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it is friday, november 15th . >> won the white house, recaptured the senate and as of today recaptured the house. >> a night of celebration, the president-elect delivering his first speech since his victory. >> there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. >> a prescription for trouble. rfk's promise to make america healthy and what it could mean for you. 7 the sequence and timing of mr. gates resignation from the house raises serious questions. >> curious timing, congress and matt gaetz said he quit congress to become attorney general not to sidestep damning allegations. >> we are going to move forward with a family conversation over the next several days and

weeks. >> the way forward, democrats doing soul-searching after democrat republicans clinched the trifecta. it is just after 6:00 a.m. on the east coast . a beautiful sunrise over new york city on this friday morning at the end of a, one of those weeks. donald trump has returned, if you are in washington , it feels very familiar in the pace and scope of the changes. good morning. it is wonderful to have you with us. we did make it to friday. make america healthy again. donald trump choosing robert f kennedy junior to lead the department of human resources . >> i am going to let him go wild on health i will let him go wild on food. >> i'm going to let him go wild, trump said. what might going wild look like? this is a

job, let's remember that overseas the cdc , the fda, the national institute of health, and medicare and medicaid. there are more than 100 million americans who get the health coverage from those two programs. how does rfk junior see the world? >> the entire departments like the nutrition department after the fda that have to go. they are not doing their job . they are not protecting our kids. >> to have to go. what are some of kennedy's views on various public health matters that he may oversee? let's see. >> i do believe autism comes from vaccines area covid-19 is targeted to attack caucasians and black people. the people that are are chinese periods

>> radiation does all kinds of bad things including causing cancer. >> some of the mass shootings we are seeing in this country may be related to this new class of drugs. >> on the argument highest profile issue he has weighed in on, the safety of vaccines, that is an issue for help for all of us and all of our children has tried to claim a less extreme view than the one that he actually holds. this is what he told me december of last year prayed >> over the summer in an interview you said that quote, there's no vaccine that is safe and effective. did you say that ? >> i never said that. >> we have the clip . please play the clip. >> name any vaccines that you think are good. >> i think some of the live virus vaccines are averting

more problems than they are causing. there is no vaccine that is safe and effective. >> you did say it, do you still believe it ? >> here's what i would say first of all i am not anti-vaccine. >> how is that statement not anti-vaccine periods >> i can say right now there was no fight for cancer that is. that does not mean i am against medicines. i have been fighting for 40 years for, and nobody calls me anti-fish. >> joining me to discuss all of this is our senior political correspondent from the "wall street journal", ellie williams, democratic congressman from ohio . welcome to all of you pretty thank you for being here. in person, thank you for sticking around, you told me to call you greg fred i'm going to do it, that is very hard . >> after you graduate from school ucu teacher in the

supermarket , do you call the mr. or mrs.? >> i just want the audience to know you told me i could. >> there is a big divide between elected officials and everyone else, if we keep saying congressman, president, senator, it is just greg . >> bald is beautiful. >> with that, eliot, i would like to start with you. you heard what rfk junior had to say about covid, for example , the amount of power that is centered on this agency is quite remarkable and extensive . what is your sense of the degree of impact that rfk could have in this role? >> quite profound starting with the number of regulations that will cross the desk of the department of health and human services . it is important to

note that a lot of the things that we are noting are really policy differences and policy issues. they are extreme, he is in many respects pushing conspiracy theories. to me, the bigger concern is a lot of the things in this individual's background that render him unfit to lead any sort of large enterprise there are lessons about drug and substance abuse and behavior issues and personal misconduct and all of which would come up in the context of a confirmation hearing. >> we have not even done the , or the whale on the beach. >> wasn't there a dog ? >> a goat or a dog -- >> maybe we can investigate and settle this. >> that is sort of the broader point , all of those things will come up in the context of a hearing, is this an individual fit to manage far more than do you agree with his views on vaccines?

>> greg , congressman , i am going to choke on this every time. we were talking a little bit in the last hour about the democratic governor jared polis on vaccines. he said he is excited by the news that the president elect will appoint robert kennedy junior to hhs and i hope he learns into vaccine rather than plants which are terrible like medics and it goes on to be optimistic and taking on big pharma. how do you think this issues going to cut and where do you fall? >> hearing that the second time, polis was saying, we do not like bans, if he is going to lean into or do away with any man on vaccine i guess that is one, he's being optimistic. what i don't understand is , if the american people were

clear they want a change in they want people to focus on the economy and they want people to fix the border and a whole other host of issues that matter, is this all not just pulling attention away from the things that they care about in order to pay back those folks that helped trump win. >> what i was thinking about as you read that quote, set aside kennedy for one second, obviously we have kennedy, whether he is confirmed or not , you also have jd vance and joe rogan . the pharmaceutical industry is going to be in the metaphorical crosshairs of a trump administration unlike any we have seen in a public administration in quite some time. much of big business there was evolution on the right where it was laissez-faire, i think that will change, to what degree we

will see . that is just what i have noticed the last couple of months. >> go ahead. >> more so than gates, this fascinates me because i think this is where the rubber meets the road for a lot of republicans, susan collins is up in 2026, it is very much like a joe manchin position if she is to retire that seat is very democratic. the politics is interesting . that is why i also took note of bill cassidy who has not afraid to be a trump critic , did not commit to confirming kennedy but did not rule it out and praise him in a statement yesterday. very interested to see where this goes. >> to your point, what i am wondering is this is not traditional republican pick for health and human services, this is a former democrat who has a lot of left coated views. i want to know , when he is

expressing views that challenge the pharmaceutical industry and other aspects of big business is that something republican senators will go along with? when he is expressing views about government regulation, that he wants more state control over what we eat and how the government governs our health and that kind of thing, is that something that republicans senators want to go along with . these of the policy questions that i think will be interesting when and if he gets to confirmation. >> just quickly , to your point, molly, it is easy to label big business and pharma as enemies , these are donors and constituents of many republican senators who have to cast votes on these issues. when they are hearing from be it pfizer or eli lilly ,

because they are providing support, that is how washington works . >> it could be one of the last issue standing that can cut across party lines based on if you have a medical device manufacturing in your state you may not align exactly the way they might expect. >> donald trump has a trifecta of government control this time around even with the majority his cabinet will be a true test of loyalty plus the richest man in the world's impact on trump's transition . plus, new developments on the house ethics probe into matt gaetz and a curious cancellation for an event that was scheduled for today. >> matt gaetz has chosen to resign from the house but he cannot choose to conceal that information. >> it is my understanding it is not supposed to go public . if it is not supposed to under the rules it should not go public.

do you think matt gaetz can get through ? >> i do not know the answer to that just yet. as you point out there are some skeptics but he deserves the process. >> very measured. coming senate majority leader john soon did leave open the possibility of matt gaetz becoming the next attorney general of the united states. the house ethics committee was supposed to meet later today to vote on releasing its report on the now former congressman who faces allegations of trafficking, illicit drug use and accepting improper gifts . that meeting has been canceled. he resigned wednesday effectively ending the panel investigation. it is

not clear when or if the committee findings will be made public. democrats insist there is no choice. >> he would have to be released if they want to get the senate to confirm him. they can move to do a recess appointment which would escape the requirements of getting an actual senate vote. >> greg landsman, what can you tell us about this note and what is going on. obviously with the ethics committee republicans would have to vote with the democrats to get this out there. why was his canceled ? >> i don't know why it was canceled i think he decided to step down because they were about to release the report and for the time being the report stays behind closed doors. the ethics committee , as you know is a bunch of democrats and republicans and they take their job seriously. they investigated this. >> it is probably a tough job. >> it is a tough job and they take it seriously. one way or

another the report were come out and i understand it is a damning report and it suggests disgusting behavior not just criminal behavior but discussing behavior and that is going to be tough for senate republicans to say this person should run the justice department. >> do you know more about what disgusting means in this context? >> just what we have read and what he does on the house floor. this guy would walk around on the house floor and show people pictures of women. he does not hide the kind of person he is. the idea that he wants to hide this report is bizarre. this is who he is. >> to casey's point that you have to have, viewers may not know this is split between democrats and republicans. my question is , how much faith you have in the current house ethics committee? is a very polarized congress generally

preview think there is a bipartisan spirit? >> i do. the ethics committee take their job seriously both sides republicans and democrats. this report will find its way to the public as it should. they did a lot of work to put it out there. whatever it says, it says. i think the two things on gaetz , do people want to go burn down the justice department? most everybody believes in federal law enforcement and we should be fighting crimes and not covering them up and two , are these allegations and what ends up being in the report, is that disqualifying ? >> can i ask, matt, one of the questions i had if gaetz is confirmed is that he is deeply disliked by members of his own party , by republican spirit if he goes down republicans will have to sink him and take on

trump's to do that. it is it helpful for democrats is a do this, do this, or should they be more hands off and let republicans sink one of their own? >> when the other team is dealing with this, stand back richard blumenthal leading the charge is not helpful. i think republicans were in the "wall street journal" yesterday, there was a rally that said 30 republicans could vote against. that was your story? >> no, i was just saying it's right there. >> the goal was to try to save her a little bit. i don't think it was ever that 30 republicans would vote against him but it was don't put us in a position. kevin mccarthy said everything is great except matt gaetz. one of the other things, obviously this is a big x factor . there have been some reports about what is in the

report. in some respects , set aside the report, which is hard to do, even if gaetz wins he is ag and if he loses there is always rumors of him going to florida and running for governor. obviously that could be the massive x factor. in some respects it could be win-win for gaetz. >> i will put the same question to you, congressman as i did that, do you think congress will be hands-off? >> no. i think it's important to hear what he thinks. the people want to know what he thinks. the allegations in the report is a series of sex crime's and what we understand to be crew true or could be true is he had sex with a child that this is a big deal if it is true, the people should know it and hopefully senator say that is a bridge too far. i certainly would. gaetz, this is one of his challenges, i had a run-in with him in my first

term , first year, for the same reason that everyone else has issues with gaetz , most of us came together . we want government and he is not a serious person. he wants attention and he wants to go party , he wants to get on tv and it is all about him and the american people don't want that. people who come to d.c. to actually govern which are democrats and republicans do not like matt gaetz . >> i do think to your point it is quite possible that he is objectively the most disliked member of the entire congress . and a unifying figure in a lot of ways. i have spent a lot of time with matt gaetz and reporting on him and he is uniquely polarizing figure. >> i appreciate that point. >> congressman greg landsman thank you for joining us. >> ahead, uphill climb for the democratic party we will talk about the party challenges going forward . plus, rfk

junior, public health and trust, dr. joins us just ahead.

welcome back. the northeast united states facing elevated fire threats, wind and drought conditions are continuing. let's get to our meteorologist derek van dam. >> good morning. happy friday. that is the big story today, dry conditions that are persisting across the northeast. you have the combination of dry relative humidity , gusty northwest wind, low temperatures and of course that equates to the potential for fire spread rather quickly. we are

monitoring the fire which is about 75% containment. we would like to see more rain and containment with that fire but that is not the case the storm system producing rain is just to the south and it will continue to pull off the east coast. look at all of the rain on the latest radar it basically evaporates before it reaches the border of new jersey and new york, not providing relief in terms of wet conditions , in fact the wind will pick up from the northwest of the course of the next few days and that will make for difficult fire conditions for this area, elevated fire risk . here's a look at the temperatures, nations capital 56, 65 in atlanta, warmer in florida and houston. i want to give a quick update on tropical storm sarah. a lot of the models had the storm system impacting florida. the good news is, it is staying away from the mainland as a tropical entity. the bad news

is it is impacting central america with significant amounts of rainfall as it skirts the coastline of honduras. at this, they have had over 17 inches of rain along the coastline of honduras, this is an area that is susceptible to mudslides and landslides. >> derek van dam for us. have a wonderful weekend. >> still coming up , elon musk at mar-a-lago, how much influence does the billionaire have over the trump transition ? and rfk junior could get the top health job in the nation. what does that say about trust in a public health system. we will talk live with dr. >> he is a great guy and he will do pretty much what he wants as far as i'm concerned. he wants health for women, men and children . i agree with a lot of the things that he says.

today , i nominated him for , i guess, if you like health and you like people to live a long time, it is the most important position . rfk junior, we want you to come up with things and ideas and what you have been talking about for a long time and i think you will do unbelievable things. no one will be able to do it like you and he feels it in his heart. >> trump's political rival turned ally, arif kennedy junior could be the nation's top public health official and is also a known vaccine skeptic. i spoke with him last year when he was running for president as an independent and i asked him about his stance on mandates for vaccinating children. >> do you think schoolchildren should not be required to be

vaccinated ? >> i would be against mandates that all. >> for any vaccine? >> any vaccine. >> joining us now is cnn chief medical correspondent. it is wonderful to see you. i would like to get the big picture here with the possibility of rfk junior in this role with a stance like that, what are the real world implications for lifting mandates or vaccines , for public school children? what does that mean , if you are an american who just wants to send your kids to school and you want them to come home healthy? >> the issue is that you can project the number of people who will get sick him of the number of hospitalizations and deaths based on what we have seen in the past. we put data, looking back 30 years back to 1994, children born between 1994 and 2023 and say what

impacted the vaccines that children have ? what impact did it have on the real world? we can show you the numbers but the headline was around 1 million deaths were prevented as a result. 32 million hospitalizations and 500 million illnesses. that is going backwards, kc. you start to go forward and you see there have been dips in some of these vaccinations including measles. you have about 95% measles vaccination , not only to protect your child up for all the other children around them to protect your child, that herd immunity, we are starting to drop below herd immunity. it is tough to anticipate with public health. success means you don't see anything . you are trying to prove a negative when it comes to public health. that gives you an idea that these are some of the most impactful and preventative tools that we have seen in the

world, these vaccines. >> one thing i have thought a lot about and i am curious from your perspective, the way that trust in our public health officials but also trust in things like vaccines and the actual science declined in the wake of covid and the way the pandemic has contributed to more people being more skeptical of the science that these agencies are relying on and some of the tools that they provide. how big of a problem do you think is declining trust in public health authorities? what can we do about it and what does the rfk appointment say about that? >> i think it is concerning. no question. when you look at some of the pew data that evaluates this very question , right at the beginning of the pandemic it was the highest, 87% of americans based on that data, had a lot or fair amount of trust in their leaders and

science. it dipped through the pandemic down to 73% and it has come up a little bit, 76%. what is interesting is the people who do not have trust, that has become much more entrenched group concerned about things like conflict and concerned about the policies they saw during covid. that is what has happened. i think what is also interesting is scientists have increasingly been perceived as arrogant. that is one of the things that jumped out in these surveys, that is heartbreaking, as a doctor myself to hear that, this idea that people are being to authoritarian, dogmatic, whatever it may be, that is problematic. he is feeding into that. i think in many ways and at the same time. i watched the interview you did with him in december, i thought it was one of the best interview on vaccine that is a point of contention. the idea of making america healthy again

overall , i think he will have a lot of support behind something like that. i don't know what it means exactly, but the idea that we spent $4.5 trillion on healthcare and we have some of the worst outcomes in the developed world is something that a lot of people have seized onto. the problem is i don't know what it translates to. even in your interview there was a waffling of position. i think it changes from day to day. there has been a softening in the stanza vaccines the past few weeks. we will see if he can get confirmed and what he will do. >> that is what i was trying to get at , he was trying to tell voters that he did not believe the things that he clearly does believe when he is in a different form and when he is dealing with different audiences. that raises a huge question as to what he will actually do in this role. dr. sanjay gupta, so good to have you. have a wonderful weekend. for all of our viewers, dr.

sanjay gupta works across the globe to see how weight-loss medications are transforming lives. is ozempic right for you? it airs sunday at 8:00 p.m. on cnn . >> still ahead, elon musk played a key role in helping get trump back to the white house. now there are reports about the world's richest man taking on more influence. seth moulton joins us on his take on how his party can help reconnect. >> we have to do a better job of working hard to lower food prices, lower gas prices, lower housing prices and that is something that we will lean into.

i will be recorded as the first cabinet nominee in the history of the republic to be rejected in the first 90 days of the presidency and perhaps be harshly judged.

>> that right there, the last and only time a new president's nominee was rejected by senate vote back in 1989 when george h. w. bush is defense secretary nominee much on tower, was undone by reports of his excessive drinking and quote womanizing. how quite. as summer bumpkins question whether his cabin a pencil pass a , there are talks of allies using a tool of recess to circumvent opposition. >> i want to avoid a recess appointment scenario. the prostitution the president has total authority. >> i don't think we should be circumventing these in its responsibilities , but i think it is premature to be talking about recess appointments. >> all options on the table

including recess appointments. hopefully it does not get to that but we will find out quickly if the democrats want to play ball or not. >> joining us as democratic congressman seth moulton the massachusetts. thank you for being here. to start on the recess appointment point , the "wall street journal" has a piece this morning talk about the quote unquote scheme saying that the founders had to travel to the national capital by horse and they granted the president power for any vacancies that happened obviously, this is a very different world we live in. do you expect from what we hear on capitol hill and what you may know about this ethics report investigation into matt gaetz , whether this is something that will be used and if gaetz can be confirmed. >> what i am hearing is he probably will not be confirmed. this comes down to a question of how loyal republicans are to trump. a lot of people do not like matt gaetz. the idea that the top law-enforcement official in the country would be someone who was under criminal investigation. to matt

gaetz his defense he has been under investigation, he has a house ethics probe about human trafficking, sex crimes and whatnot, he is at least not a convicted felon mike donald trump , that is the best you can say. the reality for members of congress is we do not like someone who is considered among the worst getting elevated to position like this. i think the senate wants to maintain power grid it wants to show there will be a check against ththe administration, even against trump but it comes down to loyalty for republicans and trump and will they be loyal enough ? in the past they pretty much do what he asks . >> another controversial pick landing and robert f kennedy junior as health and human services secretary. because he ran for president, a number of headlines situations that he found himself in came to light including a variety of run-ins with animals over the years.

let's just hear some of the things he had to say. these are the headlines, rfk junior missed dumping a pair and central park. rfk said doctors found a dead worm and his brain. robert f kennedy junior saw the head off a whale and drove it home daughter said spirit rfk junior denies eating a dog while sidestepping sexual assault allegations. there is a lot in that headline. here he is on tape. >> a woman in the van in front of me hit a bear and killed it. i pulled over and i picked up the bear and put it in the back of my van. ever since that guy wrote the dog article about me thing i hit the dog. i would never do something like that. from the national marine fisheries institute saying that they were investigating me for collecting a whale specimen 20

years ago. >> have you killed any whales in your lifetime? >> no. >> may be a brain worm eight that part of my memory. >> you think any of this will be disqualifying for hemp ? >> compared to matt gaetz he looks good . that is the problem. there is such a crazy cast of characters that trump has put up. in ancient rome apparently made his horse into, that looks tame compared to this cast of characters. a few days ago people were saying he will never make secretary of defense he does not have expense with bureaucracy, he does not have expense with military officers and he will not make it. now he looks like a shoe with because of how many nominees can senate republicans actually agreed to stop. >> let me talk to about democrats and the depth of the defeats that you had . you are

all back together in washington this weekend and you also met last week. do you get the sense that there is a understanding among your colleagues, among your leadership of the depth of the defeats and what to do about it, or not ? >> not really i think there are a lot of democrats going around, especially in the house, justifying how we did, we did a little better with harris. the republican party has been in a civil war for the last year, the trump faction with traditional republicans culminating in the house where we could not even have a speaker but they could not elect a speaker for three weeks. this party is led by a convicted felon . democrats should have had the easiest election in our lifetime . we should have cleaned up from president of the united states down to local school board democrats should have swept this , and yet we got defeated across the board. we lost a big . we have got to come to grips

with that if we are willing to change. we cannot keep the same strategy if we want to start winning elections again. >> you have, of course, had significant blowback from comments you made in the "new york times". you told him democrats spend way too much time trying not to offend rather than being brutally honest about the challenges americans face. i have two little girls and i don't want to see them getting run over on the playing field by a former male athlete but as a democrat i am supposed to be afraid to say that. the "washington post" put it this way in an editorial board and they publish this yesterday, this sparked immediate backlash within his own political camp, his campaign manager quit, the state legislator accccused him f scapegoating transgender youth, he was called to resign, the governor claimed that mr. moulton was playing politics and even tough university got in the act when the chair of the political science department called moulton's office and said not to contact

university to recruit interns in the future. the headline was needs a respectful debate. was this evidence of what you're trying to say? >> it proves my point. i was using this is one of the many examples where the democratic party has lost touch with the american people. the problem is, we are so insistent on policing our words and refusing to engage in debates about contentious issues, that we are losing. it turns out in an exit poll with this one particular issue was the number one reason swing voters chose trump. yet, kamala did not have an answer. the vice president did not respond to these vicious attacks from republicans against trans people. we are the party that wants to protect them . we are the party that will stand up for minorities all across america when they come under assault from americans and we cannot even engage in a debate about policies that we can win on, that we can win the american people on. not only to start

winning elections again and get power back in washington, which is really critical if we want to support and protect minorities, but even to win the debate. >> let's open this up. matt gorman, the congressman's point about the transition being the top of the list. clearly that message the trump team put so much money behind kamala's for them and donald trump is for you, it seems to have broken through >> it did. we live in an era where, in the 90s that would break through, that one didn't. it would play on sundays targeted towards men, especially men of color african american and latino mentoring football games is when i would see it. it was broader than that peer policy it goes to what the congressman said it is about culture and priorities. it was not really just about trends , it was about one of the priorities for kamala versus trump. >> this was a culture election, i said that to my team the

morning after the election. i said this is a culture election. there are some issues where we have better policies like the economy our policies will bring down inflation. trump with his tax cuts with billionaires and massive tariffs will raise inflation. the american voters, chumps republicans war on the economy. we have to understand why do american voters fundamentally do not trust us ? i think it is because we are in the business of preaching as opposed to listening. we are a party that is very arrogant. if you do not agree with us 100% with our dogma views on certain issues , then you are not only wrong, you are a bad person. that is the attitude that a lot of american voters are hearing from democrats, or that is what they perceive and we have to change that. >> chuck schumer, according to axios , they reported this, outgoing senate majority leader chuck schumer sent out a urgent alarm by democrats who felt ambushed from gop attacks on transgender people participating in women's

sports. in meetings by schumer they said the democrats are flat-footed on the attacks as many campaigns aired ads pushing back. it does seem as though this is something that has legs. >> democrats knew this ad was having an effect him it was showing up in the testing . they were seeing these trump ads, they were not about trans athletes, they were about taxpayer-funded surgeries for transgender prison inmates. that is even more, i would suspect, issue on which people overwhelmingly agreed this should not be a high priority and the government , that taxpayer funds are spent on. yet , there was a feeling that it was too dangerous even to respond come even to take a position come even to try to rebut what kamala harris was on tape saying in this interview from 2019. i think it does

prove the congressman's point. it does prove -- voters see that. they see this is a party that is so afraid of certain small groups of activists that they are not willing to speak to the majority of the american people . >> that is the point of the danger when you say it is dangerous to respond but that's not coming from republicans, the danger is coming from ourselves. we are going to shoot our own if we even bring this issue up for debate. i have to say i do think our leadership gets this. you heard acknowledgment from schumer. i have had great conversations with hakeem jeffries who is a leader in the house but he said we have to engage in these conversations great you are right, we have to figure it out. i have had some great conversations with lgbtq advocates who really recognize this is a problem and we need to win on this issue and not ignore it, not dismiss it, not refuse to respond, we can win on this , just like we did with

marriage. we can settle this in a reasonable way that american voters respect and republicans will not have an effective attack and we will be able to protect these people because republicans cannot fundamentally take away their rights. >> i think it is an interesting point. i guess my question is , is it a matter of changing a position or message? we have these issues on the right to we have talked at not him about how abortion has hurt us electorally and some of the folks say is it a matter of six weeks versus 18 weeks or is it a matter of talking about women and families. i am curious, if you were to make a suggestion, is it a position change, message change, all of the above ? >> on these issues i am not an expert. i was just trying to say let's have a debate and figure out if we need to change our policy. there are some changes places with a policy feels out of date with the public. there are some places

like the economy, where we have good policies that would help the american people and help the working class we cannot connect on a cultural level to say you should trust us. >> i think that is the power of the ad from the super bowl, matt, you and i talked about this, it is the willie horton of 2024, the ad in the 88 election about michael dukakis thing soft on crime . >> it is personal in massachusetts. >> it distracted from far higher priority issues and labeled one party as being in the tank or in bed with an issue , forgive the metaphor , it labeled the party and it was quite effective for a generation on vulnerability that party had and it's the same thing here. >> even if it was rooted in something sinister, is that was immensely successful. >> we have to leave it there. this has been a great conversation.