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garbage truck. >> let's our kfile obtains robo calls urging democrats to vote for jill stein but stein is not the one actually involved with the calls to actually republicans and ted cruz be on his way out, obama making a call the man democrats hope will be crews once and for all. let's go outfront >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. the breaking use harris and trump both right now holding rallies in wisconsin, it crucial swing-state brand new cnn polling this hour showing bright spot it's for harris in the democrats consider to be that blue wall and that includes states like wisconsin. but the polls show it not just in wisconsin, also in michigan and wisconsin tonight in our poll harris is up six points, 51 to 45 margin of error five, but still a six-point game margin there in michigan, harris is also leading trump. that if five point margin 48, 43. now
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obviously those will very good for harris. and if that's the world we're looking at, it could be very significant. it still though, can all come down to pennsylvania. and in that state, our poll has the two candidates tied, harris and trump tied at 48 it is considered to be a must-win state certainly for trump probably for harris. they know it. trump already stoking fears of voter fraud in the state today, posting on social media, pennsylvania's cheating and getting caught at large scale levels rarely seen before. now of course, there is no evidence to support that there's been no evidence of any large-scale cheating, and they have been looking into ally and after allegation after allegation, their investigations in two counties of potential issues with voter registration applications. one county saying they're looking at 2,500 registration forms pennsylvania republican secretary of state told me he looked into that and they're getting to the bottom of it and they know exactly the extent of it. there's nothing more there and he said this today there is no evidence of
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anything indicating any sort of widespread voter fraud or if at all and i think it's important that our county partners always be vigilant now, they caught the issue before a fraudulent ballot was even cast, right? >> so this was on registrations, so there was no fraudulent ballot cast at all in that case. the point is, they've been looking at every one of these immediately. and so far? no no fraud has gotten through. trump is also trying to capitalize off a comment made by president biden in the hopes so this will help him move the needle. here's what biden said reporter rico, where i'm in my home state of delaware. >> they're good, decent, honorable people. the only garbage i see floating out there is his supporters his, his demonization citizen unconscionable and it's un-american now, biden later said that he was talking about a specific trump's supporter, one who said this at trump's madison square garden rally i
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don't know if you guys know this, but there's literally a floating island of garbage in the middle of the ocean right now. >> yeah i think it's called puerto rico all right. >> trump though, is saying that biden is talking about all of trump's supporters and kamala really think of our supporters. >> he called them garbage when it comes to using the word garbage in this election, because this is the way it is now people for the word garbage around talking about people in elections trump, not the comedian led the way we're like a garbage can we're like a garbage catch. we're like a garbage can for the rest of the world it was trump who used the word garbage first. >> and he is not ashamed of it.
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he has certainly never apologize or tried to clean it up. he keeps saying it. he owns it. it's all just enough. right. i mean, which may be part of why for president, former republican governor of california, an action movie hero, arnold schwarzenegger spoke out today. he posted to someone like me who talks to people all over the world and still knows america is the shining city on a hill calling america trash can for the world is so unpatriotic, it makes me furious. i will always be an american before i'm a republican. that's why this week i am voting for kamala harris and tim walz. i want to move forward as a country. and even though i have plenty of disagreements with their platform, i think the only the way to do that is with harris and walz had not of course, explicitly endorsed a prior to this in the last election, we have our reporters across wisconsin tonight. as i said, where both trump and harris are making this final pitch in a state that obviously both still think they can win. let's go to jeff zeleny in madison first at the harris route play. so jeff, what is the mood there and the feeling in that room
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mood here at this rally elie is one of excitement it's one of optimism. you can perhaps hear the cheering behind me. it's also a concert. this is a get out, the vote rally. but the harris campaign it is more focused on the people who are not in this room. >> and here's why wisconsin has until sunday to cast early ballots. >> there are some concern from democrats that some of their levels from four years ago have not been reached even though 1 million of voters here more than 1 million have already cast their ballots. but this is a gift out. the vote rally in deep-blue dane county, that of course is home to madison home to the university of wisconsin at madison and harris is going to run up her margins in the he's areas where she knows she needs them for all the controversy over the garbage comments for all the back-and-forth over what president biden said, what vice is there an harris, his response was, the reality is voters we talked to here are not following that this is a
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base election at this point to a large degree the harris campaign is trying to execute on their ground game, trying to get out their voters and particularly focusing on voters here in the blue areas, but also so in the suburbs around the state. >> this is something that the in her closing message from that i'm told she will be trying to extend that rant saying she will be the president for all people, whether they voted for her or not. >> but she will need many votes here and wisconsin and the blue wall is key. you'll remember this the tightest margin of all the blue wall states. just four years ago thank you very much, jeff. >> so now let's go to kristen holmes. she is in green bay at the trump rally and kristen so same question to you. similar picture behind you of the room. but what is the mood like there? >> well, the mood like a year is very exciting now, would you be surprised that just moments ago on the campaign trail we saw donald trump sitting in a garbage struck, taking
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questions because that is what we just witnessed about it. ten minutes ago while his campaign tries to seize on these comments that president joe biden made. this has really been given an opportunity to the former president and to his campaign to seize on. remember what we've been talking about for the last three dave, is those racist, vile comments that were made by the canadian ahead of his madison square garden rally. they believe this is an opportunity to change the narrative and they are going to seize it as many times as they possibly can. hence, donald trump's sitting in the passenger seat a garbage truck, taken questions. they believe that comments like this actually motivate the base and there is some reasoning for that. they are hearkening back to 2016 when hillary clinton called trump supporters hey basket of deplorables. they believe that helped push people out to the polls on november. i november then they believe that it will help push people out to the polls in november. now, they are really trying to milk this for every opportunity that
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they can to double down on this sides. yeah, that not only did president joe biden say it is, but it's also the thinking of vice president kamala harris. now, as you said, donald trump has not shied away from attacking democrats multiple times on the campaign trail. he's called them the enemy within. he has called them names. >> but again, that what they're doing now is trying to motivate voters twitter is by using this language, by repeating these remarks to bring them out to the bowls. >> we'll see if it works. >> alright. kristen, thank you very much. in green bay and everyone is out with me now andrew yang, let me start with you. of course, independent. you've got your forward for a party thing on, but i know you're voting for harris, right? you've made that clear. so harris up six points in it's consonant our poll five point margin of error. but nonetheless, this is the way these have been trending in many different polls in the swing states. do you think the margin really could be that big i think it's going to be tight certainly everything i'm seeing says it's going to go down to the wire. >> i thought the arnold schwarzenegger endorsement today was a very, very powerful
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signal to the independent and then around the country, if i were commonly harris and her team, i would call at lisa murkowski, who has already endorsed a democrat in alaska chris christie, mitt romney, the republicans who have shown a very, very sharp distaste for donald trump because if you managed to get one or more schwarzenegger type figures on board, it's a permission structure for a lot of folks in the middle who are looking for an alternative to try and many of them. >> and i think even the harris campaign would say this those are the people who are waiting until the end there are people who just just just don't you know, they, they, they, they don't want trump, they don't like keras and they're waiting until they walk, right? right? >> shermichael, pennsylvania is polling, right. and that one is tyzik, be trump today says there's large scale cheating in the state as i laid out that republicans, secretary of state, i was talking to him the other day today, came out, said that is false do you get upset that trump is talking like this and we look as a strategist, you want the principle of the
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focus on the message. the message the gist, the economy, the message is immigration and the message is foreign policy i think on those points, the former president is incredibly strong. and so from a discipline perspective, you're wanting to say to some of those voters that you just mentioned, andrew, those folks in the middle who are maybe they're on the fence because there are some things about trump. maybe they don't like, but the policy is a man i liked this guy on the policies. he gets his critique because accurate, but i don't want the other stuff where you want to get those folks to turn out for you. and i think the only way to do that is to keep reminding them of the problem. and then provide a solution to the problem in all of the other things, don't necessarily accomplish that goal so lulu, with trump already saying there is fraud and coming out and talking about it i mean, what does that signal? >> does that signal that he's worried he's losing and he's already trying to lay the groundwork it signals a few things. >> first of all, that the polls were very tight and he may lose. so he is laying the groundwork as you suggest secondly, what he's also doing is doing what trump always does, which is i'm sure that
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the election will be completely legitimate if he wins and it will be completely illegitimate if he loses and we have seen this over and over again. it started in 2016. it happened in 2020, and he is laying the groundwork apparently for this now, this is something that he doesn't even believe and says because if he does not believe that he lost the 2020 election, this has been a mainstay of his messaging and we are seeing this now. of course, what does that actually mean? it means that definitely this is going to get litigious. the question is, is it also going to get violent? and that's the fear. i think that's why so many people around this country, there's an anxiety out there, right? i mean, anybody watching feel it. we all feel it right. there's a nervousness about what's going to happen no matter what the outcome is, people are afraid trump has been seizing on biden in the use of the word garbage, which is i laid out was put into the political lexicon by donald j. trump. but now here we are and trump is seizing on it and saying, oh, well, you've got to talk to everybody. been he said, this my response to joe
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and kamala is very simple. you can't lead america if you don't love americans you hate the american people. and there's a lot of hatred i just want to be clear. >> this is from a person who has repeatedly not just said things about trash can of the world, which was referring to immigrants coming to us, but has said this about americans who happened to be democrats we have more of an enemy from within know we do from outside. >> we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists, and the radical left thugs that live like vermin within the confines of our country those two sound bites. does that move people or no but look, i don't think many voters buy that joe biden it's
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actually referring to have the country as garbage people know that joe biden is 81-year-old who tends to garbiela message and that's why he's not the nominee anymore, but the republican polite. >> about it, but the republican party is grasping at it because they want to turn the page on the rhetoric that offended puerto ricans and there happen to be 450,000 puerto rican in pennsylvania so that this is purely a political device. i don't think it sticks because everyone knows who joe is and what this was a lulu on this biden insiders are saying, well, he didn't mean it right? >> that all trump's supporters are garbage because they say, look at how he's treated trump supporters, right we'll get out of the rhetoric here and get into the reality. i mean, remember the moment when biden put on that maga hat, even after the man that handed him the had had mocked biden basically for saying he might not remember his own name. right. so it started with a mocking incident and then this happened
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comment regardless of the political fight over it though lulu does it fall on fertile ground with voters or do people see that joe biden i'm going to put on a maga hat. >> i think a lot of people gasp when they saw it. >> he did it i mean, i think it's a rorschach test, right where it's actually useful for the trump campaign is trying to get their people to the polls you know, he talks a lot about grievance. the idea that joe biden hates them feeds into that. but ultimately, this was a gaffe and it wasn't only the campaign an insiders that have talked about this. i mean, joe biden went out himself on social media and said that this was not what he meant unlike donald trump, who really never
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walked back. some of those comments those quote, unquote jokes made in new york. and so these are very different things in my view. ultimately though the reality is that a woman is going to have to clean up after a man kamala harris is having to clean up after joe biden, it was very, very unfortunate mistake. she was on a roll. they had a message and democrats are not happy and nor should they be a gift on a silver platter for the current president, which is why he's not out there campaigning for the vice president. this reminds me of hillary clinton's basket of deplorables or president obama as they cling to their guns and they're bibles, there are a lot of people who are turned off and insulted by that type of language because they do perceive people who live in big cities on the east coast with their fancy degrees making a kind of money, looking down upon them because they prefer a different type of lifestyle. and so this does give the trump campaign an opportunity to energize that base to again,
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reach out to some of those low propensity voters who will fit in to those categories in terms of voter profile and say they're talking about you, they don't respect you, they don't respect the type of work you do in your fight hi there. i'm your guy and i think it's going to be effective. >> and getting in the garbage truck and smart objects or they're going to beat the drum for as long as they can to try to distract from the comedian's earlier comments all right, well, thank you all very much. and we do now have and we've just obtained some new robocalls, kfile has them urged voters to back. jill stein and not kamala harris. well, the calls actually don't come from jill stein. they actually come from republicans, but you would never know it if you saved one kfile is outfront, will get to hear them for yourself and could ted cruz lose his democratic opponent is within striking distance and knocking him for that infamous trip to cancun relying on him when the lights
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special coverage begin tuesday, november 5. >> it four on cnn tonight. >> both for jill stein. that's what they are saying on a robocall that our kfile has obtained. now these robo calls do not come from jill stein. they come from republicans, but they are targeting democrats in michigan and wisconsin, telling them to vote for stein instead of harris hi, this is jennifer with badger values. there is only one candidate for
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president who will fight for our planet, support a real green new deal and ban fracking. and it's not kamala harris, it's jill stein all right. >> now, are poll today shows stein with one to 2% of the vote in michigan and wisconsin. now that's a margin that could decide the race as hillary clinton learned in los, the change of course, history, kfile's andrew kaczynski is here with me now. so one to 2%, i think the hillary clinton point makes the mix clear to people that can mean a win or loss. so this really matters. but this wasn't the only robo call, the one that we just played that you obtain what else are they putting out there? >> yeah. that's right. this wasn't the only robocall they're sending a lot of these robocalls, thousands by our count, trying to peel off votes from kamala harris, trying to boost jill stein. and now how are they trying to do it? well, there so letting something that i think we highlighted a couple of weeks ago on the show, which is commonly harris is shifting position on energy that's one of them. they note that she used to be anti fracking. they say now that she's pro fracking and they're also attacking her over the biden administration' s position on israel. take a
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listen to this there's only one candidate for president who recognizes the ongoing genocide in gaza. and it's not kamala harris, it is jill stein. jill stein knows the world needs peace and is committed to ending our involvement in foreign wars. sadly, kamala harris has pledged to stand with israel until the end while they continue to slaughter in gaza. if you agree that we need to work for a free palestine and peace in the middle east, please vote for jill stein on or before november 5 so how much are they spending on these? well, first off, that ad, by the way, they're running a couple of those. one of those is targeting voters specifically in michigan and we know that's going to be a huge issue there by some of those voters who aren't voting. how much are they? how much are they spending on this while they're spending a lot of money this group more than $1 according to the latest filings from them in just the last 11 days. take a look at the numbers here the amount of money they have spent opposing harris, that's going upwards
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of almost a half million dollars us according stein is $396,000 and then in support of trump, $307,000. so that's 1 days. >> i mean, it's incredible. now, i'm thinking back to when democrats were putting money and democratic backed groups putting money to support maga candidates against moderate republicans and some of the primaries because they thought it would be easy to run against the maga candidate. so this kind of, you know supporting somebody. you don't like to try to get the outcome. you do like there's been other things similar to that, but this is actual robo calls, calling in. i mean, and jill stein is not affiliated with it. obviously even though theoretically she benefits from it, are there any laws to prevent groups from doing this? >> no. this this is totally legal. and what's interesting about this effort is all right, you know, you just mentioned the democrats usually these groups, they kind of pick a lane are right there. usually it's republicans are
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pretending to be pro jill stein this group is also sending out calls telling people to vote for trump at the same time. there are backing stein and they're backing trump, so they're not even doing the whole pretend these calls some of them are targeting rfk the junior voters. they are telling reminding rfk's you rfk jr. voters that he's endorsed trump listened to one right here i'm calling to remind you that rfk jr. has proudly endorsed donald trump for president. >> rfk said he is supporting president trump because trump will end forever. wars protect our civil liberties and make america healthy again, rfk jr. knows how much is at stake in this election. that's why he stepped aside and endorsed president trump, please join rfk jr. in voting for donald trump on or before november 5, and look rfk jr. he's still polling in some of these polls
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and some of these state polls, one or 2%. so really, any amount here could i mean, we talked about how close those races were in 2016 and 2020. any amount here could really actually make one or 2% would absolutely. i mean, that would be well outside the margin of victory and so many of these places. and if you've got one or two for stein and one or two for rfk. i mean, it is incredible this moment. all right. thank you so much. andrew kaczynski of kfile next, barack obama jumping into boost the democrat who could take down ted cruz i just wanted to let you know, i could not be prouder of it and a democratic pollster inside the harris campaign says some momentum is shifting for harris among black voters, making a bold prediction tonight will be outfront decorated each have ran, have blue that's a really tough call for you. >> that's john king from cnn. >> let's look at the data.
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wow, well, could this be the year a democrat could unseat cruz, ed lavendera is on the ground outfront the linebacker and the debater are spending the final days of the texas senate campaign unleashing a barrage of zingers that everything is bigger in texas. >> but ted cruz is too small. oh protect i looked at katola harris and collin all read part in with their celebrity friends with beyond say, with willie nelson. i got to say the whole thing seem like a p diddy party ted cruz is bound for a third term as senator. but once again finds himself in a close race, at least by texas standards, a recent new york times-sienna college poll shows crews with a slim four point edge against colin allred, the democrats quest to break through in texas has been as elusive as charlie brown's quest to kick that football
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victory away for 30 years, calling all all-red wasn't a kicker, but he is a former nfl linebacker, turned civil rights attorney, who flipped the gop house seat six years ago his campaign has been squarely focused on attacking cruz especially for fleeing the state to mexico during an epic ice storm. >> and 30 million texans who are relying on him when the lights went out here, decided to go to camp i'll tell you what if you did and your ran for office again, you've got to lose your job democrats have spent more than 108 million on ads in the race mostly focused on abortion ban. >> that's gone way too far. >> all red organizes events highlighting stories of women impacted by the state's new abortion law one of the most restrictive in the country. >> you can't tell me your pro-life when women are dying at a record rate, you are so small that you think you can tell texas women what to do with their bodies? then you have got to lose your job. >> this is a battle between
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sane and crazy ted cruz is on the final leg of a bus tour of texas. >> in campaign speech she is he doesn't talk about abortion. he delivers a heavy dose of immigration and border security talk. >> it is a full-on invasion, while republicans have spent about $68 million on advertising, much of that messaging is focused on transgender issues and sports. >> he voted against the protection of women and girls in sports act, what we are living in a world where one of our two major political parties can no longer figure out what is a woman question how an all-red swirled don't our daughters have any rights while the transgender issue is popular among republicans, cohen all red says cruz is trying to avoid the broader issue of abortion. >> ted cruz's desperate desperate to not talk about what he's actually done to folks at the state.
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need to understand that and hold them out of one selection. >> so ed, you know, it's just fascinating. we're having this conversation, right? i mean, ted cruz's seat had not been up as an issue, and there's a real wild card this year in texas, you've got a staggering number of new voters that have come into the state. so how does that come into play right where we should be clear, it's still an uphill fight for colin. >> all right. democrats have been hoping to turns texas blew for as long as i can remember. but what is interesting this time around that since 2018 when ted cruz was last reelected, there have been 2.8 million new voters added to the voting rolls here in texas so since a staggering number. so real, real question is, what exactly, who exactly are those voters? how are they going to turn out and which direction are they going to turn out? other? republicans like governor greg abbott and senator john cornyn, have comfortably won reelection, but crews just be better. o'rourke
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in 2018 by just over 200,000 points. so you add in those new staggering new number of voters that are here in the state it does make things slightly more interesting this, this time, right? >> right. but of course, as you say it, texas turning blue as long as as long as you've been around. so we'll see thank you very much. from dallas tonight. and next, a democratic pollster inside the harris campaign on where he really thinks she stands at a couple of things that really are important in here. and trump's unconventional ground game in battleground, pennsylvania and we'll tell you, we're how they're trying to find new voters. >> now tarrio, the amish and you're getting registered and they're going to vote >> with kasie hunt tomorrow at five eastern if you're shopping for a home, you could browse hundreds of listings to find homes with big yards or compare lot sizes all at once.
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scratches the furniture, they could be telling you there stressed to help them feel more calm, try feel away. optimum tonight are the polls wrong harris and trump are in a dead heat according to several national polls released over the last week, the battleground states are as close as they get although many recent polls have shown paris rising both candidates though are signaling. they see the race differently than the polls we're leading in all the polls. >> so that's a good thing we've got to keep it going to be very frank with you. >> my internal polling is my instinct if you see that people who have don't have last night every event that we do and the feeling is one of energy and excitement terrance woodbury is outfront democratic pollster, who's a senior adviser to the harris campaign and kristen soltis-anderson as a republican pollster. and of course, very familiar to viewers political commentator. so great to have both of you this is what everybody wants to know.
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everyone talks about the polls and then they don't know if they're just a pile of nothing. and it's just the topic out there. so terrence, a lot of swing-state polls, right? two of them coming out of cnn tonight do show pair harris, not just improving, but up. so if they are wrong, right? if they are wrong, what are they missing? >> i i've been paying attention to the trend line in these polls and i've been very confident in the direction. i agree that none of the polls that can predict right now who's going to win because they're all within the margin of error. but if i could choose to be any campaign right now, it's the harris campaign because the trend lines are all moving in her direction she is consolidating the multiracial multigenerational coalition has that's necessary to when she's improving her margins amongst women by by carrying this message to protect a woman's right to choose. she's improving her margins amongst young people. and i think most important is that she's he is she's proven to
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be able to put together his coalition that's going to propel her to victory. >> so terrence, though, if they're wrong, what is it that they will have over-counted, right? what is it that what, if anything, they undercounting young people right under that, there's there's an emerging coalition here of younger voters, specifically young boy voters that were, there were mobilized by, by the dobbs decision. >> this is the emerging electorate that we have seen propelling democrats to victory even in red states post 2022 and if anything is wrong in the polls here, it has been under counting those undercounting, those young voters. >> so interesting to see if anything is wrong gets undercounted. the voters, okay? kristen, on the national polls, it's still more of a dead heat than many of these state polls show. some state polls do. but what others obviously have shown harris gaining when you look beneath the surface on these national polls that continue to be within the margin of error several things stand out to you. what is most significant in those? >> well, right now, even though the national polls are showing
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a very close race, if you look under the surface, many polls have different ways to get to that close result some polls are showing what i would call a realignment take, for instance, something like gender. we typically have had a gender gap in the last few elections where democrats do better among women, republicans do better among men. but in the most recent new york times sienna poll, they showed a gender gap that was massive. and in part because donald trump has built his standing with if men, even as kamala harris continues to win women by double-digit margins. so there could be a realignment along those lines. you also have realignment along educational lines for a long time. education wasn't considered a big predictor of how people would vote. but donald trump has done very well with voters who don't have a college degree at the same time the new york times poll shows harris doing great among white voters with college degrees that would be something that would make the election look very different than past ones
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we've seen and so two important points there. >> now utterances i said, you have been doing polling for the harris campaign and specifically you've been looking at black voters, which has been an important area for because for the campaign specifically, black male voters and you have noticed a shift, you have noticed a trend in very recent days. what is it yeah, that's right. >> i believe that we've been getting the narrative about black men wrong for a long time here there's been for the past several weeks, there's constant narrative about black men somehow bandon and democrats are calmer. harrison in fact, that just isn't true that black men are going to be are going to support the vice president a higher rate than any other group of men as they have in every presidential election since i've been born. but most important what we've seen is that the efforts to strategy of the harris campaign the opportunity agenda that she's he delivered two black men meeting them where they are on platforms like club shay, shay, like the shade room like charlemagne tha god, that this is in fact closed. the gap
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amongst black men and she's doing better than joe biden was not expected to have a higher share of blackman's votes didn't even joe biden had. >> alright, so you're seeing that she could she could overperform the polls on with black male voters. and that if the polls are wrong in anything you said it's because they're a potentially undercounting young voters. christian what you hear though in casual conversation with people is that, well, in past elections where there has been polling that is missed it, they've missed it on the trump side and they've missed it because they have undercounted trump voters do you think that that is a problem this year at all? >> i think it is a possibility. i don't think it is definite, but it's the case that every time donald trump has been on the ballot, polls have underestimated his vote share in part because he's really good at turning out unlikely voters and polls are really good at capturing likely voters at the same time i'm pollsters really want to get it right. >> there's nothing you want more than to be the pollster
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that nailed the election and says, hi, saw it coming. and so pollsters have done everything they can to try to solve for this problem. but in the 2022 midterms, of course, to the extent there was polling here, it ran in the other direction. about on trump wasn't on the ballot, and that's the thing that makes me a little bit nervous about the polls this time around, they could be missing those unlikely trump voters again, now, terence, you're less worried about an undercount of trump voters. you think that it would be an issue on the other side? >> yeah, absolutely. i think that we have been over representing trump support amongst men of color. that what i've seen, especially amongst black men, is that the blackman that have been most likely to support donald trump are also the least likely to vote. so i don't think polls are properly representing what we're going to see on election night. i also think that we could be undercounting this emerge urging elector, look millennials and gen z are now the biggest voting bloc in america but they've also been the most, the most, the least likely voters that dobbs decision and the threat of
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abortion has changed that and we've seen that in michigan in the midterms, we saw in ohio and across the across the rust belt expect that we will see that surge amongst young voters again. >> all right, well, we will see these are, these are the unknowns and thank you both so very much. i appreciate it. and next we do have breaking news. elon musk. he's got to show up in court tomorrow because of the million dollar a day giveaway >> it's nerve wracking the whole country is on the edge of your seat on precedent in this race, could not be any closer. >> election like no other and it all comes down to this. >> we can now make a major projection of election night in america from the first votes to the critical counts. >> a lot of us thought that have come down to this the way only cnn can bring it to you election night in america, special coverage begins tuesday, november 5 at four on cnn and trouble losing weight and
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judge ordering elon musk to show up in court tomorrow for hearing. >> so musk is being sued for handing out millions of dollars to swing state voters and it comes as the philadelphia da who filed the lawsuit is now under threat. they krasner says he's facing anti-semitic attacks. and also asking the judge for extra security at tomorrow's hearing. harrison trump have been hyper-focused on pennsylvania and this time around, trump is changing his ground game strategy in the state with musk's help victory on election day runs through western pennsylvania. it's not tv ads it's not signs and billboards. is that face-to-face which makes rico elmore a critical piece of the trump campaign's an orthodox and in the view of some republicans, risky voter turnout strategy, one of the things it's been hard to figure out in terms of the ground game in the state is there's just a mass of
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republican groups, right? it's its most important state in the election. i think where the keystone, the keystone state now ground zero for both campaigns, home to a rapidly intensifying get out the vote battle impossible to miss as elmore, who is knocked on over 30,000 doors this cycle at it a few more to his total here in beaver county. but for trump, what has long been the primary in-house domain of the campaign the door-knocking, the ballot, chase him, the voter targeting and data now the purview of outside gop groups and trump allies, that number roughly a dozen. >> you have innovators like republican committee here and beaver county you also have to you and early vote action. you also have turning point that you have two ph.d.'s it's a ground game gamble and effort now turbo charged by the country's richest man. thank you very loud yesterday, elon musk, who has poured more than $100 million into boosting trump you were county and i'll
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elmore is in some ways the embodiment of the trump's strategy. he's a councilman and vice chair of the beaver county republicans, who also works for one of the outside groups, pa second outside operation, turning point action his county gop office, another window into the integration. >> it doubles is trump's regional campaign office. >> i also have a little piece of paper with a qr code on it. so that they can go into vote dot vote.pa.gov and check the status of their registration and then if they want to mail-in ballot, i help them with that to that that's new. >> the skepticism though on absentee ballots and mail-in ballots real i presume coming into this cycle, right? >> right. >> that's skepticism, of course, driven by one person anytime you have a mail-in ballot, there's going to be massive fraud. ally with painful electoral consequences for republicans here we learned
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that you can't start an election 700,000 votes down. we learned for the democrats than republicans in the past chased voters. the democrats in the past chased votes. those are two very different things an hour south washington county gop chair sean logue said trump's embrace of mail-in voting belated and tepid as it may be, has had a dramatic effect. he is our leader. we follow his directives when he said that it was a scam. yes, people did not do the absentee ballots. but now that he's on board, every single wing of the republican party is now on board now, the animating cause for the constellation of outside groups blitzing voters across the state connected through essential data hub and agreements with the campaign and party capitalize on new federal rules that dramatically enhance their ability to share voter data. >> a strategic convergence driving the push to turn out voters traditional campaigns don't have the bandwidth or money to target. >> we've now targeted the
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amish and they're getting registered and they're going to vote hunters in pennsylvania, hunters traditionally aren't registered to vote. so we've gone out and registered them as well. >> show up support among younger male voters specifically has been as robust as it has been consistent this year a group historically ambivalent about voting >> with the most critical state, you say it's ok as a football tailgate. well, i wouldn't say all because of football tailgate, but i mean, it doesn't hurt. >> and untested approach that, uh, shoes central command for
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concentric circles of outreach and voter contact when the commingles the campaign and outside our lives, trump's most intense supporters and the lowest propensity voters volunteers and billionaires states with the entire election hanging in the balance. so avoid when pennsylvania, we win the whole thing, right him. >> everything rests on this right now. filming, looking at that, you point out some national republicans have voice concerns about the way trump's campaign is doing this. so do they have a point or are they wrong? >> yeah. i think the concern is palpable. >> and it's not just a few. there are a lot of republicans, even some who have races in the state who are very concerned about how they're going about this. the most fascinating part of working on this is every operative i've spoken to since i've come back, who heard i was on the ground has the same exact question. will it work are they wrong? >> people just don't know? to
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be clear, opacity is a feature, not a bug when it comes to campaign ground operations, they want to keep how they target, where their data is secret in the lead up to a campaign. we also know a couple of facts here. one, democrats have long held a massive registration advantage and the state of pennsylvania that's been cut in half since 2020. we also have the early vote. well, it doesn't tell you who voters voted for. it does say party and republicans are doing better than they did in 2020 when democrats led by about three-to-one margin at this point. now, it's at a two-to-one margin. we also know there's campaign has a ground game behemoth in the state more than double the offices of the trump team. >> very, very real effort underway, more than 1 million doors expected to be knocked on just in the coming days. >> the reality is, you really don't know until we have a winner that will tell you whether it worked or not. >> eric yeah. sure. well, especially if it works in the face of having half as many people on the ground is sort of amazing to save. all right, phil, thank you and thanks for joining us. the source starts now straight to the source tonight with six days to go,