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on 360. >> breaking news. the trump transition team caught off guard about their pick for defense secretary and raising questions about his viability as a sexual assault allegation from his past comes to light. also tonight, attorney general pick matt gaetz and a stunning new development concerning the house ethics report on his sexual misconduct allegations that the house speaker now says he'll work to secret. and robert f. kennedy jr. says he'll prioritize removing fluoride from drinking water in a trump administration. what does the science say about it? doctor sanjay gupta joins us to explain. >> good evening. we begin tonight with new reporting on the president elect's choice to head the department of defense. fox and friends weekend host pete hegseth. now, as you may know, a story surfaced late last night that he was accused of sexually assaulting a woman in no charges resulted from the investigation. now, two sources tell cnn that this is raising questions within the trump transition team about whether hegseth nomination is still viable. hegseth received very little internal vetting before

the president elect chose him, and no external vetting at all so this 2017 allegation may have come as a surprise. much more, though, about the former army major and combat veteran is well known, mainly because he's made no secret of it over the years. >> i'm straight up just saying. we should not have women in combat roles men in those positions are more capable. >> well, hegseth like his would be boss, has also been outspoken about military commanders and efforts to incorporate diversity, equity and inclusion training for u.s. service members any general that was involved, general admiral, whatever that was involved in any of the die woke has got to go. he also has weighed in on gay and lesbian service members, which he says have had a negative effect on recruitment. >> they, in search of a nontraditional constituency, they offended their core constituency. so there aren't enough lesbians in san francisco to man the 82nd airborne and in trying to cater

to that, they lost the boys from tennessee and kentucky and oklahoma. the traditional dudes who did it because they wanted they loved their country or they wanted the adventure or they, you know, wanted to try tough things or they they need an up and out of their community whatever it is, they're like if i wanted to do the woke crap, i could go to the local community college or local college. i don't need it here. >> so that's pete hegseth. just last week he put out a book this year dedicated to views like that titled the war on warriors. in it, he writes, the problem is that a more empathetic and effeminate military isn't a more efficient one. it's a more inefficient one that puts everyone at risk he added. quote, dads push us to take risks. mom put the training wheels on our bikes. hegseth has also advocated on behalf of eddie gallagher, the navy seal convicted of and demoted for posing with a dead isis casualty in iraq. a number of people gallagher actually served with testified against him. then president trump ultimately restored gallagher's rank. a little

more than a year later, hegseth would go on to cast doubt on the 2020 election and take a sympathetic view toward the people who stormed the capitol. here he is on january 7th. >> i'm actually not surprised. i wasn't surprised by what happened yesterday. i'm not saying it's okay, but i wasn't shocked. i recognized that people feel like the entire system is rigged against them, and then they look at what antifa and black lives matter have gotten away with. and no, no no, i'm sorry, you can't go to church, but i can riot during covid. and i'm told that that's okay. but if we gather as a group, we're condemned for being a bunch of conspiracy theorists who are not patriotic. i don't buy it. >> pete hegseth is also what some would call a family values advocate. he's written a social conservative should work to prevent, in his words wanton divorce. hegseth is on his third marriage. his first two ended in divorce after he had affairs with coworkers. and not that this really has much to do with anything, but it is kind of interesting. he apparently doesn't wash his hands. >> i don't think i've washed my hands for ten years. >> really, i don't i don't

really wash my hands. >> help me know that. no i inoculate myself. >> it's not. germs are not a real thing. i can't see them. therefore they're not real >> for more on this, we're joined by cnn's kaitlan collins and john miller. caitlin, what are you hearing about the transition team and the viability of this nomination? >> so this all went down where essentially it was a very short time period from where pete hegseth name was suggested, and then he was brought to mar-a-lago and was offered the job of the largest federal agency, obviously one of do you know if it was? >> was that something he was pushing for? >> do you know? i think he's just he's a veteran. so he's been associated with with the military. trump once considered him actually for veterans affairs back during his first term. i actually talked to people who worked for trump in the first term about this who were surprised because they all knew that there were there were rumors out there. nothing substantiated. but but he didn't go far the last time he was considered for va, because there were questions about whether or not he could get confirmed, what this process

looks like. it's really ugly. obviously and so, you know, but these are all people who were there in the first term, and that doesn't seem to have been something that was brought up when he went to mar-a-lago for this interview. this time around so it only had been about 48 hours after trump announced pete hegseth as his choice for for defense secretary. when this allegation was was brought to trump's transition team, mainly susie wiles, who of course is the incoming chief of staff. and it led to this moment where she had to to question pete hegseth over this and whether or not there was any more damaging information out there. now, his attorney tim parlatore, has noted that no charges were filed in this. >> we noted that as well and has denied all wrongdoing. but i think the question that we're hearing tonight inside the trump team is, is there more to come? is there going to be another shoe to drop? is this going to be a bigger issue? and there are real questions about his viability as the nominee and is it clear how much from what you're hearing from sources, how much vetting was actually done on him? so there was internal vetting but there's it's being done at times by a private

investigator. and this is not someone who's like a member of congress where, you know their records are usually pretty exposed by the time they're a lawmaker he's a television host, obviously now a former veteran or a veteran and in that situation, i should note you know, when someone wins the presidency you sign these memorandums, memorandums of understanding with the current administration, these ethics agreements. that's how you start the fbi background check process. trump's team has still not signed any of those. i just confirmed that a few hours ago. so no one has gotten an fbi background check yet from my understanding. >> and john, what more do we know about these allegations? >> well, as far as the case, the police department in monterey acknowledges they received the report on a date between a specific time, which is about eight hours at a hotel but they also point out that they won't release the investigative file or the investigator's notes or analysis. but what we know is if police went there and they conducted a standard investigation for a similar

allegation, you would go to the place where they met and talked to witnesses there. if you could find one, you'd get receipts from the bar and see who had what you would exploit. whatever video there is in that hotel to see if you could trace them back to a room where this happened. they're not commenting that those steps were made. those would be normal. but i think the problem they're facing in this case is what prosecutors always face. and he said she said cases that happened behind closed doors, which is they have two distinct, different versions of what occurred and what was consent. and the prosecutor's office uh, probably came to the conclusion that they didn't have enough to sustain a conviction at trial to go forward. so that file is basically closed right now. >> and caitlin is there a chance he would pull his own nomination? >> it's not clear what i had heard from his his side of people that i spoke to him, that are close to him there was no intention as of yesterday these things can sometimes happen quickly, though, and we have seen nominees do this in the past where they've taken

themselves out of the running for something like this so i wouldn't say no. there's no indication so far that he plans to do so. and i also would say, you know, i talked to people today and i asked you is this something that the president elect is worried about? is he paying attention to this because he always attracts negative coverage of people around him. he's often his views of something are often shaped by whether coverage is good or bad. they said so far that he had not raised any issues or any concerns with with what's being reported, and there's this other incident at the time he was at the national guard and biden's inauguration, which he has spoken publicly about. what are the details john? >> i think that what you're talking about there is a symptom of this background investigation problem, which is private investigations even done rapidly by private firms will give you a dive into their internet background, a dive into maybe the the deep web dive into their social media. you can sit them down and interview them and ask them what's embarrassing that we

need to know about in your background, but what it's not going to touch on is things like, what are the defense department's records about a national guard incident? what are the classified holdings where somebody may have been picked up or recorded or referenced in a meeting with intelligence officers overseas that's going to become a big blind spot all right. >> john miller, thanks very much. kaitlan collins as well, caitlin is going to be back at the top of the hour of course, with the program, the source perspective now from matt mowers, who served in the first trump administration. cnn contributor and new york times journalist and podcast host, lulu garcia-navarro, and also cnn senior political commentator david axelrod. so, david, what do you make of caitlin's reporting about hegseth? and do you think this nomination will go forward interesting is like 24 hours ago, he seemed like of a bunch of very very stunning nominations. >> he seemed like the most likely to get through without a problem. and now he's leading the broadcast and i think, and,

you know, others may have a comment on this. trump is a guy who was found liable of sexual assault. so i'm not sure that it would that would disqualify him as a trump nominee. i don't think that's something that would disturb the president. the real question is how do the people who are supposed to provide advice and consent react to all of the stories, not just about hegseth but about bobby kennedy jr.? about the the other nominations, obviously, matt gaetz um, so you know, are they going to execute their responsibilities or are they going to and they're going to accept no fbi background check? are they going to accept not receiving the report about matt gaetz from the house ethics committee are they going to simply if they can't pass these nominees, are they going to step aside and let there be a

vote, a recess vote essentially, uh the the the the uncourageous way of bowing to trump's will. but he seems intent on just just blowing up the process here. and maybe he will with hegseth as well matt. i mean, is this something the trump transition team should have caught while vetting hegseth? >> um yeah well, you know usually what would happen in this case is you would ask questions about this, right? >> you get the full vetting documents, you ask questions of the potential nominees. i mean, these are certainly questions that will also be raised during a background investigation that will at some point have to be done. and whether it's done as part of the confirmation process or whether it's done to get a security clearance to go in those are questions that are going to have to be asked and really, right now it comes down to how does he answer these questions? i mean, what is his true side of the story and how effectively can he target his audience of essentially 50 people? i mean he has to get 50 individuals to agree that he's

qualified to go serve as secretary of defense and look based on what those who know him well have spoken to him and the things he's written. he certainly is smart and intelligent and capable. he's thought about military preparedness. he's thought about pentagon reforms in depth. he has a lot to offer but then they're going to have to ask questions about this in a way. and he's got to give an answer in a way that actually gives them some real comfort. >> yeah. lulu, i mean, as i've said before, you know, president-elect trump was found liable for sexual abuse in the jean carroll case. he's been accused by multiple women of sexual assault. um, do you think something like this would ever prompt, prompt trump to abandon his nominee? >> well i mean, how many sexual assault allegations can one cabinet have? i mean, you have a series of people basically having similar issues and frankly, the issue with hegseth in particular, obviously, this is an allegation there hasn't been any proof that this happened but he is going to be running the largest agency

which has a lot of females in its ranks. a lot of, you know, with with a large history of problems dealing with sexual assault within the military and so how is this going to play for the men and women that he would be leading? you know, all of this is just a bigger problem than can he get the nomination um, it is also about if he did get the nomination, what would that mean? how how then would some of these things be investigated how how would he be respected? i mean it is a much larger issue than simply the audience of 50. it is actually the audience of the, you know hundreds of thousands of people that work for the dod. >> david i mean, can you just explain how the vetting process traditionally works in a transition? i mean, is it something that hegseth should have told the trump team about, even if it didn't get flagged? i mean, would he be able to pass a get a security clearance well, all i can tell you is certainly at that level, even at the level that i was at as a

senior adviser to the president, you know, we were we were investigated and interviewed by the fbi and we were asked all kinds of questions and, uh, our past records would be examined and it would be a very thorough review, as it should be for the secretary of defense so that, you know but as i said earlier, the president elect seems to, uh, you know, like, like he sunders other norms. >> he is going he's centering this one and it really could come back and bite him. uh if, uh, if other things arise and if these people get, uh, nominated i just want to make one point, anderson. you know, people say i'm one who believes that presidents should get their picks within reason. but there is an advice and consent. >> uh for, uh, for a reason donald trump did not have a mandate to appoint people

simply on the basis of loyalty. there is broad consensus that matt gaetz isn't qualified by anything that he's done, and maybe not by character he's qualified because he is a stalwart trump supporter, and now he wants to install his whole legal defense team as the other senior officers of the justice department. these decisions tulsi gabbard no real experience in intelligence, just a lot of experience in spreading propaganda that vladimir putin has circulated there is this is all about loyalty to donald trump. and he thinks all of these agencies should agencies should respond to him. and not their responsibility to the public. and i think there's a real, uh, a really, really big liability here. this is a president who said he's running to make people safe. uh, and whether it's bobby kennedy at the health in the health department, gaetz and the justice department, tulsi gabbard who has, you know, in

intelligence this jeopardizes the american people and not having any screening of these candidates in a real way uh, is alarming to everyone. >> we're going to take a quick break. we're going to have more new details that broke just moments ago about about matt gaetz, the president elect's pick for attorney general, the house ethics committee was investigating allegations about him. now new reports. a woman told that committee that she saw gaetz have sex with a minor. plus, it might not be the fight of the century, but it is one for the ages. former heavyweight champ mike tyson, age 58, against jake paul, who is 31 years older or excuse me, younger. the big hype and the big money both men will earn ahead set your home ambiance? try airwick essential mist diffuser it's perfectly portable and glows with a fragrant mist. transform your space with airwick essential mist. >> why do nfl players choose a

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door testimony before the committee. he's now calling on the committee to release the report telling cnn, quote democracy demands transparency. just one catch. house speaker mike johnson wants to keep it under wraps, even though just yesterday he said off camera that he would not be playing a part in the matter. but that was yesterday. this was today i'm going to ethics committee not to hear the report because that is not the way we do things in the house. and i think that would be a terrible precedent to set. >> so he's saying it would be a terrible precedent to release this report. he's warning against it after a member steps down, but keeping them honest. the house ethics committee has done this before, most notably in a financial impropriety case for former tennessee congressman bill bonner, who left the house to become mayor of nashville and former ohio congressman donald buzz lukens, who was convicted of having sex with a minor now in the

former's case. in the former's case, the committee decided that the general policy of not releasing reports on former members was quote, outweighed by the responsibility of the committee to fully inform the public, and that was for a would-be city mayor, not the highest ranking law enforcement official in the land. back now with our panel. david, how much do you think or do you think this witnesses testimony to the house ethics committee? according to her attorney that she saw gates have sex with a minor, complicates what was already expected to be an uphill battle for for gates. >> well look, i think that the senate is going to demand to see that report. senator cornyn, a republican senior republican, has said he wants to see the report. he said that today. i think others will join him and it's going to be really hard to explain to the american people why the senators who are trying to judge whether this guy should be the top law enforcement official in the united states of america why information that

was gathered under by a bipartisan probe in the house should not be available to them doesn't have an fbi evaluation. doesn't this this report is being withheld from them. can you sneak him into the attorney general's office simply because he's willing to do whatever donald trump wants? i mean, this is really a test for the senate. in my view, the article one of the constitution is very clear. they have a responsibility to play here. and the question is whether their loyalty is to the constitution or whether it's to donald trump. >> lulu i mean, it is odd that speaker johnson is claiming that this would break precedent. releasing this report on matt gaetz. considering i mean, it's been done before. >> that's not why he changed his tune. he's obviously changed his tune because donald trump wants him to change his tune. and the fact of the matter is, is that speaker johnson actually doesn't have the final say on this. the committee does. they can choose to release the report if they so want you know, if they want

to. and, you know this is, again, one body of of of congress having to inform another body of congress so this isn't like to release it to the general public even or or to release it to the media, to satisfy them. it's actually because it will help the senate do their jobs. now, here we are at a moment when it is republican senators who are actually the only firewall for donald trump and i think what he's up to here is that he wants to really break congress early, as early as possible. we are ten days out of this election, and we are already in a sort of standoff with congress. you can only imagine what's going to happen when he gets into power. this is him trying to break it early so that when he gets there there really won't be anything to stop him. >> matt. if an attorney is coming forward and saying he

has these two clients who testified and this is what one client saw i mean, do you think this changes things? >> yeah yeah. i mean, i don't know if it changes anything because i think matt gaetz was going to have trouble getting confirmed even before these new revelations. i mean, we were just talking about pete hegseth. and, you know best, to my knowledge, no one has ever accused him of any of those things prior to this. and so he's going to be given a little bit of the benefit of the doubt to explain himself. compare that to matt gaetz who it's well documented what the ethics committee has been investigating, and every single senator has been following this for a number of years and i would expect that that report whether it gets leaked to the new york times or whether it gets sent to the senate in a formal request eventually is going to get to the senators here. and i'm not sure that he was even in a place anyway, that he'd be able to get to at least 50 votes given given how senators personally feel about matt gaetz because of his personality and antics in the house, let alone with all these allegations there, you know the the thing that's going to likely even cement this form is

just the drip drip, drip nature of the way that this information is coming out. the longer that his nomination sits out there, the more likely it is that more of these scandalous details go out, the more we hear about likely a lot of other eyewitnesses who are interviewed and it's just going to be problematic for him and problematic for the president. and so we'll have to see exactly how this goes down. but my hunch is that it does at some point, david, we mentioned cnn's reporting that trump allies are pushing for kash patel to be the fbi director. yeah. every president, as you said. i mean, you think most presidents should be able to get all the people around them who they want. so many of these nominees have previously expressed obviously open hostility for the very same departments that they would end up overseeing yeah. >> not to mention the fact that he has been in the forefront of saying he wants to weaponize the fbi to go after the president's political enemies, to go after reporters who who displease the president. uh, you know, uh what is very very

clear. and we've heard donald trump, uh baying about the criminal justice system, about the justice department, about the fbi. now for, uh, four years or five years, uh, and he is going to put he wants to put loyalists in there who will do what he wants. he thinks those agencies actually work for him. you know, i'm old enough to remember watergate and after watergate. uh the president ford called in a new attorney general, edward levy, to restore the public faith in that institution because it had been used for political purposes and now, in one fell swoop, this president wants to reverse 50 years of history and norms and return this these agencies to a very, very political footing. you know we'll see if he appoints, uh, we'll see if he appoints kash patel. uh but one thing on the on the, on the issue, apparently this nomination was cooked up on a flight from

florida to washington. uh, that is the that is the way he was nominated that he was on the plane. they all thought, well, this is a good idea. no background check, no thought to what this ethics uh, evaluation or ethics report would mean it's a crazy dangerous way to appoint one of the most important figures in the united states government. >> lulu members of president-elect trump's criminal defense team have also been tapped for top roles in the department of justice. i mean, in any other administration, this would be unusual. do you think they will fly under the radar with everyone? everyone is discussing, you know matt gaetz, tulsi gabbard robert f kennedy jr. yeah, i mean, this is the thing, right? you're flooding the zone and so the scrutiny that something like that would get if a different president were doing that or president elect were doing that. now it's sort of like, uh, you know um, where are you

going to actually target your ire? and this is the thing you might put up a matt gaetz to deflect from some of the other more problematic that would be otherwise problematic in a different administration. so this is the you know, this is the thing flooding the zone, making sure that there's just this constant chaos, constant feeling of of, you know displacement, so that ultimately he's going to get the cabinet that he wants that maori haka lulu garcia-navarro david axelrod, thanks so much. appreciate it. coming up time is money for rudy giuliani, who had to turn over luxury items like his watch collection today to comply with a nearly $150 million defamation case that he lost. we'll check in with our kara scannell to see if he met his court ordered deadline the globe to see how these new weight loss medications are transforming lives and disrupting the industry. >> these drugs are very effective, but they're not going to be for everyone. >> is ozempic right for you? >> tomorrow at 8 p.m. on cnn.

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>> com today. >> well, today was the deadline for the president elect's one time lawyer, rudy giuliani, to turn over. basically, his possessions, luxury items that he owns to comply with a nearly $150 million judgment that he lost last year to two georgia g election workers who he cruelly defamed. he was told last week by a judge that if he missed the deadline to turn over dozens of items, he could be held in contempt. his lawyers had argued that giuliani wanted to turn over the items he just didn't know how. joined now by kara scannell and by former federal prosecutor jeffrey toobin. what did giuliani need to turn over? and what did he do? did he? >> so today, he e was a list, a definitive list of things that he had to turn over among them. and these are the items he did turn over his 1980 mercedes. that was once owned by lauren bacall. about two dozen watches he had fedex to the women and he also turned over some bank accounts. now he has been in the process of transferring his manhattan apartment. that penthouse apartment, to the women. but today he has new lawyers, and they're saying they want the

refrigerator that was in that apartment back. so he's already looking for some kinds of loopholes to try to get some great about the refrigerator well, under the law, you're allowed to have certain assets that are personal items, and you can have a refrigerator. so he's saying he needs that refrigerator that was in that apartment. also, he was supposed to turn over a number of items that were in a personal storage unit in long island, including sports memorabilia using that same logic, he's saying that since he's allowed to keep apparel, he should be able to keep a signed joe dimaggio shirt. so we'll see what the judge thinks of all of this. so he's turned over some things, but he didn't turn over everything. >> and i mean, is there any chance that that that shaye moss and ruby freeman, who are the two women who, you know, were working, just doing their jobs, who he made incredibly defamatory statements about making all sorts of allegations. i mean, very unfairly will they ever receive all the money that was awarded to them? >> i mean, it's they're looking at the assets that he has. so,

i mean, it's it's thin gruel. it's like it's not exactly i mean, if he's arguing over a refrigerator, it's not like. >> right. i mean these assets are not that much. so to get to $150 million seems impossible. >> jeff, i mean do you think there's no way they're going to get this money? i mean, he doesn't have that money. >> not not not even close. but but, you know it's worth remembering a little of the history here. you know, we have a system in this country for people who can't pay their debts. and it's called bankruptcy. >> and it allows you to, you know save some personal items and and pay off what you can and just reorganize your finances and get back on your feet and giuliani originally declared bankruptcy, but but what he did was he tried to game the system. he wasn't fully candid with the bankruptcy judge. so the bankruptcy judge threw him out and said, you're not going to you can't declare bankruptcy if this is how you're going to behave so this is why judge lehman, who's in the federal

district court, is saying, look, you know, i'm just taking everything you have and that and that. and that's why we are where you are. it's incredible to me, jeff. >> i mean, he used to be the system and now and now, according to this judge, he's trying to game the system i know you're shocked, anderson. i mean, it's just pathetic is what it is. >> well i mean, the fall from grace of rudy giuliani is one of the amazing stories of the past two, two decades. >> i mean, you know, i don't have to remind people this was america's mayor after nine over 11. you know, this was a very serious candidate for president in 2008, leading in the polls and the collapse of his life as a result of his association with donald trump is so epic that it really dwarfs this is like a ten part max series. it's like it's like gomorrah, but the english version and rudy giuliani is

the lead and it is yeah. what kind of what kind of penalties did giuliani face if i mean, if he doesn't pony up. >> well, i mean, the judge said he would hold him in contempt unless he showed like a real effort to try to get assets that he couldn't turn over so for the man that was once the u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york and put many people in jail, he himself could end up in jail if he's found to be in contempt. >> i mean, jeff, do you think that is actually possible? >> oh definitely. >> if you listen to what judge lyman has been saying you know, lyman has had it with rudy. i mean he has had delay after delay. >> these ridiculous arguments about, you know i couldn't get into his own storage locker, and he delayed turning over the apartment i mean, i think he is this close from being locked up. now, he did turn stuff over today. >> um, as kara said. so he did start to cooperate. but if he continues playing games with this judge, he's going to be

locked up. absolutely. >> and kara lawyers who had been working with giuliani did they did they just quit? >> yeah. earlier this week, just two days ago, before this deadline, they said they wanted to withdraw from the case. and a lot of the reasons were blacked out in the document for the public to see. but they did reveal that it was under these professional ethics rules. and among one of those things is disagreement with the client and the client, not doing what they want them to do and actually, you know, being in disagreement wanting to do something that might not be compliant with the law. so earlier today, just a few hours ago giuliani said he has a new lawyer and now his new lawyer weighed in with the judge. >> all right. >> thanks very much, jeff toobin, as well. up next, robert f kennedy jr., the president elect's pick for health and human services, his position on fluoride in tap water and doctor sanjay gupta joins us to discuss the science. also, tonight's much hyped mike tyson. jake paul fight, featuring a one time heavyweight champ versus a social media star less than half his age. what we know

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neurodevelopmental disorders and thyroid disease. president trump and first lady melania trump want to make america healthy again. now fluoride, which local governments began adding to water supplies in 1945, is added in small quantities to help prevent cavities. the american academy of pediatrics at american dental association and cdc continue to support it, but recent studies have raised questions about the potential health risks and the degree to which fluoride is helpful. in september, a federal judge decided there is sufficient evidence to warrant the epa investigating. now, it's that court decision and the research, kennedy cited in an interview after trump's win last week i think fluoride is on the way out because that court decision, i think the faster that it goes out, the better. >> i'm not going to compel anybody to take it out, but i'm going to advise the water districts about their legal liability, their legal obligation to their service zones and to their constituents. and i'm going to i'm going to give them good

information about the science. and i think that that fluoride will disappear. >> joined now by our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. so what does the science say about fluoride in tap water? >> well, i think this may surprise some people because unlike vaccines and autism, for example, which has settled science this is still emerging. and i think that court case that you just referenced asking the epa to sort of reevaluate that has put a new spotlight on it. that's what rfk jr. is sort of alluding to there. so so what is interesting is that when you think about the two sides of this issue, the cdc on one hand saying, hey, look this is one of the greatest public health achievements of the 20th century. that's what they put on their website. and the reason they say so is because their data suggests that it has reduced cavities by about 25%. so pretty significant reduction. but on the other side of the argument is this idea that at certain doses, it could be a neurotoxin fluoride

so i want to take a look at this, this full screen here. and as you look at this, keep in mind something that we say in medicine all the time that the dose makes the poison okay. the dose makes the poison. so when you look at that what they're saying is with moderate confidence, fluoride exposure of more than 1.5mg/l is associated with lower iq in children with moderate confidence, there is very low confidence. there is low confidence. there's moderate. there is high. so, you know, the significant amount of confidence in the united states because the united states public health service, they recommend 0.7. so about half of that world health organization, incidentally, says right around 1.5 is the safety limit for them. so you can sort of see the concern here on one hand, you know, there's the the the evidence that it's reduced cavities on the other side is this evidence that at certain doses it can be with moderate confidence, a neurotoxin in some places around the country. anderson. the levels are higher

than this because fluoride is occurring naturally as well in the water. in addition to it sometimes being added into the water so in some places it can exceed those values. and i think that's the issue that he's really raising. >> and what are concerns if fluoride is removed from the water supply? >> well the big concern again from the cdc is and by the way, how hard would that also be? >> okay so with regard to the first question, what you'll hear from cdc and the american dental association and others would be that could this signal a return of cavities essentially reduced cavities by 25%. you take it out cavities are going to come back now, i will say that there's been a few places where they've done this study that people will often point to is one that came out of calgary in 2011. they removed fluoride for a lot of the same issues that we're talking about. this has been discussed for some time now. they decided to put it back in in 2021, ten years later, because they saw an increase in cavities. when we review the

data and cochrane has reviewed the data as well, what you find is that a lot of the studies done before 1975, the benefit is clear in terms of the benefit of water on the fluoridated water, on cavities. but after 1975, it's not as clear. and i think in large part it's because you started to have fluoride in the toothpaste and that started to make a significant impact overall on cavities. so you know, i think it's still a little bit hard to say exactly what the impact would be of taking it out by the way, taking it out often means in communities across the country not putting it in, as i mentioned, in some places it occurs naturally but what they're really talking about is not putting that fluoride in portland oregon. anderson, you may know, does not fluoridate their water. so there's already municipalities in this country that don't do it. it is a municipality issue, not a federal issue. so, you know, various communities decide for themselves. >> i also want to talk to you about your latest investigation into the weight loss and diabetes drugs. they're known

as glp one. you've spent the past year investigating them for for your newest documentary, what surprised you? >> yeah, i mean, this was fascinating. i got to tell you. i mean, one thing that surprised me was just how popular they have become. i mean these these medications, you know ozempic, for example, comes from novo nordisk out of out of denmark, outside of copenhagen. that company and now has a larger value than the entire country of denmark i mean, that just gives you some sense of just how quickly these medications took off. but one of the things that was really interesting to me, anderson, is when you think about obesity thinking about it as a disease of the brain, the idea that for some people, when they eat the hormones don't go to a part of the brain that tells them that they are full and as a result even when they're eating, they're already they get anxious if they think that there's not enough food around so the idea of thinking of obesity increasingly as a brain disease, much in the way that we thought about depression, you know, several

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anticipated return of former world heavyweight champion iron mike tyson to the boxing ring to take on jake paul. >> mike tyson is back fighting as a pro for the first time in almost two decades. this time, his opponent is a social media star turned boxer who is 31 years younger. more now on the two men who are going to face off from randi kaye ah ha ha oh, it's so cold. >> that's jake paul bathing in a bowl of cereal all part of what he calls the giant cereal bath. just one of the many stunts he recorded on his way to becoming an internet sensation paul started on the now defunct social platform known as vine, then moved to youtube. >> come on oh my working, it's working. his antics caught on and he became one of the highest paid youtube stars in the world. today, he

has more than 20 million followers on youtube and followers. he affectionately calls jake paulers. >> good morning jake paulers sweet by 2015, when he was a teenager, paul had caught the attention of the disney channel, which hired paul for a role in the series. >> bizaardvark about a couple of 12 year old best friends, paul was one of the main characters, but that didn't stop him from continuing to make his youtube videos and paul parted ways in 2007 17 after neighbors complained about his stunts and fires. he'd set at his house. one neighbor told a cnn affiliate that living next to paul was a living hell and a circus. after disney, paul continued his youtube skits. in this one, he pranked the tsa by trying to get a massive teddy bear through security ain't no one gonna stop me. eventually, boxing caught his attention. in

2018, he had his first amateur fight. then in 2020, he turned professional defeating a fellow youtuber in the first round that same year, paul beat retired professional basketball player nate robinson in the ring with a second round knockout hey, this is my house! >> like, what in 2020, at the height of the coronavirus pandemic, paul hosted a huge party at his home in calabasas, california. >> the city's mayor said party goers didn't follow social distancing guidelines paul had claimed that the pandemic was a hoax. that same year, the fbi raided paul's home after he'd been charged with criminal trespassing and unlawful assembly at an arizona mall. video showed him at the mall as it was being looted. paul denied any involvement, and the scottsdale arizona, police department dismissed the charges against him. now 27, paul has established himself as a boxer with a solid record. he's ten and one with seven career knockouts. he lives in poco, where he also trains his

fight against mike tyson, another chapter in the jake paul phenomenon i'm here to make $40 million and knock out a legend yes, you heard that right paul will be paid $40 million. for his part tyson, who retired in 2005, will make half that at their pre-fight weigh in a preview of what's to come oh, ladies and gentlemen, randi kaye joins us now. who's favored to win certainly betting on jake paul to win this. >> he has a 67% chance of beating mike tyson but mike tyson has the advantage of experience. if you look at this stat that we found today when jake paul was born in january 1997, mike tyson was already a 30 year old boxing champion. his record at the time was 45 and two, and he had 39 knockouts by the time jake paul was even born. anderson i think i'm going to be watching randi kaye thanks. the news continues right here on cnn