really out there things she called for obama to be killed on paper view by a firing squad. and she is running to be in charge of the public schools in north carolina and the defense of some of these trumps supporters. we've talked to them and we showed them the tweets from michele morrow. we showed some of mark robinson's or inflammatory statements and a lot of the trump supporters said, after seeing that they wouldn't be voting for them. so i'm gonna give them the benefit of the doubt there. some of the people they see the tweets, they see what people say, and they're not just voting democrat or republican really unbelievable. >> i can't wait to listen to your podcast again, the good liars tell the truth, dram seafloor's jason sell, vic. thank you both so much. thanks. ramadan and thank you all for watching. >> i'll see you back here tomorrow. hope you all have a safe and happy halloween and watch out for those disappeared >> where do i go anderson cooper

both candidates are barnstorming through the battleground states. there's late new polling on the state of play and we'll take a look at the latest numbers also tied just days before the election news today obtained by cnn of house speaker mike johnson, saying if trump wins, he'll work to eliminate obamacare, the affordable care act, which millions of voters rely on. >> and later, where some trump supporters getting their information don't o sullivan day watches pro-trump tv to see what some voters are seeing from deep inside the bunker. >> a good evening, thanks for joining us. >> we're just six it's campaigning days left. the candidates are now matching each other state per state across the electoral map. the former president is talking right now in green bay, wisconsin, those are live pictures. the vice president meantime, also in wisconsin for an appearance shortly in madison, and we're north carolina earlier today. we'll go live in a moment to madison. we're seeing that jeff zeleny has been talking to his campaign sources about, among other things, we've seen polling from wisconsin. take a look at, choose the vice president with a six-point lead there, a five-point lead in

michigan, both are outside the margin of error in pennsylvania, though it is all even at 48 zena john king starts us off with more so john, i mean, looking at these numbers, what stands out to you? >> largely positive for the vice president, they show competitive races and all three of these blue wall states, anderson, i just show you, bring up my friend to many magic wall is with me here. remember these are the blue wall states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, new polling shows the vice president you noted leads in michigan and in wisconsin, a tie and pennsylvania, why did these states matter what joe biden? tipton back to blue in 2020, he's president in 2016, if you go back in election, hillary clinton lost all three of those states. that was donald trump's big surprise. and he was president, the blue wall states have mattered, have been decisive in the last two presidential elections when other way to look at it as this way, if you look at the vice president's path to 270 electoral votes, if she can hold those leads, this is where we all right now to 26 to 219, if she can hold those leads in wisconsin and in michigan, will look how close she is, right? her path, bam, if she can just

get pennsylvania that gets her there right there. so no path is easy, but that is her easiest path to 70 pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin. these polls show us she is less than a week to go so in play to possibly do that, what do we know when when were these polls taken? was this before the trump rally with the slurs against various groups? >> that's an important thing to note. the polls are several. they're taking several days ago and then you take a few days to process them. so events can change things. that's one of the things you're watching. it's also why we will say 100 times, don't ever invest in just one poll. if you averages are great polling team does the recent battleground state polls. it would show michigan, wisconsin a little bit closer than our polling. so you have the question shan, you did we catch a break her way or is it just are polls that got a little bigger lead and another one has a different and you average them out. but if you look in the weeds of these polls there some concerns for the vice president among black voters in pennsylvania and michigan. some good numbers for the vice president when you look at the suburbs. so again, don't invest in over one plus

days left. this does show her easiest path. go ahead. >> and just let let's just drill down on those numbers because among likely black voters in michigan, harris gets to 83% in pennsylvania, 76%. that's running behind biden in 2020 it is running and it's running significantly behind biden in 2020. now the harris campaign says it doesn't believe that's what's going to happen on election day. and in our travels, we see a lot of emphasis on early voting in the black community, including here in milwaukee today. but i'm showing you philadelphia right now, not just for the percentage. if you want to win, pennsylvania as a democrat, you need to do that, but not just the 80% look at the math. you need the high turnout, right? i blocked it out a little bit by scribbling too hard. but you see look at the big number there and they're joe biden wins the state by 80,000 votes. look at that giant margin in philadelphia. it is that margin in philadelphia, which is largely the black community that helps you offset all of that trump bread in the rural areas so that is a bit of a warning sign in pennsylvania and then if you come over again to michigan where we will be tomorrow, the detroit area, wayne county is obviously where the black turnout is huge. and

again, look not just at the percentage biden got, but the math, the size of the margin helps you win the state. again, the harris campaign thinks it won't be as bad as these numbers would say. but she's running stronger in the suburbs. she's running well among white non-college workers that's something they need to keep an eye on without a doubt. and it's a place where the trump campaign vows and promises. it will survive, it will surprise us come election day. >> yes, to that point, harris is running ahead of both biden and clinton with white non-college educated voters in wisconsin pulling in 43%. how crucial is that in wisconsin? >> well, you just mentioned where the former vice president is today. the former president, excuse me. so brown county is where green bay, wisconsin is, right? you see that on the map right here. you see his win over joe biden in 2020, right? you see 65,000 votes, 75,000 votes, or roughly 10,000 vote margin there, right? donald trump won the county. why am i focusing on? that margin? joe biden loses again, this state was decided by 20,000 votes, both times 2016 and 2020. joe biden lost that county by 10,000 votes, right? go back in time again. let me move this up

a little bit. sorry, i have to move to get to 2016 now, i'll come back when we come back over for you here. now you come back to wisconsin and you go to brown county again in 2016. what's the difference? look at the bigger margin, hillary clinton loses it by almost 14,000 votes. so the math matters even in places you are losing the margins matter. so if vice president harris is running close to biden's numbers with white non-college educated voters, that makes a difference in brown county, wisconsin, it makes a difference and luzerne county, pennsylvania, the margins within the margins, if you well, the small battlegrounds within the battleground states, if she can hold that number plus or suburban number just to work on the black voter number. but again, if you look in the weeds of these polls, if our poll is correct heading into the final days of the campaign, it does show, again, it's not easy. but the vice president's easiest path to victory. anderson is within striking distance. >> let me just ask you, i mean, do you who by polls, i mean, i do buy these numbers. i know i know. i mean, there's a lot of great people work on this and we'll work very hard on it. and i think there's just a lot of distrust and polls. do you

at by them? >> i don't invest in them. i use them for trajectory, right? so these, these potia, these potia, which, which way is the arrow bending and i study much more, wears the black vote, whereas the suburban vote, where's the college-educated vote? what are the subgroups tell me? and then you come out in the travel in the states and you talk to people and you show up the early voting sites and you see what happened. i will say this, this is one of the giant questions in both 2016 and 2020. i just said, these polls of relatively good news for the vice president united states. well, i want to add this caveat in both 2016 and 2020. we know that in the battleground states donald trump over over-performed his polling numbers in almost every poll they have it right this time? or will overperform again in the 28 2018 midterms, the democrats overperformed what

the poll said. i'm 2022, midterms, excuse me, and we know what happened happen then the democrats had a much better year than people anticipated. so i don't buy them in the sense that i think they're exactly right. you look at them for trajectory, which ways are going you studied beneath them, write your studied beneath them. so they're, they're a tool, they're not everything anderson. all right. >> john, we're going to talk to you later on for drill down and what you've seen in wisconsin today from the walking out and madison the harris events, you know, jeff zeleny is there for us. jeff, what can we expect to hear from vice president harris tonight to really take that closing argument on the road. >> we saw her deliberate last started washington in north carolina, pennsylvania, and expected to do so here in wisconsin, talking about seeking common ground, talking about trying to find common sense solution but it's a very fine line to walk because at the very same time she's also trying to draw a sharp contrast with donald trump. what she's trying to do is avoid talking about any of the controversy you've seen on cable news or

the former president taught me about those garbage comments. this is something that is not necessarily the on the minds of voters. so i'm told that vice president harris is going to continue to press the case, how she would be a president for all people, not simply those who vote for her but john, this is get out the vote time, perhaps you can hear the rally behind me. this is a concert. gracie adams is performing now, there'll be other performers this is a rally for the people who have voted that campaign that was more focused on those who have not all right. jeff zeleny, thanks very much. want to get perspective now from cnn political commentators, ashley allison, scott jennings, also, gretchen carlson, journalism co-founder of lift our voices ashley, i mean, i don't know what you think about these polls. interesting thing i mean, she seems to be this slightly uptake in these latest polls, whether that's real or not, how do you see the race right now? >> i don't i'm not a big believer in polls, even though when they say things that i like meaning that the person

that i think should win, kamala harris is up i haven't been in michigan and wisconsin in this cycle, but i wasn't pennsylvania and i wasn't north carolina. and i think the narrative a little bit, if you're on the internet and twitter, is that it's all trump country out there, like in the black community is very donald trump heavy. where just not seeing that the door knockers on that are going on canvases. >> you are canvassing in philadelphia? yes. yes. and what we're seeing is there are actually more undecided voters and i like to believe that they really are and the decision is am i actually going to go vote? but there are some voters, predominantly more white voters, who are saying, do i want to vote for kamala harris? they are not thinking about voting for donald trump, but they're thinking about maybe sending it out. and i think that that is what you might be picking up in these polls, even though i don't think it is telling i think she is has a fantastic ground game, right now that is trying to convert. and i was just got a report out

of arizona that they saw no operation for donald trump on the doors and converting voter. so this really is a turnout game. and the final thing i'll just say is because of the condensed timeline of her her candidacy, i think these last 56 days actually do matter. i think the rally in madison square garden does have an impact on people who were going to vote in-person. i think her performance on the eclipse, it does get people excited these new. there are so many new ads just dropping like at this point most ads or just package and repackage. but new content is dropping. and i think that is actually touching though some of those undecided voters. >> i think it's, you know, what is going to make people feel compelled? to go and vote on tuesday or to go and vote early tomorrow. and so i would agree with ashley on that sense of a feeling. so did they feel that watching her at the ellipse did they feel that hearing biden with the gaff for trump? i mean, we'll never know, but the one thing in the cnn polls that i thought was incredibly

interesting to your point, ashley was how many people are still well undecided. you have 6% in michigan, 6% in pennsylvania, 5% in wisconsin. that is much higher than i envisioned at this point in time. we're in the weeds in this every single day and so we hear from people who are, have decided a long time ago who they're voting for. but the idea that people are still making up their minds to my original point of feet healing. what is it going to be that's going to tip them over the edge and none of us know the answer to that. >> do you believe these polls? >> i think it's close. i mean, i've i've wondered if if all media outlets are just not taking any polls for the last six months, what will we do with all the money? we have an amazing christmas party, you know i mean, it's a tied race, it's tied nationally, it's tied in these swings states. i think some of these people who are undecided tell pollsters that because they want to have seem like they're discerning, but they have a gut feeling about how they feel about certainly donald trump. they may not have as much of a gut about kamala harris because she's come into the race, lesser known. i agree with actually, i think some people are deciding whether to vote at

all. i think for trump, it's this low propensity play, low-propensity men, people who have little engagement with the news, little engagement with our civic affairs in this country. maybe they never vote, maybe they only voted once or twice in their lives getting them out is obviously vital and for harris, she has her own cohort of voters that are in the same like people who need to be given a vibe about this. this is going to manifestly impact my life if i don't get out and do this, i think ultimately at the end of the race, i agree with gretchen. there is something about these events and the news cycles that give you a certain kind of energy or a vibe about a campaign. i'll just say republicans feel confident. some people are taking it as an article of faith that he will overperform because he did in the last two elections, i would just caution everyone to say, you don't know that he might but you don't you don't really know that you cannot take that to the bank. so if you're expecting that on election night, just know it's not something you can necessarily bank, can i have a theory on why there are so many? >> and decided voters?

>> i think that for so long people did not want donald trump and joe biden rematch that when the ticket flip, people just have thank god, i don't have to do that again. >> and they just stopped paying attention. now in this very short stretch, it kind of worked to kamala harris favor because it gave her some time to get her footing, but i actually think that's why so many people are still having this question mark because think about it. most, like most of the time at this point, you would have been hearing from this person for a year one other quick thing i want to say that's not a poll, but actual hard numbers and that is in the battleground states there's a ten-point gender gap, yes. >> now, with women and men, meaning there's more women by far coming out to vote early in the battleground states than men that's a hard and fast number. we don't know how they're voting, but i think that's significant. >> foreign prison does seem to be laying the groundwork to contest the results. it's certainly in pennsylvania. he post on social media saying pennsylvania is cheating and getting caught at large scale levels rarely seen before. i mean, his rarely seen before is like a verbal tic for him. he

said report cheating to authorities. law enforcement must act now what is he referring to? >> there is a story in lancaster county in pennsylvania about fraudulent voter registrations that there is an active and ongoing investigation into some fraudulent voter registration activity. so some people have picked up on this. i would just say from my part i am i have all the confidence in the world we're going to have a free fair, and honest election in this country i strongly believe in the diffuse nature of our elections local volunteers, local clerks, secretaries of state, no one central controlling authority. i think it's what makes american elections unique and very, very secure. so i have a lot of confidence in the american election system. >> all let's move on much more ahead tonight, coming up, obamacare millions count on it for healthcare, the foreign president said there's only debate he has concepts well plan to replace it tonight though. video of house speaker mike johnson promising to try to do just that in a second trump term also, john king comes back, but there's 35 stops this week all over the

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sandwich. >> it's meet between bread. >> no, it's more like a taco. my weigh in on this debate. >> jake tapper is a sandwich, always two pieces of bread if yes, then a hot dog is not a sandwich. but the department of agriculture defined sandwiches as meat between bread or a bond, which i suppose would include burgers, hello, burgers. >> now that's a sandwich. >> no way what happened and mr. everything's a sandwich kind of flip-flopping on flip-flopping what about subs? >> you mean hoagies tonight? >> house speaker mike johnson appears to be doing cleanup after being caught on camera, promising to do precisely what donald trump recently promised not to do. namely end the affordable care act, health policy, or balm makary you remember was a major driver of voters to the polls in 2018, 2020, and 2022, the affordable care act on popular when it began now no longer is back in april in a video on social media, the foreign president said he's quote, not running to terminate the aca. instead, he promised to quote, make it

much better, much stronger, even though he tried to eliminate it for many, many years, his entire administration today, those cnn obtained video taken on monday to trump volunteer for office in bethlehem, pennsylvania of house speaker johnson saying this you health care reform is going to be part of the agenda. >> when i say we're gonna have a very aggressive first hundred days agenda, we gotta nauta thinks that on the table, no obamacare no more obamacare. >> he said last month, the treasury department reported that nearly 50 million americans have been covered by it over the last ten years. well, tonight speaker johnson said in a statement, quote, despite the dishonest characterization from the harris campaign, the audio and transcript make clear that i offer no such promise to end obamacare. and in fact, acknowledged that the policies deal billy ingrained in our health care system. the trump campaign offered a shorter version saying quote, repealing obamacare is not president trump's policy position. back now with the panel, does it make sense with less than a week to go that he would be saying these things or i mean,

it clearly he he was just going along with what somebody shout it out. >> no, i don't think he's just going along with it i'm not saying he believed but, you know, i think he probably i don't know why in this day and age you wouldn't think there's always a camera on you with cell phones and whatnot, but i think he does want to repeal obamacare. i think we saw 60, 61 times. they tried to repeal obamacare. i just a couple of points here one, this is why people question the consistency of donald trump and the inconsistency of donald trump when he says, oh, i went and sign a national abortion ban is because the people that you said at a rally that you have some big old plan to mike johnson about what you're what you have in store when you win the election. so what does that plan is no moral bomber care like speaker johnson said, it's why when people connect donald trump to project 2025 and they say, oh, his hands aren't all on it is because they do want to get rid of health care and project 2020 we should point out that don't trump ran in 2016 in on eliminating obamacare. i

remember an endless interviews. he was like day one, eliminated and within the hour, yes. my plan is going to be in place and it's going to be better. and obama is it's great. >> obamacare people love obamacare. it's not perfect. it's not perfect. it's not perfect. but many, many more americans have obamacare and that is why john mccain did the infamous, no, i'm not voting for it because he knew also knew his constituents like obamacare ship, the ship has clearly sailed on repealing it. >> and johnson made that clear. it's ingrained in our system. but what what must be done? and i think what the republicans are going to focus on, its prices. i mean, people feel like they're paying more and more and more for insurance and getting less and less coverage. so that is what they want to deal with. i think they're extremely concerned about transparency. nobody knows exactly what's in these medical bills. you get. also, i talked to a senior member of the house republican conference tonight is frankly involved in policymaking on health care. he said, right out of the gate, we will not do anything to jeopardize pre-existing conditions. so when i hear

that, what i hear is republicans understand the political contours in which they're operating and they're going to act accordingly, but they will not ignore the fact that prices have gone up and coverage has gotten worse 4 millions upon millions of why if they were running on this in 2016. and i mean, this was this was widely talked about this this was target number one. >> well, why why did i give up trying to dunk a basketball? in my driveway? because you know, you try so many times and fall on your face. he move on to that. you'll either for lower the goal or you start shooting. was one. john mccain that there was not an overhaul about this several years ago. >> what i see in this whole thing is donald trump called the speaker of the house and said, what are you talking about? because this was not supposed to come up in the last couple of days, something that would be opposed by millions of americans essentially to me, it has not gotten more attention, frankly. i mean, it's a pretty it seems to me a pretty huge

thing that he sort of let this amine, he just said out loud, yeah, no more. >> there are no plans and donald trump in the debate, you didn't have any plans in the debates that there were concept said. he said he had concepts of a plan. >> well, there are things that republicans have been looking into in the house, streamlining middlemen in the system pbm reform, for example, again, this transparency thing is a big deal to republicans, but the overall goal, and i would think both parties would agree on this is how can the price keep going up? but people continue to feel like they're getting less and less coverage. that's not true. if you already are on medicaid or something, you're getting it for free, but for people who pay premiums, who continuously feel like their coverage is getting worse, something should be done in the next party, whoever is in the majority is going to be a slim majority should do something about that. >> i just want to draw the contrast that the biden administration, they kept the price of insulin they negotiated prescription can draw a cause commonly, harris has rolled out what her plans would be. it's again, the contrast is that he said what he said no more obamacare,

like, you can. i don't like to put words on people's mouths because because the knock on her has been from republicans has been she has no plans, right. where does she has rolled out plans on this? >> and what's the plan? the status quo. i mean he talks about expanding coverage for most of them don't have coverage. she talked about not just doing negotiating prescription drug prices under medicare, but expanding on all prescription drug prices, she was premiums, premiums are going up people feel like they're getting less coverage. that to me if i were if i were a health care focus voter and i were looking at my premiums going up all the time and feeling like it doesn't even feel like i have insurance at all. >> i'd be looking for one of these two parties zone from talking about that no. >> no. >> it's not it's not hard. >> he's got this is new. i hear great with mike johnson. >> look, i will tell you this and house races across the country. i am certain that candidate mike johnson wants to do that, but mike johnson said no. more bomb. >> well, no, i think what he was my understanding is what he

was saying is no more. we're not going to beat repealing obamacare because it's too ingrained. we have to do massive reforms because we're not happy with no more attempts to repeal obamacare does not know like he knew the u.s. been. so might look, the house of representatives is going to be a narrow majority one way or the other. >> how much controversial stuff do you think either party is going to be able to create i think there's any important things scott said tonight from his source on the hill is that they're not going to change pre-existing conditions let's take it down to what's the most popular thing about obamacare is that people got coverage and for longer period of time with their children? yes, that is what they are most concerned about. and yes, drug prices and care for the elderly and all of that falls way below that the inflation crisis in this country that we've had for the last four years hit health care almost worse than anything. >> people know what people feel it. whoever's in the majority and whoever is in the white house, if they don't tackle this, it's a political i agree with you. >> i just don't i just really don't think health care is a winning issue that republicans should be bringing up the week

before the election, especially when you say no more obamacare, that ad, right? itself. >> i was actually i was thinking you do encourage them to be bringing bringing it up with her. i. >> give free advice. okay scott jennings. >> thank you. gretchen carlson as well coming up, john king returns with more on what voters and wisconsin are saying about the racist part of his all over the map series that's next an election like no other and it all comes down to this we can now make a major projection. the way only cnn can do you election night in america. special coverage begins tuesday, november 5. it for on cnn. >> what you talk about the news sports a little family, gaza, maybe you don't do that, right? >> here's another topic for you as they get older, their risk of gun hitting really sick from a respiratory virus like flu, covid-19 or rsv goes up a lot so talk to them about getting the season vaccines because

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earlier, john is in wisconsin, he's visiting five battleground states and five days. it's part of his all over the map series examines the election through the experiences of key voting blocs in the states. here's what he saw in wisconsin critical dividing line in battleground, startup. >> your morning jolt here, prepared by a robot adrian dc is the founder and ceo. >> this is all of the robotics he grew up in a democratic household, voted twice for barak obama, moved to the milwaukee suburbs a decade ago. >> toppings cold foams, a self-described moderate, ready to vote a third time for donald trump. >> i just see that donald trump from business-minded standpoint, from a, let's make a deal standpoint and from an economics financing perspective, i think he's got the right mindset for how the country should be run, how to

support small and medium-sized business does are there are downsides to him in your view, does he have some character are personality things that go on for shrimp, but i have say, you have to separate the message from the messenger some time trump won suburban waukesha county in both 2016 and 2020, but his margin was smaller. the second time in wisconsin, flip back to blue. dz believes trump is stronger this time, i would say over the last say, six to 12 months, definitely a large trump bump if you want to call it that walker shaw is a key test of whether trump can reverse his suburban slide. >> and across the county line in milwaukee a pivotal test for kamala harris to this is the trickle be cafe on milwaukee's north northside. pay what you can is the motto here, we found a lot of apathy on our first visit to these predominantly black neighborhoods a year ago, chef s60 accord and he says the switch to harris ended that you got somebody was younger. you have some familiars and gender an agenda he does relatable. you know, you get somebody who

understands the issues according. >> here's talk more black men for trump this time. she doesn't believe it's a big number, and i've heard what it is that people have said. i've heard people talk about the fact that she's been prosecutor and she's put black man in jail and things like that well, you have to look at that closer. >> i know if you've done a crack, you know, certain go to jail and there's nothing that shows that she hasn't track record of targeting blacks and put them in jail. this line for early voting is in sherman park, one of the north side neighborhoods where harris needs high turnout. and giant margins. >> what i'm seeing right now any fizzy asm and excitement this evening? then when obama won mentioned in your story, i mean, you've been visiting wisconsin over the past. >> you're talking to voters there. how have you seen an evolution? >> enormous evolution. let's start anderson, come back to the mini magic wall. let start in milwaukee for first piece we aired, i can remember being in studio with you a year ago saying, wow, we are canvassing

with democrats in milwaukee here. it's so critical for the democrats to run it up big in milwaukee, you see the biden, joe biden, the margin. joe biden had. we're going door to door democratic canvases and older black women were saying they weren't sure they were going to vote this time, biden was still the candidate that they thought it didn't matter the apathy and the black community was amazing. that is gone, that has gone, we dropped by an early voting site today, you heard the voter in our piece. there's a lot of energy, enthusiasm. can donald trump cut into it? some will see come election day, but that has changed the race. the democratic base has energized and fighting it. so that's question number one. and then question number two, you saw has had to walk a county here in the suburbs. you heard our voter, they're saying he thinks trump will do better. i think that is the defining question. if harris she's in dane county tonight, madison can run it up there, run it up in milwaukee county where i am tonight, then it comes down the places like walkers shaw? yes, it's trump red, right? nearly 60%. but what is harris, his margin out there again, first presidential election post the dobbs decision, the harris campaign thinks it's vote numbers in the suburbs are going to be at least as good as biden's, if not a little

better. that's the key test. if she can have a margin like this in waukesha and do well in milwaukee, then she's on her way and how critical for both candidates is wisconsin to the path to 70 you bring it up right now and again, you'll look, we're in the final days here, right? >> this is this is my tenth presidential campaign. this is extraordinary, seven battleground states, no clear leader really in any of them. when you average the polls, maybe harris in our new poll, just outside the margin in michigan and wisconsin. but look how close this is, right? let's come back here. this is where we are. i'm sorry. i had them shade of blue from our last segment, seven. battleground states, those are the yellow states right there. wisconsin. harris can win wisconsin. these three have voted together since 2000 if all three of them both together, she's the next president united states, unless she loses some solid blue state, which is unlikely. that's how important it is to harris doubt if you go back to 2016, remember anderson, these were the states the blue wall states, if they stayed together again and they went for donald trump

knocking on the door. he would still have to win somewhere else. so you have to win somewhere big like north carolina or georgia, or the two of those out there to do that. so the blue wall states because they tend to vote together, we'll see maybe there'll be a split this time. but because they voted together in all three since 2000, that's why they campaigns are putting so much money into them because of the math, you have, the three of them together, including pennsylvania, the biggest prize at 19. that's again, none of the paths are easy, but that's the easiest path to 270 when wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania. and if you're trump than pick up one more and you're going to michigan tomorrow. >> what are you looking for there? >> same idea. you saw the democratic derek. how can democrats do with black voters in detroit? can harris run strong in mccomb county which trump is likely to win. but we talked about the polling earlier, non-college white voters. how does she do there? so i'll come back to the other map just to take quickly give you a look here. michigan again, they all vote together. so you come back to michigan, come over here in 2020, right?

look at mccomb county. i want to bring it up, wayne wayne county here. and you move up to a comb county. this is where my first campaign i love going back here because this is where michael dukakis road, the tank. so it's a great campaign memory. the first time there we go, finally comes up there. greg see them memory for you, not so much for dukakis now for dukakis was my introduction to america and how counties can surprise you. >> but mccomb county was mccomb county was blue back then. this is how the map has changed over those ten campaigns. that was blue union workers, blue-collar workers voted for democrats, said trump has changed the republican party and change the electoral map in some ways is that is trended over. so i'm really interested how can kamala harris do in mccomb county, hillary clinton didn't do as well as joe biden. she lost michigan if harris can be somewhere around biden's numbers, she can win michigan. so each of these states, the math is the harris coalition is really complicated. the math trump is the constant. harris is the variable in this race to me, trump is the constant three elections in a row with the same candidate leading the republican ticket never happened in my lifetime. so we can judge him on his past two

performances, which is why i love going to the battleground states and just testing it out. >> alright we'll see you in michigan tomorrow. john king. thanks so much. wisconsin looms large in part because in 2016, hillary clinton became the first democratic presidential nominee and 32 years to lose the state. she never visited during her general election campaign by comparison, seen estimates vice president harris and stop in wisconsin eight times, including tonight, that she held her first rally as a presidential candidate in milwaukee back in july, joining us now 2016 clinton campaign manager, robby mook, robin. what do you make of how the harris campaign is approaching wisconsin hard as they possibly can to win it, which i think is the only way to approach it. >> as you mentioned in 2016, we barely lost in 2020 biden barely won. it's the state we've seen again and again where the polling has been the most off and where trump is overperformed the polls the most. so i think i almost you were sort of mentioning his other eye, disregard the polls

there completely i think the only way to run there is like your 20 points behind and work as hard as you can. and that's exactly what we're seeing her do tonight. what we've seen the campaign do the entire time, jim, in this industry, you ran that campaign? can you disregard you're shaking disregard polls in wisconsin. do you do is that kind of your rule for right now this state of the race for all these battleground states have disregarding the numbers yeah, it is anderson it's i mean, john king was just saying how remarkable this race is. >> i don't think we've ever had a situation like this where every saint can go battleground state is not just within the margin of error, but most of the averages i'm seeing either candidate is up or down by a point so this, this could go any which way. and as john was also demonstrating, what one state moves into somebody's category from the others. and the math gets really really tight, really fast and so all these states matter a lot. and obviously pennsylvania's special, it has the most

electoral votes of any of these. but you take wisconsin out, you take michigan, out, you take any state out that biden won in 2020 and the path gets easier and easier for trump's. so that's why we just can't take any these for granted. and i think we have to absolutely ignore the polls for this final week. >> what do you make of speaker mike johnson pledging to get rid of obamacare if trump is elected, i mean, trump has said he's not going to do that. johnson is now trying to say he didn't say what he said i mean do. you do you think that is something that he would go out >> i mean, they tried they were so dysfunctional in 2017. they they couldn't even repeal it because it because it is so it is so popular and it was so popular that so my guess is they'll fail again, but they're absolutely determined to repeal obamacare to take away every woman in america's right to reproductive health they want to they want to do everything they can to advance

climate change giveaway, big tax breaks to the oil companies, give more tax breaks to the wealthiest people. just look at what they've done. that's what they're going to do. absolutely. it's a stupid thing to bring up the week before the election, but trump also did a really stupid thing at madison square garden earlier this week and people should listen to what they're saying because it is exactly what they're gonna do when they get into office. hopefully they won't. but if they do, it's what they'll do given your experience, what do you look for in these closing? i mean, just from the outside now, what do you what are you watching for >> anderson, it's a cliche to talk about while now turnouts, the most important thing. but because every state is literally tied turnout absolutely makes a difference. the little things become big so the efforts by the campaigns in these last few days to turn people out absolutely. could be the margin of error and i would say to anybody, i assume most of the listeners here have made up their minds and many of them

are probably active in campaigns. don't pay attention to the early votes statistics we've absolutely no benchmark to judge what's happening by twenty-twenty was such a special cycle. many of the laws have changed at this point. we just everything's a tie go work as hard as you can because these little things are absolutely going to matter. >> rob him luck, thanks so much. appreciate it coming up. our donie o'sullivan goes through the looking glass, spends a day absorbing news about the selection from the maga media the universe political analysis you have questions biden said, the right both stayed away why did front pull out of 60 minutes? >> i love bullying no network of i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn protect your family by-line back now. >> thank you that was over ten years ago. now, life back is responsible oh, for saving over 2000 lives from choking in the time it takes you to pick up the phone and call another lives could be saved. >> the life act saved my life

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