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politics," closing time. this is it. just 12 hours left. 12 hours left in one of the wildest presidential campaigns in american history. and if the polls are right, one of the tightest. >> we have the momentum, because our campaign is tapping into the ambitions, the aspirations, and the dreams of the american people, because we are optimistic and excited about what we can do to together! >> what a terrible thing, they have done to our country. and they're going to say, you've done a terrible job, you're grossly incompetent. we're not going to take it anymore. kamala, you're fired! get the hell out. >> i'm dana barb. let's go behind the headlines and "inside politics. "

here's how the 2024 general election started. a rematch, effectively set in late january with no clear leader. over the next nine- plus months, we saw criminal convictions, turmoil seas, two assassination attempts and a change at the top of the democratic ticket. here's how it's going. the cnn poll of polls has barely budged. there's still no clear leader hours before election day. if someone told you they know how it's going to end, they're blowing smoke. but we do know there is a very good chance it will all come down to pennsylvania, and that is why kamala harris spending her entire day there. she's hitting at least five cities in the crucial commonwealth, including two stops focused on courting the hispanic vote. donald trump is also heading to reading and pittsburgh, also

pennsylvania, before heading out to michigan, grand rapids there, and that is going to be his final rally, just like he did both in 20 16 and in 2020. the former president started his day in north carolina, where he's ampaigned for three straight days. he's still up there on stage. you can see him there. that's live. he has been speaking for more than an hour. he talked a lot about crime and the border, but there was also a lot of this. >> and michelle hit me, i was so nice to her, out of respect, i was so nice. she hit me the other day. i was going to say to my -- am i allowed to hit her now? but remember, she ripped up the paper behind me? yeah, she could have gone to jail for that. you're not allowed to do that. she's a -- i think nancy pelosi is a disgrace. by the way, the press will say, oh, he rambled.

you know what that is, that's genius. that's the weave. >> joining me now are cnn all-stars who spent all year covering this wild campaign. john lee, jeff zeleny, and nia- malika henderson. the last inside politics" before the election. i turn to the former host of this program. what's your big-picture takeaway? what are you looking at? >> so the polls tell you it's the most razor- close, complicated election in the ten i've done. this is my tenth presidential election. that does not mean it won't break. that does not mean, like in 20 16 and 2020, the winner will have a pretty big edge in the electoral college. so my take for people at home would be, prepare for anything. prepare that one candidate sweeps most of the battleground states, could be either one of them, or prepare that we do have a heavyweight, state by state. we don't know, because it is so close. there's a smidgen, i think, if you look deep into the data,

that democrat are making the case, they see a smidgen of momentum. okay, we'll see if that's enough. for me, it comes down to, what is the harris coalition? trump is the constant. this is his third time. never has anybody's lifetime have we had the same candidate three times in a row. can she get above 48 in battleground states? >> or can he increase that somehow? >> can he? but he hasn't in the past two. and throughout this one, you know, there's -- he has always overperformed, in both 2016 and 2020, in the battleground states, he overperformed his last poll number. does that hold true? if so, then it's pretty easy to get you a trump path to victory, if he overperforms his final number. or have the pollsters finally figured out his number and that's how it is. we don't know the answer to that question. we like, just let people vote. don't worry about the data. let's count votes. >> jeff zeleny, you just got

off a plane from michigan where where kamala ended her day. what'd you see? >> struck by how differently these candidates are closing. we can read somewhat into that, but not much. they're both sort of true to form. last night, i was at vice president harris' rally in east lansing, michigan, on the state of michigan state university, not surprisingly the date of early voting. it was an optimistic message, hopeful, did not message donald trump's name once, the word fascist or anything else she has been doing in the recent days. i was out with her last week in wisconsin as well, where she was doing that. she's trying to close in a hopeful way. he is not. but that is also his brand and this is what she's trying to say. to john's point about the coalition, it's so interesting. this is not the obama coalition, this is not the biden coalition, this is the harris coalition. is it going to be enough? one of my questions that i kind of have in my head and we'll find out later, which one is viewed as the candidate of change? and what kind of change do voters want? there are a lot of

republicans or moderate independents who don't identify as democrats, who do support her. because they have had enough of donald trump. there is an exhaustion factor for donald trump. however, depending on where you get your news, there is also some people who think that vice president harris is responsible for the border, entirely responsible for all of the economy, it's almost like president biden is not there, and they just cannot see her in the oval office. so this is an america where we are not operating on the same set of facts. so that is why this is election is so close. i am with john. there is absolutely no way that i would even suggest who's going to win. we have no idea. it is that close. it feels that close. talking to voters who are sort of our north stars out there, they are divided about this. >> mj, i just want to play a little bit of what jeff was just referring to, some of the closing arguments from this weekend in particular, donald trump and

then kamala harris. >> she will get completely overwhelmed, melt down, and millions of people will die. they are fighting so hard to steal this damn thing. we had the safest border in the history of this country the day that i left. i shouldn't have left. to get me, somebody would have to shoot through the fake news and i don't mind that so much, because -- i don't mind. >> i am not looking to score political points, i am looking to make progress. i don't believe people who disagree with me are the enemy. in fact, i'll give them a seat at the table! >> yeah, i mean, i completely endorse what john was saying earlier, that this is the moment in the campaign where we don't have to talk so much about the data and the information, but the one thing we can actually talk about is just the vibes that we are getting from

the campaigns and the voters that we're talking to. i was on the phone with a senior campaign harris person who is so anxious that they don't want to be holed up at hq. they would rather be just out there. so they're in one of the battleground states for the final days and they were saying, they are really looking at two main questions. as they're going around these organizing events and seeing what kinds of people are showing up, one is, are the people that are showing up the people that you would expect to show up? or are you also seeing people that are showing up for the first time, and they said, it's definitely the latter. the second question they're zeroed in on, are you seeing people showing up with fear of the other guy, or people showing up because of joy about the candidate that they're supporting. and they're seeing a mix of both. there are definitely people who are clear- eyed about the stakes and they're definitely paying attention to the things that donald trump is saying, but they're also seeing the, you know, homemade t-

shirts, the people who are really excited to be volunteering for the first time. and all of this is just vibes. it's all anecdotal. and we'll know, hopefully some time this week, is it just anecdotal or is it actually everything? >> yeah, listen, hopefully this week. >> yeah, i think there are some dynamics that we do know. we do know that gender will play a huge role in this. they see the huge gender divide. she's doing much better among women, he's doing much better among men. women obviously show up to vote a little bit more than men do and have a higher rate of showing up. that's good news for the kamala harris campaign. this iowa poll also shows that she's doing well among independents. we'll talk about that. i mean, so, there are some dynamics that we know -- but there are other dynamics. the ground game, right? what is this ground game going to be like for the kamala harris campaign? they didn't have much of a ground game in 2020, because it was 2020, because it was mail-

in voting and the pandemic years. so what is that going to be like? you know, in terms of donald trump, he seems to think that he can outsource some of that ground game. we'll see if that holds up . >> and the ground game is making sure that the people who you know are your voters get out, but it's also the late-breakers. it's a very small sliver, but here is just some of what those late breakers, if they are tuning in and looking at some of the headlines, the kind of thing that they're seeing. these are from newspapers and news sites. trump doesn't rule out banning vaccines if he becomes president, trump attacks lids lids liz cheney as war hawks, calls puerto rico island of garbage, former chief of staff says he fits the fascist definition. whether it's in these more traditional news outlets, or whether you're getting something on your phone. and one of the -- the reason you left this seat is to go out

and spend the entire year talking to those undecided voters. i want to play for our viewers what joan london told you back in august and what she just told you. >> if donald trump or j.d. vance really says something so outrageously offensive, that could drive me to vote for vice president harris, but it's highly unlikely. she just doesn't -- she doesn't represent my values, my beliefs about policy. i needed to vote against allowing him to become president again. i don't want it on my conscience that i contributed in some way to that. sometimes you have to say, american first, conservative second, republican third. >> so a couple of things about that. she's a nikki haley voter, a reagan republican. she ned the republican party when she was 18 years old, back in 1988. she was going to write in pat toomey. she watched the debate and

watched donald trump said, i'll negotiate an end to the war to the with vladimir putin, she said, i'm done. i'm voting for kamala harris. no reagan conservative would appease a communist country. she's going to vote for harris, even show she disagrees with just about everything. she'll write a lot of letters to the white house complaining about policy, but she wants to get her old republican party back. are there enough joan londons in pennsylvania? there are 155,000 people who voted for nikki haley a couple of months after she was gone from the race. that's a protest vote. that's a, i want to vote against donald trump. not only do i don't support him, but i want to vote against him. can she get enough of them. joan lives in rks county, think about loudoun county in virginia. if states are going to turn from purple to blue, that's what happens. democrats make gains in the excerpts. are there enough of her to do that in pennsylvania. to the other point about those headlines, arizona and nevada on monday and tuesday of this week. that blew up on latino, spanish- speaking social media. it blew up. and if donald --

if kamala harris can win one of those two states or both, and the latino vote swings her way, that will be the reason. there are two guys in nevada i was talking to, who were reluctant to talk about their choices. one was a spanish- language radio station there. he said, i'm voting for harris. he was reluctant to talk about it. >> as a direct result of -- >> direct result. he said, it was insulting, racist. he's a mexican american. he talked about mexicans just keep having babies and things like that, and he said, done. that's the mood in the community, it changed like that. >> one of the reasons that the harris campaign was so upset that president biden stepped in it, it slowed that entire week being about that. >> and she's going to a puerto rican restaurant in pennsylvania. >> she's going to allentown. >> i was at a milwaukee area rally for the harris campaign on friday night, and talking to voters at that event, i mean, it was stunning how specifically they were able to talk about some of the things that were said at the madison square garden rally. this is all anecdotal, but it

included one voter who said he's got uncles who are donald trump supporters. he knows for a fact that they can no longer support donald trump. he says, the reason is probably going to be because of all of this rhetoric that's coming from the side. >> it was trumpism distilled in a way that we hadn't really seen. not only the rhetoric from the folks on that stage, but the cheering and the laughter from the audience there. it broke through in a way that i think nothing i'd seen so far. >> we're going to sneak in a quick break and talk about what you were bringing up about the female vote, women, making their voices heard. will kamala harris win enough of them to tip the election in her favorite? we're going to break down the data. plus, looking at -- there it is. john king's home starting tomorrow night, maybe tomorrow amp. afternoon. he's going to give us an early look at what he's going to be watching.

welcome back! it's ymca time. you can see the republican candidate for president dancing there at the end of his 90-minute speech, plus at his first stop in north carolina, then he is going to head after this, after he's done with the ymca, he's going to go to pennsylvania, his next stop on this all- important last day of campaigning. meanwhile, let's talk about something that really shocked the political world this weekend. out of all places, a poll from

iowa. in that poll, harris had 47, trump, 44. that's within the margin of error. and listen, if harris wins iowa, we will be having a very different conversation than anybody expects tomorrow. but the eyebrow- raising data lies within. women in iowa favoring harris by 20 points while trump holds just a 14- point lead with iowa men. is that a sign that women all over the country could be even more powerful and decisive in this election than previously thought? my excellent panel is back now. it's a "des moines register" poll. i think there is just one person here who worked for the "des moines register." >> i don't know who that would be! >> once upon a time. >> once upon a time. what do you make of that? i mean, with all the caveats that i just said, what sticks out to you in that poll and why is it that everybody went, oh, my gosh, when we saw it saturday night? >> this campaign started in

iowa and not that long ago, campaigns ended in iowa. it is a state that was a battleground. barack obama won it in '08 and '12. however, this pollster, ann seltzer, who is very well known and respected, she is picking up on something that is happening. john hears it in conversations and i hear it in conversations, it's happening out there at the end of this campaign. this is the first presidential campaign since the dobbs decision. iowa has a six- week abortion ban that just went into effect not that long ago. picking up something. i am skeptical, talking to a variety of others who are on the ground, doing different races there, a couple house seats could be in play. some state legislative seats that iowa is in play presidentially. in the harris campaign thought it was real, they would be there. four years ago on the friday before the election, joe biden went to iowa. they thought they were picking something up, they ended up losing by nine points. i went into that drive- in rally at the iowa state fair. that did not happen. donald trump's not going there

either. however, look what's around iowa. wisconsin, the western part, very important, and nebraska, too. without the blue wall, you still need the blue dot of nebraska, too. so there are some bookends in the region that are interesting. but i think there are limits to what we can draw from this iowa poll. >> well, i was talking to a very smart republican who's done a lot of work in iowa, who made the "look at what's around it" argument. wisconsin, perfect example. if some of the trends inside the iowa poll are accurate, then it bodes well for harris in wisconsin, where it has sort of a similar electorate, except that iowa doesn't have milwaukee. which is a more sort of urban city. >> right, but iowa has a change in des moines. i think a lot of people think of iowa as 20 years ago. it has a change in des moines as young professionals. the insurance industry -- go to des moines now compared to ten years ago, it's a very different city. you have change in a lot of these places that are changing states. i was in iowa right before the democratic convention, right after the harris switch, and democrats were energized. i think jeff makes a key point about the impact of the

abortion ban. look, this is the first presidential election after dobbs. and anecdotally, you do pick up -- and trump has spent the last week insulting women -- >> including what we just showed with him insulting -- >> he has spent the last week insulting women. >> -- michelle obama just now. >> is there a secret vote out there? trump says, how could any vote not tell her husband who she was voting for. forget about that. just do the math. you mentioned milwaukee. the vice president has to get huge black turnout in milwaukee, but what happens in waukesha, right? what happens in a suburb that's probably going to be red at the end of the night. it's about the margins. a lot of people are saying, we won't know the winner tomorrow night. that's probably true. but watch a state like iowa and watch a state like virginia. two states, a ten-point win for joe biden in virginia, eight-point win for trump in iowa last time. are they closer? are they closer? if harris is winning virginia by nine or ten, and only losing iowa by two or three, or four, that tells you something. that tells you at last something happening

out there. so we may not know the pennsylvanians or the georgias tomorrow night, but we may know a lot from other states and whether they're closer and what's happening in the suburbs. >> women, like all groups, are not a monolith, but i know one thing that you were looking at, nia, is white women. and i want to show our viewers, women voters in 2016 and 2020, you know, women overall, and so on and so forth, but white women, donald trump won by nine in 2016 and won by 11 in 2020. what are you looking for this time? >> yeah, i mean -- >> and then look at the difference with college and non-college. >> right, it is a big question as to how this group performs. it is a big demographic, it is obviously a diverse demographic, and you see some of the class divides there. but one of the unifying and perhaps energizing factors is abortion, is reproductive rights. it's where kamala harris has staked her campaign in many ways. you think about her going to texas, beyonce was there,

and kelly was there. talking about freedom and talking about this issue. and listen, when i just sort of anecdotally talk to women, whether it's at a salon or whatever, that's what they mention, right? reproductive rights. do you have a right to your own body? and so, i think -- and i said this before on your show, i think women and abortion, those are going to be the deciding factors in this campaign. not the economy, i think it's going to be abortion and obviously, it's an issue that harris has hammered home. and it actually has moved voters. we have seen that in a way that the economy always has. >> real quick? >> i think it's just worth emphasizing that when we're talking about the issue of reproductive rights, it's not just women and their votes, it is their husband's, their boyfriend's, their daughters'. you know, talking to a voter in wisconsin on friday who is a nurse practitioner. she says, she has so many parents coming into the

practice saying, for my daughter, i would like to get long- term contraceptive, because i don't know what this is going to look like under donald trump. >> we'll have to take a break. i have just been told that megan kelly is going to be speaking at donald trump's last rally, megan kelly from the blood coming out of her whatever fame. interesting turn. there are a whole lot of roads to 270. don king will break them all down, next.

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welcome back. it is election eve. and i am with john king at the magic wall. as kamala harris and donald trump will make their final pitch to voters, john, i want to start with a flashback. 2016, the first time donald trump was on any ballot. it was the day before. here's what happened. >> for 98 days, she has led the race. that's why a lot of people, the technical people, the people that do this for a living saying it's not a brexit situation. but that's what donald trump is counting on. if you're behind in the polls, you can defy them with a great operation. donald trump in may, just counting on it be this huge, come out of the woodwork. >> as someone who has watched him very -- we all have, but i've really studied his candidacy over the past year and a half, the ups and downs, that he's fallen off the discipline wagon. >> turns out he's once again fallen off the discipline wagon, but will it matter? >> here's to a 2016 flashback. this is where we were on this day in 2016, where

our projections at hillary clinton at 268, knocking on the door of 270 electoral votes and the white house. but look at this map. we had the blue wall leaning blue on that day, right? she lost all three of those to donald trump, which is why everybody at home, be prepared for anything to happen tomorrow, in the sense that you can be leading by a little bit. but we knew there was trump movement at the end. the question was, she had led the race for so long, was it enough to overcome? it turned out on election day, it is enough to overcome. where are we now? we're in a much less clear situation. let me just quickly do this. in 2020, we already had joe biden over the top. it was pretty clear from the data that joe biden was going to win the election the day before the election. we still had to wait for the count because of the pandemic complexities of the election. but it was pretty clear. and you had to deal with the question, is donald trump surprising us again in 2020, and he did not. here's where we are now. so the vice president, it's a modest lead, but she's had a consistent lead here. modest lead, but a consistent lead here. that would get her there. this

is why pennsylvania so important. this is why both candidates are spending so much time and have spent so much -- >> and she's going to be there the entire day. today. >> right and she's going to the right places to get votes. if she holds these, but she's had a modest, consistent lead in both of those states. if she holds these, that's enough. as long as she picks up nebraska's second congressional district, where all the polling shows she's running strong. that's the easiest path. that's the easiest path. if she doesn't win is, say donald trump wins that, how does harris get there? you have to win at least two more. even these two aren't enough. they're not big enough in terms of how many electoral votes they have. that's why pennsylvania is so prominent here. if you're donald trump, you think, if you win pennsylvania, that you're going to do this again, right? that you're going to defy the polling again and going to do this. >> because almost always, except for it was 88 that they didn't vote together. >> they voted together since 1992. they have voted -- the three of them have voted together

since 1992. in every other election, they have voted blue. will we know the winner here tomorrow night? maybe not, but we might be the winners here. even if donald trump wins the blue wall, he still has to win somewhere else. if you're winning the three of these, it's a pretty safe bet you're going to win one or two of these. that's why this is so key. it's 19 -- this is 16. you think, that's only 3. but when you're trying to get to 270, if you have a, he wins one, she wins one, you get into this wild card race. if donald trump were to win the whole blue wall, this is what's fascinating to me. let's just -- these are the whiter, older states. demographically, they should favor him. these have been more republican states of late. but let's say donald trump won all of that. can the vice president still win? yes, but she would have to pull off a sun belt sweep. you would have to come across and do the entire -- come on. she would have to do all the sawn belt states. it would be a very different map, a map like we've never seen before. but 2020 was a map with

arizona and georgia flipping like we've never seen before. which is why, you know, these are the three that most likely will decide who goes to the dance. who gets 1600 pennsylvania avenue. these are three likely to decide it. but again, we live in this crazy year, where there's many patz and many different ways to get there. and we could blow-by- blow or state by state. >> we'll have to let the voters vote and we'll tell you what happens. >> math. coming up, preparing plan "b. " donald trump is continuing to push baseless claims about voter fraud in case election day doesn't go his away. we'll explain the lies and the danger, next.

nearly every poll shows that this race is virtually tied, so let's be clear. it could end with donald trump or kamala harris winning. but if it is harris, few people expect to hear a trump concession speech. in fact, before ballots have even been counted before election day, trump is laying the ground work to baselessly claim the election was stolen. >> they want to -- they are fighting so hard to steal this damn thing. look at what's going on. look at what's going on in your state. every day, they're talking about extending hours. these elections have to be -- they have to be decided by 9:00, 10:00, 11:00 on tuesday

night. a bunch of crooked people. these are crooked people. >> yeah, that's not a thing that happens. our reporters are back now. is again, it is very possible that trump could win this outright, legit. but it's not going to happen that they're going to be done counting, for lots of reasons. primarily, the laws of these key states, mj. north carolina and arizona, new laws may delay reporting of early votes, pennsylvania and wisconsin, mail- in ballots are not processed until election day. nevada, ballots postmarked on election day are accepted, even if they arrive by november 9th . >> and all of that is why we have been doing so much work to prepare our eaders and viewers on what kind of scenarios we might expect and let it sink into people's heads, the potential slowness that we might see in the counting and certain states being called, that all of that is within the realm of

possibility. and that has translated for the harris campaign on actually predicting over and over again, in all of their public statements, we fully expect that donald trump is going to either declare victory or say that something has gone awry, something sinister is at play, so that they can almost numb people to that possibility. so that when he does it, there aren't people that are saying, oh, my gosh, is this a thing that's happening that we should be suspicious of? they want people to have heard that over and over again. >> everyone should take a deep breath. it's been a long campaign, but it is over almost soon. one thing that i'm sort of struck by this, as we talked to voter, january 6th and the election denialism is part of this campaign now. it was not the last campaign. that was after 2020. so this is driving some voters to the polls. i met a woman in wisconsin last week who said she is voting in this election. her main issue is january 6th. so, all of this, every time that the former president says it, he is sort of driving some people potentially. but let's all take a deep

breath, because it may not take all week, but it may. >> i talked to tim scott, who is a supporter. he came on state of the union as a surrogate for donald trump, asked him about the lies that donald trump has been telling. let's watch that. >> i would never tell any candidate on the ballot to talk about what happens if they lose. obviously, you're going to lean into the victory especially -- >> i appreciate that, senator. forgive me, but spreading false rumors -- >> -- that says you're running ahead of your candidate. >> but saying false things on fraud -- you think it's okay to spread false rumors about fraud and undermine the integrity of the election, regardless of what happens? >> dana, the liberal media has done a better job of spreading misinformation -- >> oh, come on, senator. >> -- of any candidate i've seen so far. >> the crime there is he knows better and yet they just keep saying it. donald trump knows better and he just keeps saying it.

and the impact of the crime is that you talk to dozens of really hard- working, honest americans who are trump voters, who have now, this is in their bloodstream, do not trust the media, do not trust the count, do not trust the honest people who count the votes in their own county, who are their neighbors, who are their friends. and so, that, to me, it's reprehensible, number one. he didn't complain after he won in 2016, funny, right? he doesn't complain about the system when he wins, only complains when he loses. but they have put so much poison in the well, so that they can challenge it. and and he's had, sadly, a lot of help from the maga media echo chamber, who have said, there's no way she can win, she's incompetent. it's not donald trump, he's had a lot of help from senator scott but also the maga media echo

sphere. >> and sarah murray has a terrific piece on cnn. com about taking a look at georgia and it's republican versus republican there. you have republicans putting out information on videos that are just not true, and you have the republican leadership in the state saying, stop. do not believe this. >> listen, and thank goodness for those folks who were in leadership in some of those states. they were crucial in 2020, as the trump campaign and trump himself tried to overturn the election. so we hope that firewall remains in states like georgia. you know, i am confident that americans are smart. we've sort of seen this movie before in term of the trump playbook, of seeding the waters with some of these conspiracy theories, even before the votes are cast and all counted. so i do take some comfort in that. that there has been an education, a sort of trial by fire, because of donald trump and americans are sort of hip to the games and the conspiracy theories coming out of his mouth. >> it is an honor to have all of you here on

this last "inside politics" before election day. thank you so much. but don't go anywhere. after the break, as harris and trump vy to be the 47th president, we sat down with number 42. president bill clinton. had an exclusive conversation, really fascinating. we'll bring some of it to you, next.

one of vice president harris' busiest surrogates is former president bill clinton. he's been kris crossing the country doing ten- hour days. >> i'm here obviously because of donald trump.

but, i'm campaigning for making speeches. >> other than making speeches, the 78-year- old has said little to the media, that is until isaac duever got his exclusive with bill clinton. there he is now. hi, isaac. so president clinton got pretty candid about the democrats' fierce the country might not survive another four years of trump. i want our viewers to listen to what he told you on that. >> i think you have to look at what the definition of "survive" means. you can put me on a really, but it wouldn't be like surviving, like i'm surviving now. the same thing is true i think it would a travesty if he became president.

>> isaac, take it away. >> that was us riding a bus between benton harbor, michigan, and battle creek michigan. part of this really busy schedule that president clinton has been keeping up. and it is taking him to places where democrats usually don't go. certainly where presidents have not gone before. almost ever. and when i wanted to talk to him about is, he is the guy who tapped into the white working class vote himself. his wife, obviously, was the one who lost to donald trump in 2016. and he is the only person on the planet who has been president and knows both of these candidates personally. he has a view also of his own presidency, sort of the fruits of it coming out at this point. and being able to really see the scope of it. and he said to me, he thinks kamala harris will win. he's excited for her to be president. but he's really quite disturbed about where things are in politics, whatever happens. and if she does win, he said to me that he looks at the situation and says that he compared it to when fascism was spreading across europe in the 1930s, that people are willing

to go along with things that he says they know aren't good and know aren't true, as long as they feel like things may be were better for them a little bit, and that they are ready to ascribe that, he says, magically, to donald trump. >> isaac, that particular quote really stuck out to me, when he described, as you said, people who were so upset about their economic status and so forth, that they went along with leaders and demagogues, fascists in europe in the 1930s, that they knew really were bad news. i want to totally change gears. there's something else that you talked to president clinton about. i've heard him talk several times in the past year or so about turning 78 and that made him the longest living man in his family in like a million generations. you asked him whether he thinks about his own mortality. let's listen to that. >> i do not think i would live to be 78, because i didn't know about all of the advance s

in heart health, all the things i could do with diet, all of the things that -- now, i would love to be 90 or 100. >> you've got to beat jimmy carter now. >> as long as i can -- >> if he heard that whispered in his ear, he would look behind you. >> if you'll remember, there was that moment at the end of his convention speech in chicago when he said, i don't know how many more conventions i'll get, it made a lot of people think, maybe he was sick or getting too old. that's what that conversation started with. and he said to me toward the end of that bit of the conversation, he said, i know i freaked some out, but i'm fine, other than some problems with my hands. >> yeah, well, all right. such an interesting interview. really fascinating. you could hear the wheels of the bus churning in those audio clips and i encourage everyone to check it out on cnn.com. thanks for joining me, isaac. and we want to remind you again to tune in tomorrow night,

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