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the same venue where he accepted the republican nomination this summer wisconsin and the other so-called blue wall states critical for both campaigns, which is why we're starting out with new polling from marist and cnn's john king to walk us through it. so john, what is the new polling from the blue wall states show wall states trump won him in 2016? >> he was president. joe biden flipped him back in 2020. he's president. so let's look at the new polling. and i'm going to do it in the context of our map that shows the path to 270 electoral votes. let's look first at the new marist polls. you just mentioned. and if you're a democrat tonight, you're looking at this and you're happy. i'll add the caveat. it's just one poll, so be careful. but look at this. in the end harris at 50 to 48 in pennsylvania 51 to 48. in michigan 50 to 48. in wisconsin. no clear leader within the margin of error. but significantly, harris at 50% or more in all of those polls. donald trump about where he was in 2016 and 2020. he is consistent across these states and over the campaign. so just one poll. but if you're a democrat, you think maybe we're closing strong. so let's average them out. let's be safe. this is the best way to do it is you take as we do in

our cnn poll of polls, the last five reputable polls in each of these states. and you have no clear leader, a dead heat in pennsylvania maybe a slight harris edge, but again, 49 to 46 and then 49 to 46. in wisconsin. so if you're kamala harris, nothing is easy anderson. but you're seeing these polls, our cnn polls, this week had her ahead with pennsylvania tie ahead. and the other two marist has her ahead in those other two wisconsin michigan and a tie here. if you're the vice president and you hold that lead, you've had in wisconsin for some time, even though it's narrow you hold that lead you've had in michigan for some time, even though it's narrow, and you can somehow win here, where i am, which is very close in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, those three states alone with all the other likely and solid democratic states would get the vice president of the united states to 270, and she would be the next president. not easy. not done. but that is her easiest path in this recent polling does show it's more than a viable possibility. >> and if the blue wall states go to trump if you imagine 2016 again, they're that close. they are that close. the democrats are happy in the end. but it is

just as conceivable looking at those numbers that wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania go back to donald trump. now in our current map, that would only get him to 263. it wouldn't get them all the way to 270. but let's be real about this and realistic about this. if donald trump is winning all three of those, it is a very safe bait, very safe bet that he's winning at least one, if not two or more of the remaining states. now nevada would not be enough electoral votes to get trump over the top. you see, it would just get him to 269. but again, if he's winning the blue wall states again like he did in 2016, he's going to be the president without a doubt. >> as we mentioned, you've been in five swing states in five days. have voters said anything that surprised you? you've been following up with a lot of these same people over the years comes up with democrats and republicans both think there's a secret vote out there. >> republicans tell you that there are people who voted for biden who voted democratic. they're mad about inflation. they don't think harris is ready to be president, and they're not telling anybody, but they're going to vote trump. and then you meet other people. and some have walked up to me and said, this is happening in their own family, where they're in republican

families. but the woman, the partner is going to at least the woman is going to vote for kamala harris because of the dobbs decision, because of reproductive rights, because of donald trump's toxic character. sometimes so both sides think there's a secret vote out here. i'll tell you, here in swarthmore, this is a very liberal community. this is one of the suburbs where the vice president has to run it up. one thing you do find here, and you find this among a lot of democrats, is a little bit of anxiety. is this 2020 where you run it up in the suburbs and you win the close races or is it 2016? a lot of people have raised this question. we're a little bit of sexism and maybe a little bit of racism now in harris's case, kicks in and costs her just a little bit of the vote. so democrats are both more optimistic and more anxious all at the same time. >> all right, john king, we'll see you a little bit voters. and you're all over the map series right now, though the back and forth over what the former president said last night to tucker carlson about former republican congresswoman katherine harris, supporter liz cheney >> let's put her with a rifle standing there with nine barrel shooting at her okay. let's see

how she feels about it. you know, when the guns are trained on her face, you know they're all war hawks when they're sitting in washington in a nice building saying, oh gee, will, let's send let's send 10,000 troops right into the mouth of the enemy. >> well, cheney posted her reaction on social media dictators destroy free nations. they threaten those who speak against them with death. vice president harris also weighed in president of the united states, who uses that kind of violent rhetoric is clearly disqualified and unqualified to be president now, later today, when asked by cnn's kate sullivan about cheney interpreting his remarks as a threat in her life, the former president said this i think that liz cheney is a disaster. >> all she wants to do is blow people up. she's a war hawk and a dumb one at that. and if you ever put her into the field of battle, she'd be the first

one to check it out she wouldn't fight. she'd chicken out so fast. and that's all i say. >> well, joining us now cnn political analyst, new york times, senior political correspondent maggie haberman, also cnn political commentator adam kinzinger and david urban and ashley etienne, former communications director for vice president harris. maggie, earlier today, the former president said more about cheney on truth social, saying in part she wouldn't have the guts to fight herself. it's easier for her to talk sitting far from where the death scenes take place, but put a gun in her hand and let her go fight and she'll see. no thanks end quote. obviously coming from a guy who avoided the draft in vietnam alleging bone spurs, that's one data point in all of this how do you see this back and forth today i don't think it's helpful to the trump campaign. >> i mean, they're spending the entire day talking about this. he's had to clean it up. his aides have been talking to reporters about it. at least one of his stops in michigan he posted on truth social, the clip is playing over and over again. you know he he appeared to be talking about the the

long standing criticism of people who send others into war that they wouldn't go themselves. and, you know, liz cheney has been called a hawk before, but he did it in a particularly violent way. and so of course, this is going to get attention in the final days and it shouldn't really be a surprise. i will say anderson, you know, he has also reposted or reproofed or whatever you call it on his website. another user saying that she was guilty of treason and calling for a military tribunal. so this is you know, in keeping with the kind of rhetoric he's been using for a while, right? >> i mean, he's also talked about, you know, mark milley and, you know, what would happen in past days about the death penalty for for treason congressman, you're a veteran of the wars in iraq. and afghanistan, conservative former house republican like liz cheney, who endorsed kamala harris. what's your reaction yeah. >> and anderson, i've also lived threats like this, maybe not directly from him but get them every day. this isn't a joke. this isn't something that we can, you know, sit around

and somebody try to excuse. is he really meant she'd die on the battlefield? a couple of big points here. first off, we get told we can't call trump a fascist and we can't say he's a threat to democracy because, oh, my god, that's going to create violence but he can say liz cheney on a battlefield or he didn't say battlefield with nine guns pointed at her face. it's an oddly specific number. by the way, and you can tell in his mind he may have been thinking about battle, but then he's visualizing nine guns pointing at liz cheney's face. so look, i've lived this stuff we're talking about people's lives here. why we can't just have a grown up that for once doesn't have to go that route. and lastly, let me say this if donald trump is saying that anybody who is scared of battle somehow can't have an opinion or can't do anything regarding national defense and what the hell is he doing running for president? because there is nobody watching this show right

now that believes that donald trump wouldn't be scared to death if he was on the field of battle. so now he's saying, since he would be scared to death, he can't send people into war. he is not qualified to be president for any number of reasons. but just add this to the list. >> now to david you're a graduate of west point. >> i should point out, awarded the bronze star for your service during desert storm what do you make of the congressman's perspective so which congressman? >> so so listen anderson, i am glad that you played the entire clip, right. a lot of people weren't playing the clip. and and i think that's how this got spun up congressman knows he's he's a veteran. he knows and he knows us well. the biggest responsibility you have as a member of congress or in the government are the young men. and women in our armed forces. right. putting those people in harm's way. and that's what the president is talking about, whether or not we should put young men and women in harm's way. and it's easy. liz cheney's father who by all accounts lied to the american public, lied to the

world about the first about the first aumf that was that was enacted in, in in 2002. and which stood in place until just a few years ago, which was used over and over and over again authorized use of military put our young men and what are you talking about? yeah, yeah. so it was used over and over again. and the congressman knows this there's big debates about this. congressman put forth his own aumf to to, you know to to take up arms against ukraine if needed. but these are things that should be debated, debated full throatedly amongst our congress and leaders. and donald trump is making that point. listen, if we're going to spend our most precious resource, we need to make sure that people are people have a full throated discussion, and it's not just kick the can down the road for 20 years like we did in afghanistan. we had 21 year wars in afghanistan and that's why people are weary today about further entanglement and getting getting caught up in more wars. and i think that's why unfortunately, like i support congressman kinzinger

and i feel the same way about ukraine, but unfortunately, the american people, lots of them don't because they've been misled in the past right? he said none of that. but go ahead. go ahead. congressman well, what does pointing nine guns at her face have to do with the fact that congress should debate stuff? >> and yeah congress should debate that stuff. congressman unfortunately with donald trump, he never came to congress. donald trump made decisions as he does under article two of the constitution but to say nine guns pointed at her face, she doesn't have a right to all she wants to do is get people killed. and this guy is scared to death of the battlefield too. and yet he wants to be president he's scared to stand up and use the military, evidently, because if you'd be frightened on a battlefield, you're unqualified it's a garbage thing. and to defend it makes no sense to me. this is people's lives we're playing with and, you know, cheap political points i just think that he's greeted he's greeted grieving families at dover. >> i haven't i don't know if you stood there. i've not done that. i've not made those

phone calls. i think that's a pretty big responsibility that every president has. and i think that changes you and it changes the way you look at things. >> ashley. i mean, how much do you expect the the harris campaign to emphasize these comments moving forward? or do you think today was it. >> no, i mean, absolutely they're going to continue to sort of seize on this opportunity because you know, it's this serves as an example of the corrosive nature that donald trump has had on not just our nation, but our nation's politics. he knows exactly what he's doing. he's repeatedly his words, have repeatedly led to violence. and, you know, there's no question left about who donald trump is. so from my perspective, i think the campaign is going to lean into to the point that there's a choice here in this election and, you know, if donald trump wins, it really says more about the character of this nation than it does about donald trump, that people are going to go into the the booth and affirm that this is the person that they want representing them in the world they're going

to condone this type of of action and corrosive violent, dangerous actions from the president. i mean, actions i wouldn't even condone from my nine year old. so for me, it really leaves this begs this question of the 48% that's holding firm behind donald trump, where, you know what is beyond the pale anymore if it's not, you know inciting an insurrection you know, being, you know violent rhetoric toward members of congress, the worst economy in modern history what is beyond the pale anymore if not this kind of stuff? >> maggie? is it clear to you how the former president is feeling about the race right now? i mean do you have any sense of of is he confident? how is his advisers feel, at least yeah, he's very confident and and most of his advisers are very confident. >> there is a tier of people around the campaign, not necessarily directly in it, who are a little more anxious. they're not quite certain what to make of what they're seeing

in terms of some of the data, and they're not quite certain what to make in terms of what they're seeing of trump's upcoming schedule. he's going to north carolina apparently several times in the next couple of days. this was these were late adds to his schedule. you don't normally go to a battleground state four times in three days. if you're not at least somewhat concerned about about shoring it up so, you know, all of these states are within margins of error and again, the trump team has felt very good about it based on their read of early vote data. but this is the two campaigns have very different models that they're using of what the turnout looks like and who is voting for whom. and one of them will be right and one won't. can i make just one more point, anderson, though, as we're having this conversation about donald trump and things, he says and so forth, um, donald trump has been, uh, this is not some new version of donald trump. this is not a new person who's running this cycle. he is the same person he has always been he is a person with much less of a filter than he had before. the language is much darker. it is often more rambling and more incoherent, but he is somebody who has often glorified violence. he has been saying

things like this since the 2016 campaign. it's not like, you know, he might be at a at a 60 now, and he was at a 30 before, but he certainly was never at a zero. and so the degree to which people who were around him and supported him and tolerated it throughout the presidency or throughout the 2016 campaign, i understand that what happened in the aftermath of the 2020 election was unlike anything we have seen before, and that was a breaking point for a lot of people, although not not by any means. most republicans but he's not significantly different than who he was before that. >> we're going to pick up this conversation shortly. we'll have more from the team next. breaking news from the supreme court on voting in pennsylvania. it's important what the court just said about mail in ballots and what it could mean. one of the most hotly contested states of the campaign and later, what voters in the philadelphia suburbs are telling john king about their choice. this election, as well as echoes of 2016, when hillary clinton tried and failed to win pennsylvania. more on that ahead this

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a larger envelope called the declaration envelope. and then you have your package ready to go. you mail it in and you're good. if you do that, your vote will be counted. the problem is, a lot of voters in pennsylvania, thousands forget the secrecy envelope and they just take the ballot and they put it in the declaration envelope now, under the law of pennsylvania this ballot would be void. it's no good. democrats didn't like that. they sued and they won. and the pennsylvania supreme court said if a person just sends in the ballot without the secrecy envelope, then the voter can still go cast a provisional ballot on tuesday on election day. now, republicans didn't like that. so republicans asked the u.s. supreme court to step in. and just an hour ago, the u.s. supreme court said, no, we're not stepping in so it goes back to where we were, which is this if you are a voter in pennsylvania and you think you've sent in your ballot without the secrecy ballot, you think you screwed up somehow, you can still go to the ballot in place. the voting place on tuesday and put in a

provisional vote, and it will be >> but would you know i mean, if you're right, how do you know? so great question. some counties in pennsylvania will notify you. they will send you a notice saying, hey, we got your mail in ballot you screwed it up. it's void. therefore you can go cast a provisional ballot. other counties don't give the notification. so i guess it's just one of those moments of oh no, did i maybe send it in wrong? in which case, again, that's what a provisional ballots for. it's a just in case ballot. >> so this was decided on the what they called the emergency docket. there were no noted dissents. alito thomas gorsuch. they wrote a brief separate statement explaining their decision. i want to put up on the screen what they said. they said even if we agreed with the applicants federal constitutional argument, a question on which i express no view at this time we could not prevent the consequences. they fear. yeah. what does that mean? so first of all, this decision tonight not to get involved by the u.s. supreme court. it was nine zero. some people i think were expecting the 6 to 3 conservative liberal split nine zero. now the three of the conservatives issued a separate decision. and

essentially what we saw just there is those justices said it's sort of too little, too late. they said this dispute actually goes back to a primary from last year, and it only affected a handful of ballots. and even if we were to put that on hold, that wouldn't bind statewide officials in the general election next week so this is a big win for democrats, right? as you said. i mean, pennsylvania is the most important state there are thousands of people who mess up. the way they send in their ballots. >> is the supreme court prepared for potential flood of litigation in this election they'd better be. >> i mean, they're in session now. we've already seen two big rulings by the supreme court today. this is all happening, by the way, important to understand on what's called the emergency docket. so we're not going to see necessarily the standard briefs and briefs. the other way. and then arguments, they're going to be ruling very quickly. and a lot of times like this case here, it's an emergency application. so the parties are saying just step in and block this. but i think this is an interesting indicator from the supreme court. i think there's a lot of skepticism out there that they were going to want to inject themselves, maybe in favor of the republican candidate. that's not what they did

tonight. all right. elie honig, thanks so much. joining us right now, veteran pollster and communications strategist frank luntz. also, kristen soltis anderson, who is a republican pollster and cnn political commentator. so, frank, we mentioned at the top of the program the new marist polling showing harris leading trump and so-called blue wall states of pennsylvania, michigan and wisconsin, all within the margin of error. um, do you take anything away from that? >> i take that it's impossible that it's so close and that it is impossible to figure out the mindset to me, i'm not looking as much at the polling anymore because that's determined. i don't believe there are any more undecideds. there are still uncommitted. there are still persuadable. but if you're undecided, you reject both candidates. you don't like them. you're not going to be voting for them. to me, i'm trying to figure out what the turnout is going to be and the group that i'm watching more than any other are young women. if they come out in significant numbers, if they make a bigger percentage of the overall voter pool, then that is great news for harris. that may propel her. the other group that i'm

watching are latinos. some of that has been muddied over what happened in madison square garden earlier this week but the latino population is voting in good numbers in the western states, and that's critical in arizona and nevada. what they do could also be decisive. >> kristen, the marist poll also found a significant gender gap in each state. the gender gap i think 12 points in pennsylvania, 17 in michigan, 21 in wisconsin, with harris having the advantage with women trumping trump, having an advantage with men how impactful could that be? do you buy any of this right now? what are you looking? what do you look at? >> well, i certainly expect there will be a gender gap. there is a gender gap. four years ago, when it was trump versus biden. so it wouldn't surprise me if we see a gender gap that's that big. this time around. i think the question then will be turnout. and we know that women make up a majority of voters, but after the dobbs decision that overturned roe versus wade, we know that women turned out in even bigger than expected numbers for a midterm, especially those younger women

that frank talked about. if that materializes, that could be a problem for trump, which is in part why he's made reaching young men such a big part of his strategy. young voters both male and female, have not really been into republicans over the last decade. trump is trying to turn that around, knowing that he's probably not going to do well with young women. but can he try to run up the score with young men? >> frank have polls. you know, a lot of people, you know, know that in past years, trump overperformed in some polls have pollsters figured out a built in, you know mechanisms? i'm not sure how it would be done to compensate for that i you have to ask every pollster because their strategies are different. >> and frankly, i don't believe in this so-called shy trump voter. this time, that trump people are not afraid to voice their point of view. and all the focus groups i've been doing up to, up to right now, trump people are very loud very vocal, very willing to acknowledge who they voted for or will vote for and very

willing to participate that they've underestimated trump in 2016, they underestimated trump in 2020. and what we don't know is whether these pollsters have overcompensated and gone too far to to address this hidden trump voter, and that distorts the data. >> kristen, i saw a recent, i think it was in the new york times op ed where you said that despite most of the polls showing trump and harris in a dead heat, that they that these polls don't all tell the same underlying story. what are your theories on that underlying story? how this might unfold so this election could wind up being very close, but it could also turn out two very different ways under the surface about where america is heading. >> on the one hand, this election could be a reboot of past elections where we see familiar divides old and young voting differently. white and voters of color voting very differently but donald trump and kamala harris have scrambled the deck a little bit. harris has been doing better among white voters, with college degrees. donald trump a little better with voters who

are black and latino, especially men who are more working class. and that would scramble the way we think about our political divides. if we see a smaller generation gap older, breaking, more left, younger breaking, more right because of young men, it would be very interesting to see what our new politics would look like with those divides. >> well, kristen, just on that point, i mean, there is we see a gender gap in early voting data in the battleground states. more women casting early votes than men. it is slightly narrower than at this point four years ago. right well, i would be very cautious of looking at too much early vote data. >> and i say this as someone who's a pollster, i love all this data, but i'm the first person that will tell you there's a lot of uncertainty out of there. and just remember the benchmark. we're comparing it to. four years ago, we were in the midst of a global respiratory pandemic. a lot of states had changed the way voting was accessible in their states. and so it's possible that some of these patterns have changed some republicans who didn't want to vote early last time may have come around to it. it's hard to read a lot

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shannon elliott. her we have a beautiful college campus woods, trls close proximity to a lot of different things, but just often a quiet, close knit community. >> this is southeast pennsylvania, delaware county, a place where kamala harris needs to win big if she hopes to claim the biggest of the battleground prizes. >> a lot of the messages i get are more panic and so i feel panicked. >> elliott's vote is not in question. >> i don't want to go back there i see how he treats people and bullies people, and these are things i tell my teenage kids not to do. why would i want to see my president doing that? you need a sign. >> harris needs to match or beat biden's 2020 numbers in the suburbs. i'll fix it up. >> okay. >> but elliott hears hints of apathy and of sexism hints of 2016. i think people were afraid to vote for a woman once it got down to the final choice, and they made a mistake. and now here we are again with that same decision facing people. and i'm

worried. i'm worried it's going to happen again. >> delaware county is reliably blue, but there are pockets where trump runs strong. >> i'm most upset about the lack of a border and the lack of our sovereignty and how that's eroded in the last three years, and i feel as an american citizen, i'm underserved, overtaxed i'm kind of diminished. >> kristen capper, a registered republican at the age of 18 back in 1988, the philadelphia suburbs were red then, but capra is outnumbered in her drexel hill neighborhood now. we vote on different sides of the aisle, but we are proud americans. the american flag is outside all of our homes, and so i'm very comfortable there this is her new jersey beach cottage. >> lola and taylor, her friendly labs. >> push on to your left there. >> and this is back in delaware county, where capra teaches figure skating. she believes trump will run stronger this year because of concerns about inflation, the border and

whether harris is too liberal. well, i think right now there's a very quiet trump vote. he does have some bizarre behaviors, but at the end of the day, i feel he's patriotic and i feel he loves this country and my version of this country a little more dearly dearly than the other side the suburbs settle close races here back with us is john king. harris needs to win in the suburbs. by how much >> anderson. 67 counties in pennsylvania. joe biden carried only 13 of them. only 13 of 67. how do you win? by carrying only that small number. by running it up where people vote blue. let me bring in the map and show you. and let's go through these pennsylvania counties. the three collar counties right around philadelphia bucks county is one of them. it's the most competitive. see how the president did in 2020. look at how hillary clinton did four years before that. she won it. but not by as much. let's move to montgomery county. she won it there pretty comfortably.

biden won it by even more. this is where i am tonight. delaware county. look at that huge biden margin. four years before that, hillary clinton also won it but not quite as big in just those three counties, in just those three counties, montgomery, bucks and delaware hillary clinton beat donald trump by 162,000 votes in those same three counties. joe biden beat donald trump by 239,000 votes. what is the difference there? let me come back to the 2020 map, joe biden got 76,000 more votes, a 76,000 vote advantage over hillary clinton in those three suburban counties. right? how much did he win pennsylvania by 81,000 votes. suburban math matters. harris runs it up here. she has a chance. >> all right, john king, thanks coming up, robert f. kennedy jr. has endorsed a number of false conspiracy theories, particularly about vaccines. so why does the former president want to give him a top position overseeing health care? why does he keep mentioning it on the campaign trail? our panel weighs in next for you are pretty obvious. yeah but what are the cons? we

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after he specifically mentioned vaccines being a part of kennedy's health care portfolio in a future administration he really wants to, with the pesticides and the you know, all the different things i said, he can do it he can do anything he wants. >> he wants to look at the vaccines. he wants everything. i think it's great. i think it's great that was thursday. >> wednesday night, a trump transition team co-chair appeared to endorse kennedy's anti-vaccination vaccine theories in an appearance with kaitlan collins >> i mean why do you think vaccines are safe? there's no product liability anymore. they're not proven kids get them and they're fine. why do you think they're fine? >> but because they're proven scientifically. how about this? there was 1 in 10,000 people have autism. we all know. so many more people with autism than had it when we were young. oh come on, i mean his point is really interesting. so here's what he said cause autism. >> okay now we should point out that after backlash to those

comments, that guy howard lutnick issued a statement, quote, to be clear, my wife and i trust our doctors and following their advice, have vaccinated our children and ourselves however, not everybody trusts such advice or the fda. we would be doing everyone a service if the government respected bobby kennedy's request to make full data available kennedy's health care portfolio in a trump administration, however, could expand past vaccines this was trump last night in another battleground state nevada robert f kennedy jr.. >> we have health and women's health and all of the different reasons, because we're not really a wealthy or a healthy country. we're not this afternoon this afternoon, vice president harris responded while in wisconsin person who would be in charge of health care for the american people is someone who has routinely promoted junk science and crazy conspiracy theories, who once expressed support for

a national abortion ban and who is the exact last person in america who should be setting health care policy for america's families and children. >> back with us, maggie haberman, david urban and ashley etienne. maggie, the fact that rfk jr. is out on the campaign trail with trump obviously suggests trump thinks he can be helpful in these final days. is there any concern you've heard inside the campaign about the actual prospect of kennedy being a, you know, a turnoff to swing no, i yeah, in general, most people in the campaign are actually pretty happy about him. >> there are a few people who i think have questioned using him so heavily, but most of them think that the endorsement from rfk of trump was a big moment for the campaign. and it and it added to momentum at a crucial time. also, rfk jr. is on the ballot still in wisconsin and michigan. so even though he's not a candidate anymore, i think that part of what trump is doing is just trying to

appeal to those voters. but do i think that rfk jr. is likely to play some kind of a health role in the administration? i do he has had this conversation with trump before in in late 2016 or early 2017, during the transition when trump was elected, then trump was very skeptical of childhood presidential race in 2016. so there is a like mindedness. and also when trump says things like, i'm going to let him go nuts. most federal agencies trump didn't have that much interest in. he cared about the defense department, the justice department and the intelligence community but beyond that, he wasn't especially focused on it. it was basically that he just wanted people to go out and succeed. and so i do think that you would see rfk jr. playing some significant role. what exactly that looks like? i don't know, but i think it's real i think we lost david irvin. >> but i'll go to ashley. we'll try to get david back. ashley. so we played harris's comments about rfk jr. being quote, the exact last person in america who should be setting health care policy trump was

asked about that comment, said it just sour grapes over a member of the kennedy family supporting him. um, do you think this actually would appeal to harris supporters? i mean, is this something that would motivate people to vote you know, i don't think this will be a major factor, but really, what it reinforces is this, this you is to maggie's point. >> i mean robert f. kennedy just reinforces what we already know about donald trump. i mean, you know trump would would stack his cabinet i mean, this gets back to the choice with stack. his living in reality, who are conspiracy theorists, who are anti-vax anti-science anti lgbtq anti-semites. i mean, a whole host of of questionable people in his in his administration, primarily because they wouldn't check his worst instincts and, and that's the scary part. and i mean, to

america deserves better than this. america deserves better than someone running hhs who does not believe in vaccines. and, you know, but again, what do we expect from donald trump? this is someone who misled the public in the middle of a deadly pandemic. and half a million people died. so it's what we've come to expect. but to harris's point, america deserves better. >> david, i'm glad you're back. i didn't want to have any conspiracy theories that we had suddenly blipped you off the screen so there's i mean, what do you think of the rfk? i mean, influence is it do you think it's a turn off to some of, like, nikki haley? you know, voters who might support him yeah. >> listen, anderson i think that there's a wide swath of americans have a great distrust of our government, especially post-pandemic, because of all the things they were told they had a healthy skepticism going into the pandemic. and then they i feel that they, you know, they feel that they were their fears were cast aside and they couldn't do search terms.

government censored them. listen, i think bobby kennedy is smartest when he's talking about actual health. you know, one in 1 in 3 kids today, 1 in 3 teenagers is pre-diabetic in america it's incredible only ten years ago, that number was in half we've had a huge gain in kids being pre-diabetic. kids are getting fat. it affects military recruiting. it's incredible. our military budgets 800 billion. we spend $400 billion in america on diabetes. bobby kennedy wants to talk about that. why are kids obese today what are we eating? what are we feeding our kids? why are americans so unhealthy? i think if he talks about that and focuses on that, do you think served? >> do you see him as head of hhs? i mean, what do you see no, no, no no. listen, i mean, if trump is saying he can do whatever he wants, trump is saying he can do whatever he wants. >> no he's not. >> listen howard lutnick is compiling a long list of very capable people uh, so what do you think he does so very

smart. >> if he doesn't have a cabinet, he'll be an advisor. he'll have he'll. he'll have some role in whether it's, you know, um make america healthy czar. i don't know whether there's plenty of czars given out in every presidency. so i'd like to see him focus on those types of things. making americans healthy, eat healthier, getting pesticides out of our foods, making sure kids stay healthy. listen, diabetes is rampant amongst the african-american community. they suffer disproportionately. so i'd like to see it addressed, you know, and rectified. >> maggie, i mean, is, is that what the role is, that he's going to be like a cheerleader or something like a like a what is have you heard anything it would be something more like that than he's not. >> i don't expect that he's going to be the hhs secretary for a variety of reasons, one of which is that i think there is some concern that he would go through a difficult confirmation fight um, but i do think that if he comes into the administration, he will be in some kind of an oversight czar whatever title you want to give it. um overseeing these agencies, i think that is a

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the issue of course, back to the states. in may a new law took effect in florida, banning access to abortion past six weeks of pregnancy. the law was pushed by the republican governor, ron desantis. amendment four, now on the ballot proposes expanding abortion access to viability, which is about 23 or 24 weeks, or to protect the life of the mother. now, some of the opposition is coming directly from the governor who is accused of using taxpayer money to actually fight it. randi kaye has more amendment four, this is an intentional deception on the public. florida governor ron desantis amping up his rhetoric against florida's abortion amendment, known as amendment four. >> when you're dealing with constitutional amendments your default should always be no. >> amendment four, if approved would do away with florida's current six week abortion ban signed into law by desantis, and enshrine the right to an abortion before viability in the state constitution. >> it's incredibly unfortunate in the state of florida to see taxpayer resources wasted on a political campaign.

>> desantis has brought the full force of his office and state agencies to defeat amendment four, and the state appears to be spending millions in taxpayer dollars to do so. >> this is the government that is supposed to be administering these elections, not putting its thumb on the scale. >> independent journalist jason garcia has been working to connect the dots on the state spending. >> it appears that the desantis administration is spending more than $19 million of taxpayer money much of that spending appears to be specifically related to amendment four, but what ultimately they are funding is a massive television advertising campaign based on the timing and subject matter of the purchase orders. in a state database, there is every indication that taxpayer dollars were used. but desantis office has refused to answer reporters specific questions, including ours, about the money spent. last month floridians protecting freedom, the organization running the yes on four campaign, filed a lawsuit against the state accusing florida's agency for health care administration of launching a state run taxpayer

funded website proclaiming that proponents of amendment four are telling lies. the group also accuses the state of using taxpayer money to buy tv advertisements like this one. and florida law puts women's health and safety first. >> the state has also spent money sending cease and desist letters to tv stations that ran commercials encouraging floridians to vote yes on amendment four. >> the doctors knew if i did not in my pregnancy, i would lose my baby. i would lose my life. >> the letters were signed by the general counsel for the department of health. according to this signed affidavit, he resigned after he was pressured to send more letters suggesting the stations could face charges. letters, he said, were written by lawyers working for desantis. a judge has since blocked florida's health department from threatening tv stations any further over the ads. >> we certainly shouldn't be using state resources to threaten tv stations from airing the stories of women who need to access abortion, randi kaye joins us now from florida.

any word from desantis office tonight no word. >> anderson, which isn't entirely surprising. this is usually how it goes with the desantis administration. but we did send them anderson, very specific questions about the money being spent to fight amendment four here in florida. now, his spokesman did send a statement to politico, and i can share part of that with you. it says state agencies have the authority and dedicated funding, as he put it, to educate the public on important issues, especially those that impact the health and safety of women and children. so he doesn't address the taxpayer money there, but he does say there's dedicated funding. it's also worth noting anderson, that this amendment needs 60%, at least 60% support to to have it pass and to replace the near-total abortion ban that's on the books here in the state of florida now. >> all right. one more thing to watch for on election night. randi kaye. thank you. the news continues right here on cnn