former president and donald, congratulations. looking forward to having a smooth transition. >> tonight, a reminder of a long-standing tradition. president biden who said he first decided to run for president because of donald trump posting his predecessor in the oval office as a sign of the peaceful transfer of power between administrations. we are told the meeting lasted two hours and trump had detailed questions about domestic and foreign issues. as a reminder this meeting did not happen when bynum was coming into office in 2020. that is because trump insisted he won the election and refused to hold it. thank you for watching. tonight on 360 the president-elect names matt gaetz to be his attorney

general. he is already known in the house ethics committee. also what so many have in common. geraldo rivera joins me to talk about some of the nominees. and what happened to the husband and father reported missing kayaking in august? his body was never found and now the sheriff says he may have staged his disappearance and is urging the man to come forward. we began with the remarkable fact that the next attorney general of the united states was the one until tonight facing an ethics probe. he is florida congressman matt gaetz. the word was within the last hour gaetz has resigned from congress which will end a house ethics committee investigation into him looking into allegations that he may have engaged in sexual misconduct and illicit drug use, except in improper gifts,

dispensed special provisions and papers to individuals with whom he had a personal relationship. he denies the allegations. he was also investigated eye the justice department concerning sex crimes allegations, which he also denies. the dlj ultimately -- d.o.j. ultimately deciding against prosecuting him. here is some of the reaction from one democratic senator. >> matt gaetz is dangerously unqualified. this is going to be a red alert moment for american democracy. matt gaetz is being nominated for one reason, because he will implement donald trump transition of the department of justice from an agency that stands up for all of us to simply an arm of the white house designed to persecute and prosecute trump's political

enemies . >> senate republicans were not of one voice on the appointment. >> the reaction to matt gaetz as attorney general, i don't know. i have to think about that. >> met with south carolina men -- lindsey graham. chuck grassley had no answer when asked about gaetz. he stood there in silence. john cornyn said i am still trying to absorb all this. senator john kennedy merely said happy thanksgiving. senator lisa murkowski said the gaetz is an unserious candidate, adding about one to make a joke maybe i was say now i am waiting for george santos to be named. other senate republicans, even those of publicly clashed with him over the years are saying this. >> i completely trust president

trump's decision-making. at the same time he has to come to the senate and sell himself. hopefully he is able to answer the questions right. >> that is senator mark mullen from oklahoma. it's the same senator who once said this . >> he was accused of sleeping with an underage girl. there is a reason why no one in the conference came to defend him. we had all seen the videos. he would brag about how he would crush medicine and chase it with an energy drink so that he could go all night. >> let show what he said now about gaetz. >> i completely trust president trump's decision-making on this one, but at the same time he's got to come to congress and sell himself or to the senate and sell himself. a lot

of questions are going to be out there. he's got to answer those questions. hopefully he is able to answer the questions right. >> now allegations all maybe mute either because republican senators will simply bend to the new president or the president-elect may try to get the confirmation process altogether, maybe name him an acting official if he can figure out a way to do that, something which he has talked about. >> it is easier to make moves. >> so you are going to shake up? >> summer doing a fantastic job. i like acting because i can move so quickly. >> met with him talking about the acting secretary or heads of departments back in 2019. confirmed or not at the president-elect wants to make matt gaetz attorney general he more than likely can. as elon musk said today the hammer of justice is coming. the

president-elect picked tulsi gabbard to be the director of national intelligence. she is an iraq war veteran who has expressed views to iraq and syria. it was only wednesday. katelyn collins starts us off tonight. short term horizons, just to get through the week. how much is matt gaetz a surprise? >> reporter: in a world where people are used to being surprised, donald trump and basically everyone in his orbit operates like that on a daily basis. this one was even a huge surprise the people who have been working on the transition. i've been in palm beach covering it very closely and talking to a lot of people who have been involved. this was not a name that had come up for almost anyone in any of the talk that they have been having

about who was going to head the justice department. ali said one of trump's biggest priorities and one he has been thinking about for months, who he would put in this position. this one was a shocked to essentially all of them. that is the biggest question tonight. about 24 hours ago i heard from sources was unhappy with basically everyone that had been brought to him as a potential candidate. he interviewed many of them and one was described as disastrous to me. essentially he was wish casting about for who he was going to put in this position. the two qualifications with someone fiercely loyal and someone who would be compliant with what he wants to happen at the justice department and that is what he got in matt gaetz. of all the decisions that he has made about his cabinet, kristi noem was made pretty quickly to the surprise of a lot of people. this will maybe even half that kind of timeline.

>> there were questions being raised about kristi noem's qualifications. in the sunlight of matt gaetz nomination that seems like a rational choice. do we know if the president-elect is concerned about getting matt gaetz confirmed? if it is not clear. yes, this is a 53 feet republican majority -- seat republican majority. it is not the same public and last senate it was when he took office in 2016. this is a senate very much in his making. a lot of this are his hand-picked people that are now going to be voting on these cabinet nominees once he is formally in office. there are still voices out there who seem to have a lot of skepticism. not just when asked about this pick, but also pete

hegseth. is it viable to buck the republican president on his pit? if you are triaging and picking one of them to break with him on which one do they pay? that is going to be a real question sooner rather than later. you saw the senate leadership fight that happened today with john thune coming out on top. quite a day to be john thune and snow you are the senate republican majority leader that is going to be advising your members on all of these questions. >> thank you. joining us now senator richard blumenthal. he is also a former u.s. attorney and former attorney general of connecticut. what is your reaction to the prospect of matt gaetz becoming attorney general? >> the only reason is he is a

trump puppet. his loyalty to trump is the only credible reason that he has been proposed. he will what denies the department of justice for retribution, donald trump's words. he is highly dangerous as a potential national security risk. as you well know, the department of justice is in charge of prosecuting espionage, terrorism, sabotage, all kinds of national security threats. i am hopeful that republicans will put this above politics and stand up to donald trump. i am very clear eyed based on their very on reassuring history that they are going to cave unfortunately to donald trump's will. >> you think he could pass in a confirmation? >> he could pass if republicans fail to vote the way many of

them are saying their conscience would dig tate. there are a lot of furred brows and wringing of hands. we have seen this movie before with the robert mueller investigation, with the impeachment, two of them. republicans have failed to live up to their conscience and conviction and put the country ahead of the politics. >> the president has said he wants them to push through nominees even if necessary through recess appointments. they would essentially bypass the confirmation process. what, if anything, can democrats do, given you will be in the minority? >> i think he is going to at least begin the confirmation process. we have tools to expose his shortcomings. a senate hearing will happen. we

will not just rely on the f vi -- f.b.i. will try to elevate this issue to the american public so they can see the security risk and the potential retribution is on donald trump and ultimately on republican colleagues to stop. >> this is the american public who voted donald trump into office. he was talking about all the stuff in the election. it is a surprising choice, but not particularly surprising given all the things he has said during the actual campaign. nobody should be surprised that he wants retribution or with set up the justice department for that, i don't think. >> that is a really important point. no one should be surprised by his defiance of the rules of law and the norms

of our democracy. it is one thing for him to talk about during the campaign and another for it to happen in real life. republicans have a majority now. it is on them to stop this degradation and potential danger to the country. we are going to fight hard to bring this issue to the american people and show this unserious candidate could have very serious consequences in terms of going after political enemies and silencing protests and all kinds of national security threat that we need to be very careful to avoid. >> thanks very much. perspective now from our colleagues. jeff, surprising?

not surprising? >> it is surprising. what i am reminded of today is eight years ago when president-elect trump takes jeff sessions to be his attorney general. very conservative, very distinguished. he had been a senator for a long time, but he committed one sin that was unforgivable which was he recused himself from the russia investigation, which was absolutely the proper thing to do, he deferred the case his deputy who appointed robert mueller. that investigation was an affliction for trump. he wants an attorney general who will under no circumstances ever turn over anything to a special prosecutor and do his bidding and protect trump whose encasement with the legal system has been a constant of his entire life. >> were you surprised by this?

>> to your point this is what he ran on. i think i thought he might have gone with a more subtle name. the question now is does the senate and senate republicans truly believe in advise and consent? i can think of four republican senators who i think would potentially stand up to this. todd young, susan collins, bill cassidy. i don't think there is a single republican senator who actually thinks this is a qualified choice and somewhat of a moral character. the question is is the clinical will they are? if i could just tell you quickly my only running with matt gaetz was in the outer oval office when donald trump was president. he was holding a folder and i said what's in that folder so that i could see what he was about to get to the president. it was conspiracy theories about joe scarborough. he presented it to donald trump will then tweeted about it causing the rest of the family of this woman who died tragically and had no

involvement obviously. that is the character and judgment of this revision -- individual. >> that is chilling at back i guess the guy who is going to be running the department of justice. >> the sunny lack of judgment and character. >> i worked with him on my bipartisan legislation in passing two laws recently. i think the biggest story is senator john thune is now the senate majority leader. why is that so important? because rick scott is not. that would've been all wheels off the rails with m.a.g.a.. now all of that responsibility is on senator thune to lead the troops into making good decisions. remember, trump earlier this week that all three candidates will you all agree to do recess appointments? they all said yes. will senator thune now backtrack on that with pete

hegseth up for defense? with matt gaetz up for attorney general? the house ethics committee two days away from releasing the report on matt gaetz and then he resigns. the big question in my mind is will that committee give that report to the senate before the confirmation? >> the point about recess appointments is if that is the way that it perceives there is no confirmation. the possible embarrassment of these nominees who don't really know a lot about the subject will not be subject to questions. >> scott, even you seem surprised. do you think this is a smart choice? >> smart is an interesting question. based on what i've heard tonight, gaetz starts out at a deficit in the senate that will be probably difficult to overcome. the confirmation hearing could change the minds. it strikes me as an uphill

climb which puts you into this recess appointment idea, which i think is going to be difficult to do, meeting the president-elect. of everything he has announced, which i don't really have a problem with anything that he has announced. this gaetz thing strikes me as the most problematic if you're looking at it from a legislative affairs matter. i am sort of shocked. one question i have, i read that matt gaetz resigned congress effective today, he resigned from this congress. he just got elected to the next congress. i don't know how that works. i assume because he just got elected he is still entitled to show up and to be sworn in in january. i have called a couple of people to find out how that would work. it is very unique. he has resigned from the current congress having just gotten elected to the next. >> donald trump make history.

>> there are lots of questions swirling. my general view is of the people who have been deemed controversial i think tulsi gabbard and hegseth have more than a fighting chance of being concerned -- confirmed. gaetz is the one that i would think would have a more problematic path. >> do you share scott's belief that this might be too far for enough senators -- republican senators? >> goodness yes. this is a gob smacking the bad nomination. i will be less surprised if my face were stapled to the floor. this is really a bad nomination. i cannot imagine any circumstance under which matt gaetz would be confirmed. i suspect donald trump will have to withdraw this nomination. by the way to answer scott's question if gaetz resigned today and was

sworn in and the new year the ethics committee is there release the report. they have the report. i am sure that is the reason why. they are probably about to drop sanctions on him. >> because he resigned a wooden release the report anyway? >> the house loses jurisdiction over any member was that member is no longer serving. i am curious to see if the ethics committee might release it anyway. this investigation was unusual. at the ethics committee several months ago and they announce what they were investigating and not investigating about matt gaetz. they never talk about an ongoing investigation. he antagonize them. i am curious to see. i don't think it has ever been done before. this is unprecedented. >> one thing about this appointment at some of the others, donald trump is billing powerful. >> that is for sure.

>> he doesn't feel like he owes anybody anything. he avidly doesn't feel like he needs to negotiate any of these things. this is a guy who is feeling fully powerful as the president-elect and certainly within the republican party. if this is an attempt to provoke a showdown, who was going to run this party and will you let me do it? it sets up a very interesting showdown over a very controversial subject matter. i have the feeling something else is afoot here, but that to me, trump is signaling to washington, d.c. i am not running again. i am not beholden to the congress or republican party. i am going to do what i want to do and i am not negotiating my hard-core position with anybody. >> we are going to take a short break and then we are going to continue with this conversation. this is pretty big. later geraldo rivera joins

us. he has taken some recent appointees and quite a few are former fox colleagues and gas. -- guests.

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tonight breaking news eclipsed a photo op that feels like it happened three decades ago. the president-elect returning to the white house. his meeting with president biden described as very cordial, gracious and substantive. i thought she was almost going to say very demure. kind of ancient history that the president-elect has picked matt gaetz to be the next attorney general of the united states. cnn has just confirmed what we were talking about before the break, the house ethics committee was due to meet this week to vote on releasing a report about gaetz. back now with the panel. there is another theory which do you want to talk about? >> i actually do not think that gaetz will be confirmed. even tommy tuberville is concerned. there is a potential that the nomination could be blocked. we

are not talking about other controversial picks. tulsi gabbard, there are a lot of folks in the intelligence committee who are horrified. she has a spouse russian propaganda before. she traveled to syria and basically try to whitewash his crimes against syrians. that is very concerning to a lot of people that she will be overseeing the entire apparatus. pete hegseth, a nice guy. i've met him. this is not a person prepared to leave a 3 million person workforce at the pentagon. donald trump does have a mandate. scott talks about this, but if he's trying to ruffle feathers and get change at the pentagon you don't send someone in whose never step foot in the pentagon. he's going to be outmaneuvered. the joint chiefs are going to run the place. this is not a qualified person. >> is impossible the gaetz announcement was made to deflect and make these others the more palatable? my

potentially, but look i think trump is going hard-core with his loyalists. going more on pete hegseth he enthusiasticall y supported and embraced baseless claims about the 2020 election. he defended the rioters. he says that he will deny women in combat roles. even his own colleagues at fox seemed to be incredibly surprised. steve ducey who i used to sit next to before i was booted for doing nothing wrong actually said is this real? trump is going to put him in charge of veterans affairs in 2006 the, which is much smaller. by the way he has done a ton for veterans and he is a decorated veteran. that would've been plausible. >> i have a theory, has been nominated matt gaetz to be

attorney general because he wants them to be attorney general? i think he plays the game to win. i don't think there is any sophisticated strategy involving other candidates. this is his candidate. he's going to do what trump has said he wants done at the justice department. i think it is a simple as that. >> do you think moderate senate republicans want to get on board with some of the form policy positions tulsi gabbard has taken? >> i think those are going to be hard questions that she has to answer. there is a significant chunk of the conference that is not going to have her worldview on a lot of these issues. whether they are able to accept someone with a different worldview and adjust them qualified and say the government -- president combined -- deserves his staff that's a different question. i do think it's going to be difficult, not as difficult as

gaetz. on hegseth i think it is a perfectly fine choice. i think a lot of republicans look at how the pentagon has been run the last four years and they say are you happy with the results given the afghanistan pullout, the spy balloons? the fact that we participated in building a gaza a pier that was nothing more than a political pr stunt the cost the life of a u.s. soldier? they look at these things and say maybe it's time for an outsider to come in and put a set of fresh eyes on this. hegseth is a veteran. princeton, harvard. you could do worse in my opinion than finding someone who has been is dedicated to this country as he has been. i have a different opinion than the rest of the panel. he has also show up and talk about his qualifications of management. i am just telling you the republican party is not interested in doing the same old same old. they want a shakeup and that is what trump

gave them. >> on hegseth, i listed the pentagon is a huge bureaucracy, which there is criticism of the size of it, the bloat. if you ready for that sort of management and maneuvering in such an organization? >> i appreciate mr. hegseth's service to our country, but i remember serving with people like bob gaetz . i remember bill cohen. these people were very serious, experienced people. the va would've been a better place for hegseth. the pentagon is not the right place. if i can say one thing about tulsi gabbard's appointment, i served with her. when i was chairman of the ethics committee i had just ended my term and she called me because she wanted to go to syria and i had to approve the travel. they were going to try to use her as a propaganda

tool. she went anyway. i would have advised her not to. i was surprised that she wanted to go given what was going on. i know that she opposed the assassination of one of trump's big achievements while he was president. i think she called it unlawful and unconstitutional. her worldview i think is not even in agreement with donald trump's view in many cases. >> there is the outstanding question of robert f. kennedy jr. and where he may end up. people scoffed about the idea of him heading hhs. >> if it is true that trump is seriously considering recess appointments were none of these people have to be confirmed, then he can put them anywhere he wants. this was sort of a last-minute marriage between

kennedy and trump. the issues that kennedy has talked about, especially about food is something that trump has absolutely no interest in. being the mcdonald's connoisseur he is, rather he really wants to expand political capital on kennedy's behalf is much more an open question than these others. >> thank you very much. up next, one a job in the trump administration? a stent on fox it seems. geraldo rivera joins us next.

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ask your eczema specialist about dupixent. matt gaetz was once a frequent presence on the returning presidents favorite t.v. news presence, fox news. sometimes he shares with his fellow pigs including pete hegseth. he was a co-host on fox and friends weekends for

almost a decade. and tom homan on sundays contributed. it is a practice that goes back to trump's first term with contributors like john bolton. joining me now geraldo rivera who worked at fox news for more than two decades. great to see you. what do you make of the choice of matt gaetz for attorney general? >> i think it is a horrible choice. i think the house ethics committee if he doesn't he go through the nomination should release its report. he is accused credibly of sex trafficking a minor and obstruction of justice. i cannot believe the president picked this guy who gives me the creeps just to look at him after knowing what he did. ask kevin mccarthy what he thinks of matt gaetz. to have this guy, releasing him in the

justice department archives files is going to dig up his own cases. you know, confidential interviews with purported victims. i don't understand why president-elect trump would pick someone so absolutely obnoxious that it cast a polo for all of his other choices. >> case obviously denies all of those allegations against him and the dlj decided to not move forward with charges -- transfer 11 -- d.o.j. decided not to move forward. i was trying to imagine what career people that the department of justice would do if a drama place? i assume there would be a fair amount of resignations. but i assume that would be something that gaetz would like to allow him to bring in new

people. >> i think this is where the hammer of retribution will fall. i think it will be on the department of justice. there is such resentment in the trump camp for all of these prosecutions. i think this is where he is going to go in there and i disagree that there will be resignations. i think people love those jobs. they are careerist. they hang again. they prosecute these cases. i think that he's going to go in there flailing around and people will be jumping out of the windows when they see the sky. to your point about him not being charged on these cases, that is why think the house ethics committee report is so critical. he has now resigned from congress. the house ethics committee has lost jurisdiction over him. i think he did it because that release of that document was imminent,

within days. now do we not get to see this report that the house ethics committee says is so incendiary? this is going to be the chief law enforcement officer. remember bill barr, i think you was the most important man during president trump's first term. i believe he held the whole administration together. it is a political role plus a legal role. now you have probably the most controversial member, certainly the most controversial male member of the house of representatives. now he is going to be the attorney general, the president's lawyer. i just think this is really a bad move by president-elect trump. he didn't get a mandate to go creepy. >> trump is that in the past where is my work: -- roy cohen. the choice of pete hegseth, he honestly has a long history of service to the country. hasn't

run an organization of this size and complexity. what do you think of this as a choice? do you thing even if you like him personally, do you think he is capable and will be successful running that organization? >> i have spoken from my years as a war correspondent i have very good contacts in the military and i have spoken to very high ranking officers with deep pentagon and war fighting experience. they voiced misgivings about him running this 3 million strong department. i get that. i know pete hegseth. a two-time awardee of the bronze star. this is a combat veteran who loves other veterans and who has a wonderful rapport with them and with military families. i think it would be a steep learning curve for major

hegseth. i think if anyone can do it, he can do it. he is courageous. he is smart. he is well-educated. he cares deeply about it. certainly i look at him and i see a here, but he's in his mid-40s. he has done a lot. it was great being opposite of him on the couch. we never agreed to much, but i think he can do it. the same with tulsi gabbard, another combat veteran. i think she will also have a tough time learning all of the d&i stuff, but i think she's also a sincere person. mike huckabee is the new designated ambassador to israel. he believes jews should get the holy land and there shouldn't be a two state solution. i believe he is such a sincere and honest person. i think that

he will grow into that role. gabbard, huckabee and hegseth is one thing. matt gaetz is totally different. matt gaetz is someone whose entire life go seem to be disruptive, to be honorary , wild and crazy. i keep going back to the work creepy. i think that describes him. i hate to be so dogmatic. i just don't see an upside. i don't know why president trump did it. >> geraldo rivera, appreciate your time. good to have you on. another signal today the president-elect is intended to keep his campaign promise about mass deportations.

today president-elect trump made it official with cnn has been reporting. mainly that stephen miller will join tom homan on taking the lead in the new administration, fulfilling a campaign promise. rosa florez has more what this could mean for hispanic families, even those who supported the president-elect. >> how many of you are u.s. citizens? how many of you support donald trump? you are undocumented and you support donald trump? >> i support donald trump for the economy. >> reporter: two hispanic families with two different takes on president-elect donald trump's return to the white house. this is his first gathering since trump's win. how many of you fear deportation could impact your family? this husband and father

was a daca recipient until the summer. his sister and brother-in-law are recipients of the rest of his family are u.s. citizens. some who are not present are undocumented. >> you are a green card holder, your wife is a u.s. citizen. why are you afraid? >> i just became a green card holder after 33 years. it is a constant shadow hanging over our heads. >> what was your reaction to donald trump winning? >> i cried alive. it was emotional. half my family, are they going to be here? are they not going to be here? my nephews, they are also our kids. >> velasquez is a undocumented

mechanic who has worked in houston for 25 years. he plays in this park with his two u.s. citizen children ages 5 and 9 and dance by donald trump. you support donald trump because of the economy? but you don't support the anti-immigrant rhetoric? do you support his deportations? >> no. it is not human. >> are you afraid that you could be deported? >> i'm not afraid. >> reporter: espinoza runs a migrant advocacy group and says many people are afraid and have caught him in tears. >> i think there is a heightened sense of fear. >> explain why latino man are going to trump? >> latinos one a better nation.

>> reporter: he believes some of the latino support for trump was the vote against the prospect of the first black female president. >> there is still a lot of misogyny and something that we need to say aloud is there is a lot of anti-blackness. >> he says he hopes trump finds compassion for immigrant others like him who are not criminals. if you get deported would you regret your support to donald trump? [ speaking in a non-english language ] >> he is saying he would not regret supporting donald trump. so you're really not thinking about yourself. you are thinking about your children? >> i want better for my children. >> reporter: caesar says he feels guilty for bringing so much uncertainty to his family. what is it like for you to see your wife go through this and the emotions that she is going through? >> i apologize to her a lot. we fell in love right away. we got married almost right away. when

you know, you know. >> we asked the same final question, do you have a plan in case you get deported? >> i respect the decision and i'll leave the country and not come back. >> there is a plan. >> reporter: it turns out these two hispanic families with two different takes have the same plan if they get deported. they would go to mexico as a family. as for how organizations across this country are preparing for possible deportations, nationally the a.c.l.u. is preparing for the legal fight. then their organizations. for example in california they are calling for immigration reform. in new york organizations are switching their mission to focus on the possibility of mass deportations. i talked to some organizations here in

texas who saith the federal government is actually going to deport a lot of migrants in this massive way that they should do so with dignity. coming up next a wisconsin man vanishes while kayaking in a lake, which is only the beginning of a very strange story.

authorities in wisconsin believe a husband and dad that went missing while kayaking is actually alive and staged his disappearance. >> in the middle of august, they started searching for missing kayaker who never

returned. they found his capsized kayak and other belongings like his keys, wallet, and tackle box showed up. >> we continued through 54 days. >> keith is a diver for a nonprofit organization that assists in recovery operations for drowning accidents. >> i had been on the water for about 23 days. >> local and state authorities along with volunteers also helped in the search, but the body never turned up. they came up with a different theory. the sheriff says a digital forensic revealed that he cleared his

browser history on the day of his disappearance. investigators found that the 44-year-old moved funds to foreign bank, changed his email, communicated with a woman and to get a $375,000 life insurance policy in january. the sheriff's office said they later discovered that his passport was run the date after he was reported missing. >> we were sure that brian was not in our lake. >> they believe he is likely in eastern europe. no charges have been filed. in the meantime, they have a message for borgwardt. >> get a hold of us and let us know that you are okay. people forgive. but it is important to get him back