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tonight on 360, brea 360, b news, president-elect trump names chief of staff making gn manager susie wiles his first cabinet pick and the first woman ever to hold the title. mass deportations of migrants on day one, thank campaigned on it, what it might look like. elon musk, what does he do for a new trump administration and what is you get in return? we talked to professor scott galloway and the impact young men had on the election. good evening and thank you for joining us pick we begin with donald trump's tricep campaign manager susie wiles to be white house chief of staff to do a job four others did with varying degrees of success and frustration in the first administration. concerning access to the president or in

the source's word, the clown card can't come to the white house that will. the same source added, quote, he agreed with her, late today in statement announcing his decision, president-elect said that susie is tough, smart, innovative. she will work tirelessly to make america great again. she had a job to do as a campaign manager for candidate acknowledge difficult to manage and presidents frustrated several chiefs of staff the first time around. thanking her and fellow campaign official, chris lacivita, he highlighted her preference for avoiding the spotlight. >> let me also express my tremendous appreciation for susie and chris , the job you did. susie, come susie, come here, susie. chris, come here, chris. susie likes to say -- stay sort of in the back. we

call her the iceman. >> susie wiles is the first of many people chosen to serve in the second trump administration. differ from the first, things that donald trump jr. underscored today, having a role with the selection process . >> heavily involved in the transition, i want to make sure now that we know who the real players are, people who will deliver on the president of this message to the people, who don't think that they know better than the duly elected president of the united states. >> seems to be suggesting fewer independent thinkers and more loyalists than before to carry out many promises trump made on the campaign trail. >> on day one, i will launch the largest deportation program in american history . if these companies don't make their products here, they will be paying a stiff tariff when they send their products into the united states for the privilege of competing with our workers and now protected companies . i

will end the war in ukraine. i will stop the chaos in the middle east and prevent world war iii from happening. we will build a little defense shield massively, we will build the greatest from the biggest missile defense shield. bobby kennedy, robert f. kennedy jr., rfk jr. and he will work and he does, he is very strong on the pesticides and all the other different things. >> we will talk more tonight how he plans to deliver on some of that and repercussions if he does, especially from his deportation plans. more in the chief of staff appointment. what should people know about susan wild? -- susie wiles ? >> is a loyalist, stuck by his side after he left washington in disgrace in 2021 , she came to work for him. she stuck with him throughout the campaign, she served as defective chief of staff after his first term, i was there an election night when he threw a fit because

this was 2022, because none of his candidates won, she was by his side then and when he announced his candidacy shortly afterwards and has remained by his side one of the important things to point out is that, quote, are all i got from an ally of susie wiles from the clown car, something she did and did well on the campaign. one of her mottos when she talks to people close to her, she can't control donald trump and understands that but she can control everything around him. that means access to the former president , now president-elect. that is something she will do in the white house. they believe she did this well, keeping controversial figures away from donald trump, obviously, she could not always do that trying to keep the chaos around him , who is a chaotic person , to a minimum. this is setting the tone for the entire administration because it is clear she is someone taken seriously in republican circles, particularly not just the matter side of things that

the establishment side, people respect susie wiles. this really gives an indication of where this will go. first and foremost, the thing that he cares about most is the fact she was loyal to him. >> were other people being talked about for high profile jobs? >> reporter: there is a long list, i want to make sure that we are being clear there will be a lot of jockeying and the positions will roll out. some might come as early as this week, these names are some of the names being floated around. for secretary of state, one big one, senator marco rubio. this has been floating around since he did not get vice president. don jr., top advisor donald trump, his father, lashed out at marco rubio, had some nasty things to say when he was up for vice president. we will see how that plays out. attorney general, one of the most important positions in donald trump's administration because donald trump wants to control the justice department, ken paxton, the texas attorney

general on that list, mike lee also on the list. i want to add one morning we don't have, john ratcliffe, the former director of national intelligence, these are names floating around. elon musk is up for some kind of government efficiency adviser. one thing to note about that, donald trump joked about the fact elon musk will not join the government, he does not want to get rid of his properties are companies, he does not want to divest. we are told this will likely be a workaround for elon musk in the form of a committee or adviser role. robert f. kennedy jr. , someone very interested in that, public health adviser likely, we will see how this plays out. we know the rfk has been talking about how he wants to be potentially a secretary. elise stefanik for u.n. ambassador, that is one ontology is met with the head of the transition team. and carolyn levin for press secretary get moving fast as he names susie wiles today, see what the next position he puts forward is. >> michael shingleton and senior political commentator jim axelrod . journalist for

the washington post. david, would you make for the pick of chief of staff? >> i said many times during the course of the campaign donald trump, the trump campaign had a rational campaign and irrational candidate . she kept the campaign, she and chris lacivita kept the campaign on track and they did to a large degree keep the clown car away. it is tougher in some ways in washington. >> talk about that, the role of the chief of staff, you saw this at the white house yourself with the obama administration, there were in the former trump administration, meetings with senior leaders. >> my guess is she will try to tightly control who goes into the oval office so people can't wander in and influence things without her knowledge . that will be very important.

the chief of staff, chief of staff in power can be really, really important in terms of paper flow to the president, the people the president sees, the decision tree. it can be very, very important. i will tell you this, chief of staff is very effective if the feeling around washington is that chief of staff has the confidence of the president. the fact that they developed this close relationship , very important. >> michael, as a republican, would you think? >> i'm excited, i have known susie wiles a very long time, there are people not necessarily pro-trump but are pro-susie wiles because to them, this signals the second coming of eight trump presidency will be very different . she is a trusted thinker, she has several decades of political experience and someone who can prioritize and manage an operation. you know this very well, that is

critical to david's point of controlling the flow of information and access to the former president and having someone he trusts to set up those guardrails will be critical to making sure whatever types of judgment calls that are made, the best advisers are getting to him first and not anyone else. i felt confident about how this is shaping up. >> controlling, donald trump is a unique figure in american politics and given what we have seen, only so much one can do i would imagine. >> she was doing something right because she lasted a long time with him and the idea she was as disciplined with him as possible. i'm thinking about laura loomer, who was with him during the 9/11 ceremonies, which is not a good look and she probably was not happy about that. one thing i want to focus on is she is the first female chief of staff. when i heard that today, wow. that has never happened before and the first thing i thought of after that was mark cuban owes her an apology for saying that donald trump was not surrounding himself with strong and smart women because obviously she has

been able to hang on to this role as a smart, strong woman with donald trump as long to i did also like the fact she will keep the clown car out. i think donald trump is influenced by the last person he speaks to . i think that is really important. i also thought about the fact he brought corey lewandowski, this past summer, i'm sure she did not like that as well. the talk at that time was, maybe she will be on the way out and corey lewandowski will be higher up. i think this is well deserved role for her. >> you covered the campaign very well. >> for me, what is interesting is to see voter reaction. voters are less concerned about who exactly are the people that will be executing the policy, with a want to see is donald trump, the office on day one and do the things he promised he was going to do . a lot of these things are very lofty ambitious plans. to execute the largest mass deportation effort in u.s. history will require a

lot of coordination. we know from extensive reporting that behind-the-scenes, trump allies have been planning for this for a while. it is a question of watching him set up things in the next few months to be able to start implementing those things on day one. >> in terms of selecting people in a new administration, what does that process, how is it? you have advantage, they have done it before, they know what mistakes they made the last time. >> a lot of people thinking about this, they had a process going on. >> loyalty seems to be top of the list. >> what happened last time, they had a transition team, chris christie was heading that transition team, he had differences, jared kushner had differences with him and took his transition report and threw it into the garbage. obviously, this is a little more orderly. now that she is empowered as chief of staff, you think she will play a larger role in this. one thing we should mention, this will mean nothing

to you, anderson, a lot of people know this, pat summerall was her father, who was a great football player and kicker and broadcaster. she has been around blocking and tackling all of her life, that will be useful. >> you heard donald trump jr. say that he will be very involved in looking over the vetting process, the hiring process, loyalty , clearly, they feel they had people around the president , then president trump the last time who were trying to control his impulses. it seems like they don't want that same type of person around. >> i think susie wiles will try to do a little bit of that. he is the president, you want individuals that will serve the president and serve him well. i was part of the transition team in 2016, dr. carson went to hyde -- had in . you have some good people and not some good people. looking at some of the

names we have seen suggested for their roles, this will be different. you saw sabrina talk about mass immigration, how do you execute that? you need people that can do it and do it well. what will that look like, who are you choosing ? a lot of complexities there. if you're looking at this from the trump perspective, the first 60 or 90 days, not only immigration but the economy . what does that look like, what is the focus? not necessarily finding people uber loyal to the president but trying to bring to fruition his ideas. >> he is going to win the popular vote. i think that he feels like his mandate, he has more power in his mandate thinking the majority of american citizens want him to do what he campaigned on, whether or not that is true to the other 46% the did not vote for him, that is another story. i think you will take control in different way this time. he

did not understand washington, d.c. when he came in 2016. he brought people that understood it better than he did and clashed with a lot of those people. >> interesting to see what role vice president vance will have in this administration. when you are running, you see the vice president campaigning a lot, as we saw when biden took office, vice president harris disappeared from public view for a long time. >> i think it is an open question at this point how involved vance will be or what exactly donald trump will want to see him doing. if it is having vance out touting what trump is doing those first days and being a cheerleader for donald trump, i think we will see some of j.d. vance, if j.d. vance goes off script and gives different messaging around how things will be executed, i think he will be in more behind the scene role. what we expect from vice presidents often. >> will take a break, next, planning underway to implement that mass deportation promise

and promised to investigate and prosecute political rivals and use the military if necessary against americans. and the near-total immunity the supreme court gave him, does that add up to a threat to the rule of law? we look at that next.

more breaking news tonight, federal judge struck down biden administration policy giving legal status to certain document and vigils married u.s. citizens. it comes of multiple sources tell cnn the trump transition team along with some in the private sector plan to carry out candidate trump's promise to carry out the largest mass deportation ever of migrants living in the u.s. priscilla alvarez joins us with more and what that might entail. what would mass deportations look like? >> reporter: there has not been anything like mass deportation in recent memory because it is so challenging to do with the limited federal resources that there are. donald trump has said , no doubt, his first order of business is mass deportation. there is a key difference from his 2016 campaign which was focused on the border and the border wall. it comes against the backdrop of the last few years of order crises under the biden administration , which resulted in criticism of this

administration from republicans and democrats. i have been talking to homeland security officials over the last several days and they are preparing for seismic change in immigration policy. they are no strangers to the whiplash. when president joe biden took office, he reversed the trump administration policies and the same homeland security officials are anticipating the return of those policies . talking to them, they tell me a mixed bag of emotions, some are shellshocked by the election results while others are more optimistic and hopeful, wanting a stronger posture on the u.s. southern border. it speaks to the reality of the situation which is immigration policy has been dictated by executive actions which result in this whiplash from one administration to the next. now it is paving the way for these mass deportation plans donald trump has promised repeatedly on the trail. >> how difficult could it be to put this into motion ? >> there's a lot of moving

parts, what i'm told by sources that, even before election day, trump allies and some in the private sector were preparing for detaining and deporting migrants on a large scale. i mention the private sector because the federal government largely leans on contractors to manage facilities. they need them to do this type of work, mostly because there are very few federally owned facilities. that is the key element of all of this, detention pit you cannot mass deport without mass detention. if you arrest someone, they have to be retained somewhere before repatriated to their home country. that is the key element of this which requires money. earlier, donald trump said that there's no price tag to mass deportation. there is, however. for one undocumented immigrant to be apprehended, detained, processed, removed, that is nearly $11,000. that is for one individual. add that up, looking at millions if not billions of dollars. the department of homeland security has previously moved money around to try to shore up funds

for more detention space. i've spoken to officials who say it would have to be so much more than what they can do right now with the money that they have. that is part of it, they also need more personnel, there is the element of diplomacy. there needs to be agreements with countries if you're going to send people back. certainly a lot of work here. what i'm being told by sources is it is being discussed and there are preparations ongoing to try to execute on this as soon as donald trump takes office. >> priscilla alvarez, thank you. back with the panel. david, you went through this with the obama administration early on. there were deportations, what are the difficulties, how do you see the trump promises -- >> i think priscilla laid them out, it is a very involved process to deport people. one of the questions i have is, whatever deportations donald

trump has, he will say is the largest mass deportation in history. what that number actually turns out to be is another question because in addition to all of the expenses of deporting people , there is a disruptive element. if you were to really to engage in mass deportations in this country, there are economic implications of that, diplomatic implications , all kinds of implications. of these decisions . >> there's also, people in prison receiving sentences, they're not deported until they finish those sentences. it is complicated. if you are looking to deport 1 million people, it is not all people who committed crimes, it is people married to an american citizen but they don't have citizenship. >> people in this country are frustrated about what happened at the border, frustrated about people who break the law to

come into the country. he was speaking to that in the course of the campaign, living up to the words, which were really meant to provoke , actually implementing them as a policy, far more complicated. >> i did up the numbers, 11 million undocumented immigrants in 2022, trump says there were more. $315 million to deport them. you don't have the manpower to do that. you would have to get the national guard out there, which he may do. you're also talking about huge employers who will not necessarily be happy with this because these are the workers working for them. suddenly in the hospitality industry, for example, in las vegas or other big cities, they potentially would lose all of those workers. you have the influence of these ceos coming to trump now that he is elected, i don't know, maybe not so fast there are tons of implications. >> sabrina, you attended a lot

of rallies, this was pointed out . >> this is the number one talking point in the loudest cheers you would hear at each of his rallies, when he was denigrating undocumented immigrants that have come in recent years and him making this promise repeatedly throughout his rallies. what is interesting talking to voters, a chunk of the people that voted for donald trump don't actually believe he will deport every single immigrant. there is the expectation or belief he will focus on criminals, he will focus on people who have come in the last four years under the biden administration, there will be distinctions made on who exactly gets deported. a lot of people are not necessarily expecting that on day one he will start rounding up people, a lot of people don't actually believe the concept of there will be camps to help transition people in the process of deportation. there is the real question of how this will be executed i think for some of the people that voted for donald trump, there will be a grace period of them trying to see how he navigates it.

>> as david said, call it mass deportations, it is not actually mass deportations. >> he has to address it, i think the immigration laws have been modified in such a way that leads to influx of illegal immigrants thus low skilled workers and those low skilled workers compete against a lot of americans that would typically fulfill those jobs. i think that some could also argue that they do put , i guess extremities on already existing limitations of social programs in many cities across the country, whether that is housing, healthcare, and other things. i think the mandate on the former president will -- these individuals created heinous acts against americans, we will deport them. you need to have some of this in order to fulfill that desire for people that voted for him. >> this doesn't -- wasn't

just a tag line, printed signs that passed out to everyone at the convention, mass deportation. is it enough if he throws out people that have committed crimes, served their prison sentence, makes a big deal throwing them out? if it gets into separating families , that is a whole other level , i'm not sure people are prepared for. >> i think donald trump, sabrina can speak to this, this is applause line for him, i'm not questioning, most americans believe the border needs to be secure and people should not float in here illegally. but played well, i think that was why he said what he said. aspects of this start not to play well, i think he will pull back from it. he will not want to go to places that will create problems , political

problems for him. one thing we should mention, in addition to everything gretchen said, the strain this would put on local law enforcement, it conflicts with another goal of his, the notion that he will somehow impact on crime, which is coming down anyway. i think local law enforcement around the country are going to have some feelings, if they are drawn into this. >> the only other thing i would add to that, poll after poll showed that the majority of americans, whether or not a tag line or to get people thinking about and riled up in the majority of americans agreed with mass deportation. >> as a concept. if it means that all of these restaurants and hotels -- >> they weren't thinking that . >> there is not a compelling argument on the other side. we did an analysis on the amount of ad spending, the trump campaign and republican groups spent $243 million since kamala harris joined the race on immigration -related ads.

democrats on the other side of this spent $15 million. think about those numbers, the american people were repeatedly hearing about a crisis on the border, about fear-based messaging on how bad it was, albeit immigrants that have come the last four years. on that image -- democratic side, not something kamala harris was leaning in on immigration. democrats have struggled to talk about the issue in the years since the biden administration came into office. that is part of it, you are listening to one person offer a solution and that is when a lot of people went with. >> reaches agreements from a lot of voters, looking at it in two ways, address those that committed heinous acts and address the fact this is an issue as it pertains to low skilled workers and increased competitiveness. if he can do that, that a success. >> shermichael singleton missa bruno rodriguez, gretchen carlson, jim axelrod, thank you. the president-elect suggested prosecuting high-level democrats and addressing the enemy within. what will the department of justice look like with second trump ?

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want the white house who would appoint a special prosecutor to go after president biden picked this year, he says vice president harris should be impeached and prosecuted. special counsel jack smith, trump said should be thrown out of the country. last month, he said the military should be used against, quote, the enemy from within. days later, he called adam schiff and nancy pelosi each an enemy from within. also to the course of a few days in june this year, he said this in two sitdown interviews. >> revenge does take time, i will say. sometimes revenge can be justified. i have to be honest, sometimes they can. >> those that want people to believe that you want retribution, that you will use the system of justice to go after your political adversaries. >> number one, they're wrong, it has to stop otherwise we will not have a country to win this election is over, based on what they have done, i would have every right to go after them and it is easy because it is joe biden and you see all of

the criminality . >> during his former fbi deputy director fired hours before his retirement by the first attorney general, settled subsequent lawsuit saying that the termination was politically motivated. podcast that covers special counsel prosecutions against trump in jeopardy. what you think the rule of law will look like in the second trump term? >> i think it will look very different. i think the entire administration of the justice department, the leadership in the department, the way they think about their mission, all of these things can be fundamentally changed in ways that we have not seen since the imposition of the civil service regime so many years ago. i think the chief bellwether, what to look for first in terms of those things will be whether or not the president goes back to his plans of schedule f.

signing executive order that would change the nature of all of the high-level, mid-level leadership positions in the department of the fbi to political positions. jobs that could be held by political flunkies and hacks. if he does that . >> explain why that is a big deal, it sounds granular, people might not understand what that means. >> those positions right now are protected, federal government positions and people in them have the protections of the system. they can't be fired for political reasons and things like that. if you change that position description to one that can be filled by political, someone appointed at the will of the president rather than someone who came up through the meritocracy, you completely shift the nature of the leadership of these organizations. they will be filled by people who are there to follow the will of the president and administration rather than to make decisions

based on the facts and the law, which is what the department is today. i think that shift will be seismic, if he follows through on that plan. >> some in the trump world refer to that as the deep state, others say those are civil servants who have institutional knowledge, who have been there for years and built up a skill set as opposed to someone just coming in based on political basis. how important will the trump choice of attorney general be? >> critical. we have enjoyed attorneys general, whether you like them or not personally, attorneys general since the nixon era committed to this idea that the department should act independently when it comes to making decisions about investigations and prosecutions. despite what you heard in the campaign rhetoric and all of the other stuff, the department does not decide to do prosecute, investigate based on what the president tells them. that will all change if

the department is led entirely by people who owe their jobs and careers to the president and not the organization itself. if you have someone who takes over the department , who is open about the fact he is there to do what the president tells him , the implications for that on individual cases and prosecutions, people affected by those actions are enormous. it sets the tone for the department where people will be afraid to stand up and take independent action, push back against politics when the facts of the law do not call for that sort of action. those people might be afraid of standing up for the facts and the law when they are afraid of losing their jobs to the political folks that they report to. >> you think you will follow through on the vengeance? >> i think we have every reason to believe he will. he has said it , as your introductory piece

made clear. he made his intent, as we say in the criminal investigative business, very clear. and the conditions within which he will be operating are very different than those he faced in 2016. he will not have people around him committed to keeping him within the guardrails and telling him what is unlawful or inappropriate. he is surrounded by mostly political sycophants who are there to facilitate whatever he wants to do. he is not running for re-election , ever. he is not constrained by that and the supreme court has bestowed him with essentially complete immunity. everything he tells the department will do comes within that immunity and he can't be held attainable for the statements or actions. >> andrew mccabe, appreciate your time. elections have consequences on the country and the party that loses, the question is where democrats go from here. david axelrod joins me next.

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this diagnosis on social media, quoting him now, it should come as no surprise, the democratic party that abandon working-class people would find working-class people has abandoned them. this morning, the party chairman responded saying, quote, to straight up yes, but in the most pro-worker president of my lifetime. one example of the ruminations and postmortems going on for democrats. david axelrod is back and republican consultant mike murphy, two veteran political strategist and host of hacks podcast. david, first of all, what you make of the back-and-forth between sanders and head of the democratic party? where should democrats be pointing the finger? >> you heard me over the last few days, i do have concerns about the way the democratic party relates to working-class voters in this country. the only group democrats gained with in the election on tuesday was white college graduates. among working-class voters, there was a significant decline, the only group they

won among democrats were people that make more than $100,000 a year you cannot win national elections that way and should not be that way for a party that fashions itself as the party of working people. i think he has a point, mike knows this because we have been talking about it, you can't approach working people like missionaries, we are here to help you become more like us. there is unspoken disdain, unintended disdain in that. i think biden has done programmatically some good things for working people but the party itself has increasingly become a smarty-pants, suburban , college-educated party . it lends itself to the kind of backlash that we have seen. >> mike , where you put the blame in terms of the democrats ? >> they do have a problem of working-class voters, trumps populism has been effective

magnet. looking at the exit polls, they won college-educate d white people, the democrats did by single digits. trump blew away among noncollege educated white people by nearly 30 points. you can't have a lopsided deal like that. part of it is cultural. i think the democrats need to step back. there will be temptation to criticize the glue on the bumper stickers and kamala should've gone to wisconsin two more times. that is not the story, it was a solid campaign, not a great one, i don't think a great one would've worked. >> you think even greatest run campaign would not have worked? >> yeah, the truth is, technically, i think the harris campaign was stronger than the trump campaign. but trump what i had wall of lava behind him, people wanted to fire everybody connected to the democratic party based on inflation and immigration. what they need to do is back up, how do they make a case to these workers, how do

they fix the democrat, liberal, wine and cheese brand ? how do they get it ready for the midterms because that is the next big contest. 5% more than what they're doing now, a tweak here and there will not cut it they need 10 sheets of paper and a hardheaded look why they can't connect to people that don't have a college degree. >> i don't necessarily agree on one point which is that the trump campaign did not run a good campaign. they had an easier campaign to run, they just needed to say over and over again, she was joe biden's vice president. she was responsible for these policies and she will continue these policies. >> in past defeats, how do parties change ? whether republicans or democrats, you talked before bill clinton came out of turn inward, governors, democratic governors around the country got together -- >> mike murphy was one of the

mischievous fellows behind the reagan conversion of democratic voters in the '80s. democrats had to consider, how have we drifted away from our base? there are periods of renewal but they require you to think deeply, not to lash out but think deeply about what are we missing, why aren't we connecting? afford voters the respect of listening to what they are saying. governors understand that better than people who live in washington, d.c. most of the time. there are a lot of very strong and successful democratic governors. in pennsylvania, josh shapiro has a lot of support in rural areas and small towns. he has articulated positions such as state jobs for people who don't necessarily have a college degree but are qualified to do them. he has broken through.

there is going to be an effort to try to think this through, i believe. >> might, how do you see it? >> there has to be an effort. the problem is, this will be the battle, the moderate democrats will say, it is obvious, we need to be more moderate and the progressives will say we lost because we were not committed. i always call it the fight between the mathematicians and the priests. the mathematicians say to look at voters with high school education, look at blue-collar workers. the priest will say it is faith, shout the gospel louder, go to the left. they have a fight on their hands. i can't tell you how it will turn out, i'm a mathematician , i think the numbers are clear, i think david knows exactly what they need to happen. you have to look at the internal incentives within the party were ideological interest groups have a lot of power. i think he is right, to the governors who tend to be the higher-level politicians that get outside the d.c. hatfield

mccoy think and operate more creativity. >> mike murphy and david axelrod thank you so much. still had, what elon musk does with the new trump administration and what he gets in return. professor scott galloway joins me and what scott calls the testosterone election.

mourn the role tech billionaire elon musk will have president-elect trump returns to the white house. one of trump's biggest financial backers. trump supporter steered his name in the president-elect gave his victory speech . >> who did you say? let me tell you, we have a new star, a star is born, elon . >> professor scott galloway , new york university school of business. in terms of elon musk, how much influence do you think you will have in this administration? >> i think he will have real

influence, mostly on his own companies, i don't know if you have the time or inclination to get in any kind of real government reform. i think you will have a heavy hand when it comes to regulation. >> you said before the election something i think is really pressing and important, you said, this election will be decided to present a more aspirational vision of masculinity. donald trump doubled down on young men, really focused on reaching out. elon musk , i guess you could see part of that, can you talk about that, that idea of who presents a more aspirational vision of masculinity, why that is so important? >> everyone thought this election would be a referendum on women's rights, i would argue this is a referendum on who presented a more aspirational vision of masculinity. elon musk is sending satellites into space, building cars, magnificently wealthy, he is provocative, entertaining, i would argue the most aspirational role model

for most young men globally, even if you think that is healthy or not. in addition , the right, trump to his credit embraced the election. he went on joe rogan , lex friedman, he went on the biggest podcast and it was a smart thing to do. let me give you the numbers, joe rogan interviewed donald trump got 40 million views on youtube, 55 million people saw donald trump for three hours. that is more people or about the same number of people that watch the entire world series. if you got the same audience on cable television -- i will get

you out of your parents house, all about the economy, i'm not as worried about social justice issues, a little bit all reverent, aggressive, provocative. it resonated. this was simply put, i would argue this was more that testosterone election then it was a referendum on bodily autonomy for women. >> you're saying this is somebody that publicly endorsed harris. you were critical of the campaign of the democrats , efforts, if there were, specifically to reach out to you. >> i understand, you were at the convention, there was a parade of every special interest group, there were no young men, there was no acknowledgment of the group that has fallen further, faster than any group in american history over the last 20 years, that is young men. more single women own homes than single men. women are making more money at urban centers under the age of 30, which i think is fantastic . here are some grim statistics, young men are four times more likely to kill

themselves, three times more like you to be addicted, 12 times more lucky to be incarcerated, one in three men under the age of 30 in a relationship. one in three live at home, one in 530-year-old men live at home. where is two or three mac women in our relationship. you have men not engaging at work, not engaging in relationships, not engaging in school. them and their parents feel it . if you look at the polling results, the group that swing most aggressively toward trump , other than latin men, was young people 18 to 29. the second biggest demographic by age that swing for trump was people age 45 to 64. my thesis is that as their parents. social justice issues and what is going on in ukraine take a back seat when your son is in the basement vaping and playing video games and can't find a job. >> and yet you pointed out, under the trump administration, likely there would be tax increase for young people.

>> the harris campaign was unable to expose basic economic truth . that is deficits, which have been bad under the biden administration, under trump administration versus the harris economic plan, deficits will be triple. it is great for you and me because we own homes and stocks. the stimulus of the deficit spending will take the value of our stocks and real estate up. but our kids will have to pay that back at some point. they are facing inflation, and possible mortgage rates of 15 to 20%. all they do is take the credit card abuse, run it so we can have champagne and cocaine in the club. deficits are nothing but delay taxes on the young. the harris campaign was not able to square that circle for young people. the largest tax increase in history is about to happen. vis-à-vis massive increase in deficits from donald trump.