though, that he does have the diplomatic advantage with putin willing to talk to him, and putin willing to play ball. in part because trump administration former officials are already making noise about raising the cost of the price of oil, which would damage russia financially. so that's the sort of blackmail they're holding over moscow's head, or likely will, to come. >> kim dozier, susan glasser, great to see both of you this morning. thanks so much coming on. appreciate your time. brand- new hour of "cnn news central" starts now.

also, nearly 7,000 acres burned since early october from nearly 6 u wildfires. no, this is not california, that is new jersey and new york. what residents are being told to do in this unprecedentedly dry october. i'm sara sidner with kate balduan and john berman. this is "cnn news central. " all right, happening now, just last hour, president- elect donald trump announced that he will nominate new york member of congress elise stefanick to be the u.s. ambassador to the united nations. she has been one of his closest allies in congress for years now. in a statement to cnn, trump said, quote, i am honored to nominate chairwoman elise stefanick to serve in miss cabinet as u.s. ambassador to the united nations. elise is an incredibly strong, tough, and smart america- first

fighter. so this is just one announcement, a sense of where he might be going in terms of foreign policy. let's get right to cnn's steve cotourneau for where this fits and what else might be coming, steve? >> yeah, john. stefanick is someone who has been increasingly close with trump over the years. she was actually one of his -- on the short list to be a potential running mate for donald trump. she campaigned pretty aggressively for that job. ultimately, though, did not make his final three, and obviously, was not the choice. but she was always in line for a potential job in the trump administration. and now she takes the job of u.n. ambassador, assuming that she is confirmed, that is also a job that nikki haley once had, interestingly enough, someone that ultimately grew to become one of donald trump's biggest rivals in the republican party, and who will not be part of his administration this go-around. she joins tom holman as the two people who have already

been named to positions in a new trump administration. holman will be a border czar. he was, of course, trump's i.c.e. director in his first term as president. he is someone who has been intimately involved in shaping trump's immigration policies. he actually wrote an entire chapter for the project 2025 book on immigration and was a contributor to that. in the last couple of weeks, we have been trying to get a sense of how holman views the effort of trying to send, you know, this giant migrant movement out of the country, and here is what he said on fox just moments ago about how he sees that taking place. >> i've been clear and president trump has been clear. publ sety threats and national security threats will be the priority, because they have to be. it's the most danger to this country. so we're going to prioritize those groups. those who had due process at great taxpayer offense, and

a federal judge says you must go home, and they didn't. they became a fugitive. where do we find most victims of sex trafficking and forced labor trafficking? at work sites. and the biden administration shut down work sites. >> now, all of these decisions are coming from trump as he stays camped out at mar-a- lago in the weeks since his re-election, where he is getting a lot of influence from many of the people who are key to his victory, including rfk jr. , susie wiles, who has gone from campaign manager to chief of staff, and also, elon musk, who obviously was intensely involved in the effort to get donald trump elected. he has had an outsized role in shaping the influence around donald trump's new administration. we also knew he was in line for some sort of role, potentially overseeing spending, but it has been far more expansive than that. and he has grown, apparently, close with the trump family, take a look at some of the pictures posted to social

media by trump's granddaughter, with elon musk, with the trump family, and clearly, is finding himself with an influential part of trump's early sort of cabal of people who are helping set up his new government. it's an interesting development, given how much wealth he has, how much conflicts he has throughout the world, what he has her done in china, what he is doing with the war effort in ukraine, and it will be interesting to see what role he has official or otherwise, in the trump administration going forward. >> yeah, his finger prints or twitterprints all over the place during this transition. steve cotourneau, thank you very much for that. >> joining us is cnn contributor and longtime tech journalist kara swisher and the author of "burn book: a tech love story. " what do you think of this relationship that's delivered between donald trump

and elon musk? how much influence do you think elon musk could be having on trump's views and agenda and policy? >> reporter: well, i don't know -- i don't cover trump. i know elon very well, but i'm told whoever the last person in the room is for trump often has control of him. and of course, trump's attracted to the wealth and the glamour around elon musk, i guess it's glamour. i don't quite know what it is. nerd glamour. so he's going to have some influence. he definitely inserts himself all the time, that's his style. that's why he's just suddenly shown up there like the guest that wouldn't leave. and i'm heard from trump people, calling me saying, oh, wow, thid this is odd. and it is. but he won't go anywhere until trump throws him out, which could happen because they're both strong personality who is like to be at the center of attention. >> i wanted to ask you about that, it's something i don't think a lot of people appreciated or pointed out yet, is that they both have -- i mean, elon musk is a big personality, and you think that that aspect of elon, who

you know, could really help -- could really push him to kind of flame out in terms of being in favor with drrp, pretty quickly? >> well, you know, they're both narcissists, and there can be only one narcissist as head of the country, and that's donald trump who just won the election. i think he owes things to elon, but at some point, if he takes too much of the attention . think about steve bannon, who was on the cover of that magazine, and he was right in the middle of the white house and then he wasn't. so trump goes through people like tissues, essentially. and even if it's lusk, they're going to clash at some point. there's a lot of people around musk who are going to get increasingly nervous. again, as i've said, i've heard from a number of them that they were like, oh, you're kind of right about this guy. and i was like, yeah, i told you. he wants influence. and since he can't run for president because he comes

from south africa, he'll try to exert as much influence as possible in these first critical days. to get what he wants, which is that. it's always about what lusk wants. wants. on that note, i wanted to ask you. one of the first things we heard, that musk joined the phone call the day after the election. elon musk's starlink internet service is critical to ukraine's troops battling this russian invasion. and it's not hard for people to put two and two together if they want and see that it's hard not to interrupt that musk's presence on the call could have something to do with trump's potential leverage that he could be looking for to have over zelenskyy when he's vowed to end the war. >> i think that's too much chess. these people play checkers. musk plays chess, but you wouldn't have the head

of the person who makes tanks in the room. this is just -- this is because he was probably just sitting there -- which trump has done on occasion -- and he puts him on the phone. this is not someone with any foreign expertise, even though he has companies around the world. and the reason he bought twitter is so he would have more impact with his other businesses like starlink and tesla, so when he walked in the room, he wasn't just the car guy, he was the twitter/x guy. it's very important with autocratic leaders to have that power and how he -- if we take past as pro log or current as prologue, in how elon musk runs his companies and his style and what that could mean going forward, cutting waste and inefficiency in federal government is something that many presidents have promised. and many americans would like to see. but what would lusk's managerial style do in a federal government

context? >> well, you know, a lot of it is jazz hands around him, you know. and some of it's chaotic. some of them are run well, but he's always got someone behind him, like at spacex, it's a woman named glenn shotwell or other executives. and often he comes in and just overthrows trash cans and says, everybody, we're going to do everything differently. that's something he does al. i don't think you can do that in government. at pacex, they've ploun up a lot of rockets to get to where they are. i'm not so sure that you can blow up things in the federal government quite as easily without some impact and so. it's not the same thing as running a company where you have fiat to do everything. and that's just not true. it's not accurate. but it sound good. >> and there can be a difference between what sounds good and ends up being a good result. it's good to see you, cara. >> i call it jazz hands.

jazz hands. >> i do like jazz hands. i don't know if i want jazz hands in federal government, but i will say, fan of the jazz hands. we know kara swisher is a huge fan of jazz hands. >> i'm with you, kate. president biden has invited president- elect trump to meet him at white house on wednesday, a courtesy trump did not extend when the roles were reversed. what that conversation might look like. and this morning, wildfires are raging in new york and new jersey and california. a look at the weather conditions that have caused this, up ahead. and, have an unusual high number of packages arrived at your door? you may be doom spending. what is that? we'll talk about it, coming up.

warm and extremely dry conditions are driving raging wildfires throughout the northeast. officials say nearly 600 wildfires have burned 7,000 acres in new jersey and new york since october 1st. nearly 12 million people are now under red flag warnings in massachusetts, connecticut, and rhode island today. cnn's elisa rafa is with us right now. give us a sense of what the conditions are. this is drier than we've seen it in some time. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, we had record dry streaks that were only broke today. jennings creek fire in northern new jersey has burned 3,000 acres and it is 10% contained. we had some light rain move through overnight. you can see it's already exiting offshore, but again, it was very light. we did have

some of those showers come over that fire in northern new jersey, but not really amounting to much rain. well less than an inch, you know, only getting a few tenths of an inch out of that, which is better than nothing, but really not enough. about half an inch of rain can stop the spread of fires, but you really need more than 2 inches to start to extinguish those fires when you have drought conditions. and the drought conditions have been gripping a lot of the northeast since the beginning of fall. more than half of the northeast from maine all the way down to d.c. , west virginia, is under drought conditions. some extreme drought conditions for parts of new jersey and it's because we really haven't gotten rain since the beginning of fall on september 1st. look at the rainfall deficit for fall. we're talking more than 7 inches in philadelphia. more than 8 inches in new york. 6. 5 inches in boston. so we really haven't gotten much rain at all. in fact, philadelphia just this morning broke its record for the longest streak without measurable rain at 42

days. the previous record was 29 days. so breaking that record by almost 2 weeks. and that record was extremely old, set back in 1874. now, we do know that wildfire days are increasing, especially in the southwest, where wildfires are a huge concern. but even for parts of the east, where you might not expect it, wildfire danger is increasing. in northern new jersey, where we have that fire right now, wildfire days have increased by ten days since the 1970s. so we're adding more dry, warm, and windy days throughout the year. sara? >> it's definitely been unusually warm here in the new york/new jersey area. i want to ask you about what's happening in the west, because we're so used to seeing wildfires there. but these are particularly terrible. what can you tell us about the conditions there? >> yeah, we still have the mountain fire that's burning, not much containment. 20,000 acres have already burned. now, we had some better conditions over the weekend, where they were able to get more of it under control, but

we have a front that came through that's kicking in those winds again. we have a wind advisory in effect from santa barbara, parts of northern los angeles, where we have those fire concerns, and that can get those gusts back up to 50 to 60 miles per hour. the winds will kick again as that front comes through across parts of southern california, which can be a problem when you're fighting that extreme fire. the extreme fire weather danger also comes back, going into tomorrow as well, as you have those winds that keep picking up the very dry air and the ongoing drought. all of these issues continuing. sara? >> so many people have lost their homes, it's heartbreaking to watch. thank you so much, elisa rafa for that update. john? quote, there is a general feeling of dread. and new reporting about the mood inside government agencies as workers prepare for the huge cuts that donald trump has promised. and this morning, one private attorney counseling his clients to leave the country until after trump is sworn in amid fears that they could be targets for a wave of retribution.

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a federal workforce on edge. federal employees telling cnn in a new report that they are preparing for what could be major changes and a potential purge when donald trump returns to the white house. some describing a growing sense of dread of what's to come for the civiler is er servants who keep the government working. rene marsh has this new report and is joining us now. tell us more about what you're learning. >> reporter: well, kate, we are in a new dystopian

hellscape, that is from a federal employee via text message just last night. this is the mind- set of the 2 million federal workers anticipating onald trump's return to office. to be very clear, what donald trump is promising for federal workers is unlike anything we've seen in our lifetimes. he's proposing reverting to a structure of government that existed 141 years ago, when political parties gave government jobs to their supporters and that's what federal workers, who i'm speaking with, are so anxious and so scared about. now, trump's plan, we know it as schedule "f," it would give him the power to start these mass firings of non- partisan employees who are perceived as disloyal. trump's plan for the federal work, not a surprise. he repeated this plan to voters, and call federal workers agents of the deep state working against him and his agenda.

some employees who lived through his first presidency say that right now, they're experiencing ptsd. one of them telling me, we are absolutely having conversations amongst ourselves about whether we can stomach a second term or a round 2, as they put it. but it's not just these mass firings. we're also expecting a second trump presidency will mean mass transfers of senior executives and relocation of agency offices. something we saw during trump's first presidency, that led to lots of these federal employees deciding to retire or resign. >> and lusk is also, potentially involved in this aspect of the trump administration, as well. i mean, what does elon musk and his influence, what does it mean for these workforce reductions? >> it certainly appears that lusk has the ear of the president on this issue. i mean, trump's proposal for a government efficiency commission

would be, as we understand it, headed by or be some involvement by lusk, the billionaire, who has pushed for a task force and he has promised that this task force could slash some $2 trillion in government spending. that is just another layer of uncertainty that these federal workers are aware of and it's just creating this heightened level of anxiety, kate. >> marsh, thanks for the reporting, rene. john, with us is national security attorney, mark zaid. thanks so much for being with us. this is a separate subject, although tangentially related. you are advising clients that are worried about retribution from the incoming trump administration, revenge. and i was reading an article where you said that you were counseling some people to leave the country. why? >> well, look, donald trump

and those in his inner circle have been very clear over the period of time and especially during the campaign, that they do intend to retaliate. and they do intend to retaliate swiftly. they've made those promises. he said that he intends to have his second administration one that fulfill promises. so it would be naive and foolish for us not to take any of this seriously. and we're preparing now, i've represented a lot of clients who have been specifically targets of president trump and those around him. and we're not just talking about my federal employee workers and different agencies, who are uncomfortable, like you've just heard in this last segment. we're talking about people who have been specifically called out by the former president of the united states. and we're not rushing to it. i'm not saying, sell your home, move overseas, never come back, become an ex-pat. i'm telling certain clients, a small number, that you know what, take a vacation for

inauguration and let's see what happens in the days or week or or afterwards. >> what do you think he could do? what form would retribution, retaliation, revenge take in your mind? >> well, it can vary, depending on obviously the individuals. it could be as harsh as criminal prosecution. i mean, you yourself and your network are potentially vulnerable. how many times have you done a story on classified information and it being leaked? well, under the espionage act, that's prosecutable. the only reason why it hasn't happened previously is that the norm of the justice department has been not to prosecute journalists. there will be no norms that are in the second trump administration. so, we're preparing for all of this. it could be tax audits, like we saw back in the nixon administration. it could be terminations like your last discussion was

about. it could take the form of civil penalties. i mean, there is a whole host of usage of laws. not even abuse of laws, but the use of laws in a way that hasn't been typical or perhaps extreme that people could fall victim to. again, it's just preparation. >> and is it donald trump exclusively that you're concerned about? >> no, actually, in many ways, it's more about the people who will be among him. in the first administration, and i represented quite a number of them who were in the white house with donald trump, there were people, for example, who would take documents off his desk, so that he wouldn't sign them. and he would forget about it. that we saw in the nixon administration as well, in fact. we're concerned this time around with the extremist, some of them, who will be around

him, that will bring the documents to the president to sign. we've got people like steve bannon and others who have made it very clear where they stand on seeking political retribution against their perceived enemies using what is called lawfare, which they have been doing for the last four years when he's been out of office. and suing perceived enemies. >> i just want to ask, you're a lawyer, a good lawyer, a very active lawyer. do you feel like you have recourse to fight this in the courts, in the coming months, if this were to happen? >> that's a good question. look, the judicial system is still in tact. there are a lot more judges appointed by the president, but -- the former president, but i've been before many of them, and oftentimes, if not all the time, you know, they're not swayed by political aspects of it. there are jurisdictions where that's been a problem, for sure. the biggest problem with challenging this in court,

based on what the administration might do come january 20th, is the length of time that it takes. if someone is prosecuted or sued, i mean, trump threatened to sue me for treason. it doesn't exist. but he did it. but, you know, if something like that happens, it takes time to go through federal court. we just saw thatthat the special counsel prosecutions. the reason why they failed was not substantively, it was procedurally. they took long. so that, you know, i would hate for any of my clients to be facing whether criminal or civil prosecutions in a certain way, and they are victimized for that for two, three years. that's still not, obviously, a lot of fun. >> mark zaid, a lot on your plate right now, appreciate your time this morning. keep us posted on all of this. thank you. sara? all right, just ahead, president biden claims to urge donald trump to stick by ukraine when they meet at the white house this week. details on the high- stakes meeting that is set for wednesday. and four people on a

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this week, president biden will be welcoming donald trump to the white house. their first face-to- face meeting since they met on the cnn debatedebate stage in june. that meeting changed the

course of political history. biden this time is expected to reaffirm his commitment to a peaceful transfer of power while also leaving trump with important parting words on u.s. foreign policy. cnn's arlette saenz is at the white house, tracking this one for us. arlette, what is the white house expecting from this meeting? >> well, kate, for president biden, his meeting with president-elect trump is really a key step in a symbolic part of his commitment that there will be a peaceful transition of power. of course, trump had completely shunned this typical meeting between two presidents and a president- elect back in 2020, when biden beat him in that election. trump never invited biden to the white house, or even conceded the race to president biden during that time. but as the two men are preparing to meet, they are former competitors and now will be sitting down to talk about some of the most pressing domestic and foreign policy issues at hand.

one area where biden is really hoping to exert some influence in the coming weeks of his presidency is trying to explain to the trump transition why he believes that it's important that aid for ukraine continue beyond the biden presidency. biden has charged his team with deploying as much approved money and weaponry to ukraine before leaving office. and it comes at a time where trump has really cast doubt about which future u.s. support for ukraine will look like. national security adviser jake sullivan said that the president in his arguments plans to argue that not furthering aid for ukraine could lead to instability not just in europe, but also for asian allies, as well. so this is one of the major topics that could come up in this meeting tomorrow. of course, biden is now facing this new reality that the man that he had beat in 2020, who he has painted as a direct threat to democracy will now be returning to the white house

in january, and they will go through this transition of having this meeting in the oval office on wednesday. >> and today is veterans day, arlette. how is the president planning to mark today? >> reporter: well, president biden and first lady jill biden right now are hosting a breakfast here at the white house for veterans, their families, and survivors. they then will travel toto national cemetery. biden will lay a wreath at the tomb of the unknown soldier, which is celebrating its centennial anniversary. and then he will deliver some remarks. biden will also be joined here by vice president kamala harris. this is the first time she's publicly appearing since she gave that concession speech on wednesday and the first time that she's appearing with biden for weeks now. so we will see what those interactions can be like. but for president biden, he has long argued that one of the country's most sacred obligations is not just preparing men and women when they go to war, but also caring for them and their families when they return. the white house this morning is

touting a host of initiatives that they have said is aiding veterans. they've argued that they've provided more benefits in health care at a faster rate than ever before to veterans. they are also trying to expand support for those who have had toxic exposure, including for burn pits, classifying more cancers that could disqualify for benefits. they've also talked about efforts to lower homelessness among veterans in this country. for president biden, it's a very solemn day, and he'll have a chance to speak to that in the coming hours at allerton national cemetery. >> arlette, thank you very much. sara? >> joining me now are our political commentators, scott jennings and carol finning. let's talk a little bit about the jockeying for position in the trump administration. made very clear with this tweet that he expects those that want to be the senate majority leader to -- and here's what he said. any republican senator seeking the coveted leadership position in the united states senate must

agree to recess appointments in the senate, without which we will not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner. scott, judging from the response of senators thune, scott, and cornyn all vying for this job, how do you see this all shaking out? >> well, look, they want to make donald trump happy, and they want donald trump to get what he deserves, which is a chance to build his administration and staff it with people who will execute on his agenda. i'm not surprised to see them coming out to support trump's viewpoint on this. although, i would say, in the early going with 53 senators, i would expect trump would have no trouble, hopefully, getting post american people confirmed right out of the gate. the most important position is the cabinet- level positions. they'll be sent up, and they immediate to be confirmed quickly, so trump can get about the business of executing his agenda. what i think he wants is ultimately just the best possible working relationship with the republicans in the senate, because, you know, people are policy. and getting your people in means you can execute. and when you don't have them in, it as low as

things down. >> karen, when you think about this, and we were hearing some was also going to try to push through a whole bunch of people, when you think about this as a democrat, what is your worry? >> well, my friend, scott, did a lovely job spinning that. it's not about just having a good working relationship. of course, any president wants that. but it's about, "a," getting what you want. and by that i mean, "b," making sure that you are setting from the beginning a relationship where congress understands what trump wants, trump expects to get. and he expects total loyalty. he's made that very clear throughout the campaign, that he will expect loyalty from all of the people that he puts in the administration. and frankly, the way he's moving to consolidate power makes it clear that he expects full loyalty also from the legislative branch. because if some ways, he views that as basically an extension of his administration. the thing that would concern

me is that these recess appointments may mean that we don't have the regular scrutiny of who these people are, or even just the basic background information to know the level of qualifications about some of these individuals, so he may try to put in place, because, again, he has said the number one qualification is loyalty, not necessarily competency in a given issue area. but you know what, the american people, those who turned out, decided they don't care. and so, america is about to get the government it voted for. >> all right. i do want to ask you, speaking of that, about the immigration, which was sometimes the first and then became kind of the second most important issue to americans. and we just heard announced that tom homan, the former head of i.c.e. , is going to be trump's border czar. he had a conversation on "60 minutes," i want to play a little bit of that. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without

separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. it's not going to be a mass sweep of neighborhoods. it's not going to be building concentration camps. i've read it all. it's ridiculous. >> so, scott, how do you see this being trump's policy sort of being meted out? >> well, first of all, i think mr. homan is the exact right choice and i'm glad the president has moved on that so quickly, because it was such a big part of his campaign. number two, there's a whole bunch of people in this country that don't need to be here. in fact, there's 1. 3 million people who have already received deportation orders from federal courts. they've already had due process. they need to leave. and so there's a good place to start. there's a whole another bunch of people who are here that we know have committed violent crimes, either where they were or since they've been here. they need to be sent away as well. so there are large numbers of people that need to be taken out of this country, and i think mr. homan is going to be the

person who's most capable of getting that done. and for those who think that this is somehow unusual, it's not. every administration deports people. barack obama deported all kinds of people. lots of people, in fact. and so it's something that the executive branch can and should do when due process has occurred, or when we know there are people in the country who wish harm on american citizens. this should not be controversial. and in fact, in the campaign, it wasn't. polling repeatedly showed that people supported trump's viewpoint on this issue. >> karen, what is your view after what you heard from tom homan? >> look, i think -- let's just stipulate, everyone agrees that if you are a criminal, a violent criminal in particular, that should be the priority in terms of deportation. and so, i don't think there's disagreement on that. and again, with regard to others, i think the questions, and we'll have to see, frankly, how it unfolds. because we really weren't given details during the campaign. what we just heard from mr. homan, that's actually more detail than we got

largely during the campaign about how this would work. how do you determine who are the individuals that are going to be deported? and again, when we talk about separating families, what we're saying then, potentially, is that if a child is an american citizen, in order not to separate that family, you could be deporting an american citizen with a parent who may not be here legally. that's one of the questions. we'll have to see how that shakes out. and the second question is just the impact on the economy. we know that many of the people who are here illegally work in industries and corporations where they are paying social security taxes, where they are, you know, part of the labor force. and when you start to deport and remove that from the labor force, what does that mean in terms of cost, in terms of the ability to fill those jobs. so we'll have to see how all of that shakes out. >> karen finney, scott jennings, thank you both so much. appreciate your time.

john? >> all right, how some americans unsettled by the election results are coping. doom spending is apparently all the rage.

in a dramatic ocean rescue, a disney cruise -- a disney cruise ship, rather -- hello! rescued four stranded boaters about 265 miles off the coast of bermuda. this happened yesterday when the coast guard responded to a distress call to the boat that was taking on water. the coast guard says it coordinated with the cruise ship, because it was the

closest vessel to the boat. the cruise ship called the disney treasure was on its way to port canaveral for its maiden voyage when it was called in to help. in a statement, the captain of the cruise ship said we are pleased that the disney "treasure" was able to provide aid to the boat and passengers in peril. no medical issues were reported after this. this morning, some anxious americans are easing their election stress with retail therapy. what is called doom spending is on the rise, as some seek to cope with their anxiety about politics and global issues. cnn's vanessa yurkevich is here with us now. is this sound fiscal planning? >> we've been doing it for, you know, generations. people have done this forever. this is just really trending now, because people are talking about it now. and it now has this term. but essentially, it's when you're feeling doomy and gloomy about things. maybe it's the economy. you can't afford the house you really want, so you're spending on a pair of shoes. or feeling not great about the results of the presidential

election. you want to make yourself feel a little bit better, so you are doing a little bit of spending. the problem is that if you're spending a little bit over days, weeks, months, that starts to add up, right? so you have -- americans say that they are carrying debt on their credit cards, 50% of americans report that. and also, the u.s. right now has over $1 trillion right now in credit card debt. that is a record. so if you can budget it correctly, where you're spending to make yourself feel good in that moment, that little dopamine hit, okay. but if this is something that you're running into issues with and you're putting a lot on your credit card, just to feel good, that's obviously not good. >> any ideas how you can stop yourself once you start? >> re- evaluate your relationship with money and spending? figure out if you use it for emotional coping. also, stop doom scrolling. get off the phone. if you really need to be on your phone, call your friend, talk about something else. and there are others way to get that dopamine hit, right? maybe go for a walk, joi an exercise class, hug a dog. better yet, volunteer at

an animal shelter. a lot of pets might make you feel good. that's a different kind of emotional therapy. but the bottom line is to try to figure out if you're doing this regularly, when anything is doomy and gloomy, or you're just doing it ever so often, which i think we're all really guilty of. >> i wasn't paying attention, because i was -- >> shopping? >> well played. >> hitting purchase in your cart? >> yes. >> i'll just say as a woman who clearly doesn't like to shop at all, there's a different bit of a dopamine hit taking a walk than when i get a new piece. >> correct. >> so you can walk and maybe do that one purchase. >> oh, i'm very capable. >> and don't do it for the rest of the walk. >> petting dogs, i recommend. >> you can hug a dog, but you can also hug a new purchase. >> i'll tell you -- >> it's all good. >> designer goods, do keep my warm at night. they do. they do. >> oh, thank you so much, vanessa for that. no more doom scrolling.

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