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thanks, bro. time. he's amazing let me say, my heart thank the american drinking age should be 18. i think it is crazy that our children can go to war and die for our country, but they can vote for our leaders, but they can't have a beer. and i really think we need to get really serious lower that drinking age to 18 and allow children to learn how to drink properly when they're still in the protection of their parents and they won't turn into weirdos when they go off by themselves. >> you can like perfect wisconsin platform. >> you can go like by marijuana at what are we doing and being very weird and we're creating bad drinking habit for because they're learning region how they're going to college and drinking exactly engine i'm with you on that new platform all right. everyone. thank you very much for joining us and thank you for watching newsnight state of the race. laura coates live starts right now candidates are barnstorming through the battleground states. there's late new polling on the state of play
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and we'll take a look at the latest numbers also tied just days before the election. new video obtained by cnn of house speaker mike johnson saying if trump wins, he'll work to eliminate obamacare, the affordable care act, which millions of voters rely on and later, where some trump supporters getting their information, donie o'sullivan day watches pro pro-trump tv to see what some voters are seeing from deepen the bunker. >> good evening. thanks for joining us with just six campaigning days left. the candidates are now matching each other state per state across the electoral map. the former president is talking right now in green bay, wisconsin, those are live pictures. the vice president meantime, also in wisconsin for an appearance shortly in madison, both she and her opponent were north carolina earlier today. we'll go live in a moment to madison we're seeing that jeff zeleny has been talking to his campaign sources about, among other things, new cnn polling from wisconsin. take a look at shows the vice president with a six-point lead there, a five-point lead in michigan, both are outside the margin of error. in pennsylvania, though it is all even at 48 zena, john king starts off with more so john i mean, looking at these
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numbers, what stands out to you president, they show competitive races and all three of these blue wall states, anderson, i can just show you, bring up my friend and many magic wall is with me here. remember, these are the blue wall states, pennsylvania, michigan, wisconsin, new polling shows the vice president you noted leads in michigan and in wisconsin a time in pennsylvania, white of these states matter. well, joe biden flipped them back to blue in 2020. he's president in 2016, if you go back in election, hillary clinton lost all three of those states. that was donald trump's big surprise. and he was president. so the blue wall states have mattered, have been decisive in the last two presidential elections. one other way to look at it as this way. if you look at the vice president's path to 270 the electoral votes, if she can hold those leads, this is where we are right now to 26 to 219. if she can hold those leads in wisconsin and in michigan, will look how close she is, right? her path. bam, if she can just get pennsylvania that gets her there right there. so no path is easy, but that is her easiest path to 70 pennsylvania, michigan, he's going to wisconsin. these polls
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show us she is less than a week to go in play to possibly do that. >> what do we know when when were these holds taken? was this before the trump rally with the slurs against various groups? >> right? that's an important thing to note. the polls are several. they're taking several days ago and then you take a few days to process them. so events can change things. that's one of the things you're watching. it's also why we will say 100 times, don't ever invest in just one poll if you averages are great polling team, does the recent battleground state polls. it would show michigan and wisconsin a little bit closer than our polling. so you have the question, you know, did we catch a break her way or is it just our polls? we've got a little bigger lead and another one has a different and you average them out. but if you look in the weeds of these polls, there are some concerns for the vice president among black voters in pennsylvania and in michigan, that some good numbers for the vice president when you look at the suburbs. so again, don't invest in over one plus days left. this does show her easiest path. go ahead. >> yeah. just let let's just drill down on those numbers because among likely black voters in michigan, harris gets 83% in pennsylvania, 76%.
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that's running behind biden in 2020 it is running and it's running significantly behind biden in 2020. now, the harris campaign says it doesn't believe that's what's going to happen on election day. and in our travels, we see a lot of emphasis on early voting in the black community, including here in milwaukee today. but i'm showing you philadelphia right now, not just for the percentage if you want to win pennsylvania is a democrat. you need to do that, but not just the the 80% look at the math. you need a high turnout, right? i blocked it out a little bit by script troubling too hard. but you see, look at the big number there and they're joe biden wins the state by 80,000 votes. look at that giant margin in philadelphia. it is that margin in philadelphia which is largely the black community that helped offset all of that trump bread in the rural areas. so that is a bit of a war warning sign in pennsylvania. and then if you come over again to michigan, where we will be tomorrow, the detroit area, wayne county is obviously where the black turnout is huge. and again, and look not just at the percentage biden got, but the math, the size of the margin helps you win the state. again, the harris campaign thinks it won't be as bad as these numbers would say. but she's
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running stronger in the suburbs. she's running well among on white non-college workers that's something they need to keep an eye on without a doubt. and it's a place with the trump campaign, vows and promises. it will survive, it will surprise us come election day. yeah, to that point, harris is running ahead of both biden and clinton with white non-college educated voters in wisconsin, pulling 43%. >> how crucial is that in wisconsin? >> well, you just mentioned where the former vice president is today. the former president, excuse me. so brown county is where green bay, wisconsin is, right? you see that on the map right here. you see his win over joe biden in 2020, right? you see 65,000 votes, 75,000 votes, or roughly 10,000 vote margin there, right donald trump won the county. why am i focusing? think on that margin? joe biden loses again, this state was decided by 20,000 votes, both times 2016 and 2020. joe biden lost that county by 10,000 votes, right? go back and time again. let me move this up a little bit sorry, i have to move to get to 2016 now, i'll come back. let me come back over for you here now you come back to wisconsin and you go to brown county again in 2016? what's the
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difference? look at the bigger margin hillary clinton loses it by almost 14,000 votes. so the math matters even in places you are losing, the margins matter. so if vice president harris is running close to biden's numbers with white non-college educated voters, that makes a difference in brown county, wisconsin, it makes it different and luzerne county, pennsylvania the margins within the margins, if you will, the small battlegrounds within the battleground states if she can hold that number plus or suburban number, just to work on the black voter number. but again, if you look in the weeds of these polls if our poll is correct heading into the final days of the campaign, it does show, again, it's not easy but the vice president's easiest path to victory. anderson is within striking distance and 11, just ask you, i mean, do you buy polls? i mean, i do buy these numbers. i know i know. i mean, there's a lot of great people work on this and we'll work very hard on it. and i think there's just a lot of distrust and polls. do you at by them >> i use them for trajectory, right? so these, these potia,
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which, which way is the arrow bending and i study much more, wears the black vote, whereas the suburban vote was the college-educated vote. what are the subgroups? tell me and then you come out in the travel in the states and you talk to people and you show up at the early voting sites and you see what happened. i will say this, this is one of the giant questions in both 2016 and 2020. i just said, these polls of relatively good news for the vice president united states. well, i want to add this caveat in both 2016 and 2020. we know that in the battleground states donald trump over performed his polling numbers in almost every poll it's so the polls in the end showed donald trump at a point in the battleground, states he ran better than that. now the pollsters will tell you they've worked really hard to adjust to try to get the trump vote, right? do they have it right this time or will he overperformed again in the 28 2018 midterms? the democrats overperformed what the poll said. in 2022, midterms, excuse me, and we know what happened then the democrats had a much better year than people anticipated. so i don't buy them in the sense that i think they're exactly right. you look at them for trajectory.
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which ways are going you studied beneath them, right? you studied beneath them. so there, there are tool. they're not everything, anderson. all right. >> we're going to talk to you later on for drill down and what you've seen in wisconsin today from the walking out in madison in the harris events, cnn's jeff zeleny is there for us. jeff, what can we expect to hear from vice president harris tonight? >> we expect vice president harris to really take that closing argument on the road. we saw her deliberate last night in washington and doing it in north carolina, pennsylvania, and expected to do so. heard wisconsin, talking about seeking common ground, talking about trying to find common sense solutions. but it's a very fine line. >> rod because at the very same time, she's also trying to draw a sharp contrast with donald trump, what she is trying to do is avoid talking about any of the controversy you've seen on cable news or the former president taught me about those garbage comments. this is something that is not necessarily on the minds of voters so i'm told that vice president harris is going to
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continue to press the case. how she would be a president for all people, not simply vote for her. >> but john, this is get out the vote time. perhaps you can hear the rally behind me. >> this is a concert. >> gracie adams's for me now, there'll be other performers. >> this is a a rally for the people who have voted the campaign that was more focused on those who have not jeff zeleny. thanks very much. want to get perspective now from cnn political commentators ashley allison, scott jennings, also, gretchen carlson, journalism co-founder of lift our voices. ashley, i mean, i don't know what you think about these polls. interesting that i mean, she seems to be this slightly uptake in these latest polls, whether that's real or not, how do you see the race right now? >> i don't i'm not a bit i believe room polls, even though when they say things that i like meaning that the person that i think should win, kamala harris is up. i haven't been in michigan and wisconsin in this cycle, but i wasn't pennsylvania and i wasn't north
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carolina. and i think the narrative a little bit, if you're on the internet and twitter, is that it's all trump country out there in the black community. it's very donald trump heavy and we're just not seeing that the door knockers on that are going on canvases. >> you are canvassing in philadelphia? >> yes. yes. and what we're seeing is there are actually more undecided voters and i like to believe that they really are and the decision is, am i actually going to go vote? but there are some voters, predominantly more white voters, who are saying, do i want to vote for kamala harris? they are not thinking about voting for donald trump, but they're thinking about maybe sending it out. and i think that that is what you might be picking up in these polls, even though i don't think it is telling i think she is has a fantastic ground game right now that is trying to convert. and i was just got to report out of arizona that they saw no operation for donald trump on the doors and converting voters. so this really is a turnout game. and the final thing i'll just say is because
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of the condensed timeline of her her candidacy i think these last 56 days actually do matter. i think the rally in madison square garden does have an impact on people who were going to vote in-person i think her performance on the eclipse, it does get people excited these new there are so many new ads just dropping like at this point, most ads or just package and repackage. but new content is dropping. and i think that is actually touching though some of those undecided voters i think it's, you know, what is going to make people feel compelled? >> to go and vote on tuesday or to go and vote early tomorrow. and so i would agree with ashley on that sense of a feeling. so did they feel that watching her at the ellipse? did they feel that hearing biden with the gaff for trump? i mean, we'll never know, but the one thing in the cnn polls that i thought was incredibly interesting to your point, ashley was how many people? they're still undecided you have 6% in michigan, 6% in pennsylvania, 5% in wisconsin.
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that is much higher than i envisioned at this point in time. we're in the weeds in this every single day and so we hear from people who are, have decided a long time ago who they're voting for. but the idea that people are still making up their minds to my original a point of feeling what is it going to be that's going to tip them over the edge and none of us know the answer to that. >> do you believe these polls? >> i think it's close. i mean, i've i've wondered if if all media outlets have just not taken any polls for the last six months, what will we do with all the money? we have an amazing christmas party. you know, i mean, it's a tied race, it's tight at nationally, it's tied in these swing states. i think some of these people who are undecided tell pollsters that because they want to have seem like they're discerning, but they have a gut feeling about how they feel about certainly donald trump. they may not have as much of a gut about kamala harris because she's come into the race. lesser known. i agree with actually, i think some people are deciding whether to vote at all. i think for trump it's this low-propensity play, low-propensity men, people who have little engagement with the news, little engagement with our civic affairs in this
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country. maybe they never vote, maybe they only voted once or twice in their lives. getting them out is obviously vital. and for harris, she has her own cohort of voters that are in the same boat, like people who need to be given a vibe about this. this is going to manifestly impact my life if i don't get out and do this, i think ultimately at the end of the race, i agree with gretchen. there is something about these events and the news cycles that give you certain kind of energy or a vibe about a campaign. i'll just say republicans feel confident some people are taking it as an article of faith that he will overperform because he did in the last two elections, i would just caution everyone to say, you don't know that he might, but you don't you don't really know that you cannot take that to the bank and so if you're expecting that on election night, just know it's not something you can necessarily bank. >> can i have a theory on why there are so many undecided voters? i think that for so long people did not want donald trump and joe biden rematch that when the ticket flip, people just said, thank god, i don't have to do that again.
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and they just stopped paying attention. now in this very short stretch, it kind of worked to kamala harris, favor because it gave her some time to get her footing, but i actually think that's why so many people we're still having this question mark. because think about it. most, like most of the time at this point, you would have been hearing from this person for a year right? >> one other quick thing i want to say that's not a poll, but actual hard numbers and that is in the battleground states there's a ten-point gender gap. right now with women and men, meaning there's more women by far are coming out to vote early in the battleground states than men. that's a hard and fast number. we don't know how they're voting, but i think that's significant. >> foreign president does seem to be laying the groundwork to contest the results. it's certainly in pennsylvania. he post on social media saying pennsylvania's cheating and getting caught at large scale level. walz rarely seen before for i mean, his rarely seen before is like a verbal tic for him. he said report cheating to authorities, law enforcement must act now what is he referring to? >> there is a story in lancaster county in
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pennsylvania about fraudulent voter registrations that there is an active and ongoing investigation into some kind of fraud fraudulent voter registration activity. so some people have picked up on this. i would just say from my part i am i have all the confidence in the world we're going to have a free fair, and honest election in this country i strongly believe in the diffuse nature of our elections local volunteers, local clerks, secretaries of state, know one central controlling authority. i think it's what makes american elections unique and very, very secure. so i have a lot of confidence in the american election system. >> alright, let's move on much more ahead tonight, coming up, obamacare millions count on it for healthcare, the foreign president said there's only debate he has concept it's of a planter in place, it's neither video of house speaker mike johnson promising to try to do just that in a second trump term also, john king comes back, but there's 35 stops this week all over the map this time talking with voters in wisconsin >> i want to ask you about
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research, and unreal savings elevate your every day cnn underscored thiol our reviews and recommendations that underscored.com tonight, house speaker mike johnson appears to be doing cleanup after being caught on camera, promising to do precisely what donald trump recently he promised not to do, namely end the affordable care act. health policy or balm makary you remember was a major driver of voters to the polls in 2018, 2020, and 2022, the affordable care act, unpopular when it began now no longer is back in april in a video on social media, the former president said he is quote, not running to terminate the aca. instead, he promised as to quote, make it much better, much stronger, even though he tried to eliminate it for many, many years, years, his entire administration today though seen entertain video taken on monday to trump volunteer
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office in bethlehem, pennsylvania of how speaker johnson saying this be big part of the agenda when i say we're going to have a days agenda if we got things, though on the table, don't no obamacare >> he said last month, the treasury department reported that nearly 50 million americans have been covered by it over the last ten years. here's well, tonight, speaker johnson said in a statement, quote, despite the dishonest characterization from the harris campaign, the audio and transcript make clear that i offer no such promise to end obamacare. and in fact, acknowledged that the policy is deeply engrained in our health care system. the trump campaign offered a shorter version saying quote, repealing obamacare is not president trump's policy. position. back now with the panel, doesn't make sense with less than a week to go, that he would be saying these things are mean, clearly, he was just going along with what somebody shouted out. >> no, i don't think he's just going along with it. >> well, i'm not saying he believed but, you know, i think
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he probably i don't know why this day and age you win. >> think there's always a camera on you with cell phones and whatnot, but i think he does want to repeal obamacare. i think we saw 60, 61 times that tried to repeal obamacare. i just a couple of points here. one, this is why people question the consistency of donald trump and the inconsistency of donald trump when he says oh, i wouldn't sign a national abortion ban is because the people that you said at a rally that you had some big old plan to mike johnson about what you have in store when you win. the election. so what is that plan? is it no more obamacare like speaker johnson said it's why when people connect donald trump to project 2025 and they say, oh, has hands are all on it is because they do want to get rid of health care. and project 2020, we should point out that don't trump ran in 2016 on eliminating obamacare. >> i remember an endless interviews. she was like day one. eliminate it and within the hour, yes. my plan is going to be in place and it's gonna be better and obama is it's
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great obamacare people love obamacare. >> it's not perfect. it's not perfect. it's not perfect. but many, many more americans have obamacare and that is why john mccain did the infamous, no, i'm not voting for it because he knew also his constituents like obamacare ship and the ship has clearly sailed on repealing it and johnson made that clear, it's ingrained in our system. but what that must be done. and i think what the republicans are going to focus on is prices. i mean, people feel like they're paying more and more and more for insurance and getting less and less coverage. so that is what they want to deal with. i think they're extremely concerned about transparency. nobody knows exactly what's in these medical bills. you get also, i talked to a senior member of the house republican publican conference tonight, who's directly involved in policymaking on health care he said right out of the gate, we will not do anything to jeopardize pre-existing condition. so when i hear that, what i hear is republicans understand the political contours in which they're operating. and they're going to act accordingly, but they will not ignore the fact that prices have gone up and
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coverage has gotten worse for millions upon millions of why if they were running on this in 2016 and i mean, this was this was widely talked about this this was target number one well, why why did i give up trying to dunk a basketball in my driveway because you don't have to try so many times and falling and your face, he move on to either lower the goal what are you started shooting? it was only as a john mccain that there was not an overhaul about this several years ago. when i see in this whole thing is donald trump called the speaker of the house and said, what are you talking about because this was not supposed to come up in the last couple of days thing that would be opposed by millions of americans, essentially to me, it has not gotten more attention frankly. i mean, it's a pretty it seems to me a pretty huge thing that he sort of let this amine, he just said out loud, yeah, no more. >> there are no plans. right. and donald trump in the debate, you didn't have any plans in the debates on sunset.
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>> he said he had concepts of a plan. >> well, there are things that republicans have been looking into in the house, streamlining middlemen in the system pbm reform, for example. again, this transparency thing is a big deal to republicans, but the overall goal, and i would think both parties would agree on this is how can the price keep going up? but people continue to feel like they're getting less and less coverage. that's not true. if you already are on medicaid or something, you're getting it for free, but for people who pay premiums, who continuously feel like their coverage is getting worse, something should be done in the next party, whoever is in the majority is going to be a slim majority should do something about that. >> i just want to draw the contrast as does that in the biden administration, they kept the price of insulin they negotiated prescription drug costs. commonly harris is rolled out what her plans would be. its again, the contrast is that he said what he said no more obamacare, like, you can. i don't like to put words on people's mouths, but because of the knock on her has been from republicans, has been she has no plans alright. where has she has rolled out plans on this? >> and what's the plan? the
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status quo. i mean, you talks about expanding coverage for caregivers because right now, most of them don't have coverage. >> she talked about not just doing negotiating prescription drug prices under medicare, but expanding on all prescription drug prices, she was premiums premiums are going up people feel like they're getting less coverage that to me if i were if i were a health care focus voter and i were looking at my premiums going up all the time and feeling like it doesn't even feel like i have insurance at all i'd be looking for one of these two parties from talking about that. >> no. no. >> it's not it's not already got this is new i hear. >> you're doing great mike johnson. >> look, i will tell you this in house races across the country, i am certain that can do think mike johnson wants to do that, but mike johnson said no. more, no more. >> no. i think i think what he was my understanding is what he was saying is no more. we're not going to beat repealing obamacare because it's too ingrained. we have to do massive reforms because we're not happy with no more attempts to repeal obamacare does not
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like he knew the u.s been so much the house of representatives is going to be a narrow majority one way or the other. >> how much controversial stuff do you think either party is going to be able to create i think that there's nothing going important things scott said tonight from his source on the hill. is that they're not going to change pre-existing conditions. let's just while it down to what's the most popular thing about obamacare is that people got coverage and for longer period of time with their children? yes, that is what they're most concerned about. and yes, drug prices and care for the elderly and all of that falls way below that. >> the inflation crisis in this country that we've had last four years hit health care almost worse than anything. people know what people feel it. whoever's in the majority and whoever is in the white house, if they don't tackle this, it's a political matter. >> i agree with you. >> i just don't i just really don't think health care is a winning issue that republicans should be bringing up the week before the election, especially when you say no no more obamacare, that ad writes itself. >> i was actually i was thinking you did encourage them to be bringing bringing it up,
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but i give free advice. >> okay got jennings. >> thank you. gretchen carlson as well coming up. john king returns with more on what voters and wisconsin are saying about the racist part of his all over the map series that's next political analysis have questions how biden said the right both stayed away why did trump pulled out? hello, 60 minutes. i love pulling out network of i got news for you saturday at nine on cnn. >> this is what you want this is what you meet. >> this is the path to happiness it's a good day the office for thing we should add something natural instead of this synthetic body wash sydney sweeney, body wash, genie noxious marsh, not your body wash for men. >> they're tired of spelling thirsty. >> these sweeney coconuts. it
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decided and up to you how much he actually trust these polls right now, as you saw earlier, john is in wisconsin, he's visiting five battleground states and five days. it's part of his all over the map series examines the election through the experiences of key voting blocs in those states. here's what he saw in wisconsin critical dividing line in battleground, wisconsin octane coffee is a startup, your morning jolt here, prepared by a robot adrian, dc is the founder and ceo. this is all of the robotics he grew up in a democratic household, voted twice for barak obama the milwaukee suburbs a decade ago, toppings, cold foams, a self-described moderate ready to vote a third time for donald trump. i just see that donald trump from business-minded standpoint, from a, let's make a deal standpoint and from an economics answer perspective, i
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think he's got the right mindset for how the country should be run, how to support small and medium-sized businesses? >> are there downsides to him in your view, does he have some character or personality things that go on for shrimp, but i didn't say you have to separate the message from the messenger some time trump won suburban waukesha county in both 2016 and 2020, but his margin was smaller the second time in wisconsin, flip back to blue. dz believes trump is stronger this time, i would say over the last i'd say six to 12 months, definitely a large trump bump if you'd want to call it walk a shot as a key test of whether trump can reverse his suburban slide and across the county line in milwaukee a pivotal tests for kamala harris to this is the trick will be cafe on milwaukee's northside. pay what you can is the motto here, we found a lot of apathy on our first visit to these predominantly black neighborhoods a year ago chef s60 a courtney says the switch to harris ended that, you know, you got some major younger you
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have some magazine gender an agenda, get somebody that's relatable when you get some batty who understands the issues 40 here's talk more black men are for trump this time. >> she doesn't believe it's a big number, and i've heard what it is that people had said. i've heard people talk about at the fact that she's been a prosecutor and she's put you know, black man in jail and things like that. well, you know, you have to look at it closely. i know if you done a crime, certain gum jail, and there's nothing that shows that she has a track record of targeting like me in and put them in jail this line for early voting is in sherman park, one of the north side neighborhoods where harris needs high turnout and giant margins what i'm seeing right now any fuzi as an excitement that's even bigger then when obama won joins us again, as you mentioned in your story, i mean, you've been visiting wisconsin over the past. >> you're talking to voters there how have you seen an evolution? >> enormous evolution. let's start anniston, come back to the minimagick while let's
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start in milwaukee for first piece we aired, i can remember being in studio with you a year ago saying, wow, we are canvassing with democrats in milwaukee here. it's so critical for the democrats to run it up big in milwaukee, you see the biden, joe biden, the margin. joe biden had going door to door democratic canvas is older black women were saying they weren't sure they were going to vote this time, biden was still the candidate that they thought it didn't matter the apathy and the black community was amazing. that is gone, that has gone, we dropped by an early voting site today, you heard the voter in our piece. there's a lot of energy, enthusiasm can donald trump cut into it some will see come election day, but that has changed the race. the democratic base is now energized and fighting it. so that's question number one. and then question number two, you saw is how to walk a sharp county here in the suburbs. you heard our voter, they're saying he thinks trump will do better. i think that is the defining question. if harris she's in dane county tonight, madison can run it up there, run it up in milwaukee county i am tonight. then it comes down to places like walkers shaw? yes. it's trump red, right? nearly 60%. but what is harris, his margin out there again, first presidential election, post the dobbs decision, the
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harris campaign thinks it's vote numbers in the suburbs are going to be at least as good as biden's, if not a little better. that's the key test. if she can have a margin like this in waukesha. and do well in milwaukee. then she's on her way and how critical for both candidates is wisconsin to the path to 70 you bring it up right now and again, you'll look, we're in the final days here, right? >> this is this is my tenth presidential campaign. this is extraordinary, seven battleground states, no clear leader really in any of them. when you average the polls, maybe harris and our new poll, you just outside the margin and michigan and wisconsin. but look how close this is, right? let's come back here. this is where we are. i'm sorry. i had them shade of blue from our last segment, seven battleground states, those are the yellow states right there. wisconsin. harris can win, wisconsin. these three have voted together since 2000 if all three of them both together she's the next president united states, unless she loses some solid blue state, which is unlikely that's how important it is to harris doubt if you go back to 2016, remember anderson, these were the states
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the blue wall states, if they stay together there again, and they went for donald trump knocking on the door. he would still have to win somewhere else and you have to win somewhere big like north carolina or georgia, or the two of those out there to do that. so the blue wall states because they tend to vote together, we'll see maybe there'll be a split this time. but because they voted together in all well, three since 2000, that's why the campaigns are putting so much money into them because of the math, you have, the three of them together, including pennsylvania, the biggest prize at 19 that's again, none of the paths are easy, but that's the easiest path to 271 it's constant. michigan and pennsylvania. and if you're trump than pick up one more and you're going to michigan tomorrow. what are you looking for there >> you saw the democratic devin. how can democrats do with black voters in detroit? can harris run strong and mccomb county, which trump is likely to win, but we talked about the polling earlier, non college-wide voters. how does she do there? so i'll come back to the other map just to take quickly to give you a look
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here, michigan again, they all vote together. so you come back to michigan, come over here in 2020, right? look at mccomb county, want to bring you up, wayne wayne county here and you move up from a comb county. this is where my first campaign i love going back here because this is where michael dukakis road, the tank. so great campaign memory the first time there we go, finally comes up their greg, kimsey, memory for you, not so much for dukakis introduction to america and how counties can surprise you. but mecole county was mecole county was blueback then this is how the map is changed over those ten campaigns. that was blue union workers, blue-collar workers voted for damage macron said trump has changed the republican party and change the electoral map in some ways is that is trended over. so i'm really interested, how can kamala harris do in mccomb county hillary clinton didn't do as well as joe biden. she lost michigan. if harris can be somewhere around biden's numbers, she can win michigan so each of these states, the math is that harris coalition is really complicated. the math trump is the constant. harris is the variable in this race to me, trump is the constant. three elections in a row with
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the same candidate leading the republican ticket never happened in my lifetime. so we can judge him on his past two performance this is which is why i love going to the battleground states and just testing it out. >> alright, we'll see you in michigan tomorrow. john king, thanks so much. wisconsin, some looms large in part because in 2016, hillary clinton became the first democratic presidential nominee and 32 years to lose the state. she never visited during her general election campaign. by comparison, cnn estimates vice president harris and stop in wisconsin eight times it's including tonight that she held her first rally as a presidential candidate in milwaukee back in july, joining us now is 2016 clinton campaign manager robby mook, robin. what do you make of how the harris campaign is approaching wisconsin? >> well, i they possibly can to win it, which i think is the only way to approach it. you know, as you mentioned, in 2016, we barely lost in 2020 biden barely won. it's the state we've seen again and again where the polling has been the most off and where trump has overperformed the polls the
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most. so i think i almost, you were sort of mentioning his other eye disregard the polls there completely think the only way to run there is like your 20 points behind and work as hard as you can. and that's exactly what we're seeing her do tonight. what we've seen the campaign do the entire time, some in this industry you ran that campaign you disregard, you're shaking disregard polls in wisconsin, do you do is that kind of your rule for right now at this stage of the race for all these battleground states have disregarding the numbers yeah it, is anderson. it's i mean, john king was just saying how remarkable this race is. i don't think we've ever had a situation like this where every single battleground and state is not just within the margin of error, but most of the averages i'm seeing either candidate is up or down by a point so this could go any which way and as john was also demonstrating, what one state moves into somebody's category from the others. and the math gets really tough. i really
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fast. and so all these states matter a lot. and obviously pennsylvania's special, it has the most electoral votes of any of these. but you take wisconsin out, you take michigan out, you take any state out that biden won in 2020 and the path gets easier and easier for trump. so that's why we just can't take any these for granted. and i think we have to absolutely ignore the polls for this final week. >> what do you make of speaker mike johnson pledging to get rid of obamacare if trump is elected again, i mean, trump has said he's not going and to do that, johnson is now trying to say he didn't say what he said i mean, do you think that is something that he would go after oh, absolutely. >> i mean, they tried they were so dysfunctional in 2017. they they couldn't even repeal it because it because it is so it is so popular and it was so popular that so my guess is they'll fail again, but they're absolutely determined government to repeal obamacare, to take away every woman in americas right to reproductive health they want to they want
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to do everything they can to advance climate change giveaway, big tax breaks to the oil companies, give more tax breaks to the wealthiest people. just look at what they've done. that's what they're going to do. absolutely. it's a stupid thing to bring up the week before the election, but trump also did a really stupid thing at madison square garden earlier this week and people should listen to what they're saying because it is exactly what they're going to do when they get into office. hopefully they won't. but if they do, it's what they'll do given your experience, what do you look for in these closing days? i mean, just from the outside now, what do you what are you watching? before yeah. >> anderson, it's a cliche to talk about. well, now, turn out to the most important thing but because every state is literally tied, turnout absolutely makes a difference. the little things come big. so the efforts by the campaigns in these last few days to turn people out absolutely could be the margin of error. and i
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would say to anybody, i assume most of the listeners here have made up their minds and many of them are probably active in campaigns don't pay attention to the early vote statistics we've absolutely no benchmark park to judge what's happening by 2020. it was such a special cycle. many of the laws have changed at this point. we just everything's a tie. go work as hard as you can because these little things are absolutely going to matter. >> rubbing look, thanks so much. appreciate it coming up. our donie o'sullivan goes through the looking glass, spends a day absorbing new who's about this election from the maga media universe hunt. next has won some of the biggest verdicts in american history so if a defective product, motor vehicle accident war medical malpractice caused a catastrophic injury. >> contact climb inspector this is a story about the one the untrained eye may not see the
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you watch cnn or read mainstream news publications like new york times, you know, this is an incredibly close presidential race that few people have a high level of confidence, not to mention you know, who they don't know who's going to win. >> but those getting their news from far-right media figures are getting a far different message about this election are donie o'sullivan well, he went down that rabbit hole at my home and this god for second hour of the morning is because we're about to spend the day maga media universe. every day, millions of americans get their news and information, not from newspapers or cable news the momentum behind donald trump's campaign. ladies and gentlemen it's almost tangible at this point, but from a new world of online maga, media outlets the secret ingredient to the covid-19 injections has been fed down today's kind of be a
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long day but you don't have to work too hard to get sucked into the mega media universe. >> i have a samsung television, long as you're connected to the internet, you got all these free channel what does he have challenged, recognize it, but then you get down. >> real america's voice. but real america's voice is anything but a normal news network because we're going medieval on this before. it's the home of steve bannon's war room like that and to share the big maga i know that guy morning basij, this box sitting in for steve bannon, big part of what's happening on maga media is convincing their audience that there's absolutely no way that trump can lose. there's a 99% chance we are facing total crazy town as the day been done. >> if anyone believes the kamala harris is ahead in the polls, you need to have your brain checked. >> it became clear that maga
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media is telling their audience to expect the election to be stolen done it three times in a row. when times in a row three elections in a call they had more voiced the border is not trail. i just voted in the watch settlement election. >> i'm voted for president, checked it on the video screen when i got the paper ballot, it had the other candidates name on it. this video was quickly going viral with some saying it was proof of election fraud. this one has 7 million views voters and taryn encounter reporting that the voting machines were flipping their votes from trump to harris election officials had responded to the video tharon county has put out a press release, 51 or retweets compared to millions of viewers for the video. there isn't a bottle was spoiled and voter mark to new ballots with his preferred choice reflected central out there saying, is this guy made a mistake and that's the whole point of having the paper receipts you can make sure. >> and he was able to cast his
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o'sullivan joins us now i love that sean spicer is pitching sleeping aides with the tag line. bibi will ask, how do i sleep at night? yeah. >> how does he sleep at night? yeah. yeah. he's pitching the sleeping aides, mike lindell is pitching the pillows and then you can wake up early with what better to wake up with and rudy giuliani stay in your home like that every morning. so it is so surreal, of course, seen those characters pushing that. and by the way, the way they pivot so quickly from america is doom, the election is going to be solon to fight away by this it's just happens what rudy giuliani may move in with you and your apartment think you might have tomorrow, spain, but there will be, there will be good coffee. >> i mean, maybe, i mean, how wide reaching is it's huge and it's a hard thing to get your head around, which is it's just endless. i mean, i have to watch this stuff for a living every day. there's don't here's a new show, there's a new account, there's just hundreds of these shows, millions of the americans are seeing this bs every donie
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