the clock. the deadline is fast approaching next week for giuliani to get rid of assets to give them to these women. >> is are concerned that he is giving the runaround on some assets? >> that is the concern. at times the judge said some of his answers were ridiculous. it just was a new deadline he put on the case. in thank you very much. to viewers, thanks for watching. i am wolf blitzer in the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now.

trump tonight names his chief of staff, plus more breaking news. new results in crucial races. still waiting to decide who controls the house of representatives, it is of course crucial, the democrats are not giving up hope yet and lieutenant laying it on thick, crazing trunk, as biden promises to rush aid to ukraine before trump is in the white house. good evening, i am erin burnett point out front enigma a very dark tunnel. the democratic strategist called election for is just weeks ago, speaking out tonight. >> i have to re-evaluate, i am sure i will come up with something to make me feel good again, but right now today, it's hard. i will be honest with you. and the hardest thing is, that i look across this country and tens of millions fell for this. and it's depressing. i am in a very,

very dark tunnel right now. >> it is so, can democrats find a way out of that dark tunnel? tonight, the illinois governor j.b. pritzker says he is preparing for battle. >> to anyone who intends to come take away the freedom and opportunity and dignity of illinoisans, i would remind you that a happy warrior is still a warrior. you come for my people, you come through me. >> and california governor gavin newsom tonight calling the state legislature back to the capitol for a special session. the reason, he says, "the freedoms we hold dear in california are under attack and we won't sit idle." but the blame game literally is just starting, just barely, barely here in the first inning but some democrats are taking on trump, as you can see, but others are zeroing in on biden. >> we went wrong again, by not having a competitive, open primary that the president of

the united states would have promoted not surprising point >> former presidential candidate andrew yang saying joe biden left us all out to dry and the democratic party protected and enabled him until it was too late to andrew is here with me in just a moment. but today, president biden speaking out for the first time since the election, ignored the attacks, but he did urge democrats to not stop fighting. >> the american experiment indoors. we are going to be okay. but we need to stay engaged. we need to keep going. and above all, we need to keep the faith. >> a harris senior adviser david tweeting, before he deleted his entire x accounts, "we dug out of the deep hole, but not enough, a devastating loss." he signaled to democrats that they were going to win just hours before the polls open pit >> we have a credible pathway

to all seven states tomorrow night to go into kamala harris's column, but we believe they're all going to be close. >> right, but you think you could win all seven? >> yes. >> now, looking back on that, i hear the pregnancy in that pause, but you heard the answer. all of this happening as there is breaking news from inside trump headquarters now. this is out front, live in west palm beach. kristen, what has just happened? >> erin, former president and a president-elect donald trump has named one of the most important positions in his white house, he has named susie wiles, his campaign chair, chief of staff to the white house. this is a critical position and it really sets the tone for the entire in ministration but i want to talk a little bit about susie because there is not much that is known about her, she is a florida political operative, she has been down here for quite some time, she served as trump's de facto chief of staff after his first term. she served as a top adviser to ron desantis, and it was actually

widely thought that part of the reason that she came back to donald trump was to seek some sort of revenge on ron desantis after they had a falling out. she also worked for donald trump in 2020 in florida, that was let go from that campaign. all of that, though, water under the bridge. she led a successful campaign, and i'm told that donald trump has been praising her, praising the campaign, the work that they did leading up to this moment, saying that she is credited for the fact that he was elected to office. at one thing to keep in mind here, we know that she had told donald trump that she was interested in the job, but she had some reservations, and part of the reservations, we are told, is that she didn't want the "clown car" able to get to the white house at any time, something that donald trump agreed with her on. the reason why this is so significant is it marks a turn from the first in ministration. obviously, we are not naming names as to who would be considered the clown car, but one of the things that susie wiles did for donald

trump's campaign was manage the chaos. she always said that she didn't know how to control donald trump, she wouldn't try to control donald trump. what she could do was control everything around the former president. it is clear from these remarks that she believes she can do that in a white house as well, meaning some of the more controversial figures, the more outlandish figures, the people lighting up twitter, calling people names all the time, who could be a distraction for the former president, she is essentially saying they're going to have to go through her, and those are the same people that went through her for the campaign, i donald trump himself clearly agreeing with those terms, it clearly worked out for him in the end, naming her the first chief of staff -- the first female chief of staff in american history. >> well, i guess that is one record set for women in the past 48 hours that i was not anticipating. thank you very much, kristin. lulu garcia, can i start with you? i know you just spoke to former house speaker nancy pelosi for your podcast, breaking her silence on what happened here. she was

of course instrumental in pushing biden to step aside, right? let's be clear about that. so, what is she saying now? >> well, without giving too much away, she talked about the fact that this was a heartbreaking loss. she used that word. she also said that she has spoken to the vice president, and that it was a very emotional conversation, that they are friends, and that conversation was difficult for both of them. we had a very wide-ranging and lengthy conversation about what happened, how she sees the path forward , and what her own plans are, and you know, that will come out soon, but you know, it is honestly a very, very difficult moment for the former speaker of the house , nancy pelosi. >> absolutely. so, nancy pelosi using the word heartbreaking in her conversation. james

carville talking about a dark tunnel. [ inaudible ] there needs to be discussion among democrats, so, >> look, we spent $1 billion and elected donald trump. that is not a blame game, that is called accountability. and the people at the top of the campaign and the top of the party have a lot of people kissed off at them because there were people that had suggestions, people saying why aren't we doing this? they were saying we've got it, we've got it. we have got this special, magical computer formulation, we have tested every ad, shut up and sit down and go back to work with people said, okay, i guess you are right. then we got clobbered, clocked, knocked down, beat up, drugged it down, and people are mad and they should be mad but and the people at the top have to listen, there is a grassroots rebellion happening in this party and it is coming to knock on the door of the people in charge of the party. that is not blame game, that is accountability. >> $1 billion. and i believe

they technically glue a few hundred million of that in recent weeks , andrew yang, and technically it may be and that a little bit? they did doorknocking, they did traditional ads, but they weren't listening to other ideas of people. >> there should be accountability, and joe biden should not have run for a second term, there should have been a competitive primary in january, he should have dropped out in january, not july. and by the way, j.b. pritzker and gavin newsom, they should have challenged him in january but we all know that they had campaigns in waiting, but instead, everyone said joe is going to be fine, he had a disastrous debate against donald trump, then he dropped out in july, and then everything is in hurry up mode. the party lost a crucial period where they could have introduced the next generation of leaders to the american people, vetted and chosen a ticket that could have taken the fight to donald trump, instead of joe biden fumbling the ball to kamala down the

stretch. >> and this whole conversation, is there any sense from people you are talking to of what role they think it played that there was a perception certainly among some voters that are least kamala harris had not been honest with voters about joe biden's true statement this kept coming up again and again. now people are trying to figure out what happened. is that something you hear? >> i mean, i think that one of the things that happened during this election is that when that disastrous debate with joe biden happens, i think there was a break in trust with the democratic party and the electorate. there was a feeling that there wasn't actually honesty about the condition of the president. and that people had been perhaps shielding him from the voters. i mean, if you think about the fact that he

really hadn't been sitting down for interviews, he hadn't been giving extended press conferences, and so, i think that there is a real -- you know, there are still questions about what exactly happened there and who knew what and when they knew it. >> right, that is the real question. i had done an interview with him a few weeks before then. he was fine , but you would imagine someone around him all the time, as many were, would have had a much different perhaps viewpoint but you know, it all came down to many, many things. but when you look at the actual votes, it wasn't as if trump suddenly surged in so many things, it is that democrats did worse. monmouth went through just the blue states, trump got an extra 280,000 votes this time versus last time, so he improved. look at the full screen. harris lost 3,339,404 votes. that is what stands out there. >> well, you know, the car seller said over and over again, it is either kamala harris or donald trump or the couch. always worried about the

couch. people just not feeling inspired enough to go out to vote. he wasn't worried that people were not going to vote for, and go vote for truck, he was afraid they weren't going to vote at all. here is how we got beat. we got beat because the republicans and conservatives build a different media system that had to do with online, had to do with podcasts, had to do with streaming platforms, and they were spending their money there. we were laughing at them. knocking on doors in philadelphia, we said there are no trump people, they are not dropping literature, not knocking on doors. >> well, in fact it was laughing, like elon musk and charlie kirk, [ inaudible ] >> we were making fun of donald trump for having thrown away his ground game and doing some weird stuff online, we thought they were idiots. it turned out we were the idiots. we woke up in a body bag because while we were knocking on doors, they were making these 24 hour a day political weapons for themselves, so we got outplayed, beaten by people who

told us the whole time that they knew what they were doing. and people are mad. and the future for, all these different groups that vacuumed up all this money and told everybody to sit down and shut up are going to be in for an accountability session, it is coming. >> i remember when you and i were speaking at one point earlier, you were talking about all kinds of data that was available that people were going to be presenting to the harris campaign. and i suppose you are going to say that fell on deaf ears to large part? >> they were like, we've got it. and they didn't have it. and one very obvious missed opportunity is that joe rogan has the biggest audience in the country, this affected low propensity men, kind of audience that the harris campaign should be trying to reach. it was [ inaudible ] kamala goes on, tim walz goes on, then you have millions of men who are exposed to the democratic message and they turned it down because she was too busy? i mean, it makes zero sense, except in the context that the team just didn't have

confidence in her to do it. text unless you think he is being mean, 48 million views for the rogan -trump interview on youtube alone. >> which was a three-hour interview? >> a three-hour interview. 48 million views. like they were laughing. but that is two thirds of the total number of votes. >> can i jump in here? >> lulu? >> i'm very happy that everyone is talking here about the information ecosystem. obviously, it is incredibly important. so is joe rogan, but there are two issues here. one is a message, and the other is the messenger. and so, and how those messages are delivered. and so, you know, there is a lot of discussion right now about the ground game and how you reach voters and all these things, but you know, voters told the democratic party over

and over and over again that the main issues where their pocketbooks , inflation, and immigration. and that was what they told them, and the closing message of the democratic party was democracy, and donald trump is a bad man. >> is there any way that they could have won though with kamala harris on immigration, given that she was part of the biden administration. >> if you were going to run kamala, she needs permission to break from joe biden and say, hey, look, whatever the administration did, i would have done things differently. and we are going to go another direction. i mean, her inability to do that was a very serious problem. >> look, i don't know if it was winnable. the two numbers, one is 39, the other is 75. 39 is the approval rate for joe biden, that is very low. and 75 is the wrong track measure that is very high. so, she had a

tough hill to climb. i think that she did as well as she could possibly do, but she had a bunch of people running that campaign who did not listen, were very arrogant, who sucked up $1 billion, annoyed a lot of people, and you're going to be hearing about it for a long time. >> a lot of people who said they were going to donate another dollar, biden didn't get out in july, then they opened up the floodgates and they did get that money. >> january, not july. you know, joe biden -- you know, i endorsed him in 2020, but he failed the george washington test in passing the torch in time to have a real primary. >> all right, all of you, thank you very much, i appreciate it as always, and i hope everyone will listen to nancy pelosi's interview with lulu garcia navarro on your podcast. next, breaking news, warehouse races are being called tonight as democrats hanging onto a very slim chance of flipping the house. plus, trump saying he thinks he will be speaking with putin, the russian president. warning of a new world order. and trump's return to power

fueled in large part by hispanic voters. how come? >> [ music ] >> i think more democrats are pushing latinos to trump, to tell you the truth. >> [ music ]

breaking news, democrat laura gill in scoring a key house win over first-term republican anthony in new york. now, that was flipping a highly sought after seat tonight. that could be a crucial win there. the balance of power in the house up for grabs at this hour. still, we cannot call the house. democrats right now with 196 seats. republicans with 210. it takes 218 to have that majority, which means democrats still need 22 seats in order to do that, in order to prevent a clean sweep from republicans. to pull that off, though, democrats would need to hold 16 of the current seats out, which we have not yet called, and to flip six additional ones. let's go straight to harry at the magic wall. harry, look, you've got white house and you got the senate if you are republicans. democrats' hopes come down to the house. where does the math stand? >> where does the math stand, do they have much of a shot? i

think it is a little bit of a long shot at this point, but it is possible. you mentioned right now we projected 210 for republicans, 196 for democrats. let's just sort of show you where they are ahead. beyond just the extended seats, if every person who is ahead right now went on to win, what are we looking at? 222 for republicans, 213 for democrats. how are democrats going to push that number up by five? i actually want to take you to arizona to a seat right now are democrats hold the advantage, because i think it sort of gives you an idea that these seats are still uncalled for a reason. right now, i want you to look at this margin in arizona's sixth congressional district. kristin engel up by 70 votes. it is 70 votes. when i was preparing this segment earlier on today, she was trailing. so, it lips. these seats could still flip. where are some seats that could flip? let's go out to the great state of california, go west, young man, go west. we are going to go up to central california, we are going to go right here to the 13th

district. why is this important? because right now, what you see is the republican ahead by a little less then three points, look at the boat remaining. or the vote already in, it is only 48% of the vote in. that means a majority of the vote is still out, and given that we haven't called this race in a less than three point margin, you could definitely see the democrat overtaking here. let's go down a little bit further, a seat that we always look at, where there are a ton of late votes. look at this, only 52% of the vote has been counted there, that is another one. i will go to one last one come all the way up to alaska. right now, the democratic incumbent is trailing, this is a seat in which there is a lot of vote by mail left to be counted. also a seat where they have runoffs, an instant runoff situation that goes on, so the bottom line is there are still some seats where democrats could potentially take control of the house, but it is a long shot, erin. x but when you go through this, some examples there, as you look for the democratic rest there, what other states are the focus to the most on? >> if democrats don't end up

taking this where am i going to? i'm going to pennsylvania, pennsylvania, pennsylvania. there were just a bunch of seats where i think democrats underperformed. we haven't called this race yet, but a lot of democrats are looking to knock off scott, but with 99% of the vote in, scott perry is ahead. how about we go up to northeast pennsylvania? look up to the scranton area. what happened here? guess what, erin, we have called this seat. matthew cartwright, the incumbent, knocked off joe biden's home district , lost there. we will go down, another one, susan wiles, incumbent. once siri went to look at to understand whether the democrats are going to get control of the house, he was going to be this one, and susan, the incumbent got knocked off >> when you look at these, it is really incredible to see what has happened and how consistent it has been in so many different parts of the country. harry, thank you. i want to go now to south carolina and the democratic congressman there, james clyburn. it was a national cochair of the harris-walz campaign. congressman, so much

to talk to you about, let me start with harry is reporting on the house, which we have not yet called. the odds appear slim right now for democrats. there is, though, still a path. what you think is going to happen, will democrats retain control of the house? >> well, thank you very much for having me. i do think it is a narrow path. but it is also a very thorny path. so, if i were to guess, i would say it would be one or two votes, maybe one to three votes, either way, we could go one up or it would be two down. so, we will just wait and see. >> obviously going to be very close, as i said, we are unable to call that here at all. there has been -- i don't know if you were plugged in in time, congressman, but so much talk now about what happened to democrats, knowledgeably president biden desserts, for example, for not stepping aside until late july. what if democrats had had a primary

process and you had voters able to choose from the deep bench of democrats who are out there? james carville, alice nadine phillips, your house colleague and one of the few democrats who challenge biden both have spoken out about this, here they are. >> bite bite and staying in so late, we didn't have any process. if we had had some kind of an open process, then it would have been much better. >> this entire election, in my estimation, was sealed the day that joe biden announced he was running for re-election, and the answer is absolutely, we should have had a competition. it makes everything better. >> congressman, from where you sit now, with what is happening in the past 48 hours, do you think they are right? >> well, i made it very clear to the members of my caucus, and said i'm going to heed my advice, there is no need for us to engage in [ inaudible ]. we

know what has happened. we need to chill out for a few moments, make some assessments, and then plan a way forward. we will know in the house whether or not we will be a minority or a majority or whichever position, we must be in loyal opposition to this president if he does the project 2025 that they are now innovating is their blueprint for this administration. if that is their blueprint, this house democratic caucus must have a vigorous opposition to it and some alternatives in the place of it and get ready to take the house back again in two years. that is where i am going to stay on that subject. >> so,,, people are trying to

understand what happened. in part, it is not just at the polls appeared to miss this, it is also the way the harris campaign projected in such confidence, right? talking about winning sunbelt states, they were very confident. the night before the campaign, i had a conversation with david, senior adviser in the harris campaign, you know him well, polls were opening just hours after this conversation, and i wanted to play this part for you. >> all the early vote data, what we are projecting for election day, [ inaudible ], we have a credible pathway to all seven states tomorrow night to go into kamala harris's column, but we believe they are all going to be close. >> it right, but you think you could win all seven? >> yes. >> as i said, congressman, now when i listen to that, i do hear the pause before the word yes, but nonetheless, that word yes delivered with conviction. of course, harris lost five swing states so far, she is trailing in the last two that cnn has not yet called. so,

i'm just curious, congressman, of how you see it. is a campaign in a bubble, did they have bad data? you know, this wasn't just a little miss, it was a magnificent miss. it is everywhere. >> well, [ inaudible ] but rather than winning seven , it was a close contest, looks like we may have lost all seven in a close contest. you know, when you get into these things, [ inaudible ] i can tell you when you [ inaudible ], it goes to emotions, he goes to people's feelings, and i do believe that we lost these districts on people's feelings. people had a certain feeling about those ads that went out there, that we did not respond to for whatever reason. and i think

that affected their positions when they got to the polling place. so, what we've got to do in my opinion is take stock of all of this and remember, facts and figures are secondary to people's feelings and their emotions. >> something important to remember. so many can forget easily. congressman, i appreciate your time, thank you. >> thank you very much for having me. next, vladimir putin is celebrating the win for trump here in the u.s., calling it a completely new world order. so, what does that mean? fareed zakaria is out next. plus, one of the convicted january 6th writers putting trump on notice, saying the now president-elect better keep his promise to pardon them. >> [ music ]

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receives a flood of calls from world leaders. russian president, though, publicly praising trump for his bravery during the assassination attempt in butler, pennsylvania. putin speaking today, saying he behaved in my opinion and a very correct way, courageously, like a real man. fred is out front. >> reporter: after launching a massive attack aimed at the heart of kyiv, russian leader vladimir putin praising president-elect donald trump. >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> i would like to take this opportunity to offer my congratulations on his election as president of the united states, putin says, so you are willing to talk to trump, the moderator asks? yes, we are ready, putin says. indeed, president-elect trump seems willing to talk to putin as well. the jittery journalist bob woodward writing in a recent book that the two men have had a number of phone calls, up to seven, since trump left office. trump reportedly gifting putin covid tests in

the early days of the pandemic, when those tests were scarce. and trump himself has often praised his relations with the russian president, even siding with vladimir putin over the u.s. his own intelligence services after russia's interference in the 2016 presidential election. >> my people came to me, dan cox came to me and some others, they said they think it is russia. i have president putin -- he just said it is not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> as russia continues its full on invasion of ukraine, gaining ground, especially on the eastern front, the president-elect still saying he would be able to end the war fast. >> they are dying. russians and ukrainians. i want them to stop dying. and i will have that done, i will have that done in 24 hours. if we had a real president, a president that was respected by putin, he would have never -- he would have never invaded ukraine. >> reporter: but the ukrainians fear trump might cut off

military aid to ukraine altogether, forcing the country into a de facto surrender and loss of territory. >> every time zelenskyy comes to the united states, he walks away with $100 billion, i think he is the greatest salesman on earth. but we are stuck in that war , unless i am president. >> reporter: and when pressed to answer whether he even wants ukraine to win the war, trump simply won't say. >> i want the war to stop. i want to save lives. >> reporter: and you know, erin, russian leader vladimir putin also saying that if donald trump were to call him and say, vladimir, let's meet up, you certainly wouldn't be adverse to doing that. in general, the russians are saying they're looking for countries to call them and re-establish relations. erin? >> fred, thank you very much. i want to go now to fareed zakaria , a host of fareed zakaria gps. so, trump wins, putin comes out and hails a completely new world order. is it? >> well, what putin was talking about their was a completely

new world order in which american power is declining , in which western power is declining, and as he sees it, russia and china and countries like iran are ascendant. so, it is a very particular version of a new world order, and i would find it very difficult to imagine that any american president would sign on to that new world order. >> so, i guess in that context, fareed, how do you see the relationship between trump and putin? where trump has so often -- even recently, you know, touted his relationship, his friendship, with vladimir putin. >> so, i think that trump often talks about it, exactly as you say, erin, and he talks about the war and how he wants to end it, which all sounds great, and of course, we would all like to see the war end. but what i

think is often missing in the way trump talks about is vladimir putin has launched the most blatant act of aggression in europe since world war ii. he has attempted a kind of reconquest of an empire, of a kind that hasn't taken place in 70 years. he is trying to essentially wipe ukraine off the map. he is engaged in the kind of aggression that the united states said after world war ii would not be legitimized, would not be tolerated, and every president since then has maintained that standard. and there have been actually almost no cases of acquisition of territory by conquest that was legitimized by the international community. so, the question is, does president-elect trump see that that is the light in which you have to look at vladimir putin? yes, he is a strong leader, he

is a powerful interlocutor , i would argue an adversary, but he is not your pal. he is not somebody with whom you are just schmoozing. it is somebody who has done something that is about to destroy the international system. and you have to solve the problem, stand up to him, it doesn't mean that you can't make concessions to him, but that is the kind of broader political context , perhaps even moral context in which you have to approach putin. >> well, we will see. i mean, that would of course be an incredible shift for that to occur. former president obama spoke out about the election. he said, fareed, america has been through a lot over the past few years, from a historic pandemic and price hikes resulting from the pandemic to rapid change, and the feeling that a lot of folks have that no matter how hard they work, treading water is the best they can do. those conditions have created headwinds for democratic incumbents around the world, and last night show that america is not genuine.

obviously, you have seen this in far right governments that have been elected across europe, germany, austria, france, portugal, belgium, you name it. i remember having a meeting at the white house 18 months ago and they were pulling out all these polls, and they were talking about biden's re-election chances, showing the affinity that the public house across europe. at that time, it was all but one country, they said, for a strong and autocratic type of year. is it really happening everywhere? >> well, it is happening everywhere, but it is not always an affinity for a strongman, autocratic leader. it is just a certain -- people are fed up, and they feel very -- they feel like the world is in turmoil. inflation got out of control. and so, they punished incumbents. the best example [ inaudible ] where closest and a sense politically to great britain, and the tory party went from probably the largest majority they had in 75

years to the smallest minority they had in 75 years, in one election. you know, that seems almost impossible to imagine. in japan, he has ruled japan essentially uninterrupted since the late 1840s, has just lost. but i think it is also fair to say that the democrats played this, in my opinion, not as well as they could have, and trump played it very well could >> your being, of course, diplomatic in that. i don't know if you heard van jones and andrew yang talking about this earlier. can i just ask you, to that point, fareed, do you think that this was inevitable? that trump was going to win as an inevitable thing against any democrat, or do you think that the candidate , specifically who it was, kamala harris, or her position as being the vice president of the incumbent, do you think that drove it more? >> i think it is not kamala

harris as a person or a candidate. i think being the vice president hurt, because you are part of the government and people are looking for change, it would have been easier for people to look for change if it was whomever. gavin newsom, gretchen whitmer, you know, you could imagine many people. but i will say, there were decisions that were made that, you know, that the democrats made, that they have to live with. not cracking down earlier on immigration. it was absolutely clear the immigration system was collapsing, the asylum system was broken, and you could see that around the world, right-wing populism was being fed by immigration. and there were lots of people, if i may point out, i myself am pointing out that you have got to dig a much harder line on immigration, that is the number one issue that the public thinks is out of control, so i think that played a large part. i also think that democrats have gotten trapped in a kind of identity politics bubble where they were not able to see

categories outside of it, so they were not able to appeal to working class hispanics as anything other than hispanics. you know, and those people began to move toward trump, because they are also socially conservative. maybe they like his kind of machismo. whatever it is, you know, the identity politics trap is placed democrats in a very strange position of reversing martin luther king's line. their judging people by the color of their skin, not the content of their character. >> fareed, thank you very much. next, trump has promised to pardon the convicted january 6 rioters, they are now holding onto it. plus, trump making major gains with latinos, fareed just referring to that. what they are telling cnn about last deportations tonight, you're going to want to hear this. there

tonight, a judge denying a january 6th dependence attempts to delay sentencing in hopes of receiving a pardon from trump. the judge ruling the potential future exercise of discretionary pardoning power is irrelevant to the courts decision to carry out the legal responsibilities of the judicial branch. dozens of january 6th defendants are trying to use the same strategy, there pointing to trans campaign promise to pardon them. trump needs to send a clear signal that he is going to do this, i hope he keeps his promise." ryan goodman is out front. so, look,

you have looked extensively at what trump has said about pardoning the rioters, and as he was talking about rigged election and all the things that he has done so many times over the past four years, he talked about the rioters a lot, he called them hostages. do you think he will follow through with pardoning them? >> i think he is inclined to doing it. he even said i am inclined to do it for many of them. he also said i will seriously consider it. he also said that some of them got out of control. so, the idea is maybe there would be some who committed acts of violence against law enforcement officers, i think they would probably be last in line. so, there is some maneuverability for him on that. >> as you talk about some of the things he said, this is wife both of those cases we just gave our in front of judges right now, because trump may pardon us, here is why. but so many of these people are great patriots. the peaceful january 6th protesters, or as i often call them, the hostages.

they are hostages. the moment we win, we will rapidly review the cases of every political prisoner unjustly victimized by the harris regime, and i will sign their pardons on day one. >> you can imagine the visuals of that, if that's what he does on day one. x it would be extraordinary. it would also in some ways be an insult to some of the people in the justice department whose entire role is to present to the president whether or not there should be a pardon, but that is just a norm, he is not bound by that whatsoever. >> we will see what he does do on that. jack smith, obviously, as we understand, is winding down the cases, both mar-a-lago, as well as the january 6 cases, which he had fought to define presidential immunity to push that forward, so what do you think he will do? do we get a big report or not? >> i don't necessarily think we get a big report, some people think so, but the regulations for the special counsel specifically talked about a report to the attorney to general, about whether or not [ inaudible ] declining to

prosecute. that already happened long ago, that is before the indictment, so there might be nothing there that he needs to wrap up in that sense. the department of justice's long-standing position is the constitution prevents a prosecution of a sitting president. this isn't going anywhere. i don't think there's going to be a report, there doesn't have to be necessarily. >> ryan, thank you very much for next, a special report on why so many latino voters went for trump. and what democrats need to learn. >> [ music ]

tonight, trump has been talking about his record-breaking support with latino voters. they want to have borders and they like people coming in, but they have to come in with love of the country. the numbers are staggering. starr county, texas, let me show you this one, this is a 95% latino county. trump lost the county in 2016 60 points. tonight, he is up by 16 point 88% of the vote count is in. that is just really hard to comprehend a move like that. well, ed spoke with latino and immigrant voters and only battle ground

state along the border, arizona, to talk to those voters, and he has this story in first out front. >> reporter: in 2016, this happened at a donald trump rally in arizona. let's look at that sign, latinos support trump, i love you! i love you! >> reporter: next to think betty rivas knew, she was on stage with the future president. >> i love her, melania, i have fallen in love with her. >> reporter: eight years later, rivas remains fully enamored with the president-elect. >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: betty rivas told us she felt a connection with trump on that stage when they looked into each other's eyes. betty and her husband jorge on sammy's mexican grill near tucson. in this temple to trump, they serve tacos and enchiladas and the popular maga burger. >> if someone were to come up to you and say you are a latino immigrant, how can you support donald trump? >> he says trump speaks about

the things he cares about, faith, family, and the economy. >> i know he is not perfect, i know he is not like the pope we believe in teaching our kids about god were preaching to our family about this, and the democratic party is [ inaudible ] >> i think they're going to be a lot of people who have a hard time hearing you say i like trump because of family values. >> i don't go by his lifestyle. i don't go by what he has done. >> do you think it is the democrats pushing latinos to trump or is it trump bringing in latinos? >> i think more democrats are pushing latinos to trump. >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> tony arias and alfonso are the host of a radio show called [ speaking in a non-english language ], which loosely translates to young geezers. on

a radio network that airs in five states. they take dozens of calls a day on a radio station founded by the iconic labor organizer cesario chavez. they sensed trump winning over latinos in the last few years. democrats did not impress people, said the caller. donald trump spoke well and stole their hearts. >> [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> reporter: another caller said i thought with my oldest son who told me trump is better than kamala. i said i cannot accept that. >> are you seeing that it is generational divide? >> i see a lot of young people voting for trump, because they are thinking about [ inaudible ] >> we need to do a better job of engaging our community. >> reporter: raquel is a former democratic legislator in arizona, she recently ran for congress and spent months knocking on doors, trying to turn out latino voters. >> what they are hearing from trump is that there is going to be a better economy under his administration. >> reporter: the night after donald trump won re-election,

jorge rivas told us about their path to becoming u.s. citizens. he was born in el salvador, granted asylum to the u.s. at age 18. betty emigrated from mexico. now she thinks many migrants are lying and trying to take advantage of the asylum process. they want the immigration crisis fixed. >> if they let in hundreds of thousands of people who already have criminal records, i'm all for [ inaudible ] >> what if rounded up and all that are people working on a farm, doing the jobs americans don't want to do, does that worry you? >> that wouldn't be fair, of course, they need to make sure they don't throw away, they don't kick out, they don't deport people that are family oriented. >> that is just fascinating. so i'm using to have an opportunity to hear from him. i know you are in tucson tonight, but you talk to him, trump has been making aims at latino men in particular. we saw it in the exit polls, it turned out to be real. so, what do you think from talking to so many of

them, is actually driving that? i thought it was so interesting when you asked the question, how much of this is democrats pushing you away as opposed to trump pulling you towards us, and he said it is more democrats pushing. >> yeah, used to be a democrat , voted for clinton and voted for barack obama, that eventually became a trump supporter. but the radio guys told us something interesting. he said a lot of younger latino male voters are very disengaged from politics . don't really pay attention or remember the history of trump's first term. another thing that is important to point out, this is really fascinating, erin, many latino immigrants come from countries where they have truly evil dangerous political leaders . they view the american political system and donald trump is far less harmful. >> ed, thank you very much. thanks to all of

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