i thought it was so interesting when you asked the question, how much of this is democrats pushing you away as opposed to trump pulling you towards us, and he said it is more democrats pushing. >> yeah, used to be a democrat , voted for clinton and voted for barack obama, that eventually became a trump supporter. but the radio guys told us something interesting. he said a lot of younger latino male voters are very disengaged from politics . don't really pay attention or remember the history of trump's first term. another thing that is important to point out, this is really fascinating, erin, many latino immigrants come from countries where they have truly evil dangerous political leaders . they view the american political system and donald trump is far less harmful. >> ed, thank you very much. thanks to all of tonight on 360,

president-elect trump names chief of staff making his campaign manager susie wiles his first pick. what this might actually look like. elon musk, what does he do for a new trump administration and what does he get in return? will talk to professor scott galloway of about muscovy impact young men have in the selection. we begin with donnell chumps -- donald trump's choice of campaign manager susie while to do what others did with a degree of frustration in the first administration and what cnn learns she put conditions on taking. late today in a

statement announcing his decision the president-elect'se nd quote, says he is tough, smart, innovative, universally admired and respected. susie will continue to work tirelessly to make america great again. she certainly had a job to do as a cam main -- campaign manager for a candidate acknowledged to be difficult. in thanking her, he highlighted her reference for avoiding the spotlight . >> let me also express my tremendous appreciation for susie and chris, the job you did. come, susie, come. susie likes to stay sort of in the back, let me tell you. the ice maiden. we call her the ice maiden. >> susie wiles is the first of many people who will be chosen to serve in the second trump administration which supporters say will differ from the first, something jfk junior underscored today while saying he will have a role in the selection process . >> i'm going to be heavily

involved in the transition. now that we know who the real players are, the people who will actually deliver on the president's message, the people who don't think that they know better than the duly elected president of the united states. >> he seems to be suggesting there will be fewer independent thinkers, more loyalists to carry out many promises that trump made on the campaign trail. >> on day one i will launch the largest deportation program in american history and if these companies don't make their products here than they will be paying a stiff terraform they send their products into the united states for the privilege of competing with our workers and are now protected companies. i will end the war in ukraine. i will stop the chaos in the middle east and i will prevent world war iii from happening. we will build a missile defense shield massively. we are going to build the greatest, the biggest munsell defense shield . >> we are going to protect kids in america and we are going to get men out of women's sports

in america. >> bobby kennedy robert f kennedy junior rfk junior. and he is going to work and he is very strong on you know, the pesticides and all of the different things. >> we will talk more tonight on how he plans to deliver on some of that in some of the repercussions if he does especially from his deportation plans. first , though, more on the chief of staff plans. what should we know about susie wiles? >> reporter: she is a trump loyalist, one of the only people who start by his side after he left washington and disgrace in 2021. she came to work for him and she really stuck with him throughout the entire campaign. she served as a factor chief of staff after his first term. i was there on election night when he threw a fit because this is and 22, because one of his candidates won. she was by his side then. she was by his side when he announced his candidacy afterwards and she has remained by his side and i think one of

the important things to point out here is that our colleagues got from someone who is and now i of susie wiles about the clown car because that is something she did and did well on the campaign. one of susie's models when she talks to people close to her is that she can't control donald trump and she understands that but she can control everything around him and that means access to the former president, now president-elect and that is clearly something she is going to do in the white house that they believe she did this well. it was keeping controversial figures away from donald trump . obviously she cannot always do it and it was trying to keep the chaos around him , a chaotic person, to a minimum. this is really setting the tone for the administration because it is clear that she is someone who has taken him seriously in republican circles, not just the maga side of things but also the establishment side . people respect susie wiles so this is really giving you an indication of where this is going to go but first and

foremost, the thing that he cares about most is the fact that she was loyal to him. >> who are some of the other people been talked about for high profile jobs? >> there is quite a long list here and i want to make sure we are being clear that there is going to be a lot of jockeying of these positions are going to roll out. we know some of them might come as early as these week that these are just some of the names being floated around. for secretary of state, one big one is senator marco rubio. this is been floating around since he did not get vice president. don junior, top adviser to donald trump lashed out at marco rubio, have some nasty things to say when he was up for vice president so we will see how that lays out. next to, attorney general, one of the most important positions in terms administration because trump wants to control the justice department. ken paxton, the texas attorney general is on that list but likely also on that list . one name we don't have is john ratcliffe, former director of national intelligence. these are names floating around. elon musk is up for some kind of government

efficiency adviser. donald trump is joked about the fact that elon musk will not join the government. he doesn't want to get rid of any of his properties or his companies. he does not want to have to divest . we are told this is likely to be a workaround for elon musk, some sort of committee or adviser role. robert f kennedy junior, public health adviser likely. we will see how this all plays out . we know rfk has been talking about how he wants to be potentially a secretary. only sister phonic for u.n. ambassador. she's already met the heads of the transition team and potentially carolyn leavitt for press secretary. this is moving fast as he names susie wiles today. we will see what the next position he puts forward his. >> [ inaudible ] david, what do you make of the pick for chief

of staff? >> i've said many times here during the course of this campaign that donald trump , you know, that trump campaign had a rational campaign and an irrational candidate and she kept the campaign, she and chris lost evita kept the campaign on track and they did to a large degree keep the clown car away. it is tougher in some ways in washington. >> talk about the role of the chief of staff. you saw this in the obama administration. there were in the former administration , there were -- >> my guess is she's going to try to tightly control who goes into that oval office so people cannot wander in and influence things without her knowledge and that's going to be very important. chief of staff, if the chief of staff is empowered can be really important in

terms of the paper flow to the president, the people that the president sees, the decision tree. it can be very important but i will tell you this. chief of staff is very effective if the feeling around washington is that chief of staff has the confidence of the president and the fact that they have developed a this close relationship very important. >> i'm excited about it . i've known susie wiles for a long time and there are people who are not necessarily pro-trump but who are pro-susie wiles because to them, this signals that the second coming of a trump presidency is going to be very different . she is a trusted thinker. she has several decades of political experience and she is someone who can prioritize and manage an operation and david, that is going to be critical to controlling the flow of information and access to the former president and having someone he trusts you can set up those guardrails will be critical to making sure that whatever types of judgment

calls that are made, the best advisers are getting to him first and not anyone else, so i feel confident about how this is shaping up so far. >> obviously donald trump is unique figure in american politics and given what we have seen , there is only so much one can do. >> she obviously was doing something right as she has lasted a long time with him in the idea that she was as disciplined with him as possible -- i'm thinking about laurel loomer who was with him during the 9/11 ceremonies which was not a good look and she probably was not happy about that . one thing i want to focus on is that she is the first female chief of staff switch when i heard that today i was like that's never happened before and the first thing i thought of after that was mark cuban owes her an apology for saying that donald trump was not surrounding himself with strong and smart women because obviously she has been able to hang on to this role as a smart him a strong woman with donald trump this long. i did also like the fact that she is going to keep the

clown car out . i think donald trump is influenced by the last person he speaks to, and so that is important and i also thought about the fact that he brought in corey lewandowski this last summer and i'm sure she did not like that as well because the talk this last time was maybe she was on the way out and corey lewandowski is going to be higher up so i think this is a well-deserved role for her. >> for me what is going to be interesting essay nvodoa reactions to this. i think voters are concerned about who exactly are the people who will be executing the policy. they want to see donald trump come into office on they want to do the things he promised he would do and a lot of these things are very lofty, ambitious plans i made to execute the largest mass deportation effort in u.s. history is going to require a lot of coordination and you know from extensive reporting that behind the scenes, trumps allies have been planning for

this for a while so it's a question of watching him set up things in the next few months to be able to start implementing those things on day one. >> in terms of selecting people in a new administration, what is that process generally like ? they have an advantage this time. they have done it before so they know what mistakes they made the last time . >> a lot of people have been thinking about this and they had a lot of press -- things going on. last time they had a transition team and chris christie was heading the transition team. he had differences or jared kushner had differences with him and took his transition report and threw it in the garbage. obviously this is a little more orderly and now that she is empowered is the chief of staff you would think she's going to play an even larger role in one thing we should mention, this will mean nothing to you, anderson, but a lot of people will know this. pat summerall was her father, who is a great football player and kicker and

broadcaster so she's been around blocking and tackling all of her life and that will be useful. >> you heard donald trump jr. saying he's going to be very involved in looking over the vetting process, the hiring process. loyalty clearly , they feel that they had people around the president , then president trump the last time who were trying to kind of control his impulses. it seems like they don't want that same type of person around. >> i think susie wiles is going to try to do a little bit of that but he is the president ready want individuals were going to serve the president and serve him well. i was part of the transition team in 2016 when dr. carson went to had. i'm familiar with that process and you have some good people. you have some not so good people, i suppose. i got a feeling this time that looking at some of the names we have seen for some of those key roles, this is going to be different and you saw sabrina talk about the mass immigration. how are you going to execute that? you need

people who are going to do it and do it well. what does that look like? there are a lot of complexities there and if you are looking at this from trumps perspective, the first 60 to 90 days not only on immigration but also the economy, what is that going to look like? what will be the focus there so it is not necessarily about finding people who are loyal to the president but finding people who are going to bring to fruition his ideas for the american people. >> i think this time around he's going to win the popular vote and so i think that he feels like his mandate -- he has more power in his mandate inking that a majority of the american citizens want him to do what he campaigned on, whether or not that is true to the 46 other percent who did not vote for him, that is another story but i think is going to take control in a different way this time. he did not understand washington, d.c. when he came in in 2016 so he brought in people who understood it better than he did and he clashed with a lot of those people. >> it's interesting to see what role vice president vance

will have in this administration. obviously you see the vice president out camping in a lot as we saw when biden took office, vice president harris disappeared from public view for a long time. >> i think it's an open question at this point how involved vance is going to be or what exactly donald trump will want to see him doing. i mean, if it is going to be having vance out telling what trump is doing in those first days and really being a cheerleader for donald trump i think we will see some of jd vance. if jd vance was ops -- off script and gives different messaging about how things are going to be executed he will be in a more behind the scenes role and what we expect from vice presidents often. >> we are going to take a break. coming up , new reporting on the president's promise to implement mass deportation and use the military if necessary against americans plus the total immunity the supreme

court gave him, does that add up to a threat overall? take a look at that next.

breaking news tonight, a federal judge struck down the biden administration's policy

of giving legal documents to those who are married to u.s. citizens. trumps transition team is preparing to carry out trumps promise to launch the largest mass deportation ever of migrants living in the u.s. more on what that actually would entail. what would mass deportations look like? >> reporter: there has not been anything like mass deportation in recent memory because it is so challenging to do with the limited federal resources that there are, but donald trump has said no doubt that his first order of business is mass deportation . there is a key difference from his 2016 campaign, which was focused on the border, and the border wall and it comes against the backdrop of the last few years of border crisis . under the biden administration, which resulted in criticism of this administration from republicans and democrats. i've been talking to homeland security officials over the last several days and they are preparing for seismic change in immigration

policy, and they are no strangers to the whiplash. remember that when president biden took office he reversed the trump administration policies and now the same homeland security officials are anticipating the return of those policies and in talking to them they tell me it has been a mixed bag of emotions. some are shellshocked by the election results while others are more optimistic and hope full, wanting a stronger posture on the u.s. southern border but it speaks to the reality of the situation which is that immigration policy has been dictated by executive actions which result in this whiplash from one administration to the next, and now it is paving the way for these mass deportation plans that donald trump has promised repeatedly on the trail. >> so, how difficult could it be to put this into motion? >> there are a lot of moving parts is what i am being told is that even before election day, trump allies and some in the private sector were preparing for detaining and deporting migrants on a large

scale and i mentioned the private sector because the federal government largely leads on contractors to manage facilities, so they need them to do this type of work mostly because there are very few federally-owned facilities and that is the key element of all of this. detention and you cannot mass-deport without mass detention. if you arrest someone they need to be detained somewhere before they are repatriated to their home country. that is a key element of this and that requires money. earlier, donald trump said there is no price tag to mass deportation. there is, however. for one undocumented immigrant to be apprehended, detained, processed and removed is nearly $11,000. that is just for one individual. at that up we are looking at billions of dollars. the department of homeland security has previously moved money around to try to sort funds for more detention space but i have spoken to officials who say it would have to be so much more

than what they can do right now with the money that they have so that is part of it . they also need more personnel and of course there is an element of diplomacy here. there needs to be agreement with countries if you're going to send people back so certainly a lot at work here but what i am being told by sources is that this is being discussed and there are operations i'm going to try to execute on this as soon as donald trump takes office. >> david, you went through this with the obama administration early on. there were deportations. what are the difficulties? >> i think priscilla led them out. it is very involved process to deport people , and one of the questions i have is, whatever deportations donald trump has, he will say is the largest mass deportation and history. what that number actually turns out to be is another question because in addition to all the expenses of

deporting people , you know, there is a disruptive element . if you were really to engage in mass deportations in this country, there are economic implications of that. there are diplomatic implications of that . there are all kinds of implications of these decisions and -- >> there are also people who are in prison serving sentences . they are not deported until they finish serving those sentences. i mean, it is complicated. if you're looking to deport 1 million people, it is not all people who have committed crimes. it is people who are married to an american citizenship -- citizen but they don't have citizenship. >> people in this country are frustrated about what happened at the border. they're frustrated about people who break the law to come into the country. and he was speaking to that in the course of the campaign, living up to the

words, which were really meant to provoke . actually implementing them as a policy, far more complicated. >> 11 million undocumented immigrants in 2022. trump says there is more. $315 million to deport them. we don't have the manpower to do that. you would have to get the national guard out there, which he may do but you are also talking about huge employers were not going to necessarily be happy with this because these are the workers that are working for them and so suddenly in the hospitality industry for example in las vegas or other big cities they potentially would lose all of those workers so you have the influence of the ceos coming to trump now that he is elected and saying i don't know, maybe not so fast, so there are tons of implications. >> you attended a lot of rallies and this was talked about a lot. >> this was the number one talking point . i think some of the loudest cheers you would hear in each of his rallies was when he was denigrating undocumented immigrants that have come in recent years and

making this promised repeatedly throughout his rallies but i think what is interesting is for talking to voters, chunk able who voted for donald trump don't actually believe he's going to deport every immigrant . there is an expect tatian of relief that he's going to focus on criminals, that is going to focus on people who have come in the last four years under the biden administration. there will be distinctions made on who exactly gets deported and a lot of people -- a lot of people are not necessarily expecting that on day one he will start rounding up people and a lot of people don't actually believe the concept of oh, there are going to be camps to help transition people in the process of deportations i think there is a real question of how this will be executed and i think for some of the people who voted for donald trump there certainly going to be a grace period of them trying to see how exactly he navigates it. >> is it , as david said, you just call it mass deportations and you know, it is not actually mass deportations. >> he has to address it. i

think our immigration laws of been modified in such a way that leads to an influx of illegal immigrants, less low skilled workers in those low skilled workers compete against a lot of americans who would typically fulfill those jobs. i think some could also argue that they put some extremities on already existing limitations of social programs in many cities across the country with her that is housing, healthcare and other things, so i think the mandate on the former president or president-elect will be to address this in some capacity. does that appear to be legislation? does that appear to be removing some individuals that they would say well, these individuals have created heinous acts against americans therefore we are going to deport them? you need to have some of this in order to fulfill that desire. >> david, it wasn't just a tagline. i remember the convention, there were printed signs that they passed out to everybody at the convention say mass deportations. is it enough if he throws out some people

who have committed crimes, serve their prison sentence then makes a big deal of throwing them out or if it gets into separating families , that's a whole other level that i'm not sure people are prepared for. >> i think donald trump , and sabrina can speak to this, you know, this is an applause line for him. i'm not questioning that he does -- most americans believe the border needs to be secure and people should not flow in here illegally but it played well, and i think that was why he said what he said. if aspects of this start to not play well, i think he will pull back from . he's not going to want to go to places that will create problems , political problems for him. one thing we should mention , in addition to everything gretchen said, the strain this would put on local law enforcement , so it kind of conflicts with another goal of his, which is the notion that

he's going to somehow impact on crime, which has been coming down anyway but he's going to impact -- and i think local law enforcement around the country are going to have some dealings if they're going to be drawn into it. >> the thing i would add to that is that poll after poll show that the majority of americans, whether or not it was a tagline or just to get people thinking about it and riled up, the majority of americans agreed with mass deportation. >> is a concept , but if it means that all these restaurants and hotels -- >> there also was not a compelling argument on the other side . we did an analysis on just the amount of ads ending. the campaign and rip public and group spent $243 million since kamala harris joined the race, on immigration -related ads. democrats on the other side spent $15 million. let's think about those numbers. the american people

repeatedly hearing about a crisis on the border, fear-based messaging, how bad it was, all the immigrants that have come in the last four years and on the democratic side this is not something kamala harris is leading in on. democrats have struggled to talk about this issue in the years since the biden administration came into office so that as part of it. you are listening to one person offer a solution and that is the one a lot of people went with. >> the mandate is to redress this grievance for a lot of his photos and i'm looking at it in two ways. you have to address those who have committed heinous act. you also have to address the fact that this is an issue as pertains to low skilled workers and increase competitiveness. >> thanks so much. david axelrod is going to come back in a moment. ahead, the president-elect has suggested prosecuting high-level democrats and calls them the enemy from within. the question is what will the department of justice look like in the second administration. from fbi direct your andrew mccabe joined us next.

last year trump said that if he won the white house he would appoint special

prosecutor to go after biden. this year he said vice president harris should be impeached and prosecuted. last month he said the military should be used against the quote, enemy from within. days later he called democratic senator elect adam schiff and policy each an enemy from within. also in the course of just a few days in june this year he said this in two sitdown interviews. >> revenge does take time. i will say that. sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest sometimes it can't. >> those that want people to believe that you want retribution, that you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemies. >> number one, they are wrong. it has to stop because otherwise we are not going to have a country. look. when this election is over based on what they've done , i would have every right to go after them and it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality. >> joining me now is former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe

who was fired and settled a lawsuit saying the election was politically motivated. he also covers the special prosecutions against trunk now in jeopardy. what do you think the rule of law will look like in a second trump term? >> i think it's going to look very different. i think that the entire administration of the justice department, the leadership of the department, the way they think about their mission, all of these things could be fundamentally changed in ways that we have not seen since the imposition of the civil service regime so many years ago. i think the chief bellwether, what to look for first in terms of those things, will be whether or not the president goes back to his plans with schedule f so basically signing an executive order that would change the nature of all of the high level

and mid-level leadership positions in the department and the fbi to political positions, so jobs that could be helped by political flunkies and hacks. >> explained why that such a big deal. it sounds granular. people don't really understand what that might mean. >> those positions right now are protected. you know, federal government positions and people who are in them have the protections of the system. they can be fired for political reasons and things like that. if you change that kind of position description to one that could be filled by somebody who was appointed at the will of the president rather than someone who is come up through the meritocracy, you completely shift the nature of the leadership of these organizations. they will be filled by people who are there to follow the will of the president and the administration rather than to make decisions based on the facts and the law, which is what the department does today so i think that shift will be

seismic if in fact he follows through on that plan. >> summoned the trump world refer to that as the deep state. others say those are civil servants who have the institutional knowledge, who have been there for years and built up a skill set as opposed to somebody who is just coming in based on a political basis. how important will terms trace for attorney general be? >> critical. we have enjoyed attorneys general, whether you like them or not personally, our attorneys general since the nixon era have been committed to this idea that the department should act independently when it comes to making decisions about investigations and prosecutions. despite what you have heard and the campaign rhetoric and all the other stuff, the department does not decide who to prosecute or investigate based on what the

president tells them. that will all change if you have -- if the department is led entirely by people who owe their jobs and their careers to the president and not to the organization itself so yes, if you have someone who takes over the department , who was open about the fact that he is there to do what the president tells him, the implications for that, individual cases and prosecutions, people who were affected by that action are enormous, and in fact it set the tone for the department where people will be afraid to stand up and take independent action to push back against politics when the facts and the law don't call for that sort of action. those people might very well be afraid of standing up for the facts and the love and they're afraid of losing their jobs to the political folks they report to. >> do you think he will follow through on the vengeance? >> i think we have every reason to believe he will. he has said it, as your introductory piece

made very clear, he has made his intent, as we say in the criminal investigative business, very clear, and the conditions within which he will be operating are very different than those he faced in 2016. is not going to have people around him who are committed to keeping him within the guardrails and telling them what is unlawful or inappropriate. he will be surrounded by mostly political sycophants who are there to facilitate whatever it is he wants to do. he's not running for re-election ever, so he's not constrained by that and of course the supreme court has bestowed him with essentially complete immunity so everything he tells the department to do comes under the penumbra of that community and he can't be held accountable for any of those statements or actions. up next, elections have consequences on the country and the party that loses. where do democrats go from here? mike me fee joins me.

the day after democrats lost the white house vermont senator bernie sanders said it

comes as no great surprise the democratic party who has abandoned working-class people would find that the working class had abandoned them. this morning the parties chairman responded by saying biden was the most pro-worker president of my lifetime. just one example of recriminations going on right now for democrats. david , first of all, what you make of this back and forth between sanders and the head of the democratic party and also, where should democrats be pointing the finger? >> you have heard me over the last few days. i do have concerns about the way the democratic party relates to working-class voters in this country. the only group the democrats gained within the election on tuesday was white college graduates , and among working-class voters, there was a significant decline . the only group they went among the people who make more than

hundred thousand dollars a year. you can't win national elections that way and it certainly should not be that way for a party that fashions itself as the party of working people so i think he has a point. mike knows this because we've been talking about it. you can't approach working people like missionaries and say we are here to help you become more like us. there is a kind of unspoken, unintended disdain in that. i think biden has done programmatically some good things for working people but the party itself has increasingly become a smarty-pants suburban college-educated party and it

lends itself to the kind of backlash that we have seen. >> mike, where do you put the blame in terms of the democrats? >> well, yes, they do have a problem with working-class voters. trumps populism has been an effective magnet. if you look at the exit polls, they won college-educated white people, democrats did, by single digits. trump blew away among noncollege-educated white people by nearly 30 points so you know, you can't have a lopsided deal like that. part of it is cultural. i think the democrats need to step back. there's going to be a temptation to criticize the blue on the bumper stickers and you know, , should've gone to wisconsin two more times. it was a solid campaign. it wasn't a great one. i don't think a great one would've worked. >> you think even like the greatest-run campaign would work? >> i mean the truth is technically i think the harris campaign was still stronger than the trump campaign but trump had what i was calling the hundred mile wall of lava behind him. people wanted to fire everybody connected to the democratic party based on inflation and immigration so what they need to do is backup and look at how do they make a case to these workers? how do they fix the democrat woke liberal wine and cheese brand and how do they get ready for the midterms because that is the next big contest and 5% more what they're doing now ,

a tweak here and there is not going to cut it. they need a clean sheet of paper and a really hard-headed look at why the can't connect to people who don't have a college degree. >> i don't necessarily agree on one point which is that the trump campaign did not run a good campaign. they had an easier campaign to run. they just needed to say over and over again, she was joe biden's vice president. she was responsible for these policies and she's going to continue these policies. >> in past defeats i mean, how do parties change? whether it is republicans and democrats you have talked before about bill clinton came out of a turn inward where democratic governors around the country got together and started -- >> mike murphy was one of the mischievous fellows who was behind the reagan conversion of democratic voters in the 80s

and democrats had to consider how have we drifted away from our base . there are these periods of renewal but they require you to think deeply, not to lash out, but to think deeply about what are we missing? why aren't we connecting , and afford voters the respective listening to what they are saying. governors understand that better than people who live in washington, d.c. most of the time , and there are a lot of very strong and successful democratic governors. in pennsylvania , josh shapiro is really a lot of support in rural areas and small towns and he has articulated positions such as state jobs for people who don't necessarily have a college degree but are qualified to do them and he has broken through, so there is going to be an effort to try and think this through, i believe. >> mike, how do you say? >> there has to be an effort

but the problem is, and this is going to be the battle, is a moderate democrats will say it's obvious we need to be more moderate in the progressives will say well, we lost because we were committed. i always call it the fight between the mathematicians and the priest. the mathematicians say well, look at voters with a high school education. look at blue-collar workers. then the priest come in and say it's faith. shout the gospel loader. go to the left so they have a fight on their hands and i can't tell you how it's going to turn out. i am a mathematician. i think the numbers are pretty clear. i think david does what they need to have happen but you have to look at the internal incentives within the party for ideological interest groups have a lot of power so look to the higher level politicians who get outside the d.c. hatfield mccoy thing and operate with a little more creativity delete --

creativity. straight ahead, what elon musk does in a new trump administration what he gets in return. m, what scott calls the testosterone election.

>> who, did you say? let me tell you we have a new star. the star is born. elon. >> the president-elect hailing elon musk. scott calloway, professor of marketing [ inaudible ] in terms of elon musk, how much influence do you think is going to have in this administration? >> i think you will have real influence. mostly on his own companies. i don't know if he has the time or the inclination to get involved in real government reform but i think you will have a pretty heavy hand when it comes to regulation. >> you said before the election something that i think is really prescient and important. you said, this election is going to be decided by who presents a more aspirational

version of masculinity. donald trump doubled down on young men, really focused on reaching out. elon musk i guess you can see is sort of part of that but can you talk about that idea of who presents a more aspirational version of masculinity, why that is so important? >> yes. everyone thought this election was going to be a referendum on women's rights. i would argue this is a referendum on who presented a more aspirational vision of masculinity. elon musk is sending satellites into space, building cars. he is magnificently wealthy. he is provocative. he is entertaining. he is probably the most aspirational role model for most young men globally even if you think that is healthy or not. in addition, the right, and trump, to his credit, embrace the manosphere.

i would argue this is the manosphere election. he basically went on the biggest manosphere podcast and it was a smart thing to do. the joe rogan interview with donald trump got 40 million views on youtube, approximately 15 million downloads. that's 55 million people saw donald trump for three hours. that is more people are about the same number of people who watched the entire world series. if you were to try to get that same audience on cable television he would have to go on this and every other prime time cable news network every night for two weeks. this was not only the manosphere election, it was kind of the podcast election. by going all in on this more aggressive provocative i will put money in your pocket i will get you out of your parents house i'm all about the economy. i'm not as worried about social justice issues. i'm a little bit irreverent. i'm aggressive. i'm provocative boy, it resonated. this was kind of simply put, i would argue this was more of the testosterone election than it was a referendum on bodily autonomy for women. >> you are saying this is someone who publicly endorsed harris. you were critical of the campaign of the democrats

efforts, if there were, to specifically reach out to young men. >> anderson, you were at the convention. there was a parade of every special interest group. there were no young men. there was no acknowledgment of the group that has fallen for the faster than any group in american history over the last 20 years and that is young men. for single women own homes than single men. women are making more money in urban centers under the age of 30, which i think is fantastic but here are some grim statistics. young men are four more times likely to kill themselves, three times more likely to be addicted, more likely to be incarcerated. only one in three men under the age of 30 is in a relationship. one entry live at home. whereas two and three women are in a relationship so what do you have? you have a bunch of men who are not engaging at work, not engaging in relationships, not engaging in school. them

and their parents feel it and if you look at the polling results, the group that swung most aggressively toward trump other than let men was young people 18 to 29. the second biggest demographic by age that swung towards trump was people age 45 to 64. my thesis is tha t it is their parents. social justice issues and what is going on in ukraine take a back seat when your son is in the basement vaping and playing video games and can't find a job. >> and yet, you have pointed out that you believe in the trump administration is is likely there would be a tax increase for young men. >> the harris campaign was unable to expose a basic

economic truth, and that is, deficits, which have been bad under the biden administration but under the trump administration versus the harris economic plan, the deficits are going to be triple and it is great for you and me, anderson, because we own homes and we own stocks on the stimulus of that deficit spending will take the value of our stock center real estate up. but, our kids are going to have to pay that back at some point in their facing inflation, impossible mortgage rates at 15 to 20%, so all deficits do is take the credit card of youths, running such that we can have champagne and cocaine in the club. deficits are nothing but delayed taxes on the young, and the harris campaign was not able to square that circle for him people. the largest tax increase in history is about to happen is a be a massive increase in deficits from donald trump. >> you were speaking metaphorically i think about the clubs. scott gallery, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks, anderson. good to see you. >> that is it for us. the news continues. the source with kevin collins starts now. see you tomorrow.