idea of obeying in advance that in democracies that are studying towards autocracy as people tried to obey in advance that wealthy businessman immediate leaders, that powerful people start to give in to the aspiring authoritarian whims in advance. and that's exactly the concern that exists here. in fact, snyder came out over the weekend, said that's what he thinks is happening at the washington post and the los angeles has said who he would vote for in this election. >> he has not. but the paper under bezos, when he owned the paper, did endorse hillary clinton in 2016 and endorsed joe biden in 2020. strangely anderson, the paper actually endorsed the maryland senate democrat candidate for the senate just four weeks ago. so this sudden change in endorsement, it's the timing that's created some controversy. >> the owner of the los angeles times sudden not to endorse as well? >> yes. and there has been the same kind of fallout, not quite as many subscriber losses, but there as well more than 10,000 subscribers canceling subscriptions basically an active protests. the only kind of protests that an audience member can have if you're paying for a publication, you can back out and the fear at both the la times and the

washington post is the same that these owners are giving in to pressure from trump ahead of the election, expecting that he will win it's interesting pesos sites of former editor or owner of the washington post back, i think, i mean decades and decades ago as somebody you didn't want there to be endorsements, right? and this is true of 50, 60 years ago, the post did not endorse, but in modern history, in the post has more importantly for a lot of the post columnist, the opinion writers, they don't believe this is important than north endorsed harris as it is to condemn donald trump they believe trump is a threat to the american free press, and that he will impose draconian restrictions. and those fears are palpable in other newsrooms as well. i think that's why this story has resonated so wide and so far. but bezos, he's saying he's trying to do the right thing, trying to restore trust in the media. >> brian stelter. thanks. the news continues right here on cnn vulgar campaign finale at trump's mega rally paris, not letting it go tonight as we have new reporting that the trump picked committee gideon,

who made the vulgar comments, had something far worse planned and breaking news this hour, federal investigation into who set fire to those ballot drop box fox in two different states we know now hundreds of ballots have been destroyed. >> is pennsylvania's secretary of state worried he is next and we're going to ask him with when he thinks will know who wins pennsylvania. plus famed astrophysicist neil degrasse tyson, taking on elon musk's musings about aliens on earth let's go outfront >> evening. i'm erin burnett outfront tonight on this monday, trump revealing the former president's campaign making a rare cleanup attempt tonight huge deal from a campaign and a candidate than ever admits to mistakes. >> trump's big closing argument at madison square garden last night, featuring crass and vile comments about puerto rico and latinos in general comments that could cost trump the election if he pays the price and pennsylvania we're latino voters could decide the race. >> kamala harris tonight highlighting trump's crass and

vile rally donald trump's event, square garden really highlighted the point that i've been making sure out this campaign he is focused and actually fixated on his grievances on himself on dividing our country. >> what he did last night not a discovery. it is just more of the same and maybe more vivid than usual donald trump's full time trying to have american my fifth finger at fans fuel of hate and division and that's why people are exhausted with him all right. >> she was referring in part to this i don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. yeah, i think it's called puerto rico now i'm going to stop there and just play that part. i do want to note that the man you saw there, his name is tony

hinchcliffe. maybe even more vile and sexually explicit remarks about latinos. and we thought long and hard about whether to play them, decided not to that they are to vulgar and graphic for me to play here. but our danny freeman spoke with latino voters in philadelphia about those comments. and the voters he spoke to are angry, which is important for trump's campaign, because the latest polling in pennsylvania shows trump up by one point. obviously that's well within the margin of error. and according to pew research, there are more than 600,000 latinos eligible to vote in the state of pennsylvania. that's a massive amount, just objectives, but relatively this makes the point the margin of victory in pennsylvania in the 2020 presidential race was less than 100,000 votes. so when you look at 600, you realize how big that could be, even if just some of them are moved by what happened so as a result of the trump campaign, tridle's of cleanup, a campaign spokesperson claiming this joke does not reflect the views of

president trump or the campaign of course, this was a comedian appearing by invitation of trump and the campaign at a trump rally. and trump himself has remained silent no apology, no separating, nothing, even though the crass comments bring to mind something trump himself, did i mean, remember when hurricane maria slammed into the island of puerto rico and trump famously through those paper towels into a crowd before falsely denying the storm's official death toll. of course, thousands of people died. so trump's silence today, after the comedian made that joe calling puerto rico and a floating pile of garbage may speak volumes. but even as he is silent, trump's running mate jd vance, is taking it head-on i would see the joke. i you know, maybe maybe it's a stupid racist joke as you said, maybe it's not. i haven't seen it. i'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke, but i think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. >> i'm just i'm so over it

all right. the fact about this though one thing that's just undeniable is this. it was totally avoidable by team trump. according to the bulwark marc caputo, even though staffers say that the puerto rico joke about garbage was adlibbed into the bit so they say, well, they didn't know about it because it was adlibbed prior to it. they had had a chance to look at a script and they did know that totally disgusting jokes were in the planned script from the commedia. i mean, here's one example. campaign insider tells caputo that the comedian actually had a joke calling harris a c-word trump staffers saw that they said no, oh, bridge too far as hinchcliffe to cut that remark when they saw the draft, you'd think when someone has joke calling someone, the c-word in their bit, that'd be a red flag. but it wasn't and marc caputo is going to be with me in a moment with more reporting because here's the thing. even as those staffers tonight insisted caputo that they did not spot the other horrific comments and

hinchcliffe prepared remarks. many more comments were set at that rally about harris and others like these country. >> she is the devil, whoever scream that out >> she is some sick that hillary clinton, huh? what a sick son of a the whole party, a bunch of degenerates those were other speakers, all invited, all of whom scripts had gone through an approval process danny freeman is outfront in philadelphia and danny, i know you've had a chance today to be just just talking to voters in the, in the immediate aftermath of that to get their reaction shan, what are they telling you erin, quite frankly, we spoke to a lot of puerto rican see you in philadelphia today and they told me that they're mad, they're frustrated. many of them told me that they took these remarks personally and listen, erin, we are in a democratic city speaking with a normally democratic coalition. so it's not that surprising.

we'd find some outrage, but i was surprised at the level of outrage that we really did see because we spoke to not only democrats, we also spoke to an undecided puerto rican voter also, a puerto rican voter who already voted for trump and they told me their frustration with these remarks was palpable as well vice president harris's campaign wasted little time monday morning they did us a favor they woke up. >> they woke up. they woke us up there. what goes up assembling a host of puerto rican surrogates in philadelphia. i hope that people are angry and they turn that anger into interval pennsylvania has more than 480,000 residents of puerto rican descent according to 20 he 22 data from the u.s. >> census bureau. that's the most out of any of the battleground states. and the philadelphia metro area is among the top regions with puerto ricans outside of new york and florida, philadelphia city council member and harris supporter gets the lazada knew she had to speak up after last

night. >> i think that what folks don't realize is that puerto rico and puerto ricans get angry return to action mode, right around phillies largely puerto rican fair hill neighborhood voters. >> we spoke with had heard the comments in what he's talking about. puerto rico is a beautiful island, 32-year-old christian hernandez is voting for the first time this year for vice president harris, the trump rally remarks only solidified his vote you think puerto ricans heard those words from last night? >> yeah, for sure. >> i'll are a-lago but, it was there, matt i'm disappointed. >> marcos pagan didn't like the comments at all when you hear stuff like puerto rico as a floating island of garbage, what goes through your mind? >> they'll be honest. i feel disrespected because he doesn't know what we go through. now, we've been

through a lot, but marcus still for. >> when you hear comments like that, does that change your perspective about who you might vote for? >> no that's not an to see it to believe it, you know, everybody is actually find words for now, santiago already cast his vote for former president donald trump. but now he and his whole family are mad about last night's remarks. what did you think about him calling puerto rico that's my stuff because that's my island. >> you know, i don't want to cohen is people talking like that you know, this, this now right because of this lack of respect towards puerto ricans that settlement to the trump campaign specifically in pennsylvania to

speak with someone about what happened last night. >> they just pointed us to the statement that they released last night saying, again, this joke does not reflect the views of president trump or the campaign. i will note though tomorrow, former president trump is expected to be in allentown, pennsylvania another city here with an enormous latino and especially enormous puerto rican population. we'll see if he addresses it, that that is going to be fascinating. and again, so important. thank you very much, danny, actually speaking to those voters, everyone's here with me now, van, let me start with you because i know you're very close to the harris ground operation in philly, so you really know what's going on there on the ground. i know that there have been some challenges for her there, but does this change the game? that joke about the floating pile of garbage made by that comedian last night. does that change the game at this late hour it energizes a certain kind of voter. >> look, if you're a trump voter, you've forgiven him for so much stuff that you, it's almost an automatic thing. what you have though, are people who are for kamala harris, but they have questions in there. luke warm this is this is a couch

propulsion device like an a cartoon just pushing people off the couch to be like, hey, hold on a second. we're not going to just be insulted he insulted the city of detroit. that also is a couch propulsion device him gone going around being an insult comic, hiring insult comics and acting this way is excited, turning people one way or the other, but it's motivating people who already don't like him and who now feel that it's a matter of personal pride to stand up to him couch propulsion device and new a new term, right? marc caputo, you were first to report that the comedian there wanted to call kamala harris, the c-word and that had actually been in the scrapped the campaign requested that came out, so it did. then they're saying that this specific line was adlibbed in, but then there were others that the one i referred to the incredible graphic, incredibly graphic sexual comments about hispanics coming into the united states. what are your sources telling you about how the jokes that did make it

through got through where they tried to say every one of them was adlibbed just kind of parsing what happened or kind of calculating out what happened is the puerto rico joke, the trash island joke was adlibbed allegedly the black person carving watermelons for halloween was adlibbed. >> these are words i never thought i would say hey, on cable news and there's a divide over whether they knew about the accrued joke that let's say with latino migration of the united states, i guess that's very difficult way to describe it, but i think that's accurate though we all know what you're talking about. yep right so is the divided about whether they knew about that enough, but the other jokes, palestinians throwing rocks, jews being potentially greedy or liking paper a reference to haitians, the false story of haitians

eating cats and dogs assassination attempt. >> all of those things from what i was told a did make it through the broader story here is this is that the trump campaign wants to be norm busting abnormal. it wants to do new and edgy things. and so they invited a roast master comic edge lord to give a speech at a presidential campaign in the waning days of the campaign. and the waning days of the race and the guy did his comic edge ford routine. and this is what it looks like. some things are appropriate for podcasts, which he has kill tony is a very popular podcast. and these very funny if you liked that sort of humor but it didn't mix with a presidential campaign event. and that's what you're seeing currently? >> no. no. and there is a tone that people expect even in the context of the trump campaign. and the way that this has been the consistent behavior. i mean, lulu, as i said, trump has so far not distanced himself from this, even though

the campaign has tried to jd vance also doe did bring it up today and let me just play what he said it's telling that kamala harris is closing message is essentially that all of donald trump's voters are nazis and you should get really off about a comedian telling a joke. >> maybe it's a stupid racist joke, as you said, maybe it's not. i haven't seen it. i'm not going to comment on the specifics of the joke but i think that we have to stop getting so offended at every little thing in the united states of america. i'm just i'm so over it interview vance recently. >> so what he just did there, the same kamala harris is saying, every one of you is a nazi. so in that context, one bad joke, even if it's racist let's put it in context. that's essentially what he's saying. there you interviewed him and understand how he speaks and how he his mind works. what do you make of this response in the speech?

>> well, i mean, senator vance can run, but he can't hide from that. it's classic, right? i didn't hear it. maybe it's true, maybe it's not true, but what about this other thing and it's just the classic rhetorical circular argument that doesn't address the issue at hand, which was incorrect credibly offensive language. i mean, there's reporting from my colleagues at the new york times that say that the trump campaign is extremely worried about this one joke. >> possibly you can excuse to jokes, you can say, all right, maybe it was a bad call, but as marc caputo has just said, there were a series of these and i don't. >> think they should be lauded for actually striking out the c-word and having the sitting vice president and the first potential female president of this country being called that name. so i just i don't think that there's anything that they can say at this point, but i would if indeed former president trump wants to make

amends his to the puerto rican community. perhaps he might say burden i'm sorry a good start. mckell the trump campaign made a comment. trump has said nothing but you just heard danny freeman talking about how trump's going to be an allen town, which is home to a huge number voters, puerto rican in puerto rican descent and hispanic voters. and that, that's going to be a moment tomorrow where he has a choice. so what do you think? do you think that he should and do you think that he will somehow distance himself from these comments? i hesitate to use the word apologize. >> yeah. >> i think what mark said it was really interesting, right? like this was an interesting call to even have a comic at an event like this. i think admitted. i think it was an unforced error whether or not it's survives this 24 hour news cycle. i i really don't see it with due respect. i think there'll be much the effort to make this be the only thing that anybody talks about for the next six days. but the reality is, is it is serving right now to stop people from

talking about the disastrous policies. and so in that respect, it was a gift to the harris campaign, which we didn't really i think think that trump campaign wanted to give them at that time then to the point makayla is making fascist hitler, john kelly was 48 hours of intense intensity for some people. >> then and you still have washington post situation going on with the denial of endorsing kamala harris. now you have this so is this just going to be a thing and then pass or could it have more staying power you know, it will it will pass for us but if you're on the ground and you're in philadelphia and you're trying to get turnout unless jump comes out tomorrow and you'll say, oh, beautiful puerto rico, i love puerto rico about what he'll do something. >> he's not going to pop i'll just we'll deal do something and that may tamp it down a little bit. but what you're doing is you're giving people who got tired legs and sore knuckles a reason to go out there. again tomorrow morning and you give them something

else to say to their own community. and so it is a gift and even though it passes with us, stuff lasts longer on the the grassroots level than it does on air lulu, it also comes as the pro-trump super pac launched by elon musk and posted, then deleted. >> so i want to say posted then deleted. so everyone understands that they knew that this was not something that they should continue. here is the video kamala harris is a c-word. you heard that, right? a big old c-word in fact all of the other c-words think she's the biggest c-word of the mall that's right. she's a text hiking regulation loving gun grabbing communist >> lulu. they pulled that so they, they, they were aware, i suppose that at some level became aware after that was cut and put together an all the time and money was put into it that that they were going to that was too far this is the

question that i have about all those. >> i get the edge lord stuff. i understand the tactics of wanting to appeal to the basest level of the male population and try to gin them up. but, you know i do wonder especially how this plays for women which they have a lot of trouble with. if you are a mother or you are a daughter or you are a sister do you think that this is something that you want to see if you're trying to tell your kid, hey, you got to be nice to people. you got to respect people, please respect your teacher. do you think that this is there's something that really is the kind of language that everyone wants to embrace. i just find the political strategy slightly baffling, frankly and it is the product of elon musk. i mean, if you look at his x feed the stuff that he posts, this is from his mind. this is the kind of thing that he enjoys now is, is going to act surely gin up the vote and get trump elected. we'll wait and see mykolaiv. they given up on a certain group of women who would find this

offensive i don't think it's about giving up. >> i think that there's just a reality which is that no matter what, this is a very, very close election and people have made the decision and we see this continuously in the polls that whatever kind of thing is being said, whatever negative thing has been said, either that anybody that disagrees is a fascist, nazi or some questionable language that i won't say myself. you know, that's just not what people are making their decision on. people are making their decision on their policies. and if i was wrong about that, that we wouldn't be 48 things are not the same. i mean one thing if someone's calling foreign president trump a fascist, that is political determination that people who served with him have made. >> the other thing that elon musk just did and others that is that is a very different kind of attack that you and i think that that is about her gender, but not deciding it based on this. >> that's just what the polls are showing us and we'll see

you in a week. but neither one of those arguments is convincing to the american people will hit pause there. thank you all very much. and next, elon musk sued over his million dollars a day giveaway. is it impacting the race and breaking the law? i'll ask pennsylvania's secretary of state, and republicans were already preparing turning to take back the senate, but a new poll just out as dashing their hopes harry enten is outfront tonight for 219 a month

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potential targets. outfront. now, pennsylvania's republican secretary of state, al schmidt and secretary schmidt, i'm sorry to be talking to you under these circumstances and i know we're going to be talking a lot over these next weeks as this all plays out. i want to start with these fires. how worried are you about them? are you worried pennsylvania could be at target of these sort of dropbox buyers well, i certainly seen reporting on these incidences in pennsylvania all drop boxes that we have. >> and again, they are county board of elections drop boxes have video surveillance on them. they are secured into the ground or and usually or an oftentimes staffed by people to make sure that voters can return their ballot directly to their county in a way that's safe and secure. >> so when you hear the fbi and the dhs are so i'm glad to hear about the cameras and the putting it into the ground. i mean, details that we wouldn't

necessarily even need to talk about, but i'm glad we hard because it's important. but when you hear the fbi and the dhs warning of domestic violent extremists with election workers being potential targets what are you even able to do to protect election workers? so many of whom of course, are volunteers coming out to help their community on election day, it's not the secretary of state, it's not even a county commissioner it's those friends and neighbors who volunteer essentially for a 14-hour day in pennsylvania to make sure that when you show up to vote, you can make your voice heard at your local polling place this shapiro administration last year set up an election threats task force so that we have clear lines of communication with federal, state, and local partners in law enforcement and election administration to make sure that if any of this ugliness returns that we saw in 2020

everyone knows what everyone else's role is, and we can make sure that if there's any threats targeting or a voters are our poll workers, or are polling places or are counting election staff that will be prepared so secretary in pennsylvania, in lancaster county, officials there say they stopped suspected fraud and as many as 2,500 voter registration forms that some of these margins of victory in many states last time, that this could be everything. >> those applications that showed an accurate addresses mismatch signatures, several forms at the same handwriting. and they say this was what they call paul a large-scale canvassing operation that's what was responsible. what more can you tell me about that well, i'm eager to hear the full report from the county. >> they reached out to us right away. we provided guidance to them for how to handle this sort of situation. it was that they received a significant number of registration as a group and some number of them they believe to not be legitimate. so at the end of that investigation will hear

from them the degree to which they have found evidence of voter registration fraud. i just want to be clear. voter registration fraud is separate from voter-fraud and while the two count intersect when you apply to register to vote in pennsylvania, you're providing a driver's license number or you're providing a social security number. so when someone files a fraudulent voter registration application and it's not legit, it's easy to identify and flag. >> alright, so then do you feel that you know the full extent of this is it and other counties mean do you feel like you have a sense of how big it is it's really a county level, and i'm confident that the county will report out to the pennsylvania department of state and everyone else. >> the extent to which they have found evidence of this at all alright, so i want to ask you about elon musk and he's being sued now by the district attorney in philadelphia over that million dollar a day give away that he's giving to vote or registered voters in swing states like yours they say that

it's an unlawful lottery. >> they want it shut down. do you think elon musk has broken the law secretary? >> well, i can certainly see why it would be concerning the pennsylvania department of state is not a law enforcement agency. so i would really leave that up to our partners in law enforcement to make a determination about whether that's lawful or not? >> i'm curious when you there's been all this talk about whether pennsylvania will be able to have results on election day. i know you have cautioned against expecting that even though you have machines that will help open some of those mail in ballots that are designed to open the outer ballot, the enter ballot. all of that. but now you're getting a sense for how many people are voting early do you have a better feel every day, secretary with how quickly you'll be able to tell the country who won pennsylvania well erin, every election, whether you have mail ballot voting or not always comes down to how close an election is before you know who won and who lost and while our laws

unfortunately have not changed since 2020, that prevent counties from processing mail ballot envelopes before 7:00 a.m. on electric shouldn't morning. >> some things have changed. new equipment at the counties. a lot more experienced than they had in 2020, and fewer voters voting by mail, even though it's widely embraced during that peak, covid environment, we certainly had a lot more voters choosing to vote by mail. so with those three things, i'm confident that our county partners will process mail ballots, expeditiously and with integrity. >> all right. well, secretary, i appreciate your time. thank you very much thank you, erin next, the breaking news. trump just attacking michelle obama signs. >> they could lose a safe senate seat, one that could cost them the senate majority

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your support in november 5th, you know, it's nasty to me. >> michelle obama and respectful. >> oh, she opened up a little bit of a a little bit of a box. she opened up a little bit of subsidy issue is nasty >> that was a big mistake that you made that attack coming two days after lines like for michelle obama as she urged voters not to support trump put sure

understanding the policy, no ability to put together a coherent argument, no honesty, no decency, no morals all right. >> everyone is back with me, lulu, michelle obama obviously still extremely popular. and then this weekend when she came out in the campaign trail, you know, that was her big first her big in these final days just choosing to come out and, you know, obviously she was very aggressive in her attacks against trump, but then he's coming out and saying that she was nasty to him. and obviously the word nasty brings back the memories of nasty woman and the t-shirts that we all still see people wearing around who were hillary clinton supporters? was it a mistake for trump to use the word or do you believe it was fully purposeful know clearly fully purposeful. >> he used those words before and also he's launching them against michelle obama because she is a very effective messenger for the democrats i mean, that speech was a powerful speech. some would

have urged her to come around sooner because because people like michelle obama, she polls oftentimes even higher than her husband she's a best-selling author. people identify with her. and so, you know, when trump takes her on, he's doing that deliberately because she is very effective for the democrats as a political messenger, especially in this election, especially about reproductive so van does she respond to this? i mean, in the whole you know, when they go low, we go high or is this just a whole different game? and she should seize on the whole, use the word not nasty. and what conjures up for some voters look michelle obama has been taking donald trump to the woodshed every time she's bound at microphone for eight years and he has never spoken her name because he's terrified of her strength, her power. >> everybody has a nickname. he's i mean, you can't talk bad about donald trump without getting jumped on. this is the first time he's even said her her name and his response was pretty muted because he knows

if he steps hard, it gets michelle obama. he is going to bring the roof down on his head. so even he knows better than to take all michelle obama. i love obama, andrew husband and so american so mikayla at hillary clinton was called nasty. he's called kamala harris nasty as well. but you heard van say ben, what was the word you said muted. a bit muted. >> muted. okay. so mikayla, do you agree i mean, you know, it's nasty to me, michelle obama, and then he said she was nasty, you shouldn't be that way. that was a big mistake. she made. do you also think that's muted? i mean, he's given some of the other things we've heard him say it would appear it is right. he could've he didn't want of michelle obama. >> and if he goes further than that, he's going to regret it. >> i mean, he he prefaced that with i was always nice to her. i think what's interesting here is look, trying to shame people into voting for your candidate. i don't think is really effective whether it's presuming that people that disagree with you are racist or massage if they're going to vote for the guy you don't like wine, country, when the country

is this device, she literally said that you are going to be you have the health of women and there could be your daughters and your sisters are your mothers, and they're going be and so if you are well, van what she said was that she was speaking specifically to the men and she said it's going to be your daughters and if you vote for this guy, i don't understand this country. i might not have it. perfect. but she admitted that she doesn't understand that half the country disagrees of there, and i think we should be giving people a reason to vote for something not only saying that they don't like the other guy. and i think that that's not effective. we'll find out. >> lulu, is this, is that a fair criticism of the democratic strategy right now? >> well, it might be a fair criticism of the democratic strategy if we just in our previous session talk about all the things that were said at that rally in new york. so i, you know, it's very hard the pot calling the kettle black when, you know, when we've

just seen this kind of festival of hate. so yeah, i don't think it's necessarily fair criticism at the end of the day, i do think though people are tired of the name calling and the ugliness of this campaign and many people just want it to be over me included yeah, i think i haven't heard anybody who hasn't just said just get it over and then you don't need to say anything else, don't really care what they which way they're going they just everyone is united in wanting and over. >> alright, thank you all very much and next, an incumbent republican senator at serious risk of being knocked off by an independent challenger. and this is crucial because they could kill the gop's hopes of retaking the chamber and affect the total balance of power. harry enten at the magic wall plus trump, making a big promise on the campaign trail we will land an american astronaut on mars neil degrasse tyson is outfront saturday at nine on cnn did you know sweat from stress is

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will come visit us. >> maybe, maybe there are here right now. i haven't seen any like, sort of green aliens with antennas on the head or anything like that? and maybe they are, they just very subtle >> now, you may hear him chuckling famed astrophysicist neil degrasse tyson. ahead of the hayden planetarium host of star talk, and just wrote the newly revised edition of his first book, merlin tour of the universe. we were talking about the beautiful color there cover their suneil. ok, trump has talked about putting an astronaut on mars and he has said it in one of his comments that he, that the u.s. will be the first nation to land an astronaut on mars now, we know in the lexicon of trump that could just be an absolute nothing. is this a real possibility or not? >> you have to ask, why would one do that and we have a very capable multiple capable one of them is an suv sized rover on mars that you in fact carry a helicopter. so in terms of

scientific exploration that you don't really need people. but it's fun to send people because they can come back and you give them parades and you named schools after them. so i don't have i don't have a problem. i don't have an issue against sending people, but the only time we've ever done that is when there's a geopolitical motive, not simply because it felt like the next thing we should do and one thing about elon commenting about aliens with antennas the degeneration of aliens with antennas was back when our tvs had and that's probably good about that. we don't draw it. aliens with antennas anymore. this is just the fact that our imagination flows out of our culture, not out of any real data that's coming from the university yet well, and that's it. >> that there's a lot of comments like a big none of them are positive about the current state of social media and discourse. i'll keep them to myself elon muscle when it comes to talking about why one would do this and he trump now obviously are very tightly tied together politically, he has

made the argument as to why here he is permanently occupied science base on the moon. >> we can build a city on mars. we can be multiplanet species. and out there among the stars very exciting. we want to make stuff the academy real you know. and i go out there and visit other star systems ventrally and see if there are alien civilizations i just want to note, and maybe this is a moment because i know a lot of people have strong feelings about elon musk. some people really like them. a lot of people despise him right now. he's saying that on the campaign trail and that is a really odd rare thing that anybody on a campaign trail we'll be talking about that sort of thing and that sort of detail and apparently wants you to think about the future and that's a future. >> the question is whether how he'll that is right. and i'm saying when we went to the moon, are cleansed memory of that episode was a were explorers. we're discoverers. americans. and did you park the curtains? it was we were at war with the soviet union and they were beating us in every

checkpoint in space. the first satellite, the first human, the first the first dog for not getting non-human dog. the first space station, the first woman, the first black person there was a cuban so they been said everything that we got to the moon before them and we said we win. and then we look over our shoulder and they weren't there and we stopped going. that's it. that's evidenced that we didn't go to the moon just to explore. we went through to beat the russians and we succeeded. and the geopolitical drivers for that day, they're down between a little bit, a little bit because china oh, by the way, why did we stay on the moon in 1972 or go back in 1980, 1990, 2000, 2010. there was no perceived geopolitical threat china says, hey, we might put some taikonauts on the moon, all of a sudden, nasa says, oh, let's have the artemis program and put humans back on the moon so i didn't all this, of course there's the embarrassment of boeing, but its been going through elon musk obviously has been a bright, shining light for the american space and rocket program. >> again, whatever you think of his politics that is for sure

but one thing about space right now, been replaced we, you know, you're in the future. >> if one space vessel doesn't work, you just choose another one that's pretty you know, you're in the few that's good. >> that never used to be the debris was the case. >> yeah, i would have been stranded astronauts forever. >> so elon musk on the campaign trail and on the campaign stage making those comments, trump talking about pudding an astronaut on mars. in a sense, this is the most nonpartisan saying either one of them say kamala harris, leads the national space council. she leaves the national space council. and here's what she has said now extraordinary opportunity so our task dare i say, our duty as nations must be to work together to make that opportunity real. and to preserve it for future generations. >> yes, base has hardly ever

been partisan. so i'm happy to report that fact. nasa has ten centers scattered into eight states. states that variously vote five, read three, blue, five, blue, three, red, and so if you had a strong opinion about nasa one way or another, it would not correlate with your politics, but that's a good fact. >> it's a great fan. yes, it's a great fact and time we can all feel quite down. so now in your book, i love it because it's just, it's questions. i i mean, i just i'm looking through so many about the moon stars exploration cartoons drawn by your brother, brothers, an artist. >> he went to the the high school of music and art back in the day here in new york city's laguardia of what became laguardia became emerge more on par high school music, antarctic performing arts, and it became laguardia. >> well, the cartoons are great and their character merlin explains all these ideas and answers people's questions. one of which you add someone asked about, it's impossible for there to be two full moons in february, but then there's leap year. so explain to me how squeezed him in because it