specifically an election for a new leader and it is really important that as this party, the democratic party, tries to rebuild and win the midterms and win the presidential in 2028 that we do some introspection. there were so many people who after joe biden's disastrous debate performance said that he should stay in the race despite all of the evidence to the contrary with the voters and what we saw with our own eyes and heard with our own ears and the next person to lead that organization, the dnc, should not be one of those people who had the bad judgment to defend him staying in the race because it would have had even more disastrous consequences than earlier this week. >> costco has been forced to recall 80,000 pounds of butter. why? the ingredients list didn't say it contained milk. so the fda in all its genius stepped in and forced a recall. my hot take tonight is when did america become this stupid? >>

>> foure. >> i've been a writer for 30 years and still don't know how to use a semicolon. it doesn't make sense. can we get rid of it. >> thank you for watching news night. good evening, thanks for joining us, we begin with breaking news. the florida elect president has not asked mike wallace to be his national security advisor. a national

marine combat veteran who chairs the subcommittee on readiness. named earlier today, former congressman lee development to run the environmental protection agency, the epa. candidate trump campaign against electric wind vehicles and to go against ev's. the environmental advocacy group says, as a congressman , zeldin supported what they call proenvironment built 15% of the time. over the weekend, the president-elect, named tom homan its borders are . he served in the first trump administration and was a strong supporter of the administration's family separation policy. earlier this year, at a conservative conference in washington, he vowed that if chosen, he would quote, run the biggest deportation operation this country has ever seen. regarding the possibility to some of those facing deportation may have children born in this country, where they are american citizens. here's what he told cbs

news's affiliate makeup. >> is there a way to carry out mass deportation without separating families? >> of course there is. families can be deported together. >> homan will be joined in the deportation effort by stephen miller , who the president-elect is expected to name as one of his deputy chief of staff. miller was an architect to the first trump family separation policy. at last month's's madison square garden rally , he was upfront about what had been called he is america first youth. >> was going to stand up and say, the cartels are gone of the criminal migrants are gone, the migrants are gone? america is for americans and americans only? >> also today, the president-elect named elise sefanik to be his national ambassador. she replaced liz

cheney as republican conference chair. no doubt, more picks to come in the days ahead, not to mention the jockeying at mar-a-lago. kaitlan collins is live with that in the breaking news. let's talk more about the president-elect's choice of national security advisor. >> this is obviously a critical one, anderson, given everything going on in the world . the national security advisor's portfolio is often wide, dealing with whatever crisis arises at the time your jake sullivan , biden's national security advisor, has been dealing with russia's war in ukraine and now israel in gaza. those will likely be crises that waltz will inherit . avidly, he will follow in line of what we saw donald trump have his first term in office, starting with mike flynn, ending with o'brien. trump had fallings out with him including john bolton , now one of donald trump's biggest critics , and did not vote for him in the 2024 election . mike walter is

a congressman from florida, a defender of donald trump's . he's actually the first green beret to ever serve in congress. he's bringing that a clearance from the house armed services committee chair with him indisposition. that will be something that is critical as you are watching all of this take place. as he is indisposition , i will say, he is the one that back donald trump's efforts to overturn the election in 2020. when you look at it from a foreign policy perspective, which is what he will be weighing in on with donald trump in office, he certainly has more of a mike pompeo sense of the world that may be a j.d. vance america first policy. that is something we will be watching closely to which ideology wins out when trump is actually in office. >> how much influence the stephen miller, or is stephen miller expected to have as deputy chief of staff for policy, particularly for immigration? he was obviously a key player in the horse first

administration? >> i would expect him to have a lot of influence in the trump term, he certainly had it the first time. he often minimized or downplayed his role in the advice he gave to trump. he was not someone that would really disagree with trump in meetings on policy, but often with the to him in the oval office, or pulled him aside, and make his views clear . he did a lot of speechwriting for trump in his first term. often, what you would hear from trump's mouth when he was speaking at white house events , those were stephen miller's words he would put there. they are closely aligned on policy . from what i have heard this time around, now that he will be a deputy chief of staff, elevating him in the role he had last time , i would expect him to have a lot of say so. he is someone that stuck by donald trump's side after a lot of people left january 6th and when he lost the 2020 election , he was someone who was there, often defending him on television, certainly traveling

with him and has remained closely aligned as someone who is expected to be a very influential voice on the mass deportation pledge trump has promised this time around and someone that family separation policy that got so much backlash from the trump administration the last time around him he has still defended that policy, arguing instead if it had only remained in place longer , it would have worked. >> what is your sense of jockeying among trap allies at mar-a-lago? last time , we were saying they were kind of everywhere, not just mar-a-lago, but hotels all around, trying to get some face time for face time with somebody who has faced time . >> it was kind of a free for all, as it typically is with trump around. it has been more streamlined, mostly during the day when trump has been sitting down with his transition team, going through the names of candidates, but trump is on the phone, seeing get at mar-a-lago and has had those interactions . there is this moment where he seems to decide on someone for one job and at the last minute

, changes it to another, or someone falls out of contention and are brought back into the fold. it is a bit of a juggling act in the sense of even people we are speaking to don't always know who is ahead or will get the nod. sometimes, they are surprised by reporting that we have to go out on who gets the job. it is very much still a jockeying in a sense behind-the-scenes. some sitting at home may say, that is staffing, not important. in a trump lighthouse, staffing is everything and certainly this time around , it will be even more so, because he said, it was one of his mistakes his first time around. >> be sure to stay tuned for opens ", the source." national control council represents border agents and staff. joining us now, lift our voices cofounder gretchen carson , and matt hours, who served in the first trump administration. gretchen, i'm not sure how many people remember stephen

miller from the first trump administration, but he has been a big figure in the immigration policy. >> and also what i am sure caitlin knows, but did not mention, he is a member of the muslim travel ban, also controversial . to her point, we saw this with susie wiles, who he named chief of staff . these are people who have stuck with him through thick and thin, especially in the dark days in 2020 when he lost the election , and a lot of people left his side. what is very important about stephen miller is that, he has never gone astray from his strong stance on immigration. i think with these pigs, as well as with tom homan, former acting director of i.c.e., i think that trump is going full force ahead with the mass rotations. the other day you asked, how is that going to happen? we are getting more information on that now. the military may build detention centers to house the immigrations. stephen miller was on the record saying, they may put them on empty land in

texas, near the border. they will no doubt use the national guard to help in these efforts, and they will also penalize sanctuary cities who may not help them in their states to be able to do this by taking away federal funding. there is something called the justice assistance grant , that gives $250 million annually to state and local governments . they may say, no more of that if you do not help us with this mass deportation. >> nobody can say, trump did not say, that is what they wanted to do. there were signs at the republican convention, not just hand crawled signs, signs that they printed out with mass deportations . >> this reminds me of 2016 when he ran, promising he would appoint conservative supreme court justices, and he did. this time, he ran promising mass deportations, and from these appointments , seems like he is going to deliver . anybody that thought this would be a more unifying, a softer, year, warmer trump who would

perhaps want a second chance to be president of all americans is waking up this morning and realizing that that is not going to happen . i think there is a lot of fear , certainly a lot of fear among the immigrant community, a lot of fear amongst dreamers , and i think their fear is well-founded. look, mass deportations means a lot more than just criminals . right? i don't know anybody who is against immigrants who come here and committed crimes . by committed crimes, i don't mean crossing the border. i mean , crimes that would be crimes, regardless of whether they were committed by u.s. citizens or immigrants . i don't know anyone against those people being the exported

deported. if you are talking about mass deportations and i think they are describing, it will go much deeper. it is going to meet your friends, colleagues, and relatives, and the children go to school with your children. it is going to meet people who do essential work in the united states that nobody else wants to work, backbreaking work, disgusting work like killing chickens. disgusting work like working in a dairy farm . that is what it is going to mean . i don't know what that means for the economy, but folks are about to find out. >> stephen miller was talking about building up to 1 million people deported a year . a lot of folks have looked at him and said, that goes way beyond just people, to ana's point, people who have committed a crime once they are here in the country . do you think that-- it had a lot of blowback last time, do you think people are more accepting of it this time? >> i do. i have known stephen miller a long time. even those who disagree with him on policy

, will acknowledge he is a smart guy. he knows the subject matter, you can get the minutia of knowing how to enact these policies. there is no surprise donald trump would choose him, along with tom holliman to implement what he was talking about on the campaign trail. president trump has even said, they would prioritize drug dealers, those that have convicted of crimes, those that are connected to criminal gang activity. to your question, anderson americans are living the real world impact every single day over the fact that there are over i think it is 50 million illegal immigrants who come across the border and they see the impact in their own communities whether it is the crowding in schools, pulling on the welfare net social security, health benefits and the rest of it, hospitals and emergency rooms being crowded. americans, because they have been living it so much, not just on the border anymore. a lot of folks were criticizing ron desantis and greg abbott for what they did to me saying , if this is going to be a texas and florida challenge, it has to be an america challenge,

and started putting those on buses in new york city. those in new york city are seeing the impact as well with overcrowding of school and stretches on local benefits. i do think the local american people are saying, this is a large part of why donald trump had been elected. >> when will be deportations begin? >> as president trump said, they begin on inauguration day, as soon as he takes the oath of office. >> to matt's point, thus ending the busing of people who had crossed over by some of the border states, by some of the governors there and some mayors , that was roundly criticized by democrats and others. it was very effective, in terms of matt saying , waking up people in a lot of other states, what states on the border were facing. whether you think it is waking up to, or just people seeing this, not liking it in

their city , it certainly had a huge impact. >> it was, it was very effective. apparently also accusing patients of eating dogs and cats , and accusing venezuelans of having taken over aurora, colorado , and all the things he said were very effective in driving fear into the hearts of americans , and then driving them to the polls. the problem is, anderson, people talk about the cost of immigration, and they don't want to talk about the benefits of immigration. if you think-- there is a lot of people who say, they voted because of the price of eggs. if you think eggs are expensive now, go do a raid in a poultry farm in gainesville, georgia , or arkansas, and then we will talk about the price of eggs. >> we got to take a quick . coming up, two names that have been exclusively ruled out of the new administration.

also, elon musk at mar-a-lago. the president weighing in on hiring. we will talk to a tech that has known musk for years. a video of two young girls played a part in what one of the young girls knew of her killer.

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again, breaking news tonight , the choice of mike waltz to be the next national security advisor comes after many sidebars, including this invitation on social media over the weekend, i will not be inviting ambassador nikki haley or former secretary of state pompeo to the white house. i

enjoyed working with them previously, i would like to thank them for their service to our country. back now with the panel. it is so interesting, the idea that maybe there would have been an olive branch, nikki haley volunteered to campaign for him, but she committed the ultimate sin, running against him in the primary . >> and saying the things she said about him, telling the truth about him during that time. that was quintessential trump, putting that post out . it made it seem like mike pompeo and nikki haley had asked for a position in the administration. maybe, probably not . nikki haley is going to run for president again in 2028. i believe that is why she was forced to endorse trump, because she needs his maga base if she wants to have a future political career . not surprised at all, neither of them need-- >> gretchen, gretchen, gretchen

. she was not forced to do anything. she is a grown ass woman, known for her political ambition . kamala harris lost an election, nikki haley has lost every modicum of dignity, because after first criticizing him , then she took it back, then, she ran against him me then she endorsed him, that she practically begged him to let her campaign with him. now, he is saying , bye felicia . it truly is, i find it incredibly embarrassing , a woman who had such a bright future, was one of the rising stars in the republican party . i think what trump is making evident through this tweet is that he wants loyalty , 100% loyalty from everybody he appoints, and that he wants maga people, not neocons, not people considered foreign policy hawks, which i think both pompeo and haley, and marco rubio. >> what you think of lee zeldin

being named epa administrator? >> look, i think it is a good choice. certainly, if 2016 and the transition was like a shotgun wedding , this one, he has had a long-term engagement. none of the people he is choosing are strangers. these are people donald trump nose. he has known lee zeldin for a long time. i have seen him campaign with him. i am not surprised congressman zeldin ended up in the administration . and i think it's actually speaks to the other nominations and other appointments he has already made . these are all people, while you can disagree with one policy, are imminently qualified for this position . there is no one here that does not pass a litmus test for pedigree, but also happen to be people donald trump trust. you need that, i don't care what administration it is. if the president of the united states does not have trust in his cabinet, they cannot function . last time, he did not have that relationship with cabinet secretaries . not that folks

can't push back . i have heard plenty of stories and heard it firsthand when someone disagrees with donald trump , as long as it is done in a way that is constructive and he usually receives it pretty well. >> also a big difference this year, everybody that he has named so far has been in government in one shape or another , so they, the level of experience of knowing how to do things that in 2016 , he had a bunch of rich people who had never been in government. this is a completely different-- >> speaking of rich people, he has elon musk now. musk wrote on s x about elise sefanik. it might be too dicey to lose her from the house, at least for now. it is fascinating to me that he is weighing in on kind of a granular level publicly about this , about rick scott in florida. >> we said the other night on

this show, i think he will be the most influential advisor to donald trump. it depends on how long they left together, because they both have huge egos. with regards to elise sefanik, she was a moderate republic republican when first elected 10 years ago . >> a trap republican. >> she was not. she has become hard maga in the last four years . i think she really made her mark for the ambassador job with the u.n., which she was so incredibly forceful with college presidents came to testify before the house committee about the campus protest, about the israeli-gaza war . two of those presidents resigned after they were questioned in part by elise sefanik . she has been also a very staunch critic of the u.n. it will be very interesting to see her, i think, in that role. >> it is interesting to think kamala harris and was promised a role in the cabinet and donald trump is imposing litmus test on loyalty to him , and

loyalty to the ideology , for lack of a better term , that he espouses. >> i was a real quick, if i could answer that , i think every president expects most of their cabinet to be very loyal to him and what the american people voted for. it is not all that different than what was presidents ask of their cabinet members. i will say one thing on elon musk too me this actually is a good thing for donald trump . he is bringing in advisors from outside, will keep private sector advisors . elon musk has now been relied on by nasa to get astronauts out of space to be able to actually run a number of the functions of the u.s. government that they have been unable to do. we are already seeing how elon musk is stepping up with starling and ukraine. i think this is a good thing . it shows outside ideas, and ultimately, despite the fact that yes, everyone so far has government experience, you

need to keep outside perspective in order to actually deliver on the mandate he has been voted in for. >> melodia is not coming to the white house meeting on thursday, i wonder if elon musk is coming instead. how strong are the political lines between elon musk and president-elect? journalist karen swisher joined me next.

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newly released video we want to show you now of elon musk in mar-a-lago, his family mixing with trump's family. >> we have to get the lawn with his boy. >> the video was released today by one the president-elect's granddaughters on her blog . she writes, elon achieving

uncle status, as kaitlan collins reported earlier, most reporters say, musk has been at mar-a-lago since donald trump has won, on calls with at least two liters. joined by longtime colonists karen swisher, also cohost of the "pivot" podcast. karen , by most accounts, elon has been spending a lot of time at mar-a-lago , seems to be camped out there since president-elect trump won. what you think of their alliance? >> it is like that movie with richard dreyfus and bill murray, i think it is called "where's bob?" he has come for the weekend and is not leaving. he came as a guest for the election. >> you said, you don't expect this alliance to end well, why not? >> i think the problem, we have two very narcissistic people that like being dominant. there can only be one, as they say in

highlander. that would be president-elect donald trump, not elon musk, even if he is the world's richest man. >> what is in it for musk? obviously, the attention, which he seems to like me but also government contracts . his business relies a lot on u.s. government . >> yeah, he already had those . i think it is $15 billion or some number. the government stepped in to save tesla when it was in trouble by giving it a loan . i remember when he got the first face contract, he called me because he was delighted that he was sort of beating up on the old guard, like the lucky, and everybody else, and the owing. that is the exciting part. the not so exciting part is, this feels like capitalism. like he is hanging out at the manor with the boss , and he will get extras for it. i think a lot of people are worried, including people who compete with him. he has gotten this definitive advantage that seems a little strange. >> you bring up people competing with him . i was

thinking about jeff bezos, sam altman , people over at open a.i. , which i guess they have had a falling out , i don't know the status of their current relationship. what does it mean for them? >> certain status is complicated, but it is not good. he has attacked and sued open a.i. in accusations against sam altman . if you are open , you've got to be worried. if you are read, a big backer of kamala harris, you've got to be worried . you don't know what they can do. the uncertainty is the problem. you certainly have to the up to the trump administration, because this is the administration that operates in a very transactional way. elon understands that. he also wants influence for his various ideas about reforming the government, which i think he will run into a buzz saw of more difficulty than just busting people around. he has a tendency to

wander into a company and kick all the trash cans and scare people. that is is thing. i don't think it is particularly helpful when it comes to government. you can't blow up rockets every day, you can't do that. >> musk owns twitter, there was talk on some sort of merging, do you think that is real? >> well, it would be an interesting thing. first of all, truth social has no business to speak of, i think my podcast makes 7 to 10 times more than they do. they are not profitable and are losing subscribers. the same thing with twitter, the evaluation has been down considerable . he's not using it as a business, is using it as influence and propaganda vehicle. that is why he bought it, it hardly matters what he paid for it because he is so rich. i think merging would be interesting, taking it public and it being kind of a meme stock, you can take two broken

business models and put them together and still do well in the stock market. that would give a lot of money to donald trump, that is for sure. and elon can monetize this thing. he has all of these bands. you can see it. they are not businesses, though, just be clear. they are terrible, terrible businesses. >> do you have any sense of why elon musk has gone down his conspiracy rabbit hole ? at some point a couple of weeks ago, he was posting things about qanon, promoting qanon ? >> i don't know. anderson, i talked to him all the time , i used to talk to him all the time, until he blew up. that is an experience i share with a lot of people. they were very close to him, now they aren't. then, there is the enablers that stick with him, because they will get while the getting is good . why not attach yourself to this guy who is so rich? i don't know, we had a very unusual interview. six or eight, something like that. one of the last ones was doing covid and i felt a shift that was rather significant. he was

obsessed with the deep state, the government of california was keeping him from his thing. he had a very dramatic idea about his company, which at one point he told me, if tesla did not survive, humanity was doomed. okay, sure . it was hard, and i thought, was he kidding ? i did not think he was kidding actually at the time. he got very attached to the idea that he was a savior. >> karen swisher, thank you so much. coming up, a verdict in a murder trial that gained national attention after two teenage girls in indiana were found in the woods dead in 2017. how the crucial video you see, this video me from a cell phone of one of the victims led to today's conviction.

a fight over senate confirmation of appointees have become an early test of loyalty to the president elect . the president-elect and demanded successor to mitch mcconnell allow recess appointments . this would let him bypass the senate confirmation process and install anyone he wants in government, including those who might be not be able to win support, even in a republican-led senate. on sunday he tweeted, any republican senator seeking the coveted position of the united states senate , must agree to recess appointments in the senate, without which, we would not be able to get people confirmed in a timely manner. sometimes, votes could take two years or more. this is what they did four years ago and we cannot let it happen again. we need put his positions field immediately. this is kind of in the weeds for some people. can you explain , what a recess appointment is for me and if there is any president

precedents for what president trump is demanding? >> there's really not a precedents, especially if he tries to push through a whole slew of nominees, especially by passing the bill of the united states. the bypass consent is a constitutional authority given to senators as they way the president's picks for his executive branch appointments. typically, that process takes a lot of time. it requires bedding, a background check, both in the committee, both on the senate floor . could take about a few minutes, a few months to go through that process . what donald trump is proposing, simply get rid of that process altogether and allow for himself to use his own authority to install those in appointees without the senate having any votes at all. in order to do that, he needs to get the senate and house to agree to one these extended recesses. since 2007, the senate has not been going on those recesses, because they have sort of denied president the ability to bypass, take away power from the president.

now, trump is telling the senate majority leader candidate saying, you need to do this, because i have to get my nominees in place very quickly. what we have seen from these candidates wanting to be the most powerful people in washington, to be the next senate majority leader, they are saying, they are fine with that, anderson, they will defer power to the president-elect and allow him to do essentially what he wants in the confirmation process. we will see how this pans out and if there is any pushback from other republican senators . they will be giving a significant amount of authority that would simply allow the president to put in place whoever he wants. >> it is pretty incredible . there would be no embarrassing hearings, essentially, where a candidate would be questioned by democrats or republicans about their past positions, about their qualifications , there would be none of that, is that what you are saying ? >> yeah, that is exactly what he is saying. it is not

entirely clear if that is the extent to which he would go through this, but if that is exactly what he is saying through the sweet , we did not really get through the weeds of that. potentially, he could do that if talking about appointing someone through a resource appointment, not going through that process. that is exactly what the vetting process is for. if they find red flags, that is when senators will vote, no and scuttle a nomination. donald trump will have at least 52 seats in the senate, could have 53, depending on how the pennsylvania senate race turns out. he will probably already get most of his nominees confirmed to me except for a few that will run into trip up during the confirmation process. what he is saying, he does not want to go through any of that, just hit his nominees in place and let the senate watch him do it. >> now to ashley ntn, who worked for vice president harris , at the republican national committee. what do you make of this, doug ? what is a

rational explanation, i mean a real explanation for why the president-elect would preemptively demand the senate to aside and let him use these recess appointments ? he says, it is for speed, is that all it is? >> i think that is what most of it is. as this process doesn't slow down, we learn a lot about these candidates . quite often, they don't get confirmed, because there are various problems that come up. we have seen that in the republican administration, democratic administration. i have worked in the united states senate and worked on hearings, confirmation processes, the frequent confirmations . it is a very long process, but also it depends on who you nominate. we know marco rubio now looks to be the pick for secretary of state. he would have a vetting process. it will probably not be as much of one, even though it is a important position, because he is a member of the club. i think the last senator

that did not go through with senator john tower back in the 1980s or early 1990s, i believe. it is a very rare thing to do. donald trump wants as much power as he can get here that is not a surprise to anybody . what we have seen in recent years, and this certainly predates donald trump, the house and senate have willingly ceded power from the executive branch. i know when we start talking about this branch versus that branch, you get political nerd talk very quickly. this has been generations of this happening , that is why the president, whether it is donald trump, joe biden, or anybody else , has a lot of power today, or come january 20th, then they have had in the past. and that just continues. >> ashley , what do you make of this idea? >> i actually think it is quite smart with what president-elect donald trump is suggesting. here's the reality . no matter who becomes the senate leader me they would have to strike a balance between one being loyal

to donald trump and protecting the interest of the institution and the majority. it is all about maintaining the majority. so, how that leader does that will be interesting. when we think about nominees, here is how it could play out to your point . the benefit of the recess appointments, his nominees do not have to go through public scrutiny, immediate vetting, all of those things. it also protects some of those outliers in the senate that will be up for reelection. senator collins, murkowski, and cassidy for example. some of those candidates will be in a tough spot. it might work to their advantage to not have to take some of these tough votes on some of these sort of contemptible people who donald trump could put in these cabinet secretary positions from white nationalists, to conspiracy theories, it protects them from having to take those tough votes and protects the senate and republican majority. i think it is a smart move. >> smart, but does it mean is

like ethics, ethical breaches, things like that? >> what does it matter post trump? a trump white house? none of it matters anymore, especially in the senate where the senate will not be loyal to the president. they will put his interest before those in the country. that has nothing to do with ethics and everything to do with what donald trump wants. >> in terms of core trump supporters, what does the senate look like? >> senate republicans, the way you can see the course in it support for him, they endorsed him in the primary. you go back to 20/60 2016, there was one republican that endorsed donald trump, jeff sessions. donald trump got tired and got rid of him. compared to this time around, the 2024 primary, how many republicans endorsed trump? north of 30. if last time the republicans tolerated donald trump, this time they love him. they will let him do basically anything he wants. what we are hearing is exactly that.

>> and given that gop sleeping victories, are there many republicans have to worry about too closely? >> no way, man . go back again and make the comparison between 2016 and 2024 primaries, in the 20 primary season, about 60% of republican senators wherefrom states that donald trump won, this time around, it is 100%. there is no problem with republicans lining themselves with trump. in terms of the general election, i think susie collins is the one republican from a state that donald trump won in the general election. republican senators want to align themselves with donald trump, they love him and their voters love him. >> republicans in the senate or for that matter the house, there is no incentive to push back on any incoming president on anything at this point. >> you are absolutely right. that is why democrats are so devastated and were all mildly depressed, me included, because the win and victory on tuesday was so sweeping, they sort of have carte blanche to do

whatever they want to do right now. it is kind of a depressing state to be in and for the country to be in, in fact. still ahead, a long-lasting conviction in the double murder of two teenage girls in indiana. their bodies vanished after a hike. how a cell phone video recorded by one of the victims helped find her killer.

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as secretary of state. citing three people with this thinking, the paper also reported mr. trump could still change his mind at the last minute, but appears to have settled on mr. rubio. more in the top of the hour. in indiana this afternoon, but became nationally known as the delphi murder cases, two teenage girls, 13 and 14 years old, were found dead in the woods in their town. the case was called for many years, and two years ago, this man was arrested, thanks in part to the cell phone video recorded by one of the teenagers who was murdered. the he went on trial and was found guilty today for 2 counts of murder and two counts of felony murder. >> reporter: february 13, 2017, two young girls go missing in delphi, indiana. 13-year-old abigail abby williams, and 14-year-old liberty libby german. they disappeared after going for a hike on the mann highbridge. the next day, a gruesome scene was discovered

in the woods. >> this is considered a double homicide investigation. >> reporter: the girls' bodies were found partially covered by sticks, less than a mile away from the bridge they were last seen. their throats had been cut . when libby's cell phone, investigators discovered video of a man, a major clue to build the girls. libby just happened to catch them in the frame. the man became known as bridge guy, because he was on the bridge at the time the girls disappeared. on that video, the mann's muffled voice says, guys, down the hill. a few days after the murders, delphi resident richard allen put himself at the scene , telling police he had been on the trail at that time and saw three girls. his name and his tip sat untouched for 5 years. in 2022, a volunteer receptionist came across allen's tip , and noticed the time he said he was on the trail matched the time the girls were thought to have disappeared. that quick thinking receptionist alerted the detective in charge.

>> we really thought there wasn't going to be any answers. >> reporter: the carroll county sheriff said to me despite the tip, allen got lost in the cracks . turns out, he had never lost left town, he was working at a local cvs pharmacy. investigators amassed an unused shell casings found at the scene to a gun in allen's home and charged him with the murders . >> today is not a day to celebrate , but the arrest of richard m. allen of delphi on two counts of murder is a step in the conclusion of this long-term, and complex investigation. >> reporter: in court, the in an affiliate wfli reports a pathologist testified about the girls wounds. saying, abby's throat wound was seven inches long and likely took five to 10 minutes to libby to bleed to death, according to affiliate. the girls had not been sexually assaulted, the expert said. an

indiana state police detective assigned to the case testified that allen had confessed to the murder of more than 60 times while in prison awaiting the trial. at one point, he said, a white man scared them off so he did not sexually assault the girls. a prison psychologist testified that in his cell, allen attempted to beat his head in the wall and was consuming his own feces . she noted, he was suicidal. the defense zero and that in an attempt to show allen confessed only because he was losing his grip on reality in isolation . in their closing argument, prosecutors noted that libby german had always said, she wanted to help police solve crimes. in the end, with that cell phone video of the bridge guy, she helped solve her own. >> so awful. what comes next? >> well, anderson , richard allen will be sentenced the 20th and he is facing up to 130 years bars . still, even as

that verdict was read, are affiliate reports, he sat there emotionless. in terms of evidence, there was a lot of testimony about those 60 confessions that he gave while he was in prison, awaiting trial. the jury actually got to hear some of those confessions. that was pretty powerful. there was also this one eyewitness who testified, she had seen a man on the trail, on the bridge, and she said that he was muddy and bloody , that was something that seemed to play well with the jury as well, anderson . >> it is incredible that they had this account , and it was a receptionist who was going over this case, who discovered it. >> yeah, and it sat cold for 5 years . and he had put himself in the middle of this case, as we said. he went to the police and he told them that he was on the trail. they would look at anyone in any investigation, anyone who comes forward, they will look at.