it also happened in shanghai, the site of huge halloween celebrations last year. this year, heavy crowd control. police escorting away plenty of people in halloween costumes one of the most conspicuous, president donald trump. so, they are censoring us again, erin, as you can see from a live picture in beijing . it is not surprising, the imagery in this piece, particularly the students on bicycles, it is reminiscent perhaps of the spring of 1989, when university students in beijing wrote their bikes through cinnamon square. we know how that ended, a massive crackdown by the military. it is shocking because the government initially rushed to promote this trend . they were excited to see students having fun, going to get those delicious soup dumplings. yet, when he got too big, too popular, we now have this. >> absolutely fascinating. thank you very much, will

ripley for that. the president-elect choose s a national security adviser staffing two hard-liners to carry out mass deportations. also, tech reporter kera swisher on eli musks role at mar-a-lago right now and on the trump transition. we look at whether the romance will last. man unabridged led to his arrest and conviction in the murder of two teenage girls, one of whom recorded this video and helped catch her killer. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news. the president-elect has asked florida congressman mike walz to be his national security adviser. congressman walz is a decorated green beret and afghan combat vet who chairs the house armed services subcommittee on readiness. named lee zeldin to head the epa. candidate trump campaigned

on electric vehicles and promised her killer canceled and epa regulations. now, the league league of conservation voters says that as a congressman, zeldin supported what they consider proenvironment bills 14% of the time. over the weekend the president-elect named tom home and his borders are. home and served as acting director immigrations and customs enforcement in the first trump administration. he was a strong supporter of the admissions family separation policy. earlier this year at a conservative conference in washington he vowed that if chosen he would, quote, run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. regarding the possibility that some of those facing deportations might have children born in this country who are therefore american citizens, here is what he recently told cecelia vega. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together.

>> home and will be joined in the deportation effort by stephen miller, the president-elect is naming one of his deputy chief of staff. miller was an architect of the first trump administration family separation policy. he supported ending birthright citizenship which is enshrined in the 14th amendment. at last month's madison square garden rally he was upfront about what would have been called his america first views. >> who is going to stand up and say the cartels are gone, the criminal migrants are gone, the gangs are gone, america is for americans and americans only. >> also today, the president named congresswoman elisa stefanik to be his united nations ambassador. the congress woman health asked and then replaced liz cheney as robert and conference chair. more announcements to come in the days ahead, kaitlan collins has that breaking news. let's talk more about the

president-elect pick for national security adviser. >> this is a critical one, anderson, given everything going on in the world. the national security adviser's portfolio is often quite wide and they are dealing with whatever crisis arises at the time. jake sullivan, bidens natural security national security adviser has been dealing with russia's war in ukraine and now israel's war in gaza and those are likely to be two crises that mike walz is going to inherit, as donald trump's fifth national security adviser. he follows a long line of the four that we saw donald trump having his first term in office, starting with mike flynn, and ending with robert o'brien. obviously, two in the middle, mcmaster and bolton, that trump had fallen out with, including alton, who is now one of dalton's biggest critics. did not vote for him in the before election, but mike walz is a congressman from florida, he is an ardent defender of donald trump and is actually the first green beret to ever serve in congress. he is bringing that experience here to this

position, so that will be something that is critical, as you are watching all of this takes place. i will say, he is someone who back to donald trump's efforts to overturn the election in 2020 but when you look at it from a foreign policy perspective, which is where he will weigh in on from the west wing office, he certainly has more of a mike pompeo sense of the world, then more of a jd vance america first kind of policy. that is obviously something that we will be watching closely as to which ideology wins out when trump is actually in office. >> how much influence does stephen milner expect to have , particularly on immigration? he was a key player in the first at ministration. >> i would expect stephen miller to have a lot of influence in a second trump term. he certainly had it the

first time. he often minimized or downplayed his role and the advice that he gave to trump. he was not someone who would really disagree with trump in meetings on policy but often would either speak to him in the oval office or pull him aside and make his views clear. he did a lot of the speechwriting for trump in his first term, so often, you know, what you would hear from trump's mouth speaking at rallies or white house events, as were stephen miller's words that he put there. so, they are very closely aligned on policy. from what i have heard this time around now that he will be deputy chief of staff in the white house, elevating him over the role he had last time, i would expect him to have a lot of say, because he is someone who stuck by donald trump's side when a lot of people left after january 6th and after he lost the 2020 election, he was someone who was there, often defending him on television, certainly traveling with him, and his remained mostly aligned, and is someone who is expected to be a very influential voice on the mass deportation pledge that trump has promised this time around. he is also someone, anderson, with that family separation

policy that got so much backlash the last time around, he has still defended that policy, arguing that if it had been in place longer it would have worked. >> what is your sense of jockeying among trump allies and mar-a-lago. last time we spoke saying they were kind of everywhere, not just at mar-a-lago but hotels all around trying to get face time with somebody who has facetime with trump. >> reporter: it was kind of a free-for-all, as it typically is . it has been more streamlined, mostly during the day where trump has been sitting down with his transition team and actually going through the names of candidates. trump was also on the phone at mar-a-lago, and was having those interactions, having this moment seems to have decided on someone for one job and at the last moment changes it to another, or someone falls out of contention and they are brought back into the fold. so, keeping up with sources on this is a bit of a juggling act. even the people we are speaking to do not always know who is ahead or he

was going to get the nod. sometimes they are surprised by reporting that we have go out on who gets the job. and so, it is kind of very much still a jockeying situation. some people might say that is just staffing, that is not important, but in a trump white house, staffing is everything. certainly, this time around, it withank you. be sure to stay tuned for the source of the top of the next hour. caitlin's guest will be of former president of the national border patrol council which represents border patrol agents and staff. joining us now, and navarro, and matt mauer who served in the trump administration. i'm not sure how many people remember stephen miller, but he has certainly been a central figure in immigration policy. >> yes, also someone who was the architect of the 2017 muslim travel ban, as well,

which is also controversial. to her point, you know, we saw this as well with susie wiles, who he named chief of staff but these are people who have stuck with him through thick and thin, and especially in those dark days in 2020, when he lost the election and a lot of people left his side. i think it is very important about stephen miller is that he has never gone astray from his strong stance on immigration. so, i think, with these pics as well as tom homan, the former acting director of i.c.e. , i think that trump is going full force ahead with mass deportations. the other night you asked, how will that happen? you know, we are getting more information on that now. the military may build detention centers to house these immigrants. stephen miller was on the record as saying that they might put all of these immigrants on empty land in texas near the border. they are going to no doubt use the national guard to help with these efforts and they will also penalize the sanctuary cities, who may not help them

in their states to be able to do this by taking away federal funding. there is something called the byrne justice assistance grant, gives $250 million annually to state and local governments, they might say, no more of that. >> nobody can say trump did not say that is what they wanted to do. there were signs at the republican convention , not just hand scrawled signs, printed out signs they passed out saying master deportations. >> this remind me of 2016, when he ran promising to appoint conservative supreme court justices, and he did. this time he ran promising mass deportations . and from these appointments, it seems like he will deliver. so anybody who thought this would be a more unifying, softer, freer, warmer trump who would perhaps want a second chance to be president of all americans is waking up this morning, and realizing that that will not happen. i

think there is a lot of fear, certainly a lot of fear among the immigrant community, a lot of fear amongst dreamers, and i think their fear is well-founded. and look, mass deportations means a lot more than just criminals, right? i don't know anybody who is against immigrants who have come here and committed crimes. between crossing the border but by committing crimes and crimes that would be crimes regardless of whether they were committed by u.s. citizens or immigrants. i don't know anybody who is against those people being deported. but if you're talking about mass deportations, such as they are describing, it will go much deeper. it is going to mean your friends and your colleagues and your relatives , and the children who go to school with your children. it is going to mean people who do essential work in the united states that nobody else wants

to work. backbreaking work. disgusting work, like you know, killing chickens . disgusting work like working in a dairy farm. that is what it is going to mean and i don't know what that means for the economy, but folks are about to find out. >> stephen miller was talking about that as building up to 1 million people deported per year . a lot of folks have looked at that and said look, that goes way beyond just people who have committed a crime, to anna's point, once they are here in the country. do you think that is -- it had a lot of blowback last time but do you think people will be more accepting of it this time? >> i do. i have known stephen miller for a long time and even those who disagree with him on policy technology is a smart guy, he knows the subject matter. interviews show he knows how to enact these policies and there is no surprise that donald trump would choose him along with tom homan, to implement what he was talking about on the campaign trail. and look, they have

talked about, and president trump has even said, that they would prioritize those who are drug dealers or have committed crimes, connected to gang activity, but your question, americans are living with the real world impact every single day with over 15 million illegal immigrants have crossed the border and they see the impact in their own communities. with her scouting in schools, whether it is pulling on the welfare net, and social security benefits in the hospital and emergency rooms being crowded. americans, because they have been living it so much and not just on the border anymore. a lot of folks were criticizing ron desantis, and greg abbott for what they did in saying that if this is going to be a texas and florida challenge it has to be an america challenge and start putting those who crossed the border illegally on buses to new york city, those folks in new york city are now seeing the impact as well with overcrowding in schools, and stretches on global benefits or

yes i think the american people are saying, this is in large part why donald trump got elected. >> annex -- let's play a clip about what stephen miller said about the predations. >> when will the deportations begin? >> as president trump said, they begin on an operation david agus and as he takes the oath of office. >> to matt's point, sending the busing of people who crossed the river by some of the governors there and mears, that was roundly criticized by elected democrats and others. it was very effective in terms of , you know, matt saying, waking up people in a lot of other states , states on the border facing, whether you think it is waking up to or just people seeing this and not liking it in their city , it certainly had a huge impact. >> it was very effective. is apparently also accusing haitians of eating dogs and cats, and accusing the

venezuelans of having taken over aurora, colorado, and all the things that he said were very effective in driving fear into the hearts of americans, and then driving them to the polls . because the problem is, anderson, people talk about the cost of immigration , and they don't want to talk about the benefit of immigration. if you think there are a lot of people who say they voted because of the price of eggs. if you think eggs are expensive now, go do a raid on poultry farms in gainesville, georgia, or arkansas, and then we will talk about the price of eggs. >> we had to take a quick rake. coming up next, two big names that have been ruled out of the next atomization. also, elon musk hanging out at mar-a-lago and weighing in on hirings. we will also speak with tech reporter kera swisher who has reported on musk for years. leader, the conviction in the case of two murdered

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again, breaking news tonight, the choice of mike walter to be president trump's next national security adviser comes after many interesting sidebars including medication social media, quoting, i will not be inviting nikki haley or

mike pompeo to join the trump formation currently information. i enjoyed and appreciated working with them previously and like to thank them for their service to our country. back to the panel. i mean, it is certainly the idea that running against him in a primary. >> and saying the things that she said about him. you know, telling the truths about him during that time. look, that was quintessential trump putting that post out. it made it seem like mike pompeo and nikki haley had asked for a position in the administration. probably not. nikki haley is going to run for president again in 2028, i believe that is why she was forced to endorse trump, because she needs his base if she wants to have a future political career, and not surprised at all . neither of them need to serve. >> she was not forced to do anything. she is a grown woman. for her political ambitions, take? >> that's right. >> kamala harris lost an election. nikki haley has lost every modicum of dignity.

because, after first criticizing him, then she took it back, then she ran against him, then she endorsed him, then she practically begged him to let her campaign with him, and now, he is saying , by, felicia. i find it incredibly embarrassing, a woman who had such a bright future was one of the rising stars in the republic and party, but i think what trump is making evidence, through that treat is that he wants loyalty, 100% loyalty from everyone that he appoints, and that he wants maga people, not neocons, not people who are considered foreign policy hawks, which i think both pao and nikki haley and marco rubio -- >> what do you think of lee zeldin being named the epa administrator? >> i think it's a good choice. certainly of 2016 and the transition was a shotgun wedding, this one has had a

long-term engagement. none of the people he is choosing are strangers but these are folks that donald trump knows that he has known lee zeldin for a long time he think highly of him. i think i have camping together, he calls him the great lee zeldin. i'm not surprised that congress and zeldin ended up in the administration, and i think it actually speaks to the other nominations and appointments made. these are all people, oil you can disagree with them on policy are eminently qualified for these positions. right? there is no one here who does not pass the litmus test for a pedigree, but they also happen to be people that donald trump trust and you need that. i don't care what atomization it is, is the president of the united states does not have trust in his cabinet they cannot function effectively. and because of the nature of the transition last time he did not have that relationship with his cabinet secretaries. it is not that folks cannot push back. i heard plenty of stories when someone disagrees with donald trump, as long as it is done in a way which is

constructive, he usually receives it pretty well. but at the end of the day he is the president of the united states, he gets to make the decision and the cabinet implements them. >> everyone that he has named so far has been in government in one shape or another, so, they come with a level of experience and knowing how to do things that, you know, in 2016 he had a bunch of rich people who had never been in government practices -- >> he has elon musk now, musk wrote on x about elisa stefanik getting the nod for u.n. ambassador period he wrote, elise is awesome but it might be too dicey to lose her from the house, at least for now. to talk to kera swisher more about musk. it is fascinating to me that he is weighing in on a granular level, publicly, about this, rick scott in florida, -- >> we said the other night on this show, i think he will be the most influential adviser to donald trump. it depends on how long they last together, because they both have huge egos, but with regard to italy stephani, she was a moderate

republican when she was elected 10 years ago. and then she became hard maga in the last four years he has been one of his biggest most vocal defenders but i think she made her mark for the ambassador job at the u.n. when she was so incredibly forceful with those college presidents who came to testify before the house committee about the campus protests , about the israeli gaza war. two of those presidents resigned after they were questioned in part by at least a phonic. she has also been a very staunch critic of the u.n., so it will be very interesting i think to see her in that role. >> it is interesting to think that kamala harris was promising a republican in the cabinet and donald trump is imposing litmus test on loyalty to him, and loyalty to the ideology, for lack of a better term, but he espouses. >> matt? >> i will just say, i think every president expects most of

the cabinet to be pretty loyal to them. what the american people voted for, so it is really not all that different than what most presidents ask. i will say one thing on elon musk, to. i think this is a good thing for donald trump. he is bringing in advisers who are from outside, and he will keep sector advisers. elon musk has now been relied on by nasa to get astronauts out of space, to be able to actually run a number of the functions of the u.s. government has been unable to do. we are now seeing elon musk stepping up with starling in ukraine. and so, i think this is actually a good thing. it showed outside ideas and despite the fact that yes, everyone , so far, has government experience, you need to keep some outside perspective in order to actually deliver on the mandate he has voted for. >> it has been reported that melania is not coming to the white house meeting on wednesday but i wonder if elon musk is coming instead. >> thanks so much. next, how strong is the political alliance between elon

musk and the president-elect. kera swisher joins me next.

newly released video we will show you now of elon musk at mar-a-lago on election night. his family mixing with trump's family. >> you have to get elon with his boy. >> the video was released today by the president-elect granddaughters on her video blog and on twitter, car trump posted this picture of her with musk and his child. she rated, elon achieving uncle status . multiple sources tell cnn that musk has been at mar-a-lago every day since trump won, weighing and appointments like this is to phonic dining with

trump and at least two more leaders. training now is tech journalist kera swisher who has reported on trump for years she is also cohost of the pivot outcast. >> kera, by most accounts, musk seems to be camped out at mar-a-lago since president trump one. what you make of their postelection alliance? >> it's like that movie with richard dreyfus and bill murray, i think it's called what's bob? he's not leaving. >> you said you didn't expect this alliance to end well? why not? >> i think we have two very narcissistic people who like being dominant and there can be only one . that would be president-elect donald trump, even if elon musk is the world's richest man. >> what is in this for musk? is it -- obviously there is the attention, which he seems to like. but, there is also government contracts. his

business relies a lot on the u.s. government. >> yeah. he already had those. 15 billion or some number and of course the government stepped in to save tesla when it was in trouble by giving it a loan, so i remember when he got the first space contract called me because he was delighted, he was sort of beating up on the old guard like lockheed and boeing and everyone else. he was thrilled to be innovative and i think that is exciting but that is the exciting part for elon musk. the not so exciting part is that this feels like crony capitalism, right? he is hanging out at the manor with the boss and then he will get extras for it. i think a lot of people are worried, including people who compete with him, as he has gotten this definitive advantage which seems a little strange. >> you bring up people competing with him, i was taking about jeff pazo's and sam altman, you know, the people at open a.i., i guess they have had a falling out, i don't quite understand the status of their relationship. but, what does it mean for

them? >> you know, certain statuses are collocated but it's not good. he has attacked and sued open a.i. and made all kinds of allegations, so if you are open a.i. you have to be worried because you are rita hoffman, backer of kamala harris, you have to be worried but you don't know what they can do, right? i think the uncertainty is the problem, but you certainly have to, you know, you have to cozy up to the trump administration, because this attestation operates in a very transactional way. and so, elon understands that, he also wants some influence for his various ideas about reforming the government, which i think he will run into a buzz saw more difficult than just bossing people around. he has a tendency to wander into a company and took all the trash cans and scare people, right? that's his thing. but, i think it is helpful when it comes to government. you cannot blowup rockets every day but you can't do that. >> musk owens x, formerly

twitter, trump administration social, there is this talk about, you know, some sort of merger . do you think that is real? >> it would be an interesting thing. truth social has no business to speak of whatsoever. i think my podcast makes 7 to 10 times more than they do but they are not profitable and they are losing subscribers fixing thing with twitter. valuation on that has been brought dan rather considerably but he's not using it as a business, he is using it as an influence vehicle, that is why he bought it and that is what he's using it for. it hardly matters what he paid for it because he is so rich. and so, i think merging would be interesting, taking it public, i mean you can take two really broken business models and put them together and still do well in the stock market. that would give a lot of money to donald trump, that's for sure. elon can monetize this thing, and he has all these fans, you could see it. they aren't businesses, there, just to be clear. their terrible

businesses. >> do you have any sense of why elon musk has done gone down this conspiracy rabbit hole? at some point a couple weeks ago he was posting things about qanon. >> yeah, i don't know. anderson, i used to talk to him all the time, until he blew up. that is an experience , i share with many people, like sam altman, until they weren't. silicon valley is littered with people like that, and then there are the enablers who stick with him because they will get while the getting is good. why not attach yourself to this guy who is so rich? i don't know. we had a very unusual interview, one of the last ones was during covid , and i felt a shift in him that was rather significant. he was very obsessed with the deep state , the government of california was keeping him from his thing and he had a very dramatic idea about his company, which at one point he

told me, if tesla didn't survive, humanity was doomed, and i was like, okay. sure. like, i thought, is he kidding? i didn't think he was kidding at the time. so he got very attached to that idea that he was the savior. >> kera swisher, thank you so much. >> thanks, anderson. coming up, a verdict in a murder trial which gained national attention after two teenage girls in indiana were found dead in the woods in 2017. have the crucial video you can see here from a cell phone of one of the victims led to today's conviction.

early appointees have become a test of loyalty to the

president-elect. recess appointment would allow him to bypass senate confirmation appointments, and 11 to install anyone even those who may not be able to win support from a republican senate. on sunday he treated, any republican senator seeking a coveted leadership positcan take two years or more. this is what they did four years ago and we cannot let it happen again. we need positions filled immediately. joined me now, some on a russia. this has gotten into the weeds or some people but can you ask blaine what a recess appointment is and if there is any precedent for what president-elect trump is demanding? >> there really is not a precedent, especially if he tries to push through a slew of his nominees and bypass the building behind me, the united states senate. remember, advice

and consent is the constitutional authority given to senators as they way the president's picks for effective branch appointments but typically, that process takes a lot of time. it requires vetting, a background check, both in the committee, votes in the senate floor, it could take a few months in order to go through that process. what donald trump is suggesting here is to get rid of that process altogether and allow for himself to use his own authority to install those appointees without the senate having any votes at all. in order to do that he needs to get the senate and house to agree to go on these extended recesses. since 2007, the senate has not been going on those recesses because they started to deny the ability to bypass them, taking away power from the senate, they said they don't want presidents to do that but now trump is telling these senate majority leader candidates, saying you need to do this because i have to get my nominees in place very quickly and what we have seen

from these candidates running to be some of the most powerful people in washington, the next senate majority leader, they are saying they are fine with that, anderson, that they will defer power to the president-elect and allow him to do essentially what he wants in the confirmation process. so, we will see how this ultimately pans out and if there is any pushback from other republican senators, because they will be giving up significant amounts of authority, simply to allow the president to put in place whoever he wants. >> it is pretty incredible. so, there would be no embarrassing hearings, essentially, where a candidate would be questioned by democrats or republicans about their past positions, about their qualifications, there would be none of that, is that what you were saying? >> yeah. that is exactly what he is saying. it's not entirely clear that is the extent to which he would go through this, and that is exactly what he is saying in his tweet which you just read, he didn't really get into the weeds of that, but potentially, he could do that if he is

talking about amply appointing someone through a recess appointment without going through that process and anderson, that is exactly what the vetting process is for. if they find red flags through the process, that is when senators vote no, they will scuttle the nomination. anderson, also, donald trump will have at least 52 seats in the senate, he could have 53 depending on how the pennsylvania senate race turns out. he will probably already get most of his nominees confirmed, except for maybe a few that may trip up the confirmation process but what he is saying here is that he doesn't want to go through any of that and just want to get his nominees in place and let the senate watch them do it. >> thank you very much. ashley etienne who worked for vice president harris and doug hyde, was of the republic national committee. doug, what do you make of this? what is a rational , real or clinician for why the president-elect would preventively demand the senate prepared to step aside and let him use these recess appointments but he says it is

for speed. is that all there is to this? >> i think that most of what it is, it is for speed, because as this process does get slow down, we learn more about a lot of these candidates, and quite often they don't get confirmed, because there are various problems that come up and we have seen that in republican administered, democratic administrations, have worked in the united states senate and worked on hearings and confirmation processes and superior supreme court confirmations, it is a very long process, but it also depends on who you nominate. so, we know that marco rubio now looks to be the pick for secretary of state yes, he would have a vetting process. is probably going to be not as much of one, even though it is a very important position, because he is a member of the club, he is a member of the senate, they typically go through, i think the last century didn't go through was senator john tower back in the 1980s or early 90s i believe. so it is a rare thing to do. donald trump wants as much power as he can get, that is not a surprise to anybody. what

we have seen in recent years, and this certainly predates donald trump is that the house and the senate, both, have willingly ceded power from the legislative branch to the executive branch, and anderson, you start talking about this branch versus that branch, you get into political nerd talk very quickly, but this has been generations of this happening, that is why the president, whether that is donald trump or joe biden or anybody else has a lot more power today , or come january 20th, then they have had in the past, and that continues and continues. >> ashley, what you make of this idea? >> i actually think it is quite smart, with what president trump is suggesting, here is the real reality . no matter who becomes the senate leader, they will have to strike a balance between being loyal to donald trump and protecting the interests of the institution and the majority. it is all about maintaining the majority. how that leader does that will be interesting. so, when we sink about nominees, here is how it could play out. to your point, the benefit of the recess appointments is , his

nominees don't have to go through public scrutiny, media vetting, all those things, but it also protects some of those outliers in the senate that will be up for re-election. senator collins, murkowski, and cassidy, for example . some of those members will be in very tough spots, so it might work to their advantage to not have to take some of these tough votes on some of these contemptible people who donald trump could put in these cabinet secretary positions . white nationalists, conspiracy theorists, it protects them from having to take those tough votes and actually protects the senate and republican majority but i think it is a smart move. >> smart, but doesn't it mean things like ethics , ethical breaches, things like that -- >> what does any of that matter post trump? you know what i mean? none of that matters

anymore and especially not in the senate where the senate will be loyal to the president, they will put his interest before anyone else's, and even that of the country, and that has nothing to do with ethics. it has everything to do with what donald trump once. >> in terms of core support is what is it look like for trump? >> the way that you can see the course senate to support him is that they endorse him in the primary, you go back to 2016, there was one republican senator who endorsed donald trump, that was jeff sessions, who eventually donald trump got rid of, compared to this time around, right? in the 2024 primary, how many republicans endorsed trump during the primary season? north of 30. the clear majority of republicans but if last time around, senate republic and tolerated donald trump, this time they love him. they will do collectively basically anything he wants and what we are hearing tonight is exactly that. >> given the gop's sweeping victories are there many republicans who have to worry about aligning themselves too closely? >> no way, man. you go back again and make the comparison between the 2016 and 2024

primary, back in the 2016 primary season about 60% of republican senators were from states that donald trump won during the primary season. this time around it is 100%. there is no problem with republicans aligning themselves with trump, and more than that in terms of the general election, i think only susan collins is the one republican from a state that donald trump won in a general election, so republican senators want to align themselves with trump, they love him and the voters love him. >> ashley, republicans in the senate or the house, there is no incentive to really push back on any incoming president, on anything at this point. >> you are absolutely right. that is why democrats are so devastated, and we are all mildly depressed, myself included, because the win on tuesday was so sweeping that they have carte blanche to do whatever they want to do right now and it is a depressing state for us to be in, and for the country to be in. >> i appreciate all of you being with us. still ahead, at long last

the conviction in the double murder of two teenage girls in indiana. how cell phone video recorded by one of the teens helped convict her killer.

breaking news tonight, the "new york times" is reporting that the president-elect is expected to name senator marco rubio of florida as his secretary of state but the times citing three people familiar with his thinking. the paper reported that mr. trump could still change his mind at

the last minute but appears to have centered settled on senator rubio. now to indiana, in the verdict this afternoon of what became nationally known as the delphi murder cases. two teenage girls, just 13 and 14 years old were found dead in part to this cell phone video that was reported by one of the teens who was murdered. he went on trial and was found guilty today of two counts of murder and two counts of felony murder. >> reporter: feathery 13th, 2017, two young girls go missing in delphi, indiana. 13-year-old abigail, abby williams and 14-year-old liberty, libby german. they disappeared after going for a hike on the bridge. the next day, a gruesome scene was discovered in the woods. >> this is considered a double homicide investigation. >> reporter: the girls bodies were found partially covered by sticks, less than one mile from the bridge where they were last seen. their fruits had been

cut. on libby's cell phone, investigators discovered video of a man, a major clue to who killed the girls. libby just happened to capture captured in the frame. the man became known as bridge guy because he was on the bridge at the time the girls disappeared. on the video, the man's muffled voice says guys, down the hill. >> a few days after the murders, delphi resident richard allen put himself at the scene telling police he had been on the trail at the time, and saw three girls. his name and his tip sat untouched for five years . in 2022, a volunteer receptionist came across allen's tip and noticed the time he said he was on the trail matched the time the girls were thought to have disappeared. that quick thinking receptionist alerted the detective in charge. >> we really thought, there wouldn't be any answers. >> reporter: the carroll county

sheriff leader said despite the tip, alan got lost in the cracks. turns out he never left town. allen was working at a local cvs pharmacy. investigators matched and unused shell casings found at the scene to a gun at ellen's home and charged him with the girls murders. >> today is not a day to celebrate. but, the arrest of richard m allen of delphi with two counts of murder is a major step in leading to the conclusion of this long, complex investigation. >> reporter: in court, cnn affiliate wlfi showed a pathologist testified about the wounds, saying that it likely took 5 to 10 minutes for libby to bleed to death. the girls had not been sexually assaulted, the expert said. and indiana state police detective assigned to the case testified

that allen had confessed to the murders more than 60 times while in prison awaiting trial. at one point, he said, a white van scared him off, so he did not sexually assault the girls. a prison psychologist testified that in his cell, alan had attempted to beat his head into the wall and was consuming his own feces. she noted he was suicidal. the defense zeroed in on that in an attempt to show allen confessed only because he was losing his grip on reality in isolation. in their closing argument, prosecutors noted that libby german always said she wanted to help police solve crimes. in the end, with that cell phone video of bridge guy, she helped solve her own. >> that is so awful. what comes next? >> anderson, richard allen will be sentenced on december 20th and he is facing up to 130 years behind bars, but still, even as that verdict was read, our affiliate reports that he sat motionless. in terms of the evidence, anderson, there was a lot of testimony about those 60

confessions that he gave while he was in prison awaiting trial . the jury actually got to hear some of those confessions , and that was pretty powerful. then there was also this one eyewitness who testified that she had seen a man on trails, on the bridge, and she said that he was muddy and bloodied and that is something that seemed to play well with the jury as well, anderson. >> it is incredible to me that they had this account, and it was a receptionist who was going over this case who discovered it. >> yeah, it's that cold for five years, and he had put himself in the middle of this case as we said. he went to the police, and he told them that he was on the trail, so they would look at anybody coming any instigation, anyone who comes forward they will look at. >> that's it for us, the news continues. i will see you tomorrow. the source with caitlin:start now.