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transition is weighing action football fans. people shouted to put top generals under scrutiny and possibly recommend their firing. anti-somatic slurs as a firework was lit and a trolley good evening and thank you car went up in flames. three people were arrested. jewish for joining us. we begin with a faculty members at a university in upstate new york were lot of breaking news. the targeted by wanted posters over appointments are coming fast and furious. in the last hour the weekend. they criticized faculty members by their alleged response to the war in trump has chosen the defense gaza. officials say the point secretary and more. the defense of the posters were to secretary is pete, if confirmed he will oversee 2 million intimidate. some of what you will see is disturbing and may active duty and reserve forces, be difficult to watch. three quarters of 1 million civilian employees and a budget >> reporter: anti-semitism on of 300 billion. he is a full display in livingston decorated army comeback veteran county michigan. masked man as well as going to princeton waving flags and shouting and harvard. 20 minutes ago anti-somatic and racial slurs. >> they were sticking their arm another announcement, this one up and yelling hail hitler and involving a former campaign rival and elon musk to head a hill trump. it was sickening. new government apartment. >> reporter: at the time the legion was showing a theater

pretty from the statement, i am pleased to announce elon musk production of the diary of anne working in conjunction with a frank which tells the story of american patriot will lead the a jewish girl that hid from the department of government efficiency. together these two during the holocaust. one witness old affiliate the view wonderful americans will pave the way for my administration xyz that many people inside to dismantle government were so afraid that had to be bureaucracy, slash regulations, escorted to their cars. >> they had that much hatred in cut expenditures and more. this them, it makes no sense to me. he added will potentially become the manhattan project of >> deputies arrived on the scene in the detroit news reports the demonstrators left after they were told to vacate our time. this comes at the end the parking lot. the theater of the day that saw new reporting from the wall street company issued a statement journal potential moves by the president elect involving top saying in part the presence of military commanders. the protesters outside gave us a headline reads the top draft is small glimpse of the fear and uncertainty felt by those in hiding. a the border will create a >> it is no coincidence that board to purge generals. it this vile demonstration happened during a performance about this young girl whose story has come to epitomize a could raise concerns about kind of heroism in the face of evil. politicization of the military. the journal got a look at the draft which calls for the creation of a board of retired >> this is not the first time senior military personnel michigan has seen such hate. in empowered to review three and july white supremacists marched four star officers and through 40 miles northwest of

recommend removals of any detroit my thesis covered and deemed unfit for leadership. signs in hand, some shouting concluding as commander-in-chie f trump can fire any officer at hail hitler. five months before will but a outside order will that this was the scene in bypass the pentagon's regular nashville, tennessee. promotion system signaling across the military he intends to purge a number of generals as masked men marched through downtown nashville displaying and admirals. a spokeswoman did not comment on the draft order but she did say americans gave swastikas, this member of the house of representatives took notice. him a mandate to animate the >> they are literally having a promises he made on the campaign trail and he certainly march in downtown nashville, did promise action against white supremacist talking about certain generals. >> you see these generals lately on television. they are neo-nazi is him, deporting woke. we will get rid of them folks and racial hatred. >> the global jewish community so fast. we have the real is on high alert because anti-semitism is like a generals and the fake woke generals. the woke generals pandemic. it seems to be sweeping countries all over the should be fired immediately. we planet. will fire the woke generals. >> reporter: the >> are you going to fire the anti-defamation league tells us

since the october 7 attack on woke generals at the top? israel, there have been 10,000 >> yes i would get rid of them. incidents of harassment and violence against jewish people around the world. that is more >> the article cites to defense officials as identifying joint than a 200% increase over the chiefs chairman seek hugh period prior. there are growing junior as a potential target fears about anti-semitism in for the presidential elect. the city of amsterdam were in they spoke about the black frank hid in the attic for more than two years. in july statue lives movement and the effect of her was vandalized and the it had on him. this comes as word gaza splashed across it in red paint. just this past week fans of the israeli soccer team were attacked and what dutch authorities have condemned as a anti-somatic attack. before the they name more loyalists. match some is really fans tapping john radcliffe to run chanted anti-arab sentiments, the cia. he also chose south dakota governor christie known to be the secretary of homeland security and also named former arkansas governor mike huckabee his ambassador to israel. he is later pro-palestinian a hard-line supporter of israel protesters charged is really fans in what has been described which once denied the existence of palestine as a people. >> there really is no such as a hit-and-run attack. dozens thing and i have to be careful were injured and more than 60 saying this because people get people were arrested. really offended. there is no such thing as a palestinian. to >> randy joins us now, did the anti-defamation league say why they think there is a uptick in make the president-elect travels to washington tomorrow to meet with biden, also anti-somatic attacks? republicans having taking >> they did not say exactly why control of the chamber need to but they say it started well

decide who become the next before the october 7 attack on israel. they started to see majority leader. tonight things this shift in 2016 and in 2019 are moving fast. katelyn is near trump. how big of a anti-semitic incidents hit a record high and they have been going up every year since then. the ceo of the anti-defamation league told me today in the surprise is the new head of the last decade they have seen a 900% increase in incidence pentagon? >> it is a surprise in the sense that things are moving so involving harassment, violence, vandalism, targeting jewish quickly. pete is someone who people around the world. has long been on trump's next a preview from the new radar. he is i iraq war veteran episode from my podcast about and two bronze stars but he is grief all there is. my guest better known to the president son of christopher reed, he was elect from his stint as a fox news host. he cohosts on the 12 when his dad died and two years later his mom died of weekend. when trump was in the lung cancer. we talk about what office the first time he he calls his lung journey to debated with making him the grief. that is coming up. head of the department of veterans affairs though there were questions at the time whether or not he could get confirmed. he has no government

experience so that is something that is going to be a reaction we are seeing on capitol hill tonight. even some lawmakers not knowing who pete is. that is a big question tonight over what the confirmation process is going to look like. obviously he has been tapped to now lead what is the government august federal agency as you noted with a massive budget and millions of employees at the department of defense trump has made his choice and pete. similar to others we have seen, ardent defenders of his on fox news. he was just in that clip where they were questioning him about the woke generals, that was pete sitting closest to the camera. i have been talking to people, i heard his name a few hours ago from one source and i checked in with others who said that cannot be real, i had not heard that even 24 hours ago so that can give you some insight in how quickly this came together. which may not be entirely surprising given how the entire process has gone. >> you have been talking about elon musk and how he has been down there for a while now. what more are you learning about elon musk leading the department of government

efficiency? >> this is not a surprise, this is something elon musk was talking about out on the campaign trail for trump in pennsylvania over the last few weeks. i was at the madison square garden rally where he talked about it. they are calling it is the department of government efficiency. a new federal agency created would have to be approved by congress, there is not a sense that that is happening here but clearly what they are seeking to do is cut costs in federal spending and staffing inside the federal government. i think there are real questions about what that will look like. this says it is being led by elon musk. one question i have had over the last few weeks as we heard them talk about $1 trillion in cuts but when you look at how much money the federal government spent in the last fiscal year it is close to seven trillion dollars. over 5 trillion has gone to healthcare social security, veterans, so

if they are called cutting it trillion dollars they would not be able to without dipping into that. there is a real question on how all of this will work because obviously spending for agencies is approved by congress and the president not by outside groups and we have been told that elon musk is not joining the federal government per se. i still think there's a lot of questions over what this will exactly look like. elon musk has clearly had a lot of influence on the transition as he has been spending a lot of time in florida with trump. >> it is interesting they are calling it the department of government efficiency as if it is like the department of defense or department of interior, it is not going to be like that, it will be these two guys and whoever else. they will not go through any confirmation process are they? >> no, there is no confirmation because there is nothing to be nominated to. it is not an

actual government agency and i will leave it to others to talk about the irony of creating a government agency per se to cut down on government staffing and spending which is the goal here. i think this is a effort that should speak to the amount of influence that outside players will have on what the second trump term will look like when it comes to elon musk in this sense. this is long something he sought to do. trump pledged to cut federal spending when he was in office last time. that did not happen, the deficit went up so this is one of those wait and see what it looks like situations and how it plays out. >> governor christie known was just confirmed for trump's pick for department of homeland security secretary. that is a huge department. that seems surprising. >> i just want to tell you about this, we published this story at 1:00 in the morning last night. i learned she had been picked and trump called ♪♪ stay ahead of your moderate-to-severe eczema. and show off clearer skin and less itch with dupixent, the #1 prescribed biologic by dermatologists and allergists, that helps heal your skin from within. serious allergic reactions can occur that can be severe. tell your doctor about new or worsening eye problems such as eye pain or vision changes including blurred vision, joint aches and pain, her and told her she was his or a parasitic infection. don't change or stop asthma medicines without talking to your doctor. ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. on a all new episode of my podcast about grief is out now.

pick. most people take of that and they think immigration. the you can listen to it by pointing your phone's camera at the qr code. this week's guest is will read, the son of the late christopher reeve dhs is a huge agency that oversees fema, the coast guard, secret service, cyber security, it is a sprawling agency. it known for starring in the superman movies in the 70s and 80s. will was 12 when his father died of heart failure living nearly a decade paralyzed from the neck down after a riding accident. a year and half later his mom died of obviously has hundreds of thousands of employees, a huge lung cancer at 44. we started budget as well. some people i by talking about the loss of spoke to even in trump's orbit his dad. was shocked that that was the >> he was injured before my 3rd name he had gone with. there birthday so i got about nine years of him in a wheelchair was a lot of internal up for today. it was not clear in the statement trump without confirming she was his pick was but the love that my dad showed going to happen. i learned a while ago that she he was me the short time we had together sustained me until sticking by her. we talk about present day and probably way the confirmation process beyond. then he died a few because trump has 53 republican months after my 12th birthday. senators and it does not seem like it would be that difficult but there are questions for people like pete and kristi i remember walking into the know in these massive agencies, hospital and the first thing i saw was my dad in a room with a what kind of questions even

republican senators will have for them and their qualifications and their views of such huge posts in the bunch of doctors and nurses federal government. around him doing chest >> iq, be sure to turn into the compressions. somebody took me source. john bolton. here into a room and i could hear my tonight, garcia navarro, mom next door in the room with my dad wailing. then eventually republican strategist michael she quietly walked into the singleton and former room and told me that he was congressman adam. let me start gone and that i should come with you, your reaction to pete as president-elect trumps with her . we walk in and say choice for defense secretary? anything i might want to say to >> it depends, it is weird, him. she said he can still hear there is only one reason he is doing it because he is on fox you. i remember saying dad, i news and that is what trump picks based on. i know pete i have not talked to him much love you. and i will always do recently particularly prior to whatever i can to make you proud. then i walked out into the waiting room with all of my his life and fox news and he is really smart when it comes to family and thus began a great things like defense policy. i remember his last deployment to afghanistan he was putting out this newsletter he would do every week or so. killing folks

in. the question is, what kind long journey into grief. a of pete will show up? that one little over a year later my mom or the pete that is on fox news dies, did not smoke, i do not that tries to be loyal to trump think she drank much. yet there she is, with lung cancer. in and that is why he was picked. i want to make a quick point. march 2006 she died. i did not the entire reason it is called want to face it. that is so department of government efficiency and not a efficiencies are is because the acronym is the oge, like the final. i might have been young but i was not too young to know coin that is why they did it. how catastrophic that can be. that is how serious they are. it is signaling. that was. that was the low moment of my life. so far. >> yes, on the pentagon, can you put into perspective, how >> did you grieve? fast and complicated the >> no. i learned pretty quickly pentagon is and how difficult the department of defense is to actually run? that whenever i did not seem >> it is massively difficult like i was grieving people especially for somebody that does not have experience in running a organization like that. my prediction here is remarked how strong and adjusted and tough and etc. i they are putting pete up to really stir the pot, as you was. the stronger and happier i guys were talking about prior seemed the better i was to fired generals and bring the received. by the world around

culture wars the front and center. by the way there is me. people like to see that. it nothing wrong with changing the culture of the ot if you are makes them feel comfortable and saying we need to do better at safe. grief is weird and scary recruiting but when you turn into a culture war and make it more republican versus democrat and a little yucky. right? part it is dangerous for the ot. running a organization that is 850 alien with operations of what i learned as i tried to around the world, you better wrestle my own grief down to know what you're doing because otherwise you will get swallowed up in the size and understand it better bureaucracy. and have it served me rather >> paul, what you make of than fight me is you need to these? >> first, the government , push on the pain points. you actually very first, trump took the election and i do believe a have to work at it. you go to the gym to get strong, you read president should have a very wide berth. to put together the books to get smart. you have to cabinet they want and need to go to the dark places in your run the country. i mean that. i own way in order to bring light hope the senate will differ and i think they will. almost every new president gets almost there. the one thing that will everybody. there will be one that flames well. be destructive is if you ignore it and pretend it does not exist. the wound will be there, >> do you have any doubt that a republican-controlled senate is going to -- >> not much but 70 could find

out the hearings. nor the hole is there, whatever you theoretically should they but want to call it. however you as you are talking with adam, want to identify it. it is these are enormously permanent but that is okay. complicated department. because you can heal there and homeland security was stood up you can live a full and after 9/11 and a him a meaningful life with the wound. commission of multiple agency it does immigration counterterrorism, tsa, all >> you can listen to all of my conversation about grief with manner of things. this governor has no experience in any of those things, she is 1400 miles from the mexican border in south dakota. a great state i love it, her entire estate has will reeve, the new episode of my podcast all there is is now 8500 employees, she will now available wherever you get your manage 260,000. same with pete, podcasts. you can point your camera at the qr code on the screen now and click on the link that shows up. you can his service seems very check out our online great impressive, two bronze stars community at www.cnn.com. you but it is his first job in the can listen to all of the podcast, you can watch video government? running a agency versions of the interviews and with almost $1 trillion budget connect with others who are and 2 .8 million employees in grieving. you can also listen to voicemails from other and out of uniform if you add podcast listeners about their gardens reserve and civilians great experiences that are incredibly moving and you can watch the podcast on youtube as well. in active-duty and thousands of nuclear weapons. it is his prerogative it really is. >> ultimately the concern is,

are these the people you want running these very important agencies that deal with terrorism , our posture around the world, that oversee our nuclear arsenal? are these the people that are really going to take this responsibly or do they have to be learning on the job at a moment that is incredibly complicated and globally? what signal does it send to america's enemies? >> can i say a word about the department of government efficiency? first of all it seems like it will be part of the white house staff which is fine, the president is allowed to hire whoever he wants, it is not a government department as you said however there is a very boring and very important blog called the administrative was receivers act which governs how the government moves along in terms of changing how it works. it requires a lot of hoops to be jumped through. if you want to get rid of part of a department or change the

structure of the department of education or the department of the interior you have to go through all of these steps. like it or not, these two entrepreneurs are going to have to start learning that and following it and it is going to drive them crazy. we will see how much they actually do. there have been a lot of attempts to make the government more efficient, al gore did it. there was something called the grease report back in the reagan administration. it is a lot harder than it seems. >> what you make of the changes? >> i am open-minded about elon musk. i think we waste a significant amount of money in the government and i know there is a lot of criticism about how much should the federal government mimic private business or a publicly traded company, i think we need a little bit of it. we need to streamline. technology could

replace a significant amount of people. we have too much bureaucracy so i'm tree is to see if their advisement to the president, working in tandem with congress, could potentially improve some of those things. i take the point about the loss, that will make it difficult, they will have to work around that, i suspect they will. as it pertains to pete, harvard guy, princeton guy, 20 years military, two tours, i think you'll be fine. i was surprised about chrissy gnome, kate reported there was internal disagreement there. i would have preferred somebody with military background or intelligence background leading dhs. we will see how she will do in terms of being confirmed ultimately by the senate but everybody else i think the president-elect is moving in the right direction. i am really honing in on this government efficiency, we have to improve the way our federal government works. i think a lot

of presidents have tried and none have been successful. could they move the needle a little bit, that could be beneficial in terms of resources for the american people. >> we will take a quick break. tonight's reporting on a plan to set up a review board for u.s. generals and admirals. we visit one woman who attacked the capital and talks to people who have been praying for their release. to see if she expects to be released. we will be right back.

breaking news tonight, late neutron cabinet picks. he has named elon musk to head up a government cost-cutting office. called the government of government efficiency. we reported at the top of the program that the trump transition team considered a draft negative order to create a board to potentially purge generals from the military, what is your reaction? >> it is eerie and creepy and the thing is, this was a board that was going to be like, we want to get rid of generals that maybe do not have the trust of their troops or something along that line, that would be one thing but what it is actually going to be is basically culture war stuff.

again it is the important to point out there has been cultural stuff in the dod that has been acidic. it has hurt recruitment through there is nothing wrong with saying let's level the playing field and make sure the best people in the right spots because the dod frankly has a history of promoting the wrong people waste on what they do on their school work versus the trust of the troops but this sounds eerie and again it sounds like the focus will be more to make dod more republican instead of just more efficient and that is a huge concern because dod has got to stay a bipartisan agency. when this gets politicized it is dangerous. >> it is interesting, there was reporting in the past about trump being surprised that his generals are not pledging loyalty to him, they are not pledging loyalty to the country, they are pledging loyalty to the constitution, does the prospect of perching generals from the ranks, doesn't send the right message at this point?

>> if you're going to purge people i want to purge people because they are not performing at the levels they need to perform and adam alluded to this. i would not get caught up in the personality test. we have a recruitment issue in our military and we need to address it. i think the military needs to focus on things like and lethality. there is a ton of issues across the globe and some of the cultural issues we have seen introduced in the military have no place. i also agree with that and we do not want politics entering our theory, whether it is republican or democrat is irrelevant. readiness should be at the forefront, durability to do the job and do it well should be at the forefront so if you're going to purge individuals that are not meeting those metrics than i am for that. to make the unknown at this point is the attorney general. talk about the importance of that. >> the attorney general is unique because there is a dual row there. on one hand he or she is part of the cabinet and a advisor to the president. he or she will decide with the president i'll be spending more money to enforce the

border or spend more on fighting organized crime? those are policy issues. it is currently he, he also decides who to prosecute and that is a role that has been very separate from the president. there are in fact rules in effect. they are not laws but there are rules about whether the office of the president can communicate with the justice department about prosecuting individual people. what president trump has said is he wants those two roles to be one role. he wants to be in charge of who gets prosecuted. that is something unprecedented in modern american history. nixon tried to do it but it was one of the reasons he was forced from office. he was trying to politically manipulate who gets prosecuted. who gets taxes audited and that sort of thing. that is the real fear. if the

president-elect takes over the justice department deciding who gets prosecuted in the white house as opposed to the justice department, that would be something very new and scary. >> obviously with elon musk or any business person coming into the government there is always ethics concerns. obviously with the trump family there is. it does seem like elon musk is in a separate category in this administration. >> i think he is in a completely separate category. the conflicts of interest already are legion. he is a government contractor. he provides a enormous amount of things for the government right now so the fact that he will be going in and trying to cut people and departments that regulate him and his businesses is extremely problematic and let's look at his track record. what did he do a x? he guided the organization. it

remains to be seen what he does in the federal bureaucracy but let's not forget, trump came in and all of the republicans around him came in with a promise to basically cut the administrative state and get rid of government. this has been a long-standing goal of republicans and some republicans will say that is what is needed. radical change is a good but a lot of these people do not have the experience to know what they should be cutting or should not be cutting. these are not people with government experience so it begs the question, what are we going to be left with at the end of this? >> we are going to see a purity police everywhere. it is not simply conflicts of interest but who is loyal to the dear leader. >> we have seen by who he is putting in there. >> right and it is a one-way thing. some of these people pledging their fealty today likes many people dead last

years that used to work for them. they are weak leaders beyond that because they do not have experience so they will not be able to push back on things. >> you have been a washington figure for a long time, do you need a lot of experience to run the dod? >> it is a big deal. it is unspeakably large. so very big. you need a lot of different kinds of experiences. i really admire pete's military service but it also would have helped if he knew more about the government bureaucracy or capitol hill or international relations. almost all of these people i am ready to give them a fair shot, i am more worried about this reporting that everybody will be tested for their purity to the dear leader than i am about this nominee or that nominee. >> next the president-elect promised the generally six rioters the possibility of pardons, the question is, will he deliver? we check in with a why it or an grandmother who is convinced that trump will pardon her. my latest episode about grief just out, we will play

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in a new interview, marjorie kallikrein said trump should pardon all of the generally six rioters and believes he will. quoting her now a lot of these are ridiculous charges, they did not kill anybody, the only people that were killed were ashley babbitt and a few other testers that day. they did not kill anyone. for responders they responded that they later

died by suicide. a fit suffered a stroke and died of natural causes the day after responding. 1500 trump supporters were arrested for their role in the attack and are now waiting word from the presidential elect on what is likely to them the most important promise he made on the campaign trail. >> what is going to happen -- excuse me -- what is going to happen -- absolutely i would. if they are innocent i will pardon them. >> that was in july, a month earlier the campaign said he would consider pardons on january 6 fighters on a case-by-case basis. sullivan has more. >> today was amazing, i woke up and the rightful president of the united states is back in his spot, after 828 days, i am thinking about champagne and will raising a glass to president trump. >> this is the mother of ashley, the rioters shot and killed by capital police are generally six. >> we love you honey and we are so grateful. you bringing this

freedom family together. >> reporter: it is the night after the election, trump supporters have gathered here as they have every night for the last 800 nights outside of the washington dc jail. >> how did you feel when trump was victorious last night? >> i knew that meant freedom for our guys. i was overwhelmed. thankful. i know that god heard our prayers. >> were you emotional? >> yes. >> january 6 inmates call in to talk to the organizers nightly. >> it has finally come to the and with the election of our beloved president donald trump. >> i could not stop crying last night, you guys are finally going to get pardon. you're going to be set free and all of this is going to be behind us.

>> trump has repeatedly promised to get pardons to some people serving time for their actions on january 6. >> now we have to continue to put pressure on the president to make that right decision and fulfill that promise. i know that he will but i also know -- to make one person that certainly hopes for the pardon is rachel powell. >> what do you feel when you watch this? >> i am more numb when i look at this. it is surreal to me. look how angry i look. >> i met rachel in january of this year right before she was about to go to prison for crimes she committed at the capital on generally six. protesting what she believed was a stolen election. >> have you ever had a moment where you are like, maybe i am wrong? maybe biden actually took the election? maybe i am the conspiracy theorist? >> no. not at all. to make this

call is from a federal prison. >> rachel and i stayed in touch throughout the year. >> i feel like i just need to be home with my family. >> rachel has eight children ranging from 8-28 along with seven grandkids. we spoke to three of rachel's older daughters, rebecca and savannah. >> when was this taken? >> this is in the prison, this is our mom, my husband. >> the only thing i could think of when i heard trump took the election is my mom is coming home. we will have our mom back. >> you know she is freaking out. >> she is so excited. >> their mom was found guilty of engaging in physical violence and destruction of government property by breaking a window at the capital with a ice ax. >> did you ever think mom i

wish you did not go to washington dc that day? >> i feel like that is a normal thought to have when there is some the consequences to the actions but ultimately she was going to support something she believed in. she is our mother so we support her in whatever she decides to do. >> i do not blame her for going. i wish she held herself herself back a little bit. to make a little more restraint would be nice. >> you guys are not of the opinion that your mom went to washington dc chasing a conspiracy theory or a lie? >> no. she had a strong belief in she wanted to go support it and we all share her belief that it was definitely stolen in our opinions. >> you are certain he will pardon your mom? >> yes he will keep to what he said. he is going to pardon her. >> while we were at rachel's home she called from prison. >> when trump was victorious it was amazing. i knew that is what the american people wanted

so i had no doubt. as everybody knows i believe there was election fraud last time so i wondered , are we going to have a fair election this time? it appears that we did because trump got elected. >> do you think he will pardon you? >> i know he is going to pardon me. >> sullivan joins us now. along with the author of a forthcoming book. scheduled for release in february. what has the transition team said about pardoning the generally six people? >> they told us they will take the pardons as a case-by-case basis but as you saw in that piece, the people that gather outside of the dc joe, they expect him to pardon most if not all of these criminals. these people that have been conducted and if you think about it, trump and media has

been the last four years trying to whitewash what happened at the capital that day. saying all of these people that are in prison are political prisoners and they are being persecuted unfairly. for him not to do this will put him in a tough spot. >> dozens of police officers were also injured that they. is there anything stopping president-elect trump from pardoning them all? >> zero, the pardon power is unusual in the constitution. most of the powers in the constitution have some sort of check and balance on them. the pardon power directly locates the power of the king of england. there is no limit on who he can pardon, when he can pardon, and it cannot be challenged in the courts, it cannot be challenged in congressman he can pardon people who have not been charged with yet. the fbi is still looking for more people in this but he can say those people are off-limits as well just as gerald ford said to nixon, you are pardoned even though you have not been

charged with a crime yet. >> there is some of these people who have multiple year sentences. >> yes, there is a bit of debate, even some republican elected officials say anybody who touched a police officer or attacked a police officer should not be pardoned right? there are people talking about it in those terms but if you go back and talk to some trump supporters they will say the only people that did bad things at the capital that they were the police or imagined black lives matter or nt for supporters. so for trump to leave a lot of them in prison -- >> there is still people claiming it was nt for? >> absolutely the cognitive dissonance here is remarkable but the people still in prison are for the most part the people who beat on the cops. 1500 people arrested, 750 whenever sentenced to prison in the first place. many of the lesser people have served their sentences and are now home.

only a few hundred are still in prison and they are for the most part people like stuart rhodes, the head of the oath keepers the is serving 18 years and rico, the head of the proud boys, he is serving 22 years. is trump going to pardon them as well? when you start getting into the facts of these individual cases, it is pretty ugly. >> rachel powell in that piece obviously attacked the capital with a ice ax. she would say i did not lay my hand on anyone so i was not violent in that sense so therefore i should get out. coming up, high-profile accident a semitism in the u.s., wanted posters for jewish faculty at the university of new york is the tip of the iceberg. details in just a moment.