>> we felt the resistance at at one point. that mirrors tears to my eyes a little bit, but it also brings joy. most of the time when people get murals on the wall, they end up there after the fact but i'm here living today to see and knowing that this is a great thing and a great feeling to be here mr. johnson is now a pastor and founded an organization in south florida called community youth against violence. >> lorenzo johnson sr and arlington heights elementary school. >> i see you. if you see something or someone i should see, tell me. i'm at victor blackwell on socials, instagram, tiktok. and today, blue sky. and if you missed the conversation or story, check out cnn.com/vote victor blackwell. first of all, hyphens between each word. go there anytime and you can listen to our show as a podcast wherever you get your podcasts. thanks for joining me today. smerconish starts right now

>> i'm michael smerconish in philadelphia. i remember seeing the game for the first time as a young boy. it was in new york city, not far from times square. i was sure i could keep track of one card among three that were being shuffled on a cardboard box, and after all, a player seemed to be winning a lot of money. my dad told me to walk on that. it was a confidence game, a hustle sometimes played with shells instead of with cards. another childhood memory. an auction house on the atlantic city boardwalk. think paintings and antiques and jewelry. i was mesmerized. we watched but my parents never bid. next night we came back. we watched again. my dad asked, what do you notice? i said, the woman in the front row is back and still bidding, but never seems to win. it was the first time that i heard the words mark or shill. those childhood memories

flashed in my mind this week, watching the fallout from various nominees of president elect donald trump. each has been greeted with predictable praise and condemnation from the right and the left, and i can't help but wonder if it's not all part of the plan. did you notice that the appointments seem to get progressively more controversial? the first three were susie wiles chief of staff, then tom homan as border czar and elise stefanik as u.n. ambassador. some of the more recent ones more controversial pete hegseth as secretary of defense, matt gaetz as attorney general tulsi gabbard for director of national intelligence, robert f. kennedy jr. as secretary of health and human services. after the gabbard and gates nominations, but before kennedy, i tweeted this i said, i suspect kristi noem was thrilled when pete hegseth was selected, and now pete hegseth is thrilled to have matt gaetz and matt gaetz can't wait for robert f. kennedy jr. to be named. each

seemed to take heat off the one who came prior, and there's only so much bandwidth to keep track of them all somewhere in the middle was mike huckabee's naming as u.s. ambassador to israel. a cnn clip from 2017 quickly gained traction, where he said there's no such thing as a west bank, no such thing as a settlement, no such thing as an occupation. if that remains his view, it's the end of any serious discussion of a two state solution. as we know it. and in any other news cycle, that would be a big deal. but now it's already forgotten. with each successive appointment, the cards just kept getting moved around. attention spans were depleted and diverted. it became difficult to follow. the latest move it's worth noting that trump's nominations this time stand in marked contrast to his approach. in 2016. then they were more establishment, less controversial. yes, there were unconventional picks, including steve bannon as chief strategist neurosurgeon ben carson for hud, but he also initially surrounded himself

with rex tillerson, formerly the chair and ceo of exxon, as secretary of state general james mattis as secretary of defense general john kelly as secretary of homeland security, senator jeff sessions was tapped as ag, steve mnuchin, formerly a goldman sachs exec, was tapped as treasury secretary. this time it's different. noam pete hegseth, gaetz kennedy. president trump is inviting confrontation almost daring the senate to interrupt his moving of the cards. surely president trump knew that controversy would surround the naming of matt gaetz, and surely matt gaetz knew that his appointment will be a battle former speaker kevin mccarthy immediately said that everybody knows he'll never make it. maybe that, too, is part of the game. gaetz is the shiny object with his name no one is paying much attention to. kristi noem. as the secretary of homeland security, and he takes some of the heat away from the naming of robert f. kennedy, jr. as secretary of hhs and gaetz benefits, even if his bid fails. his naming gave

him cover to resign from the house, thwarting the release of the ethics probe that would have jeopardized his congressional career, not to mention any cabinet level appointment and trump just keeps moving the cards, knowing that if gates isn't the ag, he'll land in some other corner of maga world maybe he'll even take the seat. formerly held by pete hegseth. weekend mornings on the curvy couch and all along the way many watching the action will cry people they can't possibly allow this game to continue, and they'll do so with such vehemence that they'll actually increase the odds that it all succeeds, forgetting that these players intent on disruption are exactly what half the country was hoping and voting for a rejection of the norms and the status quo. so be careful of not repeating the mistakes in the build up to the election, thinking that because some observers are whipped up about the entire lot, so too must be the public at large.

>> i want to know what you think. go to my website. it's mercatus.com. answer. today's poll question. so who stands the best chance of actually serving in the role for which the president elect has nominated them? is it matt gaetz? pete hegseth or robert f kennedy jr.. give you the results later. joining me now is jessica levinson. constitutional law professor at loyola law school professor, welcome back. i want to do recess appointments for dummies i'm the dummy in chief. what is the historical purpose of this power? >> i don't accept the assumption behind the question because i agree with your thesis, and i don't think you're a dummy here i think that what we see is laying out really a cascade of appointments where each does take the heat off the other. but to answer your question, let's go back to the late 1700s. we're just ratifying the constitution and we need to make sure that the government can run, that we don't have these huge vacancies when washington is not in session, when the senate and the house

are not in session, which happens quite frequently at the time. and so the constitution being, i think, a brilliant and maddening document says, okay, let's give the president that power to make sure that we can keep running not to make sure that we can game the system and deprive fact, constitutional duty to give advice and consent and of course, back then everybody was on a horse more recently, according to the congressional research service president clinton used 139 recess appointments president george w. >> bush won 71. and then something happens on president obama's watch. it goes to 32. and there's then a scotus case. what was the outcome in lay terms of that? >> so the scotus case comes in 2014. one thing to highlight, just in terms of the context of our conversation here is that those appointments, while there were many, were not the cabinet level positions that you and i are talking about today, they

were lower level positions in terms of what happens in 2014. the supreme court, really, for the first time, looks at the appointment clause and says, okay, what's required here? and what they say is what's required is at least a ten day recess not 48 hours, but at least ten days. what they also say is that the vacancy can occur before the actual recess. but that requirement that there be a real ten day essentially shut down is what leads to that drop in part. in part, there are other factors in terms of whether or not the president and the senate are from the same party so john thune becomes arguably the most important person beyond president trump in this dynamic as the new elected senate majority leader, how much power rests in his hands? what can he do or not do relative to adjournment arguably the most important. comes to adjournment, you need both the house and the senate

to say yes. okay, so this house actually, while they don't have any role when it comes to, as you know, advice and consent for nominees, they do have a role to say in terms of dragging their feet and saying, no, we won't adjourn now, that is a political question but then i will say there's this never used provision of the constitution when there is a disagreement between the senate and the house about adjournment in, quote extraordinary circumstances, then the president can essentially pull a safety valve and say, you're in recess we've never used it before. i have a feeling that the supreme court would have something to say about it. but there is this other constitutional provision that's kind of lurking in the background okay. thank you for playing along. wipe the slate clean big picture. where do you think this is headed? >> big picture i tend to agree with your initial assessment about matt gaetz or one of the potential assessments here that

the win is the nomination not actually getting it because it avoids the house committee. the ethics committee providing there potentially report to the public in terms of whether this goes anywhere for recess appointments this is a big test of the senate and whether or not they will acquiesce to, frankly everything that president trump wants. and if they do and if the house does, then it becomes a big test of the judiciary, right? because this is what we're going to be talking about for the next four years. what about the other branches? are they holding? and so i don't have big predictions here. other than i don't think this supreme court wants to erase the senate's constitutional duty to provide advice and consent. we really need to keep our eyes on the difference between conservative political ideology so either it gets worked out as between president elect trump and senate leader thune, or

perhaps it's headed for litigation that sounds like the bottom line yeah, that sounds like the bottom line. i think that's right. in the sense of if they try to use these recess appointments in a way that i think the constitution doesn't envision in a way that i think in fact undermines what the constitution's vision is, as you know which is to share power to make sure that the president does not become a king. think of what we were coming from. we were coming from england, where we wanted to have something completely different. the dispersal of power, because too much power in any one place we thought was scary and could corrupt. and so we have to look at what happens to our branches now. and if, in fact, the senate acquiesces again, i do think there will be litigation in that the federal judiciary holds on this question. this is a question of constitutional interpretation. having said all of this, this could all be something to get us to talk about. oh my god, what if he uses the you know, what if he tries to use recess

appointments? he walks it back and we say, oh, look, he's being very reasonable the cards just continue to be moved. >> thank you professor, that was excellent. i appreciate it up on social media. i'll read some throughout the course of the program. from the world of x, formerly known as twitter. none of them are qualified. i guess. you think this is a game michael? cat lady lover, i disagree with you. i'm not here to say that the whole lot is unqualified. unqualified in comparison to what? take a look at the last several cabinets and those surrounding the president. i think there are plenty of credentials among these folks. you're missing my point. my point is that we're putting all of our attention on a few, and consequently the level of circumspection investigation on the lot is declining. that's what i was trying to say. i want to know what you think. go to my website. it's mercatus.com and answer today's poll question. this is going to be interesting. so who stands the

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it's not going to be building concentration camps. i've read it all. it's ridiculous. >> last week, a caravan of 3000 migrants traveling through mexico to reach the u.s. southern border shrunk in half after hearing that president-elect trump had clinched the white house. trump will likely reinstate border policies from his first term, like remain in mexico which meant migrants claiming asylum in the u.s. will have to wait in mexico while their cases are being processed. joining me now is carlos trujillo, a cuban american senior advisor to the trump campaign one of trump's principal latino surrogates, former u.s. ambassador to the organization of american states. ambassador, welcome back which is it going to be targeted arrests, which is what i think i heard from tom homan or mass deportation as the president elect spoke of during the course of the campaign good morning and thank you for having me. >> i don't think they're mutually exclusive. when you're looking at just a targeted arrest. population is over 600,000 people. i would say that's a massive amount of people who are in this country

now who either had law enforcement contacts or have already been fully adjudicated through the immigration process and have not been removed from the country. >> tom homan was a guest of don jr. on a podcast. i want to show you and everybody else a clip and then i'll ask about it. roll that. >> how much will you be able to improve the life of everyday americans? >> shock and awe shock and all. >> i love it. >> you're going to see. you're going to see look like i said before, it isn't just about the deportation operation. it isn't just about saving the children and about securing the border. what's the result? less overdose deaths less sex trafficking for god's sakes. one of the worst crimes around. less migrants dying shock and awe. >> sounds to me like mass deportation. i can tell you, ambassador that when i've entertained phone calls from those who voted for donald trump on this issue, they tell me they'll be disappointed if there's not something that they

regard as a mass deportation effort well i would agree. >> there's 10 million people that have entered this country illegally over the biden-harris administration. um, the starting of just the 600,000 of criminal illegal contact i think is very, very significant. but i think one thing that has to be clear, it's going to be done in a thoughtful, strategic manner. um, if you've heard news reports on we're just going to raid public schools and pick up children and send them back to their country of origin, i think the administration has made it abundantly clear that that is not the case. we're talking about people who've entered the country illegally, who have been adjudicated through the process, who have had law enforcement contacts. that means they've either been arrested in this country or in their previous country of origin. those are the first people that need to be removed from this country, not only for the safety of them, but also for the safety of all americans who have to live in this country okay, a practical question, maybe a naive question but how do you know who they are and where they're located? >> who has the list what is the list? and which arm of the

government is going to be charged with this responsibility well, you have a lot of them who have had the ones who have had law enforcement contacts have either gone through the prison system or the county jail system they have biometrics, they have fingerprints, they have additional law enforcement contacts. >> right. so this is you're driving without a license you get driving, you get arrested for driving while intoxicated or some other offense. those people are well known because of the biometrics. those are the easiest ones to identify and illegally. and remove from this country. you also have people that are currently with ice detainers, or people who have spent time in either a prison or a jail. they're about to be. their time is about to be completed. those are the easiest ones to go to. the prison or go to the jail. um, pick them up and send them back to their country of origin that population of itself is hundreds of thousands of people. >> mr. ambassador, what about the short order cook in jersey city who came into the country illegally but has kept his nose clean, may have a new jersey

driver's license somebody coming for him well, i think the priority as as mr. homan has said, and i think as president trump has said on multiple occasions, we have to remove, remove people from this country who pose a threat to the safety and security of the american people and just that population in and of itself is very, very, very significant. >> i think what's even as important as the removals of people who are in this country legally committing crimes, it's also the border security if you notice in your earlier you said the deterrent effect of just president trump getting elected a caravan of 3000 people invading our country was cut in half. and i think there's a strong deterrent effect of strong leadership as we've seen with president trump. but more importantly, securing that southern border so that people know that we mean business. we want to keep our country safe we want to keep drugs and guns and country i agree with you, tone seems to matter. >> i mean, the very prospect of donald trump returning to the white house seems already to have had a deterrent effect. what about the most fraught, perhaps circumstance of all?

someone who's a citizen because they were born here, but born to parents who are not legal citizens of the united states the family issue. will you speak to that well, those parents, um, obviously it's a case by case basis, assuming they're hard working people, that they live within the law, their children can claim them through the legal asylum process and legalize their status in this country. >> there are courts who will adjudicate that status, but there are also some of those parents who came into this country illegally and unfortunately, have not made the best decisions. their cases will be treated much differently. i think it's very difficult to paint everyone with a broad brush as we look at these immigration cases. a claim for asylum is that you're in fear for your safety and your life in your country of origin. >> uh ru wares claim that has to be adjudicated and proved through our court system. >> just a final observation or comment i hear from so many small business people in my orbit, those who call my radio program, who tell me they can't keep a workforce particularly for those jobs that are most requiring of of

manual labor. if those are still terms that i can use, we need to have an orderly flow of immigration, or we're going to really suffer in the economy. right i completely agree. we this country issues 1 million green cards a year. we have a one program that allows people to come into this country legally and pay taxes in an orderly manner and return. president trump has said both of those programs are obviously exceptional for legal migration we should work on expanding those programs so that when people come into this country, they pay taxes, they apply the law, and they have a dignified way to return to their country of origin. >> ambassador trujillo, let me put up social media comment on the screen. i might lean on you to answer it. i have no idea what's coming but here it goes. why is it such a problem to deport the worst of the worst, which is probably close to a million first? and then. is that a million? yeah, i think they left off a zero. and then work your way down to people who didn't show up for court appearances or had been deemed not to be allowed in the

country, which is probably another couple of million in other words, start at the top with the quote, unquote worst of the worst and work your way down. i think you'd agree with that person. that's pretty much what you told me i think it's a very reasonable strategy. >> if you were not to appear at a court appearance for a criminal infraction, either the u.s. marshals, if it's a federal court or your local police department, would come and pick you up on an arrest warrant. the same rules don't apply to people who enter this country illegally and don't appear before the immigration tribunals yeah, i'm not sure that local law enforcement is is eager and prepared to accept the responsibility if they're going to be on the front line of this well i think we have to define what the responsibility is. if they have a criminal law enforcement contact, a domestic violence situation, they remove the person from that home. they find out that person is illegal in this country. it makes not only that neighborhood, but the entire society a lot safer to remove them. i don't think they're doing unannounced raids. they're not walking your residential neighborhood and

just kicking open doors and pulling out people. so i think we have to really define what their role is and their role is people who've had law enforcement contacts for committing crimes in this country, i think, are the most likely to be deported. >> thank you for coming back. appreciate your expertise thank you for having me. i want to remind everybody go to my thank you i want to remind everybody go to my website. it's dot com. answer today's poll question. can't wait to see the the response to this. who stands the best chance. the best chance of actually serving in the role for which president-elect trump has nominated them? is it matt gaetz pete hegseth, or robert f kennedy jr.? still to come, your social media reaction to my opening commentary and 20 years ago, thomas frank wrote what's the matter with kansas? he warned that us culture wars were pushing working class people toward more conservative movements. so how does he interpret the recent election? be sure to sign up for my free newsletter when you're voting on the poll question. rob rogers drew this for us

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it's a three card monte experience we're all trying to follow the movements and losing track of the card or in the shell game of the pebble or the pea or whatever it is. that's that's under the shell. we're distracted and the tell for me that it was all according to plan, because oftentimes i think people look at president trump and think it's all seat of the pants and organic. the tell for me was the progression of controversy. like, why wasn't bobby the first pick instead of susie wiles? why wasn't it robert f. kennedy jr. announced for hhs? why was there the build? you know, you went from susie wiles to mike huckabee, governor huckabee, and then you went to kristi noem, governor noem, and then, you know you get to pete hegseth and you get to matt gaetz, and you get to robert f. kennedy, and we're already losing track of all the prior cards more social media reaction. what else do we have that's come in during the course of the program are we pretending the senate won't

give him anything he wants? i think what can they afford to lose three by this count him if john thune, who doesn't strike me, but i don't know a great deal about him as as a guy who's going to roll over for the president in this regard but it needs to be said clearly if the senate gives president trump all that, he wants and is willing to confirm each of these appointees, then i didn't need to have the conversation with professor levinson. but i don't think that's the way that it's going to go. i think there's going to be some resistance. murkowski collins. one more. that's all it would take another social media reaction if i have time will nome bring her dog with her when she moves to dc? the answer is she will not bring the dog nor will she bring the goat still to come, democratic leaders and pundits are playing the blame game following a gop trifecta win in the new york times, thomas frank wrote, the elites had it coming. what did he mean by that? he joins me

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published his best selling book. what's the matter with kansas? where he attempted to explain why many white working class voters in kansas were drifting toward more conservative movements and leaders. he was ahead of his time calling out the rise of culture wars as one reason for the alienation of voters. now he has more to say about the recent election. in a recent essay published in the new york times opinion page under the headline, the elites had it coming. thomas frank joins me now. he's also the author of listen, liberal or whatever happened to the party of the people. >> so you had an epiphany moment, something you wrote about where you realized, hey trump could actually win this election what was it? >> well, first of all, hey, michael, it's great to see you again. it was. thank you. you know, it was just i was at the the national portrait gallery here in washington, d.c., actually not very far from where i'm sitting right now. and i noticed a, you know, a bit of sort of left wing academic jargon in the caption

explaining, you know, an old painting from the 19th century and it's, you know, the presence of this kind of jargon always strikes people as, as scolding from the top down, you know, and it's just it's everywhere around us. it's you know, the culture wars are they sort of assault us from all sides, you know, as you walk around the city. in other words, you're you're looking at a painting and they want you to know that this painting is depicting colonialism. yeah, yeah, yeah. settler colonialism. i believe, was the term. it's a, you know, it's a kind of, you know, it's an academic buzzword. and you know, i don't want to i don't want to place too much emphasis on this. it's more it's a symptom of this, of this, you know, this broader phenomenon correctness around us every day, all the time. and it makes a lot of people feel real uncomfortable. but, you know, this is the you know, the culture wars are, are, are everywhere now. and i think it's to the democrats. and by

the way kamala harris did not, you know, wasn't a like you know, she wasn't really all in on identity but it doesn't really matter because there's this, there's this other liberalism that's around us all the time that sort of constantly forcing this stuff on us so last weekend here, i delivered a postmortem commentary and i gave a similar example, my own, which was the yard sign that said harris-walz obviously. >> and there was there was a level of of of browbeating that i saw in that. and by the way, you you see some precedent in fdr in the 30s in a reelection campaign of his what am i making reference to? yes. you're talking about the fdr's reelection campaign in 1936. and what what what happened was the you know, in 1932, nobody really knew what to expect from franklin roosevelt. the economy was, you know, deep in the great depression, et cetera. but by

1936, he had everybody knew what he was about. it was the new deal. he had rolled out this like this amazing series of reforms and the the press in america, which at the time was, you know, reflected the views of the what you would call the the business elite, the press turned massively against franklin roosevelt, and he was denounced from coast to coast in a, you know overwhelming majority of the news media. and and it backfired. okay. so he won in 1936, one of the greatest landslide victories in american history and in the aftermath of that, you know, they're doing the autopsy. what went wrong? how how did we fail to stop franklin roosevelt? people said, you know what you know, this this we had this incredible, overwhelming media attack on roosevelt. and it completely failed. why is that? and one of the reasons is that people really you know, they kind of hate their local newspaper. they love it, but they also hate it at the same time. and

it's a lesson that's been completely forgotten that media unanimity is not necessarily, you know, is not necessarily the path to victory. >> right people, the way i've said it is that people wanted to be free in this instance to make a decision about rejecting him trump on their own. here's a graph from the essay that you just published put it up on the screen. katharine. working people were once the heart and soul of left wing parties all over the world it may seem like a distant memory, but not long ago the left was not a movement of college professors bankers or high ranking officers. at uber or amazon working people. that's what parties of the left were largely about the same folks who just expressed such remarkable support for trump, to which i would add, thomas frank, you were largely writing about republicans 20 years ago. yeah, but what we've now seen is that democrats are doing the same thing. explain that. yeah. >> well, the democratic party decided. and so this is the

story of listen, liberal, by the way it's a it's a history of how the democratic party decided to abandon working class people and that sounds really cynical, michael, but i'm here to tell you, they did it in the open. i'm not reading between the lines. they gave speeches about this. they wrote manifestos about this they came up with all of these terms of endearment for the you know, white collar professional elite that they wanted to be their new constituent group. you know, they called them the learning class. they called them the wired workers. they called them the creative class. and they they did enormous favors for this class at the expense of working people. you'll recall, of course nafta, all the trade agreements from the 1990s. but then you think of all the bank deregulations in the in the 90s, you think of the bank bailouts under president obama and the and the by contrast, the, you know the just the tiny, you know, crumbs that he delivered for people who were on the receiving end of the

great recession and all of these things, you know, in addition to the culture wars these things are remembered and these things, you know, they accumulate and you had jd vance at the republican convention actually still, you know talking about these things. people are still bitter about these things social media reaction stick around for a moment because maybe we'll we'll answer together. >> katherine, can you put something up on the screen and i can when you cater to hollywood, says goody for you, when you cater to hollywood, the elites in this country and identity politics, this is now a proven losing agenda. $1 billion on identity politics and hollywood. go figure. thomas, i would add to that. for me, it was a replay of the 2016. i remember the final rally in 2016 for secretary clinton, because you had bon jovi, you had the boss, you had the obamas, you had the clintons and tens of thousands of people. and then kamala harris the campaign on the eve of this election, back in

philadelphia, with all the latest headliners speak to that quickly. >> so can i just i just want to to, to to point out there that you know, the democratic party has a very proud history of, you know, doing wonderful things on you know, on. well, we think of the civil rights movement in the 1960s, the various civil rights acts under president johnson and they've done many, many wonderful and powerful things since then but what we're talking about here with, with, you know, in the last few years is a very different form of identity politics, where it's all about, you know subtracting people from your coalition, about scolding people about kicking people out. and i'm just here to tell you that you can't build a mass movement by, you know, constantly excommunicating people and constantly throwing people out because they're not, you know, they're not good enough and they're not pure enough and they're not correct enough. and, you know there was this time especially, you look at something like twitter four years ago or three years ago or whatever, that's that's that's how it worked. that's

what it was all about. these like incredible dog piles, you know, these these uh, you know, these mass campaigns. you know what i'm talking about. and, and that's not how you build a social movement that's like that's the opposite of what you're supposed. >> can i say, can i say it in my own terms? if you cancel everybody or every group, there's nobody left. thomas. frank, thank you for being back. the book. the book stands the test of time. go read it again. what's the matter with kansas? thank you. thank you you still have time to vote on today's poll question. com who stands the best chance i suspect this is going to be like a two person horse race. that's my gut. i haven't peaked who's got the best shot of actually serving in the role for which donald trump has nominated them? gaetz hegseth kennedy >> saturdays this fall, cnn is taking a break from breaking news to air. have i got news for you breaking news. >> i'm getting a sandwich. we

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going to get out of it together. that's what muesli did for me >> there's the results. so far. who stands the best chance of actually serving in the role for which president-elect trump has nominated them? we're just about third, actually. we're beyond 30,000 votes now. pete hegseth interesting. edging out rfk jr. gaetz a distant third. okay, here's here's a question. what if robert f. kennedy jr. had been the first the first name put forth would we have a different answer? because that kind of comports with my whole theory in terms of the three card monte style

of rolling this out. if bobby had been among the first put forth, i think then maybe the results of this would be different. of course i could be wrong, but i think there's a i think there's a plan in the way they're doing this more social media reaction. don't forget to follow me on x, formerly known as twitter. why does it sound like you are applauding trump's latest as well as well played chess move as oh as a well played chess move. sadie mae i'm an observer. i'm an observer. i mean, you can you can watch. somebody else will just be a crank about each and every one of these. i'm trying to tell you, i'm giving you added benefit. i'm telling you, there's a method to this, which is something i'll bet sadie mae that you were missing. instead, just having your hair on fire and clutching pearls over oh, my god, each one is worse than the other and i've taken you behind the scenes now to to explain how they're getting it done. maybe i'm wrong. here's some more social media reaction

card monte. as the old saying goes if you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with your trump is the master at bs there's a good piece in the new york times today just talking about what's going on behind the scenes. based at mar-a-lago with regard to each one of these, um, they do seem rather organic. that's a kind word, at least in some circumstances. he just wants to control the news cycle from one day to the other. that's something that we've learned. there's no such thing as bad publicity. according to the president elect. we've learned that next. what else do we have? >> i love this love moving quickly. i voted pete hegseth, but i think in the hegseth meaning best chance of serving but in the end they all make it because gop senators will be unwilling to buck trump publicly interesting. it's one thing to sink, rick scott behind closed doors. i knew that was coming. by the way, as soon as as soon as i learned that it was a confidential vote, i knew that scott had no

shot. but these confirmation fights will be out in the open and likely live on cnn. so hegseth most likely says luke but they all make it now. i don't think so. i don't think so. i think it's part of the plan and you know who i think knows that he's in jeopardy and knew it before he was nominated is gates, but he's willing to take the hit because it did something to elevate his stature in maga world. i'll see you next week at eight on cnn i wish my tv provider let me choose what i pay for i wish what i pay for and let me pause my subscription when i want. choosing customize your channel lineup or watch for free. sling lets you do that. >> some days you can feel like a spectator in your own life with chronic migraine, 15 or more headache days a month each lasting four hours or more. botox prevents headaches in adults with chronic migraine before they start and treatment

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