no ev mandate. given his friendship with you on musk it's not clear where he's going to come down on ev's, not just because of its rigid with elon musk because where they make electric vehicles and a record number were sold last year, where is it? it's michigan, it's georgia, is wisconsin, we are talking about 30,000 ev making jobs in michigan, 40,000 in georgia, is going to have a very hard time keeping that promise. >> all right. we will see if it's just for you on musk. i had. >> i will change the tone entirely. all i have to say is the beatles should not be in the running for the album of the year. with tuesday and taylor swift, we had the moment. make a separate category for a.i. music. that's all i have to say. >> yes, i cosign that. we should just not put them in the same category. everybody, thank you very much for joining us. thank you for watching newsnight. laura coates live, she starts right now.

tonight, what does nearly $200 million by you? apparently a front row seat to running america. plus, the pelosi and biden feud hits a messy row. but is she revising history or not? and the fallout from the election where one says americans got it right and another says they got it wrong. that is tonight on laura coates live. so, donald trump is not even in the white house yet and we are getting a pretty big clue about who he he is trusting to run it and it turns out it is elon musk. he joined a call with the president of ukraine the day after the election. it did raise eyebrows that the worlds richest man,

with billions in federal contracts and a global satellite network got to be on a phone call with a foreign leader at war with an american adversary and it may not be a one-off. there are several calls that he has held and he has even held conversations about staffing decisions and those staffing decisions are coming. cabinet picks are being discussed and job could be announced as soon as this week. while trump allies are battling it out at mar-a-lago the finger-pointing in the democratic party is getting worse. really ugly. nancy pelosi is throwing resident biden under the proverbial bus. >> had he gotten out sooner there may have been other candidates in the race. the anticipation was that if he were to step aside that there would be an open position and i think kamala harris would have

done well and been strong going forward but we don't know that because that did not happen. we live with what happened and because the president endorsed kamala harris immediately that really made it almost impossible to have a primary at that time . if it was earlier it would have been different. >> interesting considering what she said in september. >> we had an open primary and she won it. people could have jumped in but there were people preparing and she just took off with it and actually it was a blessing. there wasn't that much time between then and the elections so it was not that we did not have a voting process. it's just that nobody else got in. >> but now she is saying it is biden's fall for endorsing harris right away but i wonder

if he hadn't. as for him getting out sooner that is curious in terms of something that was stated in february. there were major concerns about the mental fitness of joe biden. >> joe biden has vision, he has knowledge, he is a strategic thinker. this is a very sharp president and in terms of his public presentation, if he makes a slip of the tongue here and there, what is the deal? >> other high profile democrats are dog piling on biden as well. it includes the save america guys. >> joe biden's decision to run for president again was a catastrophic mistake. he and his inner circle refused to believe the polls and that he was unpopular them when we find out when the biden campaign became the harris campaign,

that the biden polling shows that donald trump was going to win 400 electoral votes. >> the one person that is not buying all of the biden bashing is democratic senator fetterman from pennsylvania he says, for those that decided and moved to break the biden and you got what you wanted it is appropriate to on the outcome and follow up. it is a reasonable calculation to mess around and find out. i have amisha cross, democratic strategist and brad todd, the cofounder of the political strategy firm on message. what is a new take on f around and find out. >> it was a hard loss. there

are different messages going into this. what we saw just days prior in the election cycle it is different but i think that fetterman is right. the pylon joe biden is unnecessary. for someone that has had seismic wins like infrastructure, reducing the price of prescription drugs. bringing the economy back and staving off recession and it is very disturbing that you would see so much of a pylon and i am not exactly confident that even if there had been a prolonged primary and it had not happened, let's say it was a different candidate, that donald jade trump may still have won and i say that because in every country where you have had an incumbent presidency, the incumbent party lost in the

post pandemic era and that happened globally. it is not just something that we see in the united states so i think the pandemic fatigue, how people saw the economy is a very different thing and that is something that needs to be studied and in addition to that, i think a lot of information that the harris campaign was getting and that was being used to develop policy strategies, it just fell apart and i don't think that would have changed with a different candidate. >> obviously the pylon can sound like skate voting. do you the democrats just have the wrong strategy? or did they seize an opportunity to do better? >> i remember dean phillips who was in the democratic house leadership. and he said all of these things about joe biden like he was too old and he could not win. nancy pelosi ran him out of the democratic

leadership in 2020 and he had to quit because he ran against joe biden and now all of these democrats piling on joe biden rallied around him they could have had an open primary and air their differences early. they could have put them to the test with debates against other democrats but they did not do that. so they need to look in the mirror about why they did not test him earlier. >> this nancy pelosi on some of this? >> it is interesting to hear since you see all of the different gradations of nancy pelosi. she is throwing joe biden in front of the bus and when we were on the trail in february talking to voters that they are bringing up -- they are telling us that was a concern, his age. over and over again and you had democrats going on television and saying

he is fine. but we are hearing from the electorate that they had questions and they were not being answered so that was step one in a lot of cups that landed us where we are today. i think this loss has a lot of different mothers and fathers. >> and the economy and how the failure to really understand what americans were going through i think is the focal point. >> joe biden does deserve buy-in. he said the gas prices had to rise to meet the needs for the green new deal. >> but our inflationary costs -- >> we heard that the gas prices needed to rise and democrats willingly pushed the gasoline prices up. when voters saw, you think inflation is transitory, that told everyone that

inflation was not a priority for this administration. >> thinking about this, you have probably pointed out the economy and biden blaming but there is also a gender gap. -- says harris did not appeal to enough men and at times men were described as dopes, global, or brutes . harris did not say those words but the sentiment, about the economy was all part of this conversation. is there a way for it democrats to envelop the men who felt disenfranchised or dismissed or insulted? is the time for democrats to course correct and bring them back into the fold? >> i think that there is time but i want to rewind because when they say working-class they typically mean white males. working-class exists across the spectrum regardless

of gender and race. white men in particular, white working-class men have categorically been republican for the better part of the last 35 or 40 years. that is not significant to the harris or the biden campaign. but we did see major shifts in the latino turnout in voting. it those are things we need to look at and rural voters came out at rates that we have not seen in decades. those are things that are headwinds that harris things previous administrations have not had to face. i do think those are things we need to look at. >> with the rural point, what impact did the rural vote had and how were they enticed? >> the trump turnout model, the

way they were trying to get voters out this time, there were a couple of things going on. trump was not telling people to stay home and not vote where in 2020 he said don't mailing your ballot and it is rigged. and also, harris really did have an uphill battle. she had biden's campaign and that is something that needs to be acknowledged, how quickly they had to ramp up and change the way they were doing a lot of getting out there and getting people out. >> i think she got the best campaign she could have had. she had six weeks for she was basically dark with no interviews. she had a convention that was well choreographed. she had the debate and prepared well. she did five real interviews and screwed up four of them. i don't think a longer campaign would have helped. i just

don't think that she should be commended for how well she did in a short time. i think that was the only way she had a shot. >> it is acknowledging, if you are running for president, they don't think that this is just fine. >> she was not going to run it different than joe biden and she didn't need to change anything. >> there are some things you are going to have to do and that donald trump has effectively been running since then but kamala harris was trying to rebuild the coalition and rebuilding the coalition when there are individuals that feel that the economy is not working and people that are frustrated with the way the american outlook is. and individuals who are latching on to these ideals of populism. we

have seen this across the globe. at donald trump and his campaign effectively chose people to blame. people to blame whether it was migrants or anybody that or who did not look like or represent the working class. they did not do as good of a job as the could have because they are the party of working-class politics. delivering on working-class goals. >> working-class and elon musk don't go in the same sentence. yet elon musk was on the phone with resident elect trump and it apparently was not a one-off. he has been involved with other calls and staffing conversations as well does this seem problematic to you to have somebody like elon musk having that particular role or even the perception that he does? >> it is very normal to have outside business leaders. elon

is a different case. he was a very simple part of the campaign and a lot of voters were interested in trump, especially young men, because trump was there. they saw him as a disruptor and is somebody that changed or even saved the aerospace industry. i think you cannot deny that he is a disrupt her and he was part of the package that people bought with trump. >> but a package is one thing. somebody that is influential but for him to be on the call with the ukrainian president? >> i don't agree with everything that will come out of this administration but i think it is pretty savvy to use elon musk because he was there for volodymyr zelenskyy and star link at the very beginning. trump may not start out in that position with d2 --

zelenskyy but it probably helped. >> should elon musk be in that role? >> absolutely not. he is operating as a foreign conduit. this is a guy that is wheeling and dealing contract and this is also a god it uses x as an appendage of the trump campaign. the social media site formally known as twitter has been a mouthpiece of the campaign and he has done his level best to silence trump and he has pushed out message messages of authority needed -- authoritarianism and he has use that to bring voices to the pool that would vote for trump. this is a guy that is not -- he would not make it past a congressional hearing. he has a very prized unofficial role

that he is utilizing to wheel and deal as an appendage of the trump administration. we are seeing that and we saw that before trump got elected and we are seeing it now. >> we will see. thank you so much, everyone. still ahead, one cabinet member from trump's first term will be joining us next.

president-elect of donald trump has made a slew of promises to voters and here are just a few. >> two things on day one. close our borders. >> i will immediately bring prices down. >> i will launch the largest -- cabinet. ryan zinke served as interior secretary. thank you for joining us. you served in the first cabinet. what will the president-elect strategy be in picking a cabinet this time

around. >> will -- well, it is two things. one is energy. we became energy dominant and we fixed our parks and forests so that was my mission. they cabinet itself executes his policy . we are looking at a lot of repeats like pompeo and i have heard the secretary of defense and he is going to pick people that he is comfortable with. he does demand a lot of loyalty and as a boss he was pretty attentive. he would call me at 2:00 in the morning if he had a question. >> disloyalty translate to being a yes man? every person in these different positions

would need to have a sense of agency and autonomy to effectively execute the plan. is that equivalent to yes man? >> i was not. i got the president to sign executive orders so it was clear not only to me what my guidance was but others. in the case of energy, i needed other departments to do their duty. so, i think president trump he has some people will. he is a big guy physically. he is a former president and he has a pretty big ego and it was my job to stand up and say mr. president, this is my best advice to you. >> let me ask you a question about the area of mass deportation. you had a conversation with a local

sheriff recently as reported in the bozeman daily chronicle and you said that montana has a long history of --. how are authorities going to determine who to round up in a mass deportation? >> that is the same question i asked the sheriff. you are looking at 10 million people. how will you round up everyone? if you are given the authority to round up, do you know who to round up and if i.c.e. is the place to put them, can you do that? the sheriff is convinced that they can and it is the local sheriffs out there that know who they are and are doing the bad things. we have drug trafficking and a lot of that is coming from the southern border i think the sheriff saw

the right people and they have to work with local authorities. so let's go after the bad people will. people that are hurting our kids and running fentanyl from prisons that have been here. i don't really care too much about a dishwasher but i do care about people that are doing harm. >> i have concerns as somebody that was a prosecutor and knowing how officers have to comply with the fourth amendment and being able to not racially profile on a hunch. but, i wonder, if they do round up, where would they put everybody in the meantime? that seems to be a striking concern. >> for montana, you have to

deliver them somewhere. you have to process someplace and i assume that will be near the southern border but logistics is a big issue. i think the president is spot on with deportation and bad characters first. when you have 10 million, we know who is dealing drugs and we know who is dealing in drug trafficking. i believe they will take care of that in the best interests of the country and in montana. >> let's say you are able to identify, detain, and remove the people that committed heinous crimes and crimes that are vile and no one would agree with. than what is next? is that the end of the story?

would they be left alone? or would they be next? >> i think you have to go after the real bad characters first. i think there is a general acceptance and people that have waited in line. we should be incentivized to do the right thing. immigration is a big part of this country and unless you are a native american, you immigrated from somewhere and i think the big picture, let's go after the big -- the bad characters first and secure the border then let's figure out, we need immigration but let's make sure it is done legally. let's make sure that we vet people. let's make sure that we give people a chance to make it in this country and that is

important. >> the governor of massachusetts mark ely vowed to fight mass deportations and said that state police would not be used. how will that work with this endeavor? >> part of their constitutional duty is to protect citizens and we know that most of immigration , most people want to come to this country to work. but also we know that there is hundreds of terrorists that come in on the watch list. there were people that will do harm. let's work together to fix this policy so that we have a border and we incentivize doing the right thing. let's incentivize doing the legal and right thing. >> congressman ryan zinke, thank you for joining.

>> you are welcome. who will be donald trump's attorneys general? it could be this man. andrew bailey who went after the biden administration. missouri congressman wesley bell joins me next. is at the end of celebrity endorsements? we hear about that and much more.

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has sued the biden administration over student loan forgiveness programs and he asked the supreme court to delay trump sentencing and lift a gag order in the new york hush money case. i want to bring in someone that is familiar witcongressman elect b . i have to ask, given your familiarity, is andrew bailey qualified to be the top law enforcement officer in the country? >> we are getting into hypotheticals and i think what is more important is the idea that elections matter and elections have consequences and as a result the incoming president gets to make that decision and my guess is, no matter who he chooses , it will probably not be my top choice but, whoever he appoints will be someone that will further his agenda and we have to fight back against excesses and curtailing of rights and i think that is something we will have to do and we will likely

be in the minority but elections have consequences. >> you have been the prosecuting attorney and now you are the congressman elect in missouri. you had a heated primary. what did you learn from your win that you think would have been instructive or would be instructive for the kind of soul-searching the democrats are doing right now? >> i think that it is important to be introspective and not play the blame game but play the accountability game. it is important to double down on the pocketbook and the kitchen table issues that matter to working-class folks. i don't think it is a matter of having the right message. when you look at the issues but democrats support like reproductive rights and a living wage and expanding medicaid, when those issues are

on the ballot independently they won and it is also about making sure that the messages heard and i think that is something that our party is going to have to do better with and look to connect with local community issues that really matter to folks on the ground. there is going to be a lot of introspection and soul-searching, as you said but, i think, we will be better as a result of this. i will say this too. republicans need to work with democrats as well. when you look at the races across the country there are razor slim margins everywhere so if republicans walk away thinking that they solved the mysteries of the universe and that they don't have to work with or reach across the aisle , i think it is important that

we find ways to work together and deliver results for constituents because that is what americans want. >> you know, success seems to come around and go around and can be taken as much as it can be received. it looks like there is a mandate, that is what i am hearing, the president-elect says he has a mandate to carry out his agenda, the popular vote, the elect oral vote, what can democrats do in the minority to advance their agenda? is it simply defense or is there some opportunity for offense? >> i think first and foremost, the last time that president trump lost the popular vote he said that he had a mandate that when we look at how close these

elections are, let me be clear that the american people want democrats and republicans to work together and deliver results. i have a track record of reaching across the aisle and getting things done for our district. we are not giving up on the house yet but there is still that hope there. regardless of what happens there will be razor slim margins and it is important that we make that connection. with regular working-class folks on the pocketbook items that actually matter to folks. it is healthcare, jobs, access , public safety, these are all things that democrats and republicans, for that matter, care about and this is a tough -- on the democratic side but

we are going to learn from it. we will bounce back and continue to do the work of the american people. >> that is the mandate. wesley, thank you, so much. from oprah to taylor swift to jennifer lopez, democrats rolled up the big names for endorsements. but still fell flat. did it hurt more than it helped?

as the dust settles from the election it is clear that some of the things people were obsessed over did not matter. crowd size did not matter and neither did the celebrity star power featured during the campaign. >> we must vote and it is time to sing a new song. >> on november 5 i am casting my vote for kamala harris and tim walz. >> there is no candidate in the

history of residence that is more qualified and there is no job that kamala harris can't do. >> vice president harris supports a future for the country. >> i cast my vote for someone who will be a president for all. for all americans. >> i am proud to support our next president of the united states, kamala harris. >> i vote for come allah. -- kamala harris. >> millions did vote for her but we have not even included the endorsement from taylor swift. remember that? hollywood endorsements were once an essential part of the campaign playbook that they may have backfired in this election. i

want to bring in stephen a smith, the host of first take on espn. good to see you this evening. we are hearing a lot about post election and the traditional hollywood endorsement were not as effective as they hoped they would be but did they actually hurt the campaign? >> i'm not going to say they hurt the campaign but it did not dissuade voters from voting on the side of the celebrities endorsed. they apparently had an abundance of americans that paid attention to their own pocketbook and own wallets and look to situations they individually had and that is how they decided to vote. there were celebrities that are very popular and well-known and one of the things that we need to take from this is that none of

those celebrities are broke. all have made an abundant amount of money but because that is their situation, regardless of who they tell you to support , if you believe, economically, that you have a problem, you are not going to look to them in terms of who to fix it and what campaign should be picked or not. you will pick the direction that you believe. donald trump not only won the electoral college but he won the popular vote. he did not win it against joe biden or hillary clinton but he did against kamala harris. people made a decision that was in the best interest of their lives right now and celebrities were not going to persuade them to do otherwise. >> so you will be all right either way with the money that you have that for me and my

pocketbook, it might be a different story. do you think the reason he was able to best on the popular vote, some have pointed to race or gender or a whole host of factors. what you think it came down to green? >> it always comes down to green. you can look at it from the state of the economy. that is one point you could make if you are on their side even though the economy improved vastly. as i have told many, many people and i think you can relate to what i am about to say, when it comes to minorities in this country, you can't come to us with percentages and the fact that inflation, that was once as high as 9% that it had dipped precipitously. we will look at the >> we are going to look at the price gas and the price of groceries. mortgage, et cetera,

and how much money we have in our pocket and that is our definition of the economy. the other way to look at it from an joe biden got into office he put an executive order out that opened the borders and over 12 million of immigrants came into the country illegally . so this is drastically impacting the ma look at it from an economic perspective is that the first day that joe biden got into office, he put a negative order out that open the border and 12 million immigrants came into this country illegally. you have i told this to people on many occasions. most men think about two things. they prioritize two things., providing and protecting so that is money in your pocket and that is keeping you and your loved ones safe. anytime imagery goes against that you will look for somebody to blame

and it is usually the incumbent administration and i think that is what joe biden and kamala harris were dealing with. >> what money in your pocket and then keeping yourself and your loved one safe. anytime imagery goes against that you look for somebody to blame. and it is usually the incumbent administer asian. and that is t about men feeling left behind, then you have this moment. the idea of the role of men in society, and you have a whole lot of people, from joe rogan and others, nontraditional celebrities, that is certainly become the very influential people they had become talking rhonda says , "i have two

little girls and i don't want them to be run over by a former male athlete but i am supposed to be afraid to say that." democrats a top eight of his has made comments about that. did the backlash that he is experiencing now prove his point? >> i think the backlash to be a male or formerly male athlete. but as a democrat, i'm supposed to be afraid to say that. now, lgbtq groups took an issue with this saying male or formerly male, a top aid of his is resigning as well. take us through the essence of these, inspected the backlash he is experiencing now prove his point? that we can look at the extreme left and in the end those are the vast majority of americans. whether you are right or left you are usually leaning to the center and as a result that debunked the argument against t left right but we also have to

look at this from a practical standpoint. we can talk until the cows come home about things being a threat to democracy when talking about donald trump . you have to listen to the argument that sort of debunked the argument against the maga right. but we also have to sit up here and think about things from a very practical standpoint, we can talk all you always say that when it is a republican candidate. you said it about bob dole when he went up against -- you said it about w donald trump so that is the argument you are always going to make. that is number one and number two, you have to take into account joe biden came in and said he was going to be a a clinton, president and he was just a stopgap to pave the

way for a new generation of liberals coming down the pike. they won the midterm election . the he said why do i need to leave? look what happened during my watch as the incumbent and when he stayed all broke loose . he was saying he no intentions of that being the case so that people were positioning themselves to succeed him. he shows up on june 27 and embarrasses himself. the democratic party and everybody in between said he has to go and 3 1/2 weeks later he steps down and they hand it to kamala harris. she is the presumptive nominee but,

there was no primary that she didn't do it and trump was able to say, look how they bypassed the process. whether you agree with it or not there was not a constitutional violation or anything like that but it did seem shady not just to the right but also to independence. they took all of those things into consideration and they said you have your argument and they have their argument and here is my argument. the pocketbook of americans is what is concerning me right now. said no, he has to go. 3 1/2 weeks later he stepped down, they hand it to kamala harris, she is the present of nominee as the reigning vice president but there was no primary that he endured and there was no primary that she enwasn't a constitutional violation or anything like that, but it did seem a bit shady. not just to the right, but also in the middle, to independence political listings into consideration, and they said, you got your i have got to ask i am curious, there are a lot of people who, they are looking

at this in a nonemotional way. they are [ inaudible ] what do you say to people about what happened the next day to move beyond and move towards? is eve >> it is not only possible but it is necessary. this country has gone through a lot and we have overcome things to matter what trials and tribulations we have endured. as joe maddison once said, he said, let's put it where the votes can get it. if you are black, are you acting like you this bad before? let's stop the nonsense. there are plenty of times in history, every single election, where gloom and doom rain because candidate that you didn't want ended up winning the nomination black or the

presidency then became the president of the united states. there are mayoral races and gubernatorial races. you don't have to get what you want and that measures the greatness of the country. what measures the greatness is regardless of the trials and tribulations, no matter how things look or how depressing they appear, there is only so much the president can do. the there are 435 congressional figures. we are not counting the governor's, the mayors, and everything in between. there are a lot may appear to be, that can get in the way to stop some of the things that you may not want to happen. this is america and you don't get everything you want. you can be upset about it. i didn't vote for donald trump that i will be if

donald trump is going to stop me from moving forward with my life and to make sure that i make the most of the opportunities that america has presented to me. i think most of us can say the same so let's stop acting like it we ha to move forward no matter what party affiliation you have. >> that is -- thank you, so much, stephen a. smith. present me. thank you for watching. anderson cooper 360 is up next. >> shout out to joe mattison, i will always render him, and you, thank you so much. >> thank you. thank you for watching. anderson cooper 360 is next.

tonight on 360, donald trump talks with ukraine's president and elon musk is on the call. what was said and what was not about trump's pr