it is monday, november 11. policy or payback? with just over two months before inauguration day trump is talking unity. the working class of this country is angry and they have a reason to be. >> democrats ask what went wrong and what comes next after the crushing defeat. anybody involved should be fired immediately. >> a f.e.m.a. employee fired after telling hurricane relief workers to skip homes with trump signs. do you believe the 2024 election was free and they are? >> i do. >> disappearing concerns and fraud claims taking a back seat in the wake of trump's victory.

6:00 a.m. on the nose here on the east coast. a live look at the washington monument on this veterans day as we honor the service and sacrifice made by our nation's military veterans. take a minute and say thank you today. good morning, everyone. i am kasie hunt. donald trump one sent an eye for an eye is his favorite bible verse and now as he has been swept back into power the question is whether he will make good on this campaign promise. >> for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. revenge does take time. sometimes it has to be justified. i sent my retribution is going to be success. we are going to make this country successful again.

my retribution is going to be success. >> he has had success. those repeated promises do seem to contrast with the tone the president-elect struck on election night. >> it is time to put the divisions of the past four years behind us. it is time to unite. >> fair enough. but it didn't take long after those comments, just 55 hours the new york times peter baker points out before trump is calling for an investigation into someone or something that made him angry. in this case people he says who are spreading rumors that he may sell true social. trump writing i hereby request the people who have set off these fake rumors or statements or who may have done so in the past be immediately investigated by the appropriate authorities. baker goes on to write his momentary nod to

unity on election night led to some predictions he may ease off the menacing threats. that may underestimate the depth of his resentment and desire for retaliation after multiple impeachments, indictments and losses aimed at him. allies expect them to pursue at least some of the targets he has singled out. even if he holds back on some his nature means no one can assume he would not change his mind. creating an atmosphere of intimidation that may inhibit dissent. trump defenders have been insisting revenge is not the plan. >> i'm going to tell you what donald trump has said, success will be our vengeance. that is a direct line and a beautiful sentiment. i do think success is unifying. nothing will ignite this country more than economic growth. >> my colleague asked jim jordan if he supports trump using the justice department to go out the people he disagrees

with? >> he didn't do it his first term. what i suggested stopping this political targeting and political cases. >> some upcoming decisions could shed light, most notably who he decides to choose as his attorney general. broadly speaking the reporter who has literally written the book on donald trump and covered him for decades says this. >> is he serious about retribution? he's been talking about it pretty consistently over the last two years, but certainly most of his life. i expect that will be a thing. >> joining us now to discuss megan hays, and megan gorman. welcome to all of you on this i guess first monday of the trump

transition. is that where we are? give us the big picture here. this question of what is donald trump going to do and how is he going to use at the levers of power that he is about to take over to execute on the policies he has made ? >> the symbolic dangers of going after the likes of liz cheney and joe biden and whoever he considers his political enemies, but there is the bigger picture, there are cabinet departments and agencies that have cultures that have been built over 100 years that are going to be decimated because there is a plan to change not just the way they implement one policy or another, but to change the face of the federal government forever so that it serves their long-term ideological objections. it is not just about one guy and his grievances. there is a whole class of people whether the

fossil fuel industry or people who want to destroy the rule of law in this country who are descending on this administration and have implanted their tendrils deeply inside this transition. >> megan gorman, one of the things that i thought was interesting over the weekend was republican supporters of donald trump, and vivek ramaswamy seem to want to walk away from the retribution idea and soft-pedal. we played what trump said, my retribution will be success. he had success. he delivered on that. what is your sense of the tolerance among other republicans? >> i think it is much more policy focus. he believes he cannot have a mandate sweeping the electoral swing states. you will see a great tolerance. i

don't think suddenly liz cheney is going to be in danger. i think that is a lot of ridiculousness that has not been specified. what you will see is emigration and economic policies that he has talked about for years being pushed aggressively. i think he and his supporters believe he has a fundamental mandate to do that. i think a lot of the personal stuff is probably overblown. i think policy wise that is absolutely the case. >> that is a lot of hope. the line from one of the trump's arrogance is he didn't do it in the first term, it wasn't for lack of trying. you can go through his old twitter. i think a lot of republicans are hoping he won't, but they actually don't know. >> have you talked to democrats who are afraid ? >> yeah. even democrats that don't expect anything will come of it, especially on the mid-level, a.i.d.s. or even campaign aides are afraid of

lawyer fees. putting them on the verge of bankruptcy. >> i think when you get hauled up to congress you are no longer in the government so the government is not paying and it is very expensive. i think they are going to use this is ponce. it's really people's lives. you have very young 30 something-year-old where it will take a financial toll. to your point, it is all a wait-and-see. we met in a department of homeland security where they have big plans to do some version of mass deportations there have been lists published that show mid-level people who have collaborated with the bad guys in their view. simply career people who have done their jobs or maybe received an award for having done their jobs. they are targeted for retribution.

>> what does it look like at that level, alex? you do have a lot of these people who have focused and not on what is inside the government. frank is arguing this retribution is going to extend past political enemies and into these policy areas in a way we haven't seen before. >> there are two areas. one is justice department investigations. the other aspiring people in masks. i think that is almost certain. that is what he ran on. trump has basically said and made very clear they view federal bureaucracy as an unauthorized fourth branch of government. you are going to see the biggest change of the executive branch that we have seen in our lifetime. >> i can make the case that in a lot of respects people vote

for some sort of change. that is not him going after people who voted against him. that is in many ways a cleanup of bureaucracy. it's more policy based. >> i'm not sure people vote for that. i am not saying people understand how the federal government works. i don't think people understand how some of these agencies work. to your point of people who have been part of border security and all of a sudden they are going to be fired because it is something the biden administration wanted, they are there to execute and not enact policy. >> you have people writing anonymous op-ed saying they were subtly dragging their feet for what trump wanted to do. trump feels that. the critics will say he's going to politicize and trump is like i'm going to make federal bureaucracy obey my orders.

>> and needs to be efficient and actually work. the border has not been working. if they cannot get the job done they need to go. >> looks like we are going to have a lot to talk about for the next few years. florida governor ron desantis calling for an investigation after female fires an employee who told workers to avoid homes with trump signs. plus, democrats weigh in on how their party needs to change. and the great danna bass joins us with more from her conversation with jim jordan about what comes next in the second trump white house. >> we will see. what i know is if you send that message, i think that is so good for securing our border. just the opposite of what the biden administration did.

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welcome back. a f.e.m.a. employee hired after advising members of their hurricane response team in florida to skip homes with signs supporting former president donald trump. the f.e.m.a. administrator says this was rep sensible. i want to be clear to my employees and the american people this type of behavior and action will not be tolerated and we will hold people accountable if they violate the standards of conduct. on top of the firing f.e.m.a. is sending a new team to the region to contact people who may not have been reached.

ron desantis announced over the weekend his administration is investigating the incident and byron donalds is calling for a change to f.e.m.a. in trump's second term. >> anyone involved should be fired immediately. we are not going to have a country where we are going to decide who gets help and who doesn't based upon who you support, what you look like or anything else. when it comes to f.e.m.a. my recommendation is that czar -- f.e.m.a. becomes a agency that directly report to the white house. >> this is the kind of thing that prompts backlash. four 100% they should be fired and if they are not fire yet trump will definitely fire them. this is not something that the president would stand for. also

what the president has said many times is he is a president for all americans. i'm not sure where they got the direction. they absolutely should be fired. >> this person has been fired. >> a lot of the stuff these into that. we were on the show during a lot of those hurricanes and we were very nervous about people listening to the government and taking what they have to say with the authority and the understanding that they needed to. things like that create ripples in the pond that caused a loss of trust. everyone involved should be fired. i don't know enough about the bureaucracy when it comes to f.e.m.a.. in common sense it makes sense that f.e.m.a. should be one of the few agencies that bypasses the cabinet area and goes right to

the president. certainly some things need to change. >> i know they work very closely. i do think there is much more interagency flow then some of the other bureaus would have. i do agree that this is not good for government and these people need help. it is our job to help them. >> it with scandalous behavior that these into two trump narratives. one that bureaucracy is not on your side. also the hurricanes. everyone insisted everything that could be done was being done. this is one example. it feeds into that narrative. even as he himself was spreading falsehoods the thing is clearly not everything was being done. >> it sets an egregious precedent. if any other person

within the government wants to exact retribution neutrality is the highest principle for the federal government. it has to treat all citizens treat equally. when that is transgressed we are messing with things that are extremely fundamental. surely it is an outlier case, but needs to be punished as if it is not. much-needed rain here in the northeast. the latest on the fires we are seeing plus democrats in despair after a sweeping election day defeat.

welcome back. rainfall today in the northeast tapping down wildfire risks. over the weekend one wildfire turned deadly killing an 18-year-old volunteer forest ranger. out west in california conditions getting concerning as the mound fire burns. >> we have been tracking well fires all weekend. the jennings creek fire has burned 3000 acres. we did have light rain moving through overnight. you can see some shower still exiting. we did get some of the rain right over the fire location overnight. it did not amount to much. rain totals are well less than an inch. when it comes to the weather and well fires those winds can pick up the embers and drop them

somewhere else. when you get half an inch of rain it can stop the spread of rain, but you need more than two inches to start to extinguish these fires you have such severe drought conditions. that has been the case for the northeast. more than half the northeast has drought conditions stretching from maine to the mid-atlantic. it is because we have been extremely dry. these rain deficits over eight inches in new york. incredibly dry and the mountain fire still burning. not much containment. more than 20 acres burned. the concern is we have wind alerts issued for the santa barbara area including the fire with these wind gust can top -- gusts can top over 60 miles per hour. we have a front that came through kicking these winds.

the fire weather conditions continue through tuesday. >> all right, elisa raffa, thank you very much. democrats trying to figure out who will leave their party into the future. friend of the show mark mckinney joins us to talk about what is next. plus dana bash joins with more on where g.o.p. election integrity concerns stand now. >> do you believe the 2024 election was free and fair? >> i do. >> well was it different from 2020 when he lost?

they've already started cheating in lancaster. they will try. and they are trying. >> what worries you the most?'s head cheating. >> which state? >> all of them. >> in the weeks leading up to the 2024 election then candidate donald trump repeatedly made false claims of widespread election fraud in an attempt to sow doubt in the integrity of the results just like 2020. when asked in advance if they would accept the results this time around allies would often respond with this condition reframe.

>> if it is a free and fair election. the mac ever since trump's victory republicans have said very little about the integrity of this election. our next guest asked one of the most influential house chairman about exactly why that is? >> there are false claims about election fraud when donald trump lost. this time donald trump one and you think the election is free and there. >> i think the democrats have to ask how do we go from getting 81 million to 70 million. what happened to those 10 million people? maybe it's not smart to run an election where you have no record. >> do you believe the 2024 election was free and fair? >> i do. >> why was it different from 2020? >> there were concerns with all the mail-in voting. >> joining us now is cnn's

chief political correspondent dana bash. she is the co-host of state of the union and host of inside politics. good morning. what possibly could be the difference between 2020 and 2024? >> i've been trying to figure it out and i think i came up with it, he won. seriously, look, i have seen some people on the left online saying where the 10 million both and what happened to them? what matters the most is the democratic leadership up-and-down starting with kamala harris said i lost this election. called him to concede. did not claim one ounce of fraud or cheating because there is not any widespread evidence of fraud or cheating and we are going to have a peaceful transition. this is how it is done. we all

knew that if he won free and fair this would be the case. i just felt it was important to make this point. the concept of cheating, widespread cheating. >> the issue and the statement is that there is never enough evidence that it would change the outcome. >> correct. >> every election we need the officials to make sure and they are continuing to do that. >> correct. the integrity of our electoral process is so fundamental and was so undermined by donald trump and his allies making all of these false claims to the point that there was an insurrection. you were at the capital that day. now that we are in a different place and the shoe was on the other foot i felt it was important to make that point.

>> i appreciate seeing republicans say this was free and fair. the results are very clear. do you think this means -- honestly, i feel grateful that it was a clear result one way or the other for the sake of the country. i'm interested in how you think they should be leaving on this? you are only allowed two presidential terms. >> i echo exactly what you said. i was talking to a lot of folks and they said look, they just want a clear result. they don't want any murkiness. not coming down where it's hundreds of votes separating. a clear result i think was very helpful for the country. i think that you are right. i hope that this turns the page on a lot of the stuff from 2020. i think a clear result in their long-run is so much more helpful to the

country. >> i want to say it flatly there was a clear result in 2020. >> that's not what i was saying. >> i know. but because it was so undermining to put a stake in the heart of this notion there was widespread cheating and fraud. does it happen on a small level? sure. are there mistakes? absolutely. as you said certainly not enough to change the election in 2020 and this election was very clear. what are you hearing from democrats on this question? i also think it is worth -- as dana noted, there is a concession call. the president is hosting donald trump on wednesday. they clearly think it is important to send the message that this is going to be a peaceful transfer of power. >> that the republicans are still not going to be blamed for laying with power -- fire before the election. i think

there is a little bit of frustration that they are not being reported for basic democracy behavior. when trump did not do the same thing four years ago. >> i remember during the transition we didn't know if he was going to leave the white house. there were many plans in place on what happens if he is still there. a lot of things happened. living through that experience it is really nice to see the president and the vice president do what wasn't afforded to them and sort of take the high road. i think that is kind of how joe biden has spent his whole career. he is continuing to go along with our institutions and the traditions that we have in this country because that is core of who he is. >> i also want to ask about the interview you did with bernie sanders over the weekend. he talks a little bit about

jarreau can and the joe rogan experience. let's watch that. >> love, you can have an argument, but what is a problem going on the show? it is hard for me to understand. you have alternative media out there and a lot of podcasts that have millions of viewers. yet on the show. i don't see a problem with doing that. i got villa by -- vilified because i went on the show and now a lot of others are doing just that. >> bernie sanders a bit of a lightning rod at the moment. what do you make of what he had to say overall and specifically about that? >> the reason i wanted to laugh was in the days since the election we have heard a lot of democrats say we need to find our own joe rogan. joe rogan was there joe rogan. >> joe rogan was basically a

bernie supporter. >> he was. i wanted to shine a light on this with my interview with senator sanders. that to me is such a prime example of where democrats have kind of lost those people. the point that i was making with him is there are a lot of things that joe rogan says and believes that a lot of democrats totally shone. he has that not great things about some social issues that democrats do not agree with. he does not support vaccines. that is part of the reason why when bernie sanders went on the show he got villa five. him getting vilified by a lot of people on the left is case in point of the intolerance among a lot of people in the democratic party who claim their whole mission is to be tolerant.

>> is in that a central piece of the conversation democrats are having now about why this >> it is and precisely why. his whole thing is our policies are not geared toward the working people. we went back and forth on that. president biden's policies were geared toward the working people in a lot of ways. it is also about the culture, the messaging and the approach. i think the joe rogan example is a key one. >> i spent 6-8 months on the road with bernie sanders. the rallies that i went to in 2016 that had the most energy were

bernie sanders. i went on to cover hillary clinton and it was a totally different experience. when you and asked them who was their second choice that was they trump. it is a cultural thing. >> it was also us against them. when i talked to several veteran democrats since the election about what the harris campaign could've done sort of more of, it was not so much policy. it was the language of fighting against the man. fighting against corporations, being there for you in a way where it is in bernie sanders dna. that is also the appeal of donald trump. >> yet, but he is a billionaire from queens always shone by the democrats of manhattan. >> the folks on rogan is indicative of a larger problem.

kamala harris did not lose because she did not go on rogan. it was a broader strategy of not being creative, not being scrappy. kicking a bunch of field goals and hoping the other team would turn the ball over and implode on their own. i think that is in a lot of respects, i can pick one thing that she did where is like that was pretty creative. >> it was talking to their own audience and very little room for disagreement. >> that was not building a bigger tent. the people were mostly supporters. it was about rallying people, especially young single women who were already inclined to support her. joe rogan would've been people who would've been skeptical. there is a democratic circular firing squad and he has a bazooka

right now. you're going to see a lot more to come. >> nancy pelosi was peaked by what bernie sanders had to say. i think the d.n.c. chair called it bs. but he obviously stood by it. >> bernie in particular in some way as a stand-in for the recriminations against the left. he stands in in a way that you got out in your interview. thank you for being here. saturday night live -- part -- first postelection show -- and mark mckinnon joins us to discuss. >> anyone saying this was not a winnable campaign did not say that back in august. the reason we didn't win is because we didn't listen enough to people on the ground.

for months democrats have been saying how is this even close? they are right, it wasn't. when does america ever turned down seconds? >> democratic soul-searching continuing over the weekend. the party trying to figure out where to go from here. a number of democrats beginning to speak out about what they think led to their disastrous results. they have offered an array of different diagnoses. here is one. >> we have a party that shames us and tries to cancel people who brings up these topics.

this is the same group of people who told us to defund the police, that there wasn't a problem at the southern border. who told us inflation was transient. who told us that biden was just fine. they are out of touch. if we listen to voters they were telling us the truth. >> joining us now former adviser to george w. bush and john mccain mark mckennan. mark, always great to see you. this is our first monday in the trump transition shall we say. the interview they are, i'm really interested to know what you have to say about it. in so many ways this interview encapsulates exactly what he was talking about. he is responding to backlash over his own comments. this is what he said, democrats spend too much time trying not to offend rather than being brutally honest about the challenges many americans face. he tells

the new york times i have two little girls and i don't want them being runover on a playing field via mail or formally male athlete. as a democrat i am supposed to be afraid to say that. then he has to go into this interview and this is how he puts it, he basically says i didn't use the correct words when i said that. >> look, i was speaking authentically as a parent about one of many issues where democrats are just out of touch with the majority of americans. i stand by my position, even though i may not have used exactly the right words. i am willing to have this debate as i've been having with lgbtq advocates and others. some who agree and others who don't. >> does that not encapsulate the entirety of the issue people are trying to put their finger on? if that is so perfect, casey. it was such a

thorough -- it with everything. just from experience you spend enough time in the desert you are going to find water. democrats are now in the water and they are going to have to figure out how to find water again. bill clinton did after the reagan years. george w. bush did it with compassionate conservatism. donald trump did it with make america great again. the clear message is you've got to rethink everything, especially when donald trump has stolen the very coalition that was the backbone of the democratic party. the working class of america. when you look at the demographic of the new coalition when trump built up black voters, hispanic voters, young voters. this is everything. the democrats have to start from scratch and they

have a lot of work to do. >> morgan dao put it this way in the new york times over the weekend. the headlines is democrats in the state of mistaken economy. some democrats are finally waking up and realizing woke is broke. this alienated half the country or more in the chaos and anti-semitism at many college campuses certainly did not help. i was reading over the weekend one voter was speaking to a reporter and have to pick one word for each. it was a woman, she picked the were crazy for donald trump. she picked the were preachy for kamala harris. she says i vote for donald trump because crazy doesn't look down on me. what do you make of that? if that is really great. there is no question most americans felt the democratic party has become condescending. the faculty

lounge that thought they were better than everybody else. your discussion on the rogan podcast is a good one. rogan is a guy whether you agree or not, like you said he was burning before he was trump. he at least seems to be open-minded. the notion that you would only communicate with audiences that are sympathetic to you, rogan will listen. the interesting thing about his audience, think about the media ecosystem, rogan has a greater audience than nbc, abc, cbs, cbn and cbs combined. go where the voters are. fish where the fish are. >> mark, when you say you are in the desert you got to rebuild in many ways that comes in the form of a single person. rather bill clinton in 1992 or

barack obama in 2008. probably the sharpest example. he gave that speech at the convention that nominated kerry and burst onto the scene. he wasn't really there before that. part of why joe biden decided he was going to run again was because -- i mean they did better than expected in the midterms, but also there was no natural successor that he thought could beat donald trump. who do you think democrats are going to look to to try to take up the mantle in four years? >> i am so glad you brought up this point. it is not going to be one policy or one messaging strategy or just going to rogan. it was sort of everything. it requires someone to hold the torch if they follow me, we are going this

way. it is leadership the coalescence under somebody that is willing to sort out march forward under the banner. i don't know who that is going to be that is what the next four years is going to be all about. i like gretchen whitmore and josh shapiro. really good political athlete to come from the places, where the coalition needs to be rebuilt, the heartland of america. gretchen whitmore has been through a lot. i don't think americans are voting against democrats just because of a woman candidate. i think a lot of ways america needs and wants a woman candidate that is more trustworthy and credible than most of their meal canna mark -- counterparts. i would like to see it in my time and i think gretchen whitmore is a good natural athlete. there are

others like schapiro. we will see over the next four years. that is a really good point and i am glad that you made it. >> mark mckennan, thank you so much. turning now to this. this was saturday night live eight years ago. >> [ music ] 's payment i am not giving up and neither should you. >> that is how the cats opened the first show after trump's win in 2016. kate mckinnon as hillary clinton more fully, you could almost hear the emotion in her voice. now saturday night live striking a notably different tone after the second trump victory. >> donald trump will try to forcibly overturn the result of the last election was returned

to office. >> this is the same donald trump who openly call for vengeance. that is why we would like to say to donald trump we have been with you all along. >> we are so excited to debut our new impression hot jacked trump. >> that's right. they finally got the body right. >> it only took eight years, alex. >> you had jimmy kimmel basically crying. that was pretty funny. >> the sense of resignation that confronts the second bush term israel. >> a second trump term . >> yeah, sorry. you can see jeff bezos starting to accommodate himself to trump.

all these oligarchs who were anti-trump now becoming pro trump. that is naturally happening and worthy of political satire. i am glad they at least try to be funny this time. the second thing, i think that you're going to see a very different reaction from the left of this country. >> you mentioned elon musk. he was impersonated as well. let's watch. >> worst-case scenario if our planet falls apart we can all go to mars with the other man that we love and trust, elon musk. >> check it out, seriously. i run the country now. america is

going to be like one of my rockets that is supercool and super fun. but it could blow up and everybody dies. i am dark mega. see you in the white house. >> elon musk has clearly been around to mar-a-lago already. cara swisher was like i don't think there will be room for these two for very long because the two eagles will clash. >> we will see. who hosted s&l the last 10 years? it shows how much things have shifted. donald trump did it as a presidential candidate.'s >> elon musk needs donald trump now more than donald trump needed elon musk in the election time. to your point i don't know how long. being on some of these calls is pretty wild. time will