deficit spending will take the value of our stocks and our real estate up. but our kids are going to have to pay that back at some point, and they're facing inflation, impossibly mortgage rates of 15% to 20%. all deficits do is take the credit card of youth, run it such that we can have champagne and cocaine in the club. deficits are nothing but delayed taxes on the young. the harris campaign was not able to square that circle for young people. the largest tax increase in history is about to happen vis-a- vis a massive increase in deficits from donald trump. >> i know you were speaking cnn this morning. >> susie likes to stay sort of

in the back, let me tell you. the ice queen, we call her the ice queen. top spot, donald trump tapping his campaign manager and white house chief of staff. plus. >> if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> standing from, the chair of the federal reserve says step down at the president-elect tries to push him out. >> it would be a mistake , not only to lay the blame now, but also to give up on the community. >> grappling with defeat, democrats look in the mirror for answers and white latino voters watch to trump. 5:00 a.m., here on the east coast with a live look at the capitol hill on this friday morning. good morning, everyone, it is finally friday. we made it to the end of a particularly long week. i am kasie hunt, it is good to have

you with us. just days after his historic comeback victory, we are learning plans for donald trump poll new administration. their plans now? stepping up. he has already announced his pick for chief of staff. his campaign manager, susie wiles, and she will make history as the first woman to serve in that role. trump praised wiles in his victory speech in west palm beach. >> susie and christopher the job you did. susie, come susie, come. susie likes to stay sort of in the back. the ice cream, we call her the ice cream. >> after running what has been considered to be trump's most disciplined campaign yet, she says she asked for more control over previous oscar access to trump once he was in office. trump telling cnn, client car can't come into the white house at will and he agrees with her. that is a reference to trump's first term, his previous chiefs of staff

struggled to keep people from meeting with the president. trump also reportedly taking the job of selecting top positions more seriously this time around. a trump advisor telling cnn quote, back when it seemed like an obvious seeming thing, but it seems like in lle him and who nora knew more about dc to make decisions for him. he is far more involved now. joining us now is the hill's julia manchester, and actually , julia will be joining us momentarily , as we, of course, learn more about what the trump administration is going to look like. control of capitol hill still hanging in the balance now as we are trying to learn more, we are still understanding whether or not the house was expected to go republican, but of course, it is the united dates senate that is really going to make the difference in terms of whether and how donald trump's nominees. and julie manchester does join us now. julio, good

morning. >> let's talk about susie wiles at the beginning. that fascinating moment as trump declares victory on tuesday night. he tried to call susie wiles up to the microphone. she actually wouldn't take it comes to give to her campaign manager instead and, while that may be the image she wanted to send publicly, here's part of that moment where she shakes her head and says no on the tape in that microphone. behind the scenes she does not stand back the way you saw her to this in public she is incredibly widely respected, not just in trump's universe, but by republicans. she has been in republican politics for a long time before trump. what does this say about the new trump administration looks like? >> i think it shows there could be more discipline compared to the last administration, as you talked about just a few minutes ago. never struggles with his previous chiefs of staff to really control him. we know that this campaign compared to the last two trump campaigns has been very disciplined. i mean, she has been able to sort of control his cabinet, as much

as you can because ultimately donald trump make that decision, but she has been very much able to discipline the campaign, limit who gets around him, and look, she has a lot of experience, you know, positive experience as a political operative, particularly in florida. we know that she has been involved with senator scott 's past campaigns, 2016 with president trump's run there. ron desantis. it has increasingly become red. and it is because of people. >> ron desantis really-- >> there is definitely-- >> susie while to be inaugurated president. >> julia, one thing that we are reporting here is that the thing that wiles wanted was control of who had access to the president. and we know that donald trump as a person , often is incredibly influenced by the last person that he spoke to. so, this is a way to try to stay on top of that.

recognizes and shows that susie wiles really knows the man she is dealing with. >> and that is going to be huge. because we saw the harris campaign continuously try to paint donald trump as someone who was chaotic, and pointed to the scenes from his first administration, his 2020 campaign, and you know, susie wiles, because of how discipline she was able to keep donald trump, to an extent. i mean, there were certainly criticisms of his rhetoric, certain moments during the campaign. you know, i think we could expect to see something different here. you know, we heard so much of the policy intrigue in the weeks during the first trump administration. i think it will be an effort by susie wiles to put a lid on that. >> so, julia, this is just the first of many roles that trump will have to fill here. of course, the conversation is ongoing about the secretary of defense, secretary of state, marco rubio'me has bn in play. we also have doug bergen , governor of north dakota . let's watch what he had to say

about the transition. >> i think it is a sign of respect for the whole state of north dakota that my name is popping up on the short list. he and i were on the same page. you can't do transition, you really shouldn't even be talking about it until after you win an election. and of course, now, yesterday and today, those discussions are rolling in earnest. >> so now, of course, mar-a-lago at the center of this, because as we hear, trump is superstitious, is superstitious, didn't want to plan this ahead of time. what are the sources on the hill who might fill these positions and who maybe out? >> so, what is interesting, the u.n. ambassador you are hearing, congresswoman, elise stephan and house republican leadership has been incredibly vocal about anti-semitism in the u.s. and their support of israel. we know she was in israel earlier this year. she is going to be an ally come in

many ways to netanyahu conservatives in israel. so she is floated for the spot of u.n. ambassador, and she is probably going to, obviously clash with some people , some figures in the u.n. on the issue of israel. marco rubio, of course, secretary of state, a lot of republicans love to hear that name, because we know that is someone who is well-versed in foreign policy and intelligence. he is not necessarily, i would say, a moderate. someone who sort of speaks to a number of foreign corners of the republican party. even republicans who might have been sort of part of the trump administration, they like to see names. >> julie manchester of the hill. you are heading into bz season. coming up on cnn this morning, per minister israeli net meeting netanyahu welcoming donald trump with open arms. also russian president vladimir putin also praising the president-elect and playing

the blame game. how democrats are coming to terms with losing some of their most critical voting blocks. >> i think we have used too much condemnation and not enough invitation to appeal to american voters. i think democrats have pretty good product. but not good packaging, not the distribution.

welcome back. more than 20 world leaders have made contact with donald trump to congratulate him on winning the presidency. among them? israeli prime minister, benjamin at yahoo who praised trump in a tweet for quote, history poll greatest come back, on a quote, historic return to the white house offers a new beginning for america and a powerful recommititment to the great alliance between israel and america. a sentiment shared by many in israel. including members of the military. >> on the occasion of donald trump's presidency, god bless america and god bless israel. >> i think it is good for israel. yeah. it is better than kamala harris. >> i think it is going to be a new era for the world. the middle east, for israel. things are going to be-- things are going to change. >> let's go live to london where we find cnn's max

foster. max, good morning. so we are hearing benjamin netanyahu praising what he calls a recommitment to the israeli alliance. what does this mean for israel? >> he is obviously, he has spoken to netanyahu that he is very synthetic to, you know, the israeli cause. at the same time, we have heard him often talking about how he wants to end wars, netanyahu doesn't show any indication that he wants to end his war. so, then we look back at what trump said over the campaign, i think a couple of things stand out. one of them was when he-- trump talks about finishing the problem with the war against hamas, suggesting that there is some leeway for netanyahu to continue with that mission to completely destroy hamas with gaza. but the other just seemed in the campaign, which, if you remember, trump criticized biden for opposing the idea that israel should attack the

nuclear sites within iran. in response for an attack on israel. so, biden felt that was going too far, trump criticized that. so, it does suggest that, you know, maybe israel would be allowed to attack those nuclear sites, which would take away, in israel's eyes, the nuclear threat from iran. but again, just going to what he said before, and you probably have to look at what he does. >> indeed you do. and we are, of course about to find out, max, while i have you, i also want to touch on what has been going on in amsterdam overnigtell us about this? >> we have verified these videos, there were lots of them, a clearly serious incident last night. we are

hearing more actually from the israeli side, more than anything, diplomats and government people. they are suggesting that they were-- these israeli fans left a match. they were attacked. not clarity on who they were attacked by, but israelis think it was a planned attack from language and social media chatter leading up to this. and then, initially, prime minister netanyahu extended claims, would you believe, to amsterdam to evacuate israeli citizens, which is an extraordinary situation, we are not sure if that is still happening, but certainly, there is a plan to evacuate any israelis to get out of the netherlands and israeli for ministers. the foreign minister saying this was a barbaric and anti-semitic attack and called them a blaring alarm call for europe and the world. so, this idea, the rising anti-semitism in europe, something certainly resonating with in israel. >> all right, max foster, this

morning, max, thank you so much for that, have a wonderful weekend. >> cheers. 16 minutes past the hour. here's the morning roundup. the fbi now investigating the rising racist text messages that are being sent from random phone numbers nationwide. people receiving the offensive text in at least eight states, it references to slave catchers and picking cotton plantations. three people facing charges in argentina, surrounding liam payne's death, including a hotel employee and a suspected drug dealer. officials are considering charges of abandonment of a person before death and other abandonment charges. liam payne died after falling from a hotel balcony last month. one of president elect donald trump's lead attorney's phones were tapped by chinese hackers according to cnn sources. we are told the fbi alerted todd blanche of the hacker's access to voice recordings and texts. none of

the information pertains to trump, but blanche is now the second of two trump attorneys to be targeted by hackers. time now for weather. the wildfire burning in california, ventura county destroying more than 100 homes. >> i didn't know if our neighbors got out and my phone didn't work, so i couldn't-- i didn't know if anybody was stuck. >> the fire scorching more than 20,400 acres this wednesday morning. virtually today the wind that fueled the flames . let's get to meteorologist, derek van dam with more on this, derek, good morning. >> crazy, we heard so many harrowing stories, and only residence on the ground, but local firefighters battling this mountain fire. again, this is an western ventura county come and look at people just working together as a team as a fire breaks in place. you can see the fire back in the distance approaching towards these properties. we already know that dozens of homes and structures have already been burnt. the good news is that

the wind that fueled the flames continues to relax. certainly not the oranges and yellows that we saw at this time yesterday morning, with the intense santa ana wind event that took shape this week. and even heading into the rest of the weekend we don't see that picking up from the offshore direction. although, we will get an onshore component. so, some smoke that has been building from these wildfires will move inland and actually start to bring very poor air quality across ventura, los angeles, san bernardino areas. red flag warning still exist in the interior mountains of southern california. let me take you to the other side of the country, where another red flag warning is in place for a large population density in the new england coastline. 57% of the northeast under drought conditions right now, extremely dry. we have been monitoring the dry weather that has been impacting the northeast, but now some dry, relative

humidity, so that is including our increasing fire risk across our area and lastly i am going to leave you with this. major snowstorm across northern colorado and northern sections of new mexico. incredible footage with cars and vehicles and trucks on highways over three feet of snow piles up. casey? >> well, let's hope everyone is safe, but i will say at least it is summer somewhere. >> that is for sure. >> derek i will see you next hour. >> okay. all right, still ahead here on cnn this morning, the fed orders another recut. what it means for the economy. and while a shakeup could be on the way for the federal reserve when donald trump takes office. now the democratic party left to do soul-searching after the election with historically reliable blocks of supporters. i think myself, a lot of other latinos across the country feel the vice president

was going to win the latino vote and she obviously didn't win it, but the fact that we lost, simply the most latino men would support is a challenge.

5:24 a.m. on the east coast. a live look at las vegas nevada, where it is 4:24 a.m. pacific time. it is good to have you with us. as washington grapples with the reality of donald trump's return, the dramatic shift in the electorate are also calling into focus. trump's victory on thursday found broad support with latino voters. cnn poll and took a look at what drove the shift. >> in 2016, this happened at a donald trump rally in arizona. >> look at that sign. latinos support trump, i love you. i love you! >> reporter: next thing betty rivas knew, she was on stage with the future president. >> i love her, i have fallen-- lonnie yeah, i have fallen in love with her. >> reporter: but years later, she remains fully enamored with the president-elect. betty

rivas told us she not a connection with trump on that stage where they looked into each other's eyes. betty and her husband, jorge own sammy's mexican grill, near tucson. they serve tacos and enchiladas and the popular mega burger. >> if someone were to come up to you and say you are a latino immigrant. how can you support donald trump? >> i will tell them that the man of this country. >> reporter: he says trump speaks about the things he cares about, faith, family and the economy. >> i know he's not perfect, i know he's not like info. we believe in teaching about god, our christian values. our family values of the democrat party is erasing all of the woke, left-leaning ideas that doesn't go with our values. >> i think there will be a lot of people who have a hard time hearing you say i like trump, he has family values. >> i don't go by his lifestyle, i don't go by what

he has done. >> reporter: you think it is the democrats pushing latinos to trump? or is it trump bringing in latinos? >> i think more democrats are pushing latinos to trump. >> reporter: tony and are the hosts of a radio show, called los chapos rocos, which loosely translates to young geezers. which airs in five states. they take dozens of calls a day on a radio station, founded by the iconic labor organizer, cesar chavez. they have sensed trump winning over latinos in the last few years. >> democrats do not impress people, said the caller. donald trump stole their hearts. another caller said i thought with my son, he told me trump is better than, like i said i cannot accept that. >> reporter: are you seeing that it is a generational divide? >> i see a lot of young people

voting for trump, because they are thinking about the economy. >> we need to do a better job of engaging our community. >> reporter: racquel is a former democratic legislator in eller arizona. she recently ran for congress in spent months knocking on doors, trying to turn out latino voters. >> what they are hearing from trump is there is going to be a better economy under his administration. >> reporter: the night after donald trump won reelection, jorge rivas talked about their path to becoming a citizen, in el salvador, granting asylum in the u.s. at age 17, that he immigrated from mexico. now, she thinks many migrants are aligned and trying to take advantage of the asylum process. they won the immigration price is fixed. >> they are letting hundreds of thousands of people who already have a criminal record keep deporting them create some mass deportation i will vote for it. >> what we rounded up and all of that are people who -- they are doing jobs that americans don't want to do, does that

for you? >> of course, they need to make sure that they don't throw away, they don't kick out, they don't deport people that are family oriented. >> all right, very interesting. joining us now to talk about how the latino vote shape this election, sabrina rodriguez, national political reporter for the washington post. sabrina, good morning. you covered all aspects of this campaign i want to be clear. from the washington post. but you also have spent a lot of time looking, specifically, at this group of voters. and the shift was really remarkable, it was fascinating to hear from those people that ed was speaking to about why they made these decisions. how do you understand it, based on what you saw on the campaign trail in the final days of the race? and what are you hearing now from, particularly democrats who are grappling with what happened? >> you know, casey, i love hearing that segment from ed and actually hearing from latino voters. i mean, anyone who has been talking to latino

voters this election cycle is not completely surprised by the outcome of this election, and by what the exit polls are showing us about latino voters. i feel like there is always an important caveat to adhere that, a majority of latino voters did vote for kamala harris, because based on the way a lot of people are talking about it, you would think that is not the case. but the shift that has happened is very much real, and it is very much one that we need to be analyzing and the democratic party, in specific, needs to be sitting at reckoning with. the reality is that, donald trump had a compelling message for some latinos. i think, for democrats was sort of this misconception, this idea that the way that he talks about migrants who have come in recent years and just that incendiary rhetoric uses against undocumented immigrants was going to resonate with latinos across the board and they were going to reject him. but really, trump played on some of the divisions within the latino community. he focused a lot on his campaign on saying that those migrants who have come in the last few

years, they are bad, they are the ones we need to send back. they are the ones taking your jobs. they are taking hispanic jobs. a lot of attention was placed on how he said they were taking black jobs. he also, on the campaign trail kept saying taking hispanic jobs. so he really try to keep, you know, to create this distinction where, you know, he wanted this word of hard-working americans, air quotes that love this country, and i think that looking forward, instead of blaming latino voters, which is what i see in some of the discourse around this this week, democrats really have to have a question , why it is that their message did not resonate with the community that they long thought would be loyal to them? >> look, i'm glad you pointed out that most latinos did vote for kamala harris, but one of the things that i think that struck me is that, with latino men the gap was particularly noteworthy. it really -- the numbers seem to show what a lot of operatives and sources have

been telling me for the last couple of election cycles, which is that, increasingly, latino voters, they have just behaved like the rest of the electorate. they don't want to be singled out, necessarily or treated in a different way, right? i mean, if you look at this, latino men but for 50 per trump 55%-43% that's not far off from the way white men vote for trump, for example, this idea that democrats can separate them out as this kind of homogenous group that needs to be spoken with, specifically, when in fact, there are people from all over different places in the world, like irish immigrants once came here, italian immigrants once came here, and americans. i am interested to know your thoughts, particularly a woman that ed found that who had come from mexico, she emigrated herself, she was the asylum process. now she has concerns about how immigrant are coming this time around , are using that process command clearly , there is something about even her message on immigration that broke through with these voters. in the same way he broke with voters of all races

across the country. >> 100%. i mean, the reality is that trump has spent the past, you know, four -- and arguably his entire time -- his entire political career, talking about immigration, railing against people that have crossed the border illegally, talking about how much they are displacing people and all of that. on the other side of that, we have not seen democrats really aggressively campaign on immigration, you know? the data point i keep pointing to is, you know, republicans, the trump campaign and republicans spent $243 million on immigration -related ads in this election, since kamala harris became the nominee. on the other side, democrats spent 15 million. 243 two 15 million. or so latinos, like everyone else were repeatedly hearing the same message, the same message about chaos at the border, people crossing, how unfair it was. you know, that

it was all of these criminals, they will be taking your jobs, that they were displacing people. and they weren't hearing a compelling mese her s that is also something here to keep in mind. i mean, latinos are watching the same channels as everyone else and hearing the same news as everyone else. and, you know, for immigrants, communities it is so much about economic nobility. it is so much about coming to this country and getting ahead. and the economic anxiety that people felt was very real. i mean, we see it. inflation disproportionately affected black and latino families. so, i think if you combined address the relentless messaging on immigration that we saw from republicans and you see the amount of economic anxiety that was felt in this country, it is just not surprising that latinos what turn an overwhelmingly working-class community, saw something in donald trump. >> it is really, really fascinating reporting. sabrina

rodriguez, thank you for bringing your perspective for us i really appreciate it. all right, the federal reserve cutting its benchmark lending wave for the second time this year. this time, by a quarter of a point. even with inflation seemingly under control, president elect trump is vowing to impose tariffs on all u.s. imports , a move that many economists believe might reignite inflation. trump has also talked about firing fed chair, jerome powell, who he appointed in 2018. powell was asked about that possibility. >> some of the president elect's advisors have suggested that you should resign. if he asked you to leave, would you go? >> no. >> can you follow up on his-- you think that legally , even if you are not required to leave? >> no. >> the senior advisor to trump tells cnn the president-elect will likely allow powell to serve out the remainder of his term, which expires in may

2026, although that advisor cautions, trump could change his mind. her next guest writes quote, powell also repeatedly emphasized that the fed's path will not react to expectations about trump 's policy plans. trump has often been a powerful critic during his first presidency and flirted with firing the chair, and he said he would not leave if asked to resign, nor does he think it is legal for a president to fire fed governors from their positions. gina, an economics responded for the "new york times" joins us now. jen, good morning it is good to see you. powell was very direct there. not always a tactic that tends to go over well with the former president. now the president-elect, trump. were you surprised by how direct he wasn't talking about that and how do you think the politics of this effect the economic decision-making process? >> i wasn't particularly surprised, because i think this is a thing the fed has obviously been giving a lot of thought to. i would imagine. given that trump made clear that he was thinking about

first firing and then demoting chair powell during his first administration. i imagine the fed has spent a lot of time on the legal possibilities around this command i think that chair powell was trying to be as emphatic as possible in communicating that he doesn't think he can be fired. while also leaving absolutely no room for misinterpretation. i think that is what that was yesterday. and so, you know, it is very clear that he doesn't think that he can be fired, but that doesn't mean that this election is it going to affect the fed. they are going to have to take into account the policy that trump is planning, what they think about how the economy is going to shape up, it may be several years ahead. and that could potentially affect the rate path, it is just too far to tell at what point and what magnitude at this point. >> so, gina, let's talk a little bit about the decision made yesterday. what does it take say to you about where the fed think the economy is? and how do you understand-- they are saying we don't know yet what these policies are going to be, so we can't make decisions, based on

hypothetical future policies that don't get exist, but that said, there's a lot of power in the presidency to do-- deal with tariffs, for example, and that could potentially be inflationary. our those things being balanced? >> yeah. so come i think yesterday needs to be looked at as a short-term decision. the fed made a single rate cut. i think that is an optimistic message all around, in the sense that it suggests that the fed thinks inflation is under control and that the economy is growing at a steady pace that doesn't require you to do some big emergency rate cut, just a normal-sized rate cut, basically good news. looking forward, as you say, the president can have quite a bit of influence in areas that matter to the fed. when you look at most wall street analysts, trump 's policy packages, particularly tariffs will what some people think quite a bit, so i think there is this question looming over the future that the chair is not expected to talk about it

yet, because he doesn't have enough certainty about what those policies are going to look like. with the magnitude are, when they are going to hit. at this point it is all campaigning and campaigning just can't drive fed policy. so i think we are going to have to wait to see a little more detail before we get information from the fed about how they are going to think about this as they go about their business. >> all right, jeanna smialek, this morning. jeanna, thank you. >> still ahead this morning, welcome come back, president elect trump seeing an outpouring from world leaders, including one that is a u.s. adversary. plus, trump promised mass deportations of undocumented immigrants. how exactly what his new administration go about doing that?

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russian president vladimir putin over the u.s. intelligence agency's assessment that he had meddled in the 2016 election. now, he reentered the white house has putin engaged in an offensive war with ukraine and it is unclear what trump's reelection will mean for the united dates-ukraine conflict. yesterday, putin congratulated the new president elect. >> i take this opportunity to congratulate him with his election so close to the president of the united of america. i have said already , we will be working together with any head of state that will be trusted by the american people. >> joining us now, senior international correspondent, fred. fred, good morning to you

always wonderful to see you. you are a very close watcher of vladimir of that? and how are you understanding it, taking in his message right now? >> well, first of all i think you are absolutely right that president putin doesn't do anything without any calculation going on and it is certainly no coincidence that he made that announcement yesterday when he granted congratulated president elect trump. while at the same time, the kremlin had said that there would not be congratulated for coming from president putin towards president elect trump. so it was quite interesting to see that yesterday. the kremlin was actually after they got about that today they said look, if vladimir putin said that at that event, it was a club event, a forum where he said that and that can be taken as an official forum of congratulation. but some other things that putin said as well were also pretty interesting. he said that he is open to anyone who wants to and relations with russia. he also says that he wouldn't be averse , if he becomes president, trump calls vladimir putin and calls for a meeting, but that putin would not initiate something like that

himself. so, it seems as though the russian president appears pretty sure that the u.s. is going to take the first step in trying to come and maybe not normalize relations, but at least improve them somewhat. one of the other things that putin also says, that obviously he had heard the remarks that donald trump made on the campaign trail about ukraine, about the war in ukraine, about ending the war in ukraine, which causes a lot of concern about the ukrainians who fear that the u.s. could completely cut off military aid to ukraine. that alone makes the president elect an interesting year for the russians and for the russian president, vladimir putin. so, they certainly are sensing that there could be improvement in the relations that they would keep back on track completely. but they do see an in road, i believe him to the incoming administration, kc. >> fred, let's watch a little bit more about what putin had to say this thursday at the summit. he was talking about , kind of in his view, the reordering of the global system , one where he harkens back to the systems that were put in place in the wake of world war ii, let's watch.

>> these two last decades were not just filled with the most important, sometimes dramatic events of truly historic scale. before our eyes, the new world order is being formed. like what we know from the past, for example, there was failure in all systems. new powers are rising. people are becoming more and more aware of their interests. their self-worth, or originality and identity. and are increasingly insisting on achieving their goals of development and justice. >> fred, just stood out to me that he mentioned australia and delta as we stand on this precipice. one of the biggest differences between when trump was in office before and now an uneasy, but existent reliance between the chinese and russians has come more to the forefront here and there is, of course, this sense in western europe that, perhaps the american-led packs of americana that rain did the wake of world

war ii is kind disintegrating in the face of the donald trump reelection. how do you look at all of this? >> well, i think that is exactly what vladimir putin has on his mind, i think that is exactly what it is with this new world order. and what has happened in the past couple of years as the war in ukraine, russia's invasion of ukraine, and one of the things that vladimir putin keeps talking about is, he keeps saying that is something that shows that russia is a sovereign nation, and not a nation that is willing to be subservient, as he puts it, to that pax americana, u.s. dominated world, as the russians say they see it. but i think vladimir putin is really trying to create, or at least try to make it appear as though he is creating an alternative world, an alternative world order. and i think that relations it with china are one part of that, but one thing the russian relation are trying to build up are the bricks community. the nations that are sort of on the cusp of the strong effort economic communities coming up china, india, other nations trying to get in there as well. but what

putin appears to be trying to do though, he appears to be trying to make himself a sort of leader or the figure of that alternative new movement to that sort of western dominated world as he sees it, kc. >> really interesting. fred pleitgen for us, fred, thank you so much. >> all right, officials at the department of homeland security are raising for a seismic shift in immigration policy now that donald trump is returning to the white house. the president-elect appears determined to make a good on a campaign promise to deport millions of illegal immigrants. he says the price is no object. >> on day one i will launch the largest deportation program in american history. i will rescue every city and town that has been invaded and conquered. and we will put these vicious and bloodthirsty criminals in jail. we will take them the hell out

of our country as fast as possible. >> according to the american immigration counsel, the cost of deporting 13 million undocumented immigrants over the next 10+ years would be $968 billion. let's bring in johnson wick, the former acting director of u.s. immigration and customs enforcement. john, good morning to you. can you talk a little bit about what this would take to actually execute? i mean this would be , potentially as many as 1 million immigrants per year. we try to give you an idea of what the resources would be for that, but for the agency that she once led what you think it looks like? >> well look, the president-- the president-elect, excuse me, has been very light on details of what mass deportations would look like and there's a reason. it is going to be readily difficult to get so, as you talked about, it is going to take a tremendous amount of money. just a baseline of this a little bit, ice has about a $9 billion budget , not all of that is dedicated to immigration enforcement, but if you look at 2019, and probably

the largest europe deportations of the trump administration they deported about 267,000 individuals. so, it is going to take a tremendous ramping up of the agency. now, the president-elect, he looks like he will put the senate in the house, so it is possible they will get their money, but even if the check is written tomorrow, casey, it is still a mantis effort just to deploy those funds. you will need to rapidly increase the number of agents. you need to find people who are suitable for the job. you have to get them through background checks, through the training academy. none of that is as easy as it sounds, and it takes, you know, it takes years just to do that. increase in detention beds. right now we have about 41,000 detention beds to do the kind of numbers that the president-elect is talking about could you will need 200,000. those facilities don't exist today. so, not only is he going to take this tremendous amount of funds, but logistically it will be a tremendous challenge. >> will you speak to whether this is going to be legal, and what are the laws saying about

what the president is able to do, and he president is allowed to do in this circumstance? and how do you understand how trump himself and his incoming administration, i mean obviously he has his allies like stephen miller, who is very focused on this, very aware of the ins and outs of the law. what is that going to look like? >> a look. the fundamental-- even setting aside his resource issues, these detention heads, removal flights, all of those conditions. the biggest problem of the biggest impediment of carrying this out as the immigration courts. the supreme court has long said that before individuals are deported, they are , that means a hearing before an immigration judge where they can support defenses to them deportation. sometimes those defenses are, i am a u.s. citizen. other times there are certain immigration law that allow some migrants to say in this country. of course, silent being one of the biggest ones. the problem is, those courts are tremendously packed. congress has never really funded the courts to keep up with the volume. so now , stephen miller and others are looking at the situation. they know that is the problem.

really quickly, during the last ministration, there was no lack of political to deport as many people as possible, this is not an entirely new concept. the trump administration putt numbers were below those of the obama administration went into deportations. the reason why was immigration support. so the president-elect will need to push the envelope, in terms of, he is going to try through executive orders of regulations and things like that to strip migrants of these rights to due process. we saw before at the border, and now we are confident we will see it in the interior of the u.s. there will, of course be lawsuits. it is a different court today. but ultimately, testing the limits on how far he can go. but really, look, there is just zero chance he can get anywhere close to where he wants to go, unless he pushes the envelope on due process to its absolute bare minimum. >> one, of course, one of the considerations, of course, is children, who are parts of families, we know that there are so many american

households, i think one research -- set of research put it at one in 25 american households has someone who is undocumented , and one of trump's supporters was asked about what, in this case , they might do about children, for example, who have two undocumented parents, but they themselves are u.s. citizens of the suggestion was made that they all be deported together. i mean is that legal under any of these potential structures? and how worried should americans in that situation be? >> look. you know, there's been a lot of talk it yet ministration , the incoming administers like to talk about this is focusing on criminals. the reality is, i.c.e. is incredibly good at getting criminals today. i.c.e. gets the fingers of every criminal in prison. in fact the majority of the deportations we see right now are people coming through the criminal justice system. so when you start talking about deporting 1 million people plus, that goes well beyond those criminals. so, let's look at the demographics of the population. roughly 11-12 million people in

this country, more than -- well more than half have been here since at least 2015, if not earlier. so, looking at a population that has been here for at least 10 years. there are varying estimates about it, 4.6 to 6.6 million or in mixed status families, so you have an a document his mother or an on document father with their u.s. citizen children, an on document its bus with their u.s. citizen husband or wife. that is the population we are talking about could you can't get to 1 million unless you start tapping into that population. yes, you are going to face these incredibly difficult choices, of course you cannot deport a u.s. citizen. you just cannot do that. but what you can do is create a really difficult choice for that family where you say, you will deport mom or dad or both mom and dad and those children are forced to make a decision whether they will stay in the u.s. with a relative, or the entire family unit to move back to the original home country. these are-- listen, i know there has been a lot of support for this concept of mass deportation and

i get that there is a lot of frustration with this idea that there's-- and they really are, there are some serious criminals operating in this country unlawfully that we do need to deport, but really, what mass deportation means, just by definition, because of the demographics in this country it means these really hard choices, where you start ripping these families apart. and i am not sure there is an appetite for that. you know, to the same extent that the polls kind of suggest that there might have been.lkg about family separation, which is not something that was-- that the american people reacted well to what was happening at the border. it was a quite remarkable possibility. john sandweg, john, thank you so much for being here. all right, strata here on cnn this one, kickstarting his transition. president-elect trump tapping his campaign manager to a top job in the white house. plus, president biden except his party's defeat and gets ready to hand the presidency back to the man he beat four years ago. >> we lost this battle. the

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