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how vp harris and former president trumump or campaignin. and how it could land with the tens of millions. and what she is expecting to see tomorrow. and on this historic election, pulitzer prize-winning. she joins me laugh. thanks for being here with the first verse of election day 2024 just four hours away. close to 80 million in the ballots already cast. to the candidates are in the same place, pittsburgh, making two very different final pitches. the former president's downtown. vp harris is about to speak. and is still making empire. now a national heritage side. it is the next to the last of several appearance for her in the prince philip actually wraps up in philadelphia. just a short time ago, she did some door to door. >> how are you?

>> this is my husband. >> hear some of what she said earlier in scranton. >> and so the way i have always been thinking about our campaign in these next 24 hours is as we are getting out the vote, as we are canvassing, let's be intentional about building community, about building community, about building coalitions, about reminding people we all have so much more in common than what separates us'. she did not mention the former president by name but she was doing what he has done all along, marking and name-calling. >> and the news is breaking today. sleepy joe biden has announced officially that he likes trump. more than he likes kamala. [ cheers and applause ]

and he actually hates my guts. but he likes trump more than he likes -- oh, he hates her. that is saleeby joe. said, i don't want to leave. you are leaving, joe. a bad, sick woman. she is crazy as a bedbug. she is a crazy -- >> well, cnn's priscilla alvarez wants us from pittsburgh where the vice president is speaking. what can you tell us about the final night of the campaign? >> the vice president, her team are trying to tap into that optimism and those good vibes that benefited her from the outset of her campaign. it is a reason she is not mentioning former president donald trump by name and focusing on her vision as she crisscrosses this

battleground state. she was in allentown appealing to latino voters. she was at that canvassing event and went to a local restaurant and did door knocking. all of this to mobilize voters and a harris adviser tells me tonight that that is the direction that the campaign stop has been given head down and focus on mobilizing voters. that is what the vice president's focus on as she comes here to pittsburgh and concludes her campaign. >> philadelphia. later today. pennsylvania is crucial to their pathway to 270. senior campaign officials projecting confidence about multiple pathways to 270 electoral votes. but certainly this is a state that they are very, very focused on. knowing that the republican rival is doing much of the same. also at play here, anderson, is the ground game. that has been here in this state. spoke to a senior campaign official who told me they've been building this infrastructure for at least a

year. have been putting it in the red counties and the blue candies. they think that that is what is going to take them to the finish line. so again, the vice president going to be coming here to pittsburgh to deliver that message of optimism as she closes out her campaign trail tomorrow, part of a, she will be doing radio interviews from the naval observatory before she heads to her on election night event in washington, dc. anderson? >> thanks so much. the former president is also in pittsburgh. from there, he will close out his campaign in grand rapids, michigan. christian holmes is there. how is the former president making the final case tonight? >> reporter: they are viewing pittsburgh as his closing message. they understand the timing of the pittsburgh rally is when everyone is watching television on the eve of actually hitting the polls. donald trump is supposed to be delivering the remarks that everyone has wanted him to be delivering for the last six months.

that kamala harris was part of the biden administration. she had 3 1/2 years to fix the economy, to fix the border and she did not. we know it is donald trump. so he has started somewhat talking about that. but also he has gone off message. telling various stories about his time in office, his time campaign. be we will see what the final message is. i tell you one thing. there's been a lot of calls between the allies and advisers, head of the campaign, trying to ensure that donald trump actually delivers the message they want him to deliver. everyone that i've spoken to on the campaign believes that of those voters who are going to cast their ballots on the sticks, most of them have made up their mind, they are mind, they are going to vote for. but they also think that if donald trump says something that is wildly inappropriate, that is something that is off script, obviously comments that he is likely or has done in the past, that that could actually influence people not to show up at the polls on tuesday. so they. so they'll try to keep them on a strict wish. again, it is told from.

we have seen in the kind of remarks he has made over the past 48 hours. whether or not they are being successful, the question remains to be seen. they are feeling cautiously optimistic about this election. we will see what happens when those voters actually head to the polls. >> that's turned to shawn king with on the election. let's start off with vp harris. what is her path? >> i want to show people, look, it is planco ernie banks and then tomorrow, we will have more votes in this while. it is time. that is upon us. it is the night before the election. we are talking about the vice president. how does she get up to 270? there is a reason she is spreading her entirety of in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. she has at 226 right now. that is 19. you get of those 19. you are well on your way and the blue wall states, michigan and wisconsin including have voted together since 1992. donald trump won them in 2016.

that was the huge surprised that make donald trump president. if the vice president can win those blue wall states, that is to 70 right there. no past it is but that is her easiest path and those have been democratic states. that is where the start, and she get there without them? let's say donald trump repeated 2016. and then he took all three blue wall states, and the vice president win that? she can. it would require north carolina, it would require georgia. it will require arizona and it would require nevada. so the blue wall strategy. there's a sun belt to. both candidates essentially the same path. trump would need a little bit more. trump can't win with just the blue wall. he. he would have to pick up something else along the way. the other scenarios, what if there's a mix and match? that is when it but gets really interesting, if michigan and wisconsin went through. then you're in a scramble to get

to 270. that is unusual. it is not normally happen. but this has been an unusual year. >> where will you be watching to see which candidate has an advantage? >> reporter: so let's switch maps and go quickly. the first results come in from places that we don't think we'll be competitive. they still might teach us lessons. let's go back to 2020. let's pull up the state of kentucky. actually, i want to go back to 2016 and pull up the state of kentucky. it was right here in these came in. you saw overwhelming turnout in these red rural areas in 2016, herod and romney, higher than push. that is what told us donald trump was a phenomenon. that is what i will be looking for. since trump has been on the ballot, we can judge trump by his 2016 and his 2010 performance. and then which is used georgia as an example and let's go back to 2020. we start getting results along the east coast. kamala harris, the vice president, is she turning off that were democratic base? or black voters coming out not

only is she getting a higher percentage but what is the mass? is she getting big numbers? that is critical for her as we look at that. that you come down from there. and you look at, the thing i will be looking at, whether it is georgia, whether it is' pennsylvania, whether it is, wisconsin, the father out suburbs, the acts close in suburbs are reliably blue. and those are the ones that tend to be more competitive. donald trump at 42 like he was in 2020. or is he at 47 like he was in 2016? it offered for -- if donald trump is a higher number in the suburbs as opposed to when he thanked in 2020, trump than would be more competitive. look at the building blocks of everybody's place and look in the early results just to see if you're getting any clues in one place that you can then extrapolate across the map. expect all right, john king, thanks. we will come back to you. joining us now is he slides bottoms. and commentator kate bedingfield and david urban. you look at the map. where is your head at? >> the reality is we don't know.

this is a historically that was and to put this historical moment in the contacts, this is a former president who lost, who tried to steal an election, who was convicted on 34 felony counts who has clung to power and had the strongest hold on the gop than anyone has had in 20 years. donald trump is someone i never sleep on. i've seen him come back with things. that said, he is coming against his own self-interest headwinds. he has had a terrible closing message. he has been and a swing and a window that late breakers, and in the final stretch. juxtaposed to her, kamala harris, has been doing the grunt work on the ground work. but she is also delivering a coherent message. she is talking about the future looking vision. she is talking about what she is going to do as president. i think that momentum is behind her. will not be surprised by either outcome. >> i agree with a lot of what alyssa said. i think if you look at the data, which we don't know how much the early vote data is telling us

about what is going to happen because 2020 was obviously an unprecedented year. democrats were voting by mail. and we have had trouble telling his supporters to go out and vote early. who knows how much of the republican turnout but now is actually cannibalizing your election. that if you look at the gender gap in these early numbers, i think there is reason to believe that the harris message particularly in a post-dobbs america is registering with frankly to suburban voters, john king were just talking about, who will ultimately put her over the top. we don't know because we don't know what turnout is going to look at joseph look like tomorrow and take the courts are indicators in this gender gap that are good signs, is a good sign for kamala harris. >> we felt good. we are optimistic. we have always said that this was going to be a closed campaign in the polls. but i can tell you, anderson, i've never seen a candidate close more poorly than donald trump from dogcatcher to city council member.

this is the worst i've ever seen a candidate close and you look at the vice president, she is closing strong. she is very positive about her message, reminding the american people what is on her to-do list. how she is going to deliver on the economy, how she is going to make life better with those kitchen table issues. and then we have jobs that still hanging out there. women are very unhappy with donald trump. and his taking credit for the dobbs decisions and people, women especially are going to remember that. >> david, are you optimistic? it seems like there's a lot of feelings. it feels like -- >> one, two, three. >> please explain. >> listen, i think this. >> you think the trump campaign is finishing strong? >> thinks the city of pittsburgh, my hometown, right? you have sarah huckabee sanders there. you have tulsi gabbard, you have megyn kelly there.

listen. listen. he finishes strong. in the front row we have sandy jones. you have roberto clemente junior. a revered figure in the city of philadelphia and the city of pittsburgh and in puerto rico. he is one of the iconic figures in baseball the -- history. i'm hoping donald trump is taking to the script that she was talking about. >> i missed it yesterday. trump complaining about his microphone friday night. >> oh, no. [ laughter ] >> yeah, i think the mic sticks. you want to see me not the hell out of people? on seating. i'm working my ass off with this stupid mic. [ laughter ] way too low. >> he did not like the mic

placement. he went on a ranch. to the mayor's point, americans are reminded that 75% of americans feel we are on the wrong track, right? kamala harris, she says a to-do list. she has had it for 40 years. that is what americans are thinking. in the gate in the gate, starting on day one. but have you been doing, madam vice president? if you're one of the most powerful people in the room, you are either is superpowerful or you are not. so i think a lot of americans are saying, what have you been doing? and then to the vote and what kate is talking about, at this point in time in 2020, we are in a pandemic. at this point in time in 2020, joe biden had already banged up 1.4 million votes against donald trump in the commonwealth of pennsylvania. window because of the ballots. it is far short of that. so i asked kate. i asked the mayor. i ask any democrat to tell me, where is kamala harris going to make of those folks? not with the jewish community.

>> but those numbers only hold if the 20 to the model is accurate. and we don't know. we don't know what internet is going to look like. yes, of course you can make assumptions. you can look at the data that you have available and try to divine where it is going back to into total turnout, you don't know this. >> we're looking at -- stack you asked a question. >> we talked about this a minute ago. but you also don't know how many of those republican voters would have come out and vote on election day. so we can't know with certainty that any republican who has cast their early vote is not a word that in 2020 was being cast on election day. soe -- >> we do know. we do know a little bit. about 40% of them, first time. i just ask the question. kamala harris and anybody in america can answer this, is she more popular than barack obama in 2008? is she more popular than joe biden in 2020? if she isn't, then she is going to lose. expect but i think this is it. donald trump has hit his ceiling. i really believe when something is happening with women.

-- i heard from a woman who said i have not voted for a democratic since carter but i voted for kamala harris. even if reproductive freedom is not your leading value, you have lived in a world where he had options and then juxtaposed with the closing message that just shows character that is not what you want your kids to look up to. he explain the very -- >> in the commonwealth of pennsylvania, abortion, 23 weeks, you have a democratic governor. >> but people vote beyond the prostate's. but you also have women that feel that title ix has been gutted by this administration. that they are pissed off. they don't want boys in the locker room. >> let me tell you, in 2020, i "the great poet andre 3,000. this year, women have something to say. and the great thing is that the vice president is not just focusing on women. she is focusing on americans. so your gut women who are

energized across this country. you have got young people who have their to-do list as well who want to see things move in a direction that is going to make life better for them. donald trump is not offering that to anyone in this country. he is not talking about a $25,000 in down payment assistance for first-time home buyers. he is not talking about a $6,000 credit towards families who are having children for the first time. he is talking about microphones. that is not a great -- >> we will take a quick break. we have a closer look at the world is when you counties. and later, we will talk with nancy pelosi on her take and what she is going to be looking at tomorrow.

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let's start in a place, one of his favorite places, butler county in western pennsylvania. both candidates just south of butler county. let's go back to the 2020 map. berkeley county is the place donald trump is most likely to win it more likely to win big tomorrow tomorrow. look at the margin. in 2020, donald trump gets 66. joe biden gets 33. marmartin's matter in the battleground state. hillary clinton gets only 29. those are those blue-collar workers. mostly high school educated. joe biden did joe biden dave perelman hillary clinton. he closed the margins, and it helped him win the state. that is just one place you look for. pennsylvania happens to have two of 25. there are 25 counties in america that voted twice for barack obama and for donald trump and then for joe biden. they are erie county in the top left, the northwest corner. look at 49 to 49, right? that is one place i will watch tomorrow night. over the, it has been writes. its campaign is all the way over

here. northampton county. again, voted twice for obama than f for trump and then for biden. so they picked winners. you're going. you are going to luke jaeger. and there's another place i think it's fascinating. chester county. we always focus in delaware. the three collar counties around philadelphia. mitt romney won chester county. obama won it and then romney got a backpack they are increasingly turning blue. trump card 41. if you round out to 2020. got 43, right? donald trump's kryptonite is the suburbs. nancy loo -- nancy pelosi becomes a speaker because of ofe revolt in america's suburbs. and then the continued revolt against donald trump. can donald trump improve his standing just a bit to get back to 2016 in the philadelphia suburbs? then he can win the commonwealth and win the election. the vice president was door knocking in reading here today. this is a red county, berks county. but biden got 45.

clinton, 43. but you might think that two the point does not matter. in eight states divided by 40,000 voters in 2016, 80,000 votes in 2020, guess what, that margin matters. what can she do out here? again, the quicker it is. it is a red counties. you have philadelphia. you have the suburbs around it. and increasingly, democrats are competing for in what used to be farmland. used to be excerpts. used to be the big box stores. i was in bucks county not that long ago, just a week or so ago and when you get out of there you see when you drive in? what used to be formed and is now neatly lined up suburban homes. yes, there's still farming out here. but this is an opportunity for democrats and a big test if donald trump can't hold the red counties. if he is at 53, then the vice president is in play. if the vice president's down where hillary clinton is, then you have a different race. pennsylvania is an incredibly complicated state. that is why it is so important. if you can win pennsylvania, you are most likely waiting michigan, wisconsin, and the

other background. >> thank-you. david, i want to ask you this. for both trump and for harris, what would you be looking at as those early results come in in pennsylvania as signs for trump winning work signs for harris? >> i think the city of philadelphia chance off and i think john would agree with this, you get those numbers in early, she does not make a big number of votes there. a big number out of the city of philadelphia, it is going to be a hard for her to keep those margins in these other counties. the way that trump won in 2016 and nearly squeaked it out is all the smaller counties, up to 60 counties, right? instead of getting 5,000 votes, you get 6,000 votes. you do that in 60 counties, that matters as john is talking about. all of these kind of red counties out west and then in chester county, that has gotten very blue. right? these -- this is the realignment in national politics. these are college educated, you know, affluent folks who used to be our own republicans and now

they are joe biden, kamala harris democrats and the people in pennsylvania used to be kind of rock red joe biden and randel democrats. not donald trump republicans. really is a big one. that will be early and i think we will be able to tell us what happens from there. if kamala harris gets a big number, it is hard to overcome's back and listen, there's a reason why the vice president is campaigning in reading. we know that joe biden won by just 80,000 votes last time. nikki haley got 150,000 pounds in the republican primary. so there are these sort of suburban adjacent maybe typical republican voters but are looking for something other than turner turnpike that is an area where she can't stand to gain. also, the latino vote is going to be important. here's half a million puerto ricans in pennsylvania. donald trump stepped on it with that massive rally. so harris is trying to leave nothing on the table. donald trump spent a lot of time in pennsylvania for the last two

times that he man. he knows the state well, and he knows where he needs to be. >> you are talking about the importance of philadelphia. what do you think about the outreach donald trump, trying to get as many black latino voters as possible? >> he can't been speaking to voters for a long time since 2020. he has been in their social media feeds. most of it has been disinformation and misinformation. but he has been communicating, which is the reason that the vice president has been very strong in her messaging and making sure that she is talking directly to voters about those issues that matter to them. so for african-american voters, she is talked about this record low unemployment rate is that we have seen for african-americans. she is talking about student loan forgiveness. we know a lot of students receive pell grants and financial aid, et cetera. she is talked about these things that matter to voters directly. the she is not taking any one for granted. i want to say even on

pennsylvania, i believe part of 5% of the population is polish-american. i think -- yeah. his position on ukraine, i think it is going to be -- i think it is going to come back to bite him in pennsylvania. >> you know, harris has oprah winfrey, lady gaga appearing in pennsylvania. trump has mike pompeo and megyn kelly. i mean, obviously hillary clinton had a star-studded affair and it did not help. does this matter? >> i think it is interesting in that it tells you who trump is trying to reach. mike pompeo and megyn kelly are people who speak to the very sort of -- i won't use the word "narrow" but targeted maga base. they are not meant to expand donald trump's which bears a big pop star like lady gaga is somebody who can command headlines and might reach people who are not already down into politics and already dialed into

the inner, on trump's side to truck world. and i think it tells you a little bit about where the campaigns are in his final 24 hours. at the end of the day, it is ultimately going to matter? you know, we're down to wire here. i think we are trying to do is get people off the couch and out to vote and you know, and i think ultimately harris is closing -- harris's closing message is going to be more important. it is interesting to look at who they are trying to message. >> so it is interesting, anderson. you would argue, you know, that harris has this machine well organized and it is going great and trump has this patchwork, right? but to trump voters, i keep saying this, on the spinal tap scale, go to 11. they 11. they are going to show up. they are dragging their neighbors. >> we don't know. >> listen. in 2016 -- >> we met come back to that tomorrow. >> the clintons team had it incredible.

>> it is so different now. is back how is it different? >> donald trump benefited from a lot of ambiguity. now he is up against the more dynamic -- >> arguably his support has increased in the state of pennsylvania. i see young hispanic guys wearing mega hats. i was on the train yesterday and this african-american couple say, congratulations. good job. i hope trump wins. he expanded that he has expanded it. >> i think when you -- you are relying on the least reliable lot of voters, young man, not having an organized operation to know who you still need to reach and get them to the polls, it could be the difference. expect in a marginal race. >> the rally tonight in philadelphia, i was there in 2016. i went to the clinton rally. and i thought -- >> how did you sneak in? >> 30,000 people. listen, it was a great concert.

i thought to myself, we are going to lose. and then i woke up at the people of pennsylvania said, no, you are wrong, david. >> you know what will matter? doesn't donald trump stick to the script tonight? the slate pickers who have not decided how they are voting. if he goes off the rails, he is not pulling the estate. >> or pulling a million doors in pennsylvania. >> up next, two very closing -- very different closing messages. nancy pelosi joins us next to discuss.

the former president's final pitch to voters focused on migrants and there were bizarre tangents including kamala harris's appearance on "saturday night live" including the moderators at his debate and nfl moderators and a fantasy about penn state wrestlers taking on migrants in a fight and a violent tendency proposed by an audience member about getting mike tyson to fight vp harris.

>> mike has been through a lot but he could fight, let me tell ya. that guy can fight. can you imagine mike? mike in the ring with kamala. >> joining me is house speaker nancy pelosi. you very famous for your counting abilities. a lot of pundits were saying it was going to be a red wave. you were right. what is your feeling about tomorrow? >> tomorrow is a great day. it is a great of them -- they of democracy in our country and for us, election day is not just election day. it is the weeks leading up to it, what happens that day. at what happens in the days following it. and we are ready. i feel very confident about what has been happening in terms of dialing, calling people about voting, door knocking, and digital. millions and millions and millions of calls going out for our house races and of course

for kamala harris. so we on the ground. that is what i say to people. we have to have mobilization. we have to get the message. but you must own the ground and right now, the democrats on the ground. so i feel confident about tomorrow. of course, no one can predict when an election will be until people vote. but i feel very confident about where we are. >> the two candidates are obviously closing their campaigns in completely different ways. vice president hears is not even using the name of the former president and he is mocking you, talking about reporters getting shot. wanted to make of the closing messages? >> kamala harris has a message of hope, a new way for. am so proud of her. the other guy, he is a message of the fear. imagine talking about mike tyson fighting. what is that? what is that. but anyway, we don't agonize about him. we organize around her.

and again, we are so proud. i heard one of your previous guests say, why didn't she do this while she was vice president, she did. she did. 16 million jobs and the previous -- the current administration, biden/harris. the other guy had the worst job creation record, since herbert. the chats asked to keep us self-reliant. infrastructure bill. more investments stem in education. so many more young people could participate and exploring prescription drug prices. from six to five to $600 a month for seniors on -- to $35 a month for seniors. so this is what they want to reverse while we are saving the planet. i was with some little children and they will live until the next century. so will your little children, until the next century and we have to make sure we have a planet that is sustainable and healthy for them, a democracy

that is strong and a society that is fair. that is what kamala harris is about. no use talking about his, shall we say, they generating mental capacity. let's just talk about what she brings to it. >> the former president said the only way he can lose is if the action was great. liz cheney was asked if she thinks johnson will undermine the election? i want to play a script of what she said. >> i think speaker johnson will do the right thing. >> he want. i think that is why it is so important that the republicans not be in the majority come january 2025. expect you were obviously speaker in january 6, 2021. how concerned are you about that and what option would be available if he is still speaker of the house to try to come up -- >> hakeem jeffries will be the speaker of the house. i don't know what the market

will be. but i know that we have the votes to win the house. i don't -- i think it would be shameful if the current speaker were to say that he is not going to accept the results of the election. when i was there 3 1/2 years a ago, self-serving knee, they told me you are going to have to accept the results of the electoral college in an undisclosed location silently in this -- know, we're not. we are in the floor of the house to show the american people and the world that democracy has prevailed and this -- and they field the instruction caused by the former president of the notion that the president of the united states. so hakeem will be the speaker. that will happen. that is what i spent a great deal of my time on in addition to the push electing kamala harris president of the nine states. i feel very confident about that.

the public has to pay attention. president lincoln, let the record show i'm quoting a republican president said public sentiment is everything. with it, you can accomplish almost anything. without it, practically nothing. the american people have to weigh in if they try not to accept the results of the election. but let's not spend a lot of time on that. we're spending our time on getting out the vote, dialing doorknocking, digital communications to make sure that not only does kamala harris win the election and tim walz but also hakeem jeffries will be and we need him there for all of the issues for the children and the rest but we need him on january 6 to make sure that democracy prevails. >> i appreciate your time tonight. thank you. >> thank you. don't forget to vote, everyone. that is our motto. >> i look forward to talking to you again. the mayor, and historical perspective on how they pitch

themselves to close out the 2024 race. it is hard former speaker nancy pelosi talking about lincoln. historian everyone will join us next.

in our speaker at this conversation with nancy pelosi, she talked about a message of hope for the future. she said the former president broadcast a message of fear. and now doris kearns goodwin is the author of a number of bestsellers. it is so great to see you. how do you think history is going to judge what feels like

an unprecedented end to an unprecedented campaign? >> well, i think what we do know from history is that almost all the successful campaigns had an optimistic spirit in the end. promising, the future would be better than what was happening at the time. just think about it. fdr at the height of the depression, his song is "happy days are here again." it was optimistic lyrics, matching his temperament. you get down to jfk. at what is his song? high hopes. high hopes for a new frontier for a better america and that you have ronald reagan talking about mourning in america. you have george bush sr. george bush sr. talking about a kinder, gentler society. and you have george brescia junior talking about that new hope for a more compassionate america. you have obama talking about hope and change for america. all of those we are looking forward as harris has been trying to say we are not going back. contrast to a message that we

are a sick society, a declining society with the politics of vengeance and talking about retribution. it does not seem like history would suggest this is not the winning campaign, the optimistic one is. but of course, history is only telling us what happened in the past. so we will only know by tomorrow whether history is right it is time. >> has there ever been a leader in modern america history focus on retribution as the former president seems to be? >> i have not heard it in my lifetime, certainly. in fact, when i think about the whole idea of retribution and vengeance at a time when you are hopefully trying to broaden the base of your support, you know, what kamala harris has been talking about is the idea of bringing to the table her opponents who are not her enemies, bringing republicans into the cabinet. and i think about old abe lincoln who nancy pelosi mentioned in terms of public sentiment, but he said at the time when the civil war was coming to an end, when many of his supporters were saying,

you've got to get retribution against the people in the south. there should be hanging stephen of the confederate generals, of the confederate leaders and he absolutely turned them away. he said, i want no hangings. i want no retribution. i want to move forward. it is a time for healing. and he said, we have to end this hate. we have to end it. and then those famous words in the second inaugural, if only we could have them today when he talked about the fact that both sides have read the same bible, both prayed into the same god. neither's parents were fully answered and then with malice toward none and charity for all, let us bind up the nation's -- that is what you need at times of trouble. putting up the nation's wound. that is what we need as a country right now. >> i mean, lincoln was so suited to the times to -- that he found himself in, you know, his mom died when he was a child. he helped make the coffin with his father that she was buried in. i mean, that suffering that he himself had experienced, he was

uniquely suited to lead his country at that time and to think that after katrina, winning the civil war, to not give into this idea of retribution against those who, you know, who fought and tried to succeed, that is an extraordinary thing. >> yeah, what it takes is apathy and magnanimity. apathy is the most important quality and i think right now that we need in our country. with the polarization and people feeling that the people on the other side are others rather than common american citizens. so those qualities that lincoln had ever since he was a little boy really that were put on display finally won the war was being one, to not want to go against the people he had been against but to empathize with their situation, if only we could have that. is going to be what is going to be taking us as people, going to be allow going to be a lot of people disappointed, however, as this election goes. and so whoever the leader is has got to reach out to the other side and make them feel like

common american citizens. that is what teddy roosevelt once again, that people on other side were filling themselves from different sections or parties as the others rather then as common american citizens. we have to bring it back to sense that we have common american citizens and we can get through this time. it is going to take a while, but again, history tells us we will get through this. >> that is so the comforting things and one of the reasons we love talking to you, particularly in terms of division and crisis that the cycles of history repeat, that we have all, you know, there are people who have been here before us who were just like us and they wear different clothes. they do not live as long. they did not have antibiotics. but they went through the same struggles and we as a country have been through even far worse struggles that we go through today. >> you are so right, and people living in those times, people living during the civil war, people living during the great depression, people living during the early days of world war ii, they did not know how it

would end. you know, we don't know how ours is going to end. we know that civil war came to the end with the anson aroz -- emancipation secured. they had the same anxiety we have but it turned out somehow america emerge stronger than before. we have got to just hope that the combination of leaders and citizens who take up their responsibilities. and the best vengeance is to go and vote. when they take up the responsibility's, we somehow come through. it is not his optimism. it is more than that. it is reality of what perspectives and lessons and solace history can give us. that is why it is said to me that is not being taught more in schools, if kids don't have a sense that we've been through these hard times before, no wonder that the younger generation feels anxious. that is why they got to learn about us. they got to know about america. >> doris kearns goodwin, it is great to talk to you. thank you so much. >> thank you. back to me of up next, we will take you to new hampshire. the first ballots on election day will be cast in this county. we will be right back.

a small town in new hampshire is about to make history. at midnight, they will continue with the tradition to be the first place in america to hold in-person voting in election day. what can we expect there tonight? >> reporter: i'm standing in the living room in a beautiful home in the village. it has been transformed into a voting precinct. and three hours from now, the entire village will be in this living room with me. everyone who lives here will be here and that total is six people. it is a small village. under new hampshire law, small businesses can ask to have their own precinct and start their voting on election day right after midnight on election day. so this will be the first town in the united states to cast both an election day and more importantly as long as everyone shows up and they all vote, they

will be the first results which we will then tell you of the entire election. the way it works is that people come in here and these are the three voting booths. i'm going to open up one of them so that you can see. it is not a secret and easy they take the paper ballot in there. they then walk over here and drop it in a box that has been used since 1980. this town has been doing this early voting for 64 years, since 1960, since the election of john f. kennedy, richard nixon, john f. kennedy won. and general elections. this sign has been here since 1960. it is very historical, very fun and very interesting. the town moderator announces the vote. -- votes. two undeclared and they posted on the board. the libertarian candidates at trump republican candidates. we will get of the total. one more thing i want to put me out, one presidential candidates

have campaign here, this one is one of the most interesting. it is the oldest one there. it is from 1960. it shows the voters. nixon, nine. kennedy, zero. new hampshire went for nixon. but the nation went for john f. kennedy. we will see in three hours from now what the first turtles here or on election day in the united states. >> do you know how it won't last time? >> reporter: so yes, four years ago, and i told you four republicans, two undeclared. joe biden beat donald trump here. and during the new hampshire primary this year, nikki haley beat donald trump. so thaumatrope has not done well. >> thanks very much. all day tomorrow, cnn will have a special -- special coverage. no one covers elections like cnn. i hope you join me. jake tapper.