on the right track. and that's what i think we saw tonight. and that's we're going to see over the last couple of days his campaign. >> yeah. i just thank you to both of you. i do want to close with this. we got to get to a break, but i do want to read everyone the cote quote from comedian tony hinch cleft this is about a us territory. it is

part of america and i just want to underscore that there were thousands of people cheering for this, which so there's a lot going on like, i don't know if you know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. yeah, i think it's called puerto rico and that's about an entertainer territory at and. republicans want to brace that jessica be my guess because that is going to give us a hundreds of thousands of more votes. so all right. okay. i'm from the south quickly keeping the blood of every single joke that comes out of a democrats mouth. so i mean, come on, this happens all the time. >> there's and then there's racism. so we got to go guys. >> i'm so sorry, the i'm so sorry. alright. thanks to both of you for joining us. we're going to take a break. thank you. >> tomatoes, are they a fruit or a vegetable you're actually both, right? >> but botanically speaking, the us supreme court ruled that

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for democrats, georgia has been out of reach and the presidential level since 1992 before that, just jimmy carter georgia is blue. georgia is blue. we'll see if it holds. we'll see if it holds its dig in for one quick second and then we'll kind of go back out and explain why it's so important for the bigger picture. what just happened is we saw vote come in from clayton county. clayton county is a democratic county. you can look at the margin right there. obviously, joe biden leads the county pretty handling and over the course of the night, they have been the county that has been reporting hats off to them for working through the night in continuously churning out votes. and as they have continuously churned out votes, batch after batch, after batch, even if it was only 200 votes, we're going to joe biden by a rate of about 84, 85%. that was what he was above what he needed. he's been overperforming. reason why democratic county reason why mail-in vote. it's what we've seen across several states. and that put joe biden over the top you might also remember it took four days before we had a winner. >> so what should we expect things to be like this year? that's a question a lot of

people are asking cnn's zachary wolf, author of cnn's, what matters newsletter, has been looking think in to that question. he joins us now in washington. zachary, what have you found first of all, watching that phil mattingly video was giving me some flashbacks and cleaver. >> they weren't exactly pleasant, but maybe it's going to be a little bit better. this year for a couple of reasons. number one, there's fewer people voting by mail male, a lot of the election a lot of people are voting early in-person, specifically in georgia, in north carolina, these are places where without the pandemic, there's just kind of this return. we think we'll have to see exactly what happens. but this sort of return to voting in-person it just takes longer to take a mail-in ballot out of an envelope. the verification process is a little bit different. you don't have somebody standing there with an id card. so it just takes a little bit longer and if there's less mail-in ballot, less mail-in voting, which is what we think. then that should

speed things up. and the other element is that most states have changed their laws so that election officials can start to pre-process them, which is basically taking them out of their ballots, are out of their envelopes before election day georgia, they're allowed to do that. now there are some hiccups because in pennsylvania and wisconsin, two of the tightest states, according to pre-election polling, they haven't made some of these changes. so if it comes down to those two states, you could still see a real change in the makeup of ballots that are counted over the course of a night that could look like a shift towards democrats. all the votes were cast in the same time before the end of election day. but just when they're counted can create this impression and that is where misinformation really feeds. so hopefully that is not the case this year, but we'll just have to see what happens yeah. >> we certainly will. and i know you mentioned a couple of states, but any key states that

could be especially slow going there is some concern in arizona that there could be a lot of votes dropped off drop it in these drop-off ballot boxes that you've probably heard about if he paid some attention to this pennsylvania, they can't pre-process the mail-in votes wisconsin, they can't process the mail-in votes that georgia is secretary of state was talking about how he expects most of the votes to be counted by 8:00 p.m. on election night. >> so that's a lot faster, but if it's close, then they'll start looking to overseas ballots to absentee ballots to people who cast provisional ballots. it all comes down to how close things are if it's, if it's too hard to project, it could be a long time all right. >> zachary wolf with a answers to questions. everybody's asking right now. thank you so much for that. we really appreciate it. >> i want to thank you for joining me this evening. i'm jessica dean, meant to see you again next weekend right here the cnn film carville winning

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